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Army to Test ‘Game Changing’ Gun in Combat
military.com ^ | May 06, 2010 | Greg Grant

Posted on 05/08/2010 12:54:28 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

ABERDEEN TEST CENTER, Md. -- The Army is set to send its high-tech "counter defilade" weapon to the war zone in the next few months, the first real-world deployment for the much-anticipated XM-25 Individual Airburst Weapon.

Officials announced May 5 that a group of Army Special Forces Soldiers will take the weapon with them to Afghanistan sometime this summer.

During live-fire demo here, Soldiers shot the Heckler & Koch-made XM-25's high-explosive rounds through the window of a simulated building, showering "enemy" mannequins inside with lethal metal fragments.

Afghanistan veterans who fired the weapon for the first time this week predicted it would be a "game changing" weapon, a gun that can engage Taliban insurgents using distant ridge-tops, thick mud walls and tree lines as cover.

(Excerpt) Read more at military.com ...


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1 posted on 05/08/2010 12:54:28 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

When will the civilian model be available?


2 posted on 05/08/2010 12:55:56 PM PDT by rahbert (Only a poor snake charmer blames his snake..)
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To: Nailbiter; IncPen

ping


3 posted on 05/08/2010 12:56:59 PM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Yeah...just wait ‘til the IRS and ATFE get their hands on these....


4 posted on 05/08/2010 12:57:46 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

“Yeah...just wait ‘til the IRS and ATFE get their hands on these....”

But there are still a HELL of a lot more of US than of THEM!!


5 posted on 05/08/2010 12:59:06 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Game changing I guess as long as the laser can be used effectively but they have limitations. How is this more effective than a simple grenade launcher?


6 posted on 05/08/2010 12:59:31 PM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Too bad they’ll NEVER get authorization to actually use these in combat. You can’t shoot into a dwelling! There could be Afghani Girl Scouts in there!


7 posted on 05/08/2010 1:00:07 PM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

3” 12 ga shells to be available?


8 posted on 05/08/2010 1:00:30 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: rahbert

A bit too extreme for home defense;)


9 posted on 05/08/2010 1:00:55 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: saganite

Exactly!


10 posted on 05/08/2010 1:01:26 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Paul Ryan/Greg Abbott in 2012.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Can this shoot the same rounds as the Bradley?


11 posted on 05/08/2010 1:03:15 PM PDT by DCmarcher-976453 (SARAH PALIN 2012)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

A grenade launcher, or a bazooka round is just as effective and a LOT LESS MONEY!


12 posted on 05/08/2010 1:05:31 PM PDT by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !)
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To: saganite

The difference is in the precision. The charge is programmed precisely when to go off, thus when firing at a target behind said ‘mud wall,’ it will only explode after it has passed the wall. Direct and extremely effective artillary fire.


13 posted on 05/08/2010 1:05:42 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Slow to anger but terrible in vengence...such is the character of the American people.)
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To: thefactor; Berlin_Freeper
Mr. Obama: “Sorry guys, we overspent on Nancy Pelosi’s jet fuel bill this year, here are your blunderbusses instead. Good luck!”
14 posted on 05/08/2010 1:07:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't care if he was born in a manger on July 4th! A "Natural Born" citizen requires two US parents!)
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To: Sudetenland

This will save our guys a lot of time and looks easy to carry around.


15 posted on 05/08/2010 1:07:28 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (It Matters Not What You Fight But What You Fight For.)
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To: rahbert
When will the civilian model be available?

ha ha ha - never; however, your local police will no doubt be armed with them sooner or later. Gotta keep those violent tea partiers in line.

16 posted on 05/08/2010 1:07:31 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: DCmarcher-976453
Can this shoot the same rounds as the Bradley?

If you want to shatter the shooter's shoulder with recoil.

17 posted on 05/08/2010 1:08:52 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: saganite
How is this more effective than a simple grenade launcher?

Well for starters it's accurate to 700 meters. It's also programmable to explode overhead or behind the target. The $25,000 price tag might discourage the average 'hunter' in your neighborhood for having one, but for the troops in the sandbox it just might fill the bill.

P.S. If we could get a collection going, I might be able to find a spot in my gunsafe for one. (I live in a great neighborhood. I'd like to keep it that way.)

18 posted on 05/08/2010 1:11:53 PM PDT by Wingy (Don't blame me. I voted for the chick. I hope to do so again.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
This thread has just added to the FreeRepublic "bang list" (firearms interest list) by adding the keyword "banglist".

Any time a firearms-related thread is created on FreeRepublic, please be sure to add the "banglist" keyword to it so that interested FReepers don't miss it. Just a suggestion.

Let Freedom Ring,

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19 posted on 05/08/2010 1:13:33 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Oldpuppymax

“Yeah...just wait ‘til the IRS and ATFE get their hands on these....”

They will otherwise become known as “The XM-25 Supply Stores” as that’s what will happen to them.


20 posted on 05/08/2010 1:18:38 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: from occupied ga

I wouldn’t mind a few AA-12 automatic shotguns.


21 posted on 05/08/2010 1:19:30 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: All

I want to be the first to nickname this gun right now !

the SHRAP-GUN


22 posted on 05/08/2010 1:26:14 PM PDT by uncle fenders
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To: Joe 6-pack

Forget the IRS and ATFE! Wait til the Postal Service gets them. You haven’t been sending first class mail by a private service have you? Just to be safe, put on some extra stamps next time.


23 posted on 05/08/2010 1:26:46 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Lookie, a Third Armored Carnival sandwich......with a badass gun.


24 posted on 05/08/2010 1:26:54 PM PDT by Feckless (Don't care where he was born. The oath I took said "...against all enemies, foreign and domestic".)
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To: thefactor

>> There could be Afghani Girl Scouts in there!

Those “Camel Drops” are my favorite cookie! Can’t get enough of ‘em.


25 posted on 05/08/2010 1:27:30 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Yeah...just wait ‘til the IRS and ATF Obama's "Domestic Security Force, just as well equipped and powerful as the military"..... get their hands on these.
26 posted on 05/08/2010 1:29:36 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Soon to be standard issue for IRS agents charged with enforcing the Obamacare requirement to purchase health insurance, OR ELSE.


27 posted on 05/08/2010 1:31:09 PM PDT by Random Access
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To: Berlin_Freeper

The first ammunition in use in the XM-25 is a 25mm high-explosive airburst round.
28 posted on 05/08/2010 1:33:13 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (It Matters Not What You Fight But What You Fight For.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
I wouldn’t mind a few AA-12 automatic shotguns.

There is a whole list of stuff that I'd like (claymores are effective in keeping organized gang assaults from being completely effective), but the government reserves for it's protectors.

29 posted on 05/08/2010 1:33:18 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: saganite

Conventional grenade launchers’ projectiles are usually impact fused and often cannot be used against people hiding behind walls due to angles and ranges. The ones that are time fused are often difficult to set so they’ll go off at the appropriate range.

This thing takes the guesswork out of the equation.


30 posted on 05/08/2010 1:39:42 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

This screen grab from a high-speed camera shows the round detonating just inside a window target.
31 posted on 05/08/2010 1:41:01 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (It Matters Not What You Fight But What You Fight For.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Exactly so. An impact fused round might have gone off upon contact with the window, wasting most of the power and shrapnel of the explosion outside. This one goes inside and gets the SOB who fired and ducked back, hugging the wall and thinking he was safe.


32 posted on 05/08/2010 1:43:20 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: thefactor

Or some “moderate Tah-lee-bahn.”


33 posted on 05/08/2010 1:43:56 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
I understand the ACLU has already filed a suit to prohibit our Army from using it. "Too lethal," or some such nonsense. Like what they did in outlawing the very effective Active Denial System, which uses microwaves to make the enemy feel like they are on fire with no physical damage at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System

34 posted on 05/08/2010 1:46:24 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: Spktyr

I see your point.


35 posted on 05/08/2010 1:47:32 PM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: thefactor

“During live-fire demo here, Soldiers shot the Heckler & Koch-made XM-25’s high-explosive rounds through the window of a simulated building, showering “enemy” mannequins inside with lethal metal fragments.”

Wait, some do gooder at Defense at the Whitey House will recommend these weapons never be used. Why? Because the use of the weapon would be unfair advantage to the U.S. — our enemy has not such weapon and it would, therefore, be an unequal playing field.


36 posted on 05/08/2010 1:53:22 PM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: pabianice
I understand the ACLU has already filed a suit to prohibit our Army from using it. "Too lethal," or some such nonsense.

Proof please. I call BS on that precise statement (highlighted above).

37 posted on 05/08/2010 2:12:53 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: spetznaz

When TSHTF “trading up” policy goes into effect.


38 posted on 05/08/2010 2:18:14 PM PDT by trickyricky
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I like the bullpup design. Should be quite devastating in urban combat.


39 posted on 05/08/2010 2:35:28 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Now if Obama will just let our war fighters use these guns, we’d be making progress much faster.


40 posted on 05/08/2010 2:37:08 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Twenty for so pounds of gun and fairly simple to defeat if in a prepared positon. Probably not a lot of advantage in close or long range mobile engagements.


41 posted on 05/08/2010 2:43:36 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Whoa. . .”Game Changing” weapon, as commonly referenced within the MAJOCOMs and Pentagon, is usually and most always associated with laser (Directed Energy) weapons.

Darn, imagine my disappointment that the game changing weapon isn't a Star Trek phaser. . . .

42 posted on 05/08/2010 2:46:50 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hulka

I think it’s a game ender.


43 posted on 05/08/2010 3:40:47 PM PDT by appeal2 (Don't steal, the government hates competition.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f6/Ghjkl.JPG/250px-Ghjkl.JPG

That could make it easier to get our hands on them when Civil War II happens, actually.


44 posted on 05/08/2010 5:34:19 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: TCH
bazooka round....

Ummmm do you know how long it's been since the Bazooka round actually saw combat? Like maybe the Korean War. It's since been replaced by the 90mm recoiless rifle (which was in my active duty unit -- the last unit in the army to have those) and then later replaced by a generation of fire and dispose rockets like the LAAW series and later the VIPER and who knows what else by now. If the technology is reliable under combat conditions then any expense is worth it!

45 posted on 05/08/2010 6:00:00 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: saganite

It’s better than a grenade launcher because you can precisely control the range at which the grenade explodes in flight rather than waiting for it to hit something.

If a bad guy is behind a wall, you laze the wall and get the range. Then you shoot over the wall and the grenade explodes 2-3 meters above and behind the guy hiding behind the wall.


46 posted on 05/08/2010 6:08:03 PM PDT by Belasarius (Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward. Job 5:2-7)
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To: spetznaz

It was sarcasm. Banning the ADS is real.


47 posted on 05/09/2010 8:12:05 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: jmaroneps37

Im sure 0bama’s domestic security force will have them.


48 posted on 05/09/2010 9:18:07 AM PDT by culpeper (He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people,)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Obama will surely find a way to stall the use or procurement funding, with his Arab bloodline and loyalties it would be an unfair advantage for westerners.

All the right reasons why POTUS must be a Natural Born Citizen of EXACTLY what the Constitution requires for an elected President.

I remember the documentary of how they calculate the range fuzing, its all about how many revolutions and the microprocessor that signals the fuzing.

It won’t be long before we have guided bullets like in the Tom Selleck movie.


49 posted on 05/09/2010 9:27:34 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Revelation 13:4 (New International Version)

Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?”


50 posted on 05/09/2010 1:57:13 PM PDT by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
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