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Can Israel Survive Without America?
Pinochet

Posted on 05/12/2010 7:34:15 AM PDT by pinochet

The Obama Administration has pressured Israel not to build in Jerusalem, their own capital city. How would we feel, if we were told not to build in Washington DC? Israel has been forced to accept a 2 state solution in the West Bank, despite the fact that Israeli voters supported political parties which reject a Palestinian state on Israeli territory. America's support for Israel is a two-edged sword.

About a month ago, I received a book on Israeli history as a gift. It says that Israel was established in 1948, with official recognition from the UN and the US. But Israel was attacked by 5 Arab armies, soon after it declared Independence. Unbelievably, the UN imposed an arms embargo, which denied Israel the arms it needed to defend itself. But the Arabs received huge quantities of arms during the conflict. Israel fought its war of Independence, with one arm tied behind its back.

Instead of helping Israel, a nation that was created by a UN resolution, the world sat back, expecting Israel to be defeated, and the Jews to be exterminated. This was only 3 years after the Holocaust, when the crimes of the Nazis were still fresh in everyone's minds, which shows that nobody learnt anything from the Holocaust.

In their desperate efforts to defend their country, Israel lost 1 percent of their citizens, but were able to defend their independence. But the arms embargo weakened Israel and prevented it from uniting Jerusalem when the war ended in 1949.

In 1954, Gamal Abdel Nasser came to power in Egypt, and inaugurated the modern era of terrorism against Israel. He then nationalized the Suez Canal, which angered its British and French shareholders. In 1956, Britain, France and Israel formed an alliance, that was intended to remove Nasser from power. But the Eisenhower administration in the US intervened and saved Nasser. If Nasser had been taken out in 1956, Israel would not have needed to fight wars in 1967 and 1973.

When Israel defended itself in 1967, it was so loudly denounced by the world, that it afraid of taking tough measures that would assure its self-defense. This opened the way for the 1973 war, which killed 2,000 Israelis. In 1982, the Reagan administration prevented Ariel Sharon from taking out Yasser Arafat, during the Lebanon war. In fact, America saved Arafat's butt, by rescuing Arafat from Sharon in Beirut. This foreign interference helped to prolong the Lebanon war, and cost unneccessary Israeli lives.

If Israel was completely unleashed against its enemies, without being restrained by America, Israel can put the terrorists out of business. The Palestinian problem would have been solved a long time ago, if America had allowed Israel to transfer the Palestinians to Jordan, where they could have formed their own state if they had wanted to.


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As for the UN, it is useless. The UN regards Jewish lives as being completely worthless. We never hear any condemnations of terrorism against Israel coming from the UN. If another Holocaust was to take place, the world would do nothing, just as they did nothing when Israel was almost destroyed in its infancy in 1948. The world almost witnessed a second Holocaust, only 3 years after the end of the first one.

For the few Israeli freepers who post here. You should do what you think is in your own national interests, and not allow America to interfere in your affairs. America has no right to prevent you from building in your own capital city.

1 posted on 05/12/2010 7:34:16 AM PDT by pinochet
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To: pinochet

Yep, one of the oldest civilizations around. A better question is “Can the USA survive without them?”


2 posted on 05/12/2010 7:35:50 AM PDT by seeker41 (CULPRIT CHINESE COMPANY INFO.)
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To: pinochet

It not only can, it will.


3 posted on 05/12/2010 7:37:45 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: seeker41

That was going to be MY response -

can the USA survive without God’s blessing?
The answer is no.


4 posted on 05/12/2010 7:38:53 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: MrB

can the USA survive without God’s blessing?
The answer is no.


Exactly!


5 posted on 05/12/2010 7:41:00 AM PDT by unkus
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To: pinochet

If you believe that Israel’s rebirth was a bibical event, as I do, then the answer is yes, it can.


6 posted on 05/12/2010 7:42:09 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Never trust anyone who points their ass at God while praying.)
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To: pinochet

At this point Israel is far better off without the United States. Our government insists upon aiding and abetting the enemy, while abandoning our friends.

Wish there was some way to dump this sorry-azz president before 2012.


7 posted on 05/12/2010 7:43:31 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: pinochet

Have believed for decades that God was going to insure that

HE ALONE

was going to be Israel’s defender and provider.

However, woe to us for any forsaking her that we do. The Bible is clear about that.


8 posted on 05/12/2010 7:43:52 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: pinochet

A better question would be , can America, as we know it, survive without Israel?


9 posted on 05/12/2010 7:45:26 AM PDT by sport
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To: MrB

>>>can the USA survive without God’s blessing? The answer is no

What is amazing, is that the American government prosecuted some Americans who tried to smuggle arms to help the Israelis in 1948. America did not lift a finger to help Israel in the most important war that they fought for their survival. America should now stay out of Israel’s way, when it decides how to handle the Jerusalem issue, or deal with terrorists.


10 posted on 05/12/2010 7:46:19 AM PDT by pinochet
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To: pinochet

I feel that under the current administration if Israel was to cast off its ties with the US and start clearing out their terrorist disease, they would be attacked by us.

Obama has shown a clear prejudice towards the Arabs, where Bush was only slanting 45/55 towards the Muslims. I think that whomever is in power now, probably Soros and his affiliations are definitely anti Israeli and anti US.

When you are watching Fox evening news, keep my opinions in mind and I’ll bet within 30 days you’ll agree.


11 posted on 05/12/2010 7:50:27 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Should people be questioning their government? Yes and "Where's the birth certificate?")
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To: pinochet

The problem is when Israel ignores U.S. continued view of how Israel is to respond and operate, which they do what has to be done, when necessary .. is that the United States of America says to them we will not sell you planes, armaments, parts to maintain the current weapons already in Israel’s hands.

Shame on America. How prejudice we are as to Israel, and how determined we are to cause them more losses in their own land.

Satan is at work in this process as in our own government leaders at this time.

God will perserve Israel, and defend her. She has already experienced miracles in withstanding the enemiems that have attacked them again and again. Israel is secular in the majority. They still fail to see the hand of God protecting them. They bring musch upon theirselves by failure to turn to God. Yes, there are a few who do calll on God. Jesus Christ is not accepted by Israel and they are not readers of the New Testament. There are a few Messianic Jews in Israel.

God bless Israel and her stiffnecked ways, Touch the hearts of the Isaraeli people. Bring them close to You LORD, in the name of Jesus, amen


12 posted on 05/12/2010 7:54:15 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: pinochet
Can Israel Survive Without America?

Gen 12:3 - "And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse them that curseth thee..."

I've read numerous scriptures about Israel in the last days...and into eternity. I've yet to read anything about the US...and I'm beginning to know why...

13 posted on 05/12/2010 7:55:31 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: pinochet

78% of (liberal) American Jews voted for Hussein. They still love him. Israel has Bibi so they will be fine.


14 posted on 05/12/2010 8:02:27 AM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain/Graham = La Raza's Senators & Estefan-Rubio)
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To: pinochet

Yes, Israel can survive. It is America that I am worried about.

Sometimes I have thought thta I would actually feel safer living in Israel now, because there, you know where your enemies are, and that is OUTSIDE of your civilization. The same cannot be said for America.

The other thing is that Bibi loves his country. You can see that all over him. Obama hates America, and you can see it all over him and his angry, ugly wife.


15 posted on 05/12/2010 8:05:01 AM PDT by chris37
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To: pinochet

Yes it can. But, our presence is stabilizing in that we scare the Middle Eastern Countries to death. Without us, Israel will be invaded ... and the Middle East will become a wasteland very quickly.

Israel will prevail with or without us, but many more will die if we throw Israel to the wolves.

SnakeDoc


16 posted on 05/12/2010 8:06:55 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("The world will know that free men stood against a tyrant [...] that even a god-king can bleed.")
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To: pinochet

Genesis 12:3 states that “I will bless those who bless you and curse those that curse you.” The US was a blessed nation when we supported Israel. I believe that G-d’s blessing on the US has been rescinded and the curse is just around the corner. I’ve read the last book of the Christian Bible and Israel is the last man standing.

Personally I pray daily for the peace of Jerusalem and have shifted my investments around to Israeli high tech companies. At my age I can’t do much more than that.

Israel will survive with or without the US.


17 posted on 05/12/2010 8:13:05 AM PDT by SailormanCGA72
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To: pinochet

The United States has been a phenomenally powerful and somewhat reliable ally for Israel over the past 60+ years. Fortunately, Israel has dramatically more powerful and far more reliable ally. If it comes down to the United States, led by Obama, on one side, and God on the other side backing Israel, I won’t need much time to choose. “As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”


18 posted on 05/12/2010 8:16:58 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: pinochet

My first reaction to your title was “Can Israel survive in Spite of the US”? The USA may not survive if Israel fails, but it won’t. I have it on good authority. ;-)


19 posted on 05/12/2010 8:19:52 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: pinochet

guess they’ll have to get along without us.

Then again, it may be a putup, so the U.S. is not seen as green lighting the destruction of Iran’s nuclear ambitions.


20 posted on 05/12/2010 8:30:52 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: seeker41
Yep, one of the oldest civilizations around. A better question is “Can the USA survive without them?”

That is the true question and the answer is no. Israel has God and the USA has God because we backed Israel. Any nation that turns its back on God, God will turn His back on them.

21 posted on 05/12/2010 8:31:10 AM PDT by beckysueb (January 20, 2013. When Obama becomes just a skidmark on the panties of American history.)
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To: fatnotlazy

get someone close to him to bungle a burglary...


22 posted on 05/12/2010 8:31:46 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: pinochet
Since Israel is YHvH's land,
YHvH will defend it.

Now that 0bama says America is a Muslim nation,
we will be destroyed by YHvH.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

23 posted on 05/12/2010 8:40:52 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
AMEN!!!!
Shmai Yisrael Adonai Eloheynu Adonai Echad
Hear O Israel!! The Lord our God is One!
Baruch Hashem Adonai
Bless the name of the Lord!
"For He who watches over Israel will neither slumber nor sleep..."
Read Psalm 121:4
Pray to God that He might still see fit to have mercy on America.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
24 posted on 05/12/2010 9:32:46 AM PDT by JimBobWay
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To: pinochet

Israel will survive despite America.


25 posted on 05/12/2010 9:39:21 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: pinochet; SJackson; yonif; Simcha7; American in Israel; Slings and Arrows; judicial meanz; ...
"Can Israel Survive Without America?"

Oh, certainly.

But the mutual benefits of our relationship, both secular and spiritual, are too numerous to list. That's why we need to defend and maintain what we had pre-Obama.













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26 posted on 05/12/2010 11:11:17 AM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: pinochet

In a word, YES.


27 posted on 05/12/2010 11:17:18 AM PDT by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: JimBobWay
Amen ! Brother.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

28 posted on 05/12/2010 11:21:35 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: seeker41

“Yep, one of the oldest civilizations around. A better question is “Can the USA survive without them?””

I concur. As noted by Winston Churchill, the rise and fall of nations can be traced directly to how they treat the Jews -— shortly before England screwed the Jews on Palestine, and start of the freefall of the British Empire.


29 posted on 05/12/2010 12:38:31 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: Frantzie

You know, that’s beyond irrelevant.

Not sure why foolish people keep bringing that up.


30 posted on 05/12/2010 12:39:48 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: reagan_fanatic

What some people seem to forget is that the book about the future has already been written and the ending is there for anyone who wants to know what will happen.

Believe it or not, the choice is up to you.


31 posted on 05/12/2010 1:18:12 PM PDT by chiefqc
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To: chiefqc

......What some people seem to forget is that the book about the future has already been written......

That is a positively Islamic view.


32 posted on 05/12/2010 1:19:58 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Ostracize Democrats. There can be no Democrat friends.)
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To: bert

Yes, because God doesn’t need us ...


33 posted on 05/12/2010 1:23:41 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: bert

Strike one.

Care to guess again?


34 posted on 05/12/2010 3:14:53 PM PDT by chiefqc
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35 posted on 05/12/2010 4:49:11 PM PDT by SJackson (Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel and it must remain undivided, Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: chris37
Obama hates America, and you can see it all over him and his angry, ugly wife.

I just wanted to see that truth repeated.

36 posted on 05/12/2010 4:57:32 PM PDT by Bahbah (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: JimBobWay
Pray to God that He might still see fit to have mercy on America.

I ask this humbly every single day.

37 posted on 05/12/2010 4:59:15 PM PDT by Bahbah (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: Quix

Agree 100%

I think we all might see the Ez 38/39 showdown on the evening news. Israel isn’t going anywhere. God keeps His promises and He’s still on the throne regardless of how everything might look to the eyes of the secular world.


38 posted on 05/12/2010 5:24:53 PM PDT by SirLurkedalot ( Restore our Constitution in 2010/2012!!!)
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To: pinochet

39 posted on 05/12/2010 5:38:41 PM PDT by jmcenanly
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To: seeker41
Yep, one of the oldest civilizations around. A better question is “Can the USA survive without them?”

My response as well.

40 posted on 05/12/2010 7:12:05 PM PDT by madison10
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To: Frantzie

BiBi is the kind of Hawk leader that Ronald Reagan was. God Bless Israel and BiBi.


41 posted on 05/12/2010 9:03:46 PM PDT by ncfool (The new USSA - United Socialst States of AmeriKa. Welcome to Obummers world.)
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To: SirLurkedalot

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

THX THX.


42 posted on 05/12/2010 10:12:32 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: pinochet; Yehuda; null and void; Armageddon; sheik yerbouty

Obama is the profane wicked prince (president) of Israel whose day has come, Ez 21.30.


43 posted on 05/12/2010 10:43:44 PM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: pinochet
I've been meditation on this a while now and come to this conclusion:

As some people know that the NAME of a thing in older times would DEFINE the meaning & character of the person or object. Hence the name change that the Lord gave to Jacob (meaning: the deceiver) and changed to ISRAEL "He who struggled with man and God, and prevailed".

Also note how over the centuries that despite untold suffering & persecution they still remain but their oppressors can hardly be found!!

So to answer the question of the article, I would easily say "YES" howbeit the USA would lose the blessings attached to the effort to being their ally & friend in times of trouble.

The USA has just been around for a little more than 200 years vs 2000 years for the JEWS. We have helped them a lot and prospered for it but their ultimate protection & salvation is from the Almighty Himself.

44 posted on 05/13/2010 12:00:48 AM PDT by prophetic (0Bama = 1 illegal president = 32 illegal, unconstitutional & unnecessary CZARS to do his job!!)
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To: pinochet
Yes and they will out last America and all other countries. The Jews are God's chosen people.
45 posted on 05/13/2010 12:05:55 AM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: pinochet

Can America survive without Israel?

I think not.


46 posted on 05/13/2010 8:18:53 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: pinochet

Yes, but they are going to have to nuke a few neighbors to do it. Which is fine by me, btw.


47 posted on 05/13/2010 8:21:08 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Salem

I kind of have a radical view on this.

I happen to think America can not survive without Israel.


48 posted on 05/13/2010 11:53:01 AM PDT by tuckrdout ( A fool vents all his feelings, but a wise man holds them back. Prov.29:11)
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To: pinochet
A better question is can America survive without Israel. He who blesses Israel is blessed and he who curses Israel is cursed according to Holy Scripture.
If Israel, in the plan of The LORD, for any reason needs America, which may in some way symbolize The Church of The Living LORD, to come to it's aid we will.
For our sake we had better be for Israel. Israel needs none other than her LORD.
49 posted on 05/13/2010 1:36:20 PM PDT by Bellflower (If you are left DO NOT take the mark of the beast and be damned forever.)
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To: tuckrdout
"I kind of have a radical view on this. ... I happen to think America can not survive without Israel."

Then you, me, and a couple thousand others around Free Republic are all on Uncle Sam's "radicals" short list.  !

50 posted on 05/13/2010 8:23:25 PM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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