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Laura Bush Supports Gay Marriage, Abortion
abcnews.com ^ | May 12, 2010 | RUSSELL GOLDMAN

Posted on 05/12/2010 6:47:05 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

Former first lady Laura Bush has broken with her husband on the premier social issues of his administration and said she backs gay marriage and abortion.

After more than eight years of silence on the controversial issues, Mrs. Bush said in an interview with CNN's Larry KingTuesday, that gay marriage and abortion were points of contention with her husband, former President George W. Bush.

Mrs. Bush in recent weeks has been promoting her memoir "Spoken from the Heart," in which she writes about her life both before and after becoming first lady.

In response to a question about gay marriage, she said, "There are a lot of people who have trouble coming to terms with that because they see marriage as traditionally between a man and a woman. But I also know that, you know, when couples are committed to each other and love each other, that they ought to have, I think, the same sort of rights that everyone has."

Mrs. Bush said she and the ex-president "disagree" on legalizing same-sex marriage.

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To: stephenjohnbanker
As the World Turns has nothing on you, stephen.

I tell the truth............and you know it.

btw, why do you keep posting to me? Doesn't that make you a "liar?" :)

451 posted on 05/13/2010 10:32:48 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Texas4ever

Good advice, Texas.....


452 posted on 05/13/2010 10:33:44 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan

DO YOU WANT ME TO POST PROOF THAT YOU ARE DAMN LIAR?


453 posted on 05/13/2010 10:35:09 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
I want you to stop posting to me.

Good bye, stephen.

454 posted on 05/13/2010 10:38:35 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: GeronL
Its time for the media to divide the GOP again

Sure don't blame it on the people who think it's ok to kill babies or redefine marriage or anything.

455 posted on 05/13/2010 10:43:02 AM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: GeronL
No. If she had said the opposite do you think it would have been mentioned at all?

Of course not, but the media is doing us a favor by showing us who the RINO's are. Just because they occasionally speak the truth doesn't mean THE MEDIA are the ones doing the dividing.

456 posted on 05/13/2010 10:45:55 AM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Outlaw Woman
Why did she feel the need to say anything at all?

Because she wants to look relevant? Appeal to the left? I dunno. That is very strange.

457 posted on 05/13/2010 10:46:42 AM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Texas4ever; 1rudeboy

1rudeboy had a good post about the 72 year(s) shift in economics and political life. While we normally fight like cats and dogs, as I cannot sell goods and services to poor people, his article did make sense out of these crazy times.


458 posted on 05/13/2010 10:47:19 AM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion Stops A Beating Heart)
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To: ohioWfan
In a marvelous, insightful, 432 page book, Laura devotes exactly ONE LINE to her belief that "no one can walk in anyone else's shoes." She devotes page after page on their struggle to have children and her firm belief that no matter what was wrong with her babies, she would give birth to them and love them. As a matter of fact, the only comment on abortion came as a critique of Katie Couric and the media trap. Larry King pressed her on the issue in his interview, and she didn't lie. It's not as if, as some are implying, or stating outright, she deceitfully waited until her husband was out of office to preach pro-abortion views.

(Some of the comments on this thread are ludicrous).

Please explain to me what you meant by this series of comments, other than to say that folks had been unfair to Laura on this issue.

It has been my perception that folks were upset that Laura had come out to support personal choice. And in response you said 'some comments on this thread were ludicrous'.

Why would they be ludicrous, if you are as dismayed with Laura's comment as you intimate you are?

I'm not particularly trying to give you a hard time, but there does seem to be a conflict here.

459 posted on 05/13/2010 10:48:21 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Excusaholic: MeCain lost to Jr., RINO endorsements are flying, & you live at 2012 Denial Blvd.)
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To: svcw
I agree. I have never understood how any woman who has had children could be in favor of abortion.

For the same reason female animals will sometimes kill and eat the young of other animals of the same species. It's a viciousness bred of trying to thin out the competition for your own offspring.

It's disgusting, whatever the true motivation is.
460 posted on 05/13/2010 10:48:59 AM PDT by Antoninus (It's a degenerate society where dogs have more legal rights than unborn babies.)
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To: investigateworld

We haven’t reached the “cats and dogs” stage yet. We’re still at the “can I buy you a drink, you bastard?” stage. ;)


461 posted on 05/13/2010 10:50:32 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: DoughtyOne
I said some......note SOME of the comments on this thread were ludicrous, and they are.

I have made multiple posts on this thread, and every thread I've ever posted on, about the sanctity of life. On this thread I have said I grieved for Laura's lack of understanding on this issue.

You need to work on your "perception" and stick with reality.

Sorry, D1. Conversation over.

462 posted on 05/13/2010 10:54:54 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: 1rudeboy
LOL!

I hear our (Willamett Valley) Pinot Noir is quite good this year.

463 posted on 05/13/2010 10:58:06 AM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion Stops A Beating Heart)
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To: investigateworld
You are kidding of course, or maybe I'm too old to recognize sarcasm? Latino Voters are the new backbone of the Democrat Party, and their abortion rates amongst them is second only to African - Americans. Goggle it.

Don't misunderstand. I said they would vote for Dems and other leftists, but I was just stating what struck me as an irony.

There are conflicting reports about the abortion rates. I would expect the abortion rate to be higher for legal Hispanics than illegals, as they "assimilate" and some of them start embracing pro-abortion groups. You did notice that they are out-reproducing Anglos and Blacks?

464 posted on 05/13/2010 11:04:44 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Pat Caddell: Democrats are drinking kool-aid in a political Jonestown)
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To: Deb
"...to hell with conservatism."? You have really lost your mind.

Wow, Deb, you've never (to my knowledge) expressed the thought that I had a mind to begin with, so this is somewhat of an improvement.  Thank you.  ;-)

That you can't tell the difference between polite diplomacy and political dogma is disturbing. And that you can't see thru the obvious on-going campaign of Leftist slander against ALL the Republican presidents, surprises me.

Deb, expressing the belief that women deserve the right of "Choice", is not one of my failings.  Dogma, Diplomacy, personal opinion, it really doesn't matter does it?
And insulting people who know are conservatives, but who dare to believe George Bush was a dedicated conservative who did his best against an avalanche of opposition, "Bushbots" and "in love" is beneath you. I expect it from the usual malcontents who scream "RINO" at every Republican who makes a dumb or diplomatic, unconservative comment to the press, but I thought you at least attempted to check things out.

Deb, I'm addressing a person who admits in one offering that Larua made a mistake, and in another says that the reactions to that acknowledged mistake are ludicrous.

The mistake being admitted to by the person I am addressing, I'm somewhat baffled by your assessment that I have unfairly categorized Laura's admission.

465 posted on 05/13/2010 11:05:43 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Excusaholic: MeCain lost to Jr., RINO endorsements are flying, & you live at 2012 Denial Blvd.)
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To: ohioWfan

I would suggest you stick to the reality that Laura did make a mistake, and quit trying to dictate how people react to that mistake.

As for this conversation, it will be over when you quite trying to spin your confusing comments on the matter, to me.


466 posted on 05/13/2010 11:11:48 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Excusaholic: MeCain lost to Jr., RINO endorsements are flying, & you live at 2012 Denial Blvd.)
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To: red irish

“you are neither hot, nor cold” I will spew you from my mouth.


467 posted on 05/13/2010 11:23:06 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Control the American people? Herding cats would be easier.)
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To: Yorktownpatriot

She’s already been there, done that. It was, I believe, her first stop on this lame book tour.


468 posted on 05/13/2010 11:26:45 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Control the American people? Herding cats would be easier.)
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To: DoughtyOne

It’s over right now. You may have the last word.


469 posted on 05/13/2010 11:34:35 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
"“If I could time travel and I met your mother when she was pregnant and carrying you, and abortion was legal at that point in time, would you find it acceptable if I talked your mother into having an abortion?” If Laura told me no, I would say, “Why not?” It’s a woman’s right to choose."

Because of her mother's history, I wouldn't waste my time asking Mrs.Bush that particular question. There was no reason for her married mother to ever consider abortion, in fact quite the opposite was true. In the various interviews that she has done for her book, she has said that her parents wanted a big family and that her mother had several miscarriages. Laura has said that she was acutely aware of the sadness that those losses caused her parents.

470 posted on 05/13/2010 11:34:49 AM PDT by Mila
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To: Keen-Minded

Laura Bush doesn’t understand God’s position on marriage. It wasn’t social values or custom that made marriage from the beginning, it was GOD. He instituted marriage and how life was created. Marriage is God’s idea not man’s. Laura Bush is so wrong on these issues. I feel sad for George having to put up with such stupidity in his own house. But then I think his own mother is pro-abortion. There has to be better identification of conservative Republicans and who and what they are before we go buying their books.


471 posted on 05/13/2010 11:42:42 AM PDT by Maryhere ("HE comes to rule the earth")
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To: Elpasser

And why he boycotted the Falwell funeral after Jerry Falwell endorsed GHWB in 1988.


472 posted on 05/13/2010 12:00:25 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: ohioWfan

No, she is not teachable. Being in the elite is all that matters to her.


473 posted on 05/13/2010 12:01:30 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: red irish

To understand you have to start from the beginning when the APA removed homosexuality from the DSM in 1973. It is in “Sexual Politics And Scientific Logic: The Issue Of Homosexuality” which used to be published on online in its entirety but apparently no longer available. I found an excerpt at PFOX but organizations like them and NARTH are so unfairly discredited by the medical community I never cite them as a source. http://www.pfox.org/Removal_of_homosexuality.html. However I see you can purchase the 22 page paper from NARTH however, probably copyrighted after Socarides death. The battle between Charles Socarides and Robert Spitzer is at the heart of the controversy. The bottom line is homosexuality was removed from the DSM for political reasons not scientific reasons. What the excerpt does not include, unfortunately, is it came down to a vote by the some 10,000 members of the APA with the removal winning 56% to 42% and 2% abstaining. Science is like math, it’s replicable. You can no more vote on what 2 + 2 equals than you can with medicine. And that’s the shocking reality.


474 posted on 05/13/2010 12:01:35 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (Show me your papers, and still the oil flowed! Palin/Cheney 2012)
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To: ohioWfan

Well I said it would be over when the spin stopped, and now it is.

Later.


475 posted on 05/13/2010 12:02:28 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Excusaholic: MeCain lost to Jr., RINO endorsements are flying, & you live at 2012 Denial Blvd.)
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To: SeekAndFind

No, she is running for being a major celebrity; that more important to the American people than some dumb office.


476 posted on 05/13/2010 12:02:49 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: DoughtyOne
Sorry, but I just noticed your switcheroo here, and need to point it out before I go....

THIS is your first accusation.....

Didn't you state she hadn't been wrong on abortion?

That I agreed with Laura on abortion, which I, of course, don't, and everyone clearly knows that.

Then you morphed your accusation into THIS....

I would suggest you stick to the reality that Laura did make a mistake, and quit trying to dictate how people react to that mistake.

Leaving behind your accusation that I was not pro-life and turning it into a completely different accusation that I won't admit that "Laura did make a mistake."......whatever that means

So therefore, there is no possible way to continue the conversation because you keep changing and confusing it. Anything I say to refute your argument, can and most likely will be turned into something totally different in your next post.

Conclusion......I am completely and utterly pro-life, and praying that Laura will be too, especially since she loves and respects her pro-life husband so deeply.

See you around, DoughtyOne.

477 posted on 05/13/2010 12:02:51 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I saw a few minutes of her interview with Larry King and when she started saying how people who love each other should be allowed to marry, I changed the channel.

Sickening. Are there no true conservatives left in the political arena?


478 posted on 05/13/2010 12:02:51 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: DoughtyOne
It’s just painful to realize what an opportunity we had under Bush, and how that opportunity circled the drain prior to Obama coming on the scene.

One could argue that the Dems have blown a similar "opportunity" by infuriating independents, even quicker than in the GWB era. On the other hand, obamacare will be a curse that will be damned hard to cure.

479 posted on 05/13/2010 12:03:11 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Pat Caddell: Democrats are drinking kool-aid in a political Jonestown)
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To: DoughtyOne

Your spin is clearly pointed out in my last post.


480 posted on 05/13/2010 12:03:42 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Deb
So, the premise of this thread is a lie? I didn't see the words come out of her mouth, so I'm just going by what the original poster posted, from abc news:

Former first lady Laura Bush has broken with her husband on the premier social issues of his administration and said she backs gay marriage and abortion.

After more than eight years of silence on the controversial issues, Mrs. Bush said in an interview with CNN's Larry KingTuesday, that gay marriage and abortion were points of contention with her husband, former President George W. Bush.

Mrs. Bush in recent weeks has been promoting her memoir "Spoken from the Heart," in which she writes about her life both before and after becoming first lady.

In response to a question about gay marriage, she said, "There are a lot of people who have trouble coming to terms with that because they see marriage as traditionally between a man and a woman. But I also know that, you know, when couples are committed to each other and love each other, that they ought to have, I think, the same sort of rights that everyone has."

Mrs. Bush said she and the ex-president "disagree" on legalizing same-sex marriage.

481 posted on 05/13/2010 12:08:02 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Laura Bush is FOR the butchering of babies in the womb. She is pro-abortion.)
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To: Texas4ever; stephenjohnbanker
RE :”Why would you not buy her book?

I think if you review that post you responded to #29 I never said (on this thread) that “I would never read her book”. I was asking another freeper if he read it, I put one question on that reply with a question mark.

Post a copy of the book, I will read it. Hopefully it wont get me in tears like some others here:)

482 posted on 05/13/2010 12:08:58 PM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: Theodore R.

“Boycott” may be the wrong word. He sent a representative that no one had ever heard of to the funeral.


483 posted on 05/13/2010 12:13:06 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: ohioWfan; Deb
Sorry I offended you with those innocuous questions.

Innocuous questions don't offend, but rude comments do:

I only 'dismiss' [your comments] because they aren't valid, IMO.

You’re a liar. Laura Bush is neither “pro-abortion” or “pro gay marriage”. And you’re the “rude” and let me add, dishonest one.

Man, you people are rough.

484 posted on 05/13/2010 12:16:41 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Laura Bush is FOR the butchering of babies in the womb. She is pro-abortion.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; genetic homophobe; Gilbo_3; NFHale; ...
How you guys doing? Have any of you finished Laura's book yet? I just love the part about Laura explaining the ‘birds and bees’ to her teenage daughters, and then being told by them (daughters) that they know more about it than her from dating and giving Mom some advice on 'birth control'. We all cried together watching that story retold on Oprah(including Oprah) . What great people!

OPPPs, I think I this is the wrong thread. I meant to post this on the “Pray for President Bush” thread. Sorry to bother you. My mistake!

485 posted on 05/13/2010 12:20:28 PM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp; Deb
Wait a minute pointy head. We are two different people.

Would you like me to conjoin your comments with someone else for a joint accusation?

Deb is entitled to her opinion, you are entitled to yours, and I am entitled to mine.

I was civil, and I don't think the point you made is valid. What you could have done is to defend your position, but you chose not to.

If you can't handle healthy disagreement, then so be it. I won't bug you, but I also won't buckle to some bizarre demand that I not post my opinions to you.

486 posted on 05/13/2010 12:25:38 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
Your tag line shows what a liar you are and how dedicated you are to promoting disinformation.

Laura Bush does not promote, work on committees for, sell t-shirts advocating or stop people on the street to sing the praises of either abortion or gay marriage. She has never done a single thing to advance either cause.

The facts are, George Bush supported, praised and signed the Defense of Marriage act. His first act as president was to repeal Clinton's exec. order permitting abortions on military bases and the federal funding of abortions abroad. His first veto was to stop embryonic stem cell experiments and he was the most Pro Life president in our history.

So maybe if he hadn't been married to Laura he would have taken out Dr. Tiller himself. You moron.

487 posted on 05/13/2010 12:26:25 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
btw, if you were interested in a fair debate, you would have clarified who said what in that post.

Somehow, I'm getting the impression that fair debate is not of interest to you.

488 posted on 05/13/2010 12:26:57 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: sickoflibs

Actually most threads have the potential to turn into “Prey for President Bush” threads.


489 posted on 05/13/2010 12:28:54 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Excusaholic: MeCain lost to Jr., RINO endorsements are flying, & you live at 2012 Denial Blvd.)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp

You may direct your whining to me. I’m the “rude” one. And if its too “rough” for you, there are many ballet discussion and knitting sites on the web where people won’t call you what you are.


490 posted on 05/13/2010 12:30:31 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: sickoflibs
I don't think it's wise for a person who has been called an "idiot troll" by the owner of the forum, to attack people who pray, as commanded in Scripture, for the leaders of our country.

Not wise, at all, sick one.

491 posted on 05/13/2010 12:30:37 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Theodore R.

You sure don’t know much, Theodore. That is one of the most ignorant statements about Laura that I have ever read.


492 posted on 05/13/2010 12:37:16 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: DoughtyOne
MeCain lost to Jr

What does this mean in English?

493 posted on 05/13/2010 12:37:29 PM PDT by Chunga (Any IDIOT who says Obama would be better for the country than McCain is a disgrace - Mark Levin)
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To: DoughtyOne
RE :"Actually most threads have the potential to turn into “Prey for President Bush” threads."

Some of the readers of Laura's book posting here should ask her not to say embarrassing stuff like this on Larry King live anymore, they can tell her next time they show up at a Laura book signing. They could ask her to read the comments on this thread and see what headaches she is causing them.

494 posted on 05/13/2010 12:43:29 PM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: Deb; ohioWfan
She has never done a single thing to advance either cause.

Where did I say she did? And where did I say all the other things you are accusing me of saying or thinking? I wasn't talking about President Bush at all, and now you're dragging him into it. But you two seem to enjoy all the rude name calling, so knock yourselves out.

You are the rudest posters I have ever encountered. And, yes, you must be living in an alternate universe if you can't see that.

My tagline states a newly-discovered fact, nothing more.

You two act as if I made up the original article posted on abc news. If you've got a gripe about the article's veracity, take it up with them.

495 posted on 05/13/2010 12:43:35 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Laura Bush is FOR the butchering of babies in the womb. She is pro-abortion.)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
I have no idea to whom you are addressing what in this post, pointy head.

Could you please post comments intended for me to me, or delineate in some way?

Nothing you've posted here makes a lick of sense, so unless you start by being rational, we have no where to go with this.

Besides, what's with demanding that I not post to you and then attacking me like a pitbull?

I've tried to be civil with you all along, pointy, but you're really making it difficult.

497 posted on 05/13/2010 12:46:52 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: sickoflibs
Oh.........I should have mentioned this, sick....

I don't recommend your reading Laura's book. She's intelligent, literate, and writes way beyond your 4th grade reading level. :)

(To be forewarned is to be forearmed......)

498 posted on 05/13/2010 12:48:55 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan

Yes, you really are in an alternate universe. Pitbull? I guess I’m not allowed to defend myself, then. Attack attack attack, and I’m not allowed to respond in any way, without being called names again. Pitbull. Pssh!


499 posted on 05/13/2010 12:50:08 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Laura Bush is FOR the butchering of babies in the womb. She is pro-abortion.)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp

Hey, we’re eating our own. Woo hoo!


500 posted on 05/13/2010 12:52:59 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Laura Bush is FOR the butchering of babies in the womb. She is pro-abortion.)
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