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Laura Bush Supports Gay Marriage, Abortion
abcnews.com ^ | May 12, 2010 | RUSSELL GOLDMAN

Posted on 05/12/2010 6:47:05 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

Former first lady Laura Bush has broken with her husband on the premier social issues of his administration and said she backs gay marriage and abortion.

After more than eight years of silence on the controversial issues, Mrs. Bush said in an interview with CNN's Larry KingTuesday, that gay marriage and abortion were points of contention with her husband, former President George W. Bush.

Mrs. Bush in recent weeks has been promoting her memoir "Spoken from the Heart," in which she writes about her life both before and after becoming first lady.

In response to a question about gay marriage, she said, "There are a lot of people who have trouble coming to terms with that because they see marriage as traditionally between a man and a woman. But I also know that, you know, when couples are committed to each other and love each other, that they ought to have, I think, the same sort of rights that everyone has."

Mrs. Bush said she and the ex-president "disagree" on legalizing same-sex marriage.

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To: Deb
And your beliefs are gospel exactly why?

Pro-aborts don't belong in a pro-life party.If you are comfortable with the option of murdering infants I suggest another venue might be better to express your views.

551 posted on 05/13/2010 2:35:51 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Figures. Thanks for making my point.


552 posted on 05/13/2010 2:36:11 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: hoosierham
I'll take "venue" advice from you exactly never, jerk and you aren't the party monitor either so, despite my disagreement with her, Laura is free to be part of whatever party she likes.

Using what Laura thinks to trash her husband is the last refuge of you cowards and not everyone here will let it go.

553 posted on 05/13/2010 2:43:21 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb
Her husband's judgment in putting the nation into a huge debt ,not really trying to clean up the immigration mess,growing the federal bureaucracy,doing little to clean up the past instances of voter fraud ,and in general ,seeming to care only about going to war in Iraq, remain sufficient reasons for doubt.

Call me what names you will,I shall wear them as a badge of honor.

554 posted on 05/13/2010 2:51:02 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: hoosierham
Gee, what a surprise...The List. Whenever you hacks get snuffed you run for "The List.

Remember The Troll Hack Credo...No matter what facts are presented, when you have no answers, fall back on "The List".

What are you, 12?

555 posted on 05/13/2010 2:58:01 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb

Your point, that changing the description changes the act itself?


556 posted on 05/13/2010 3:13:10 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Pat Caddell: Democrats are drinking kool-aid in a political Jonestown)
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To: Deb
Troll hacks ...the List?And you question my age?

Look,I voted for Bush TWICE because he was better than the Democrat candidate,that doesn't mean I must turn a blind eye to his mistakes or my differences in matter of policy.

For now,anyway,it is still possible to hold personal opinions and express criticisms ;although that is obviously more difficult with the current annointed "won".

557 posted on 05/13/2010 3:18:17 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
The point that changing the words and projecting your warped version of the truth, changes the meaning and intent.

But, please, continue your fake outrage, though you really are straining to keep this going.

558 posted on 05/13/2010 3:19:04 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

You won ;-)


559 posted on 05/13/2010 3:24:25 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: hoosierham
Why would you vote for someone "TWICE" and not look past the media (and in some cases, cowardly Republican) smears to see if they might be lies or misstated or only one side? Or do you just pick up any bumper sticker bits of info and repeat them endlessly?

Every item on your List has been refuted, if you care, but it never matters because its become important to destroy this man and send anyone who supports him running.

560 posted on 05/13/2010 3:26:54 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

You lose.


561 posted on 05/13/2010 3:28:20 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Maybe continuing this would be


562 posted on 05/13/2010 3:31:00 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Pat Caddell: Democrats are drinking kool-aid in a political Jonestown)
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To: Deb

We all lost. RINOs like the Bushes & McCains caused everyone of us to lose.

Enjoy the communist in the White House. A gift from the RINOS.


563 posted on 05/13/2010 3:31:21 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Yes.


564 posted on 05/13/2010 3:31:47 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
So you trolls keep saying. Maybe repeating The List a few more times will make people believe it.

You stinking Birchers and Losertarians gave us the quisling in the White House. Congratulations, traitor.

565 posted on 05/13/2010 3:38:30 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb

The only troll left on this thread is you. RINO loving you.


566 posted on 05/13/2010 3:41:02 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Blah, blah, blah

I know you are, but what am I?

Shove it, Losertarian.

567 posted on 05/13/2010 3:42:37 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb

I was for Duncan Hunter. I have never backed a “losertarian”, but someone with your lack of intelligence needs to grasp at straws, because straws are all you have to debate with.


568 posted on 05/13/2010 3:44:51 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

We’ve know for a long time that Laura wasn’t a true conservative. That can probably be said about GW too.


569 posted on 05/13/2010 4:06:11 PM PDT by RogerQ
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To: OldDeckHand

... which is pretty amazing since her hubby oversaw the fourth biggest expansion of government, after FDR, LBJ and BHO. Nancy certainly wasn’t straight-line pro-life, but she hardly was the Elizabeth-Dole-”you-prolifers-are-ruining-MY-party” type, either.


570 posted on 05/13/2010 4:10:27 PM PDT by dangus
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To: red irish

No, I read the rudeness and condescension in the initial response. We can be passionate and disagree about fine points with each other and still be polite.

I walk the Pro-Life talk, it’s not just talk to me. I have been passionately pro-life since I have been old enough to understand what abortion was. Even so, I have heard the initial whisper run through my head that said “no one has to know.” Followed by the next thought of “and your soul will wither away...your choice was to not get pregnant, dummy!”

I know first hand how friends (and I was in my 30’s, not a teen) mentioned “you have options” - and I will tell you, not once did I think about the president’s wife. My only thought was this is a human life that I am now responsible for (and she is now the greatest joy I know.)

I will also say, the pro-life crowd (FR included) has some of the harshest things to say about single moms. You can’t have it both ways - you can’t (and I don’t mean you directly) be anti-abortion, and then talk about bastard children.

What Mrs. Bush says, won’t influence the pro-life movement, she’s never claimed that title. She’s not rabidly pro-abortion, she qualifies her statement - so she’s not a mouthpiece of the pro-death movement either. I think she could easily move to the pro-life side - and I won’t write off that possibility.

I clearly have a posting history of being pro-life, I believe that when people who make our laws have the value of human life where it needs to be, everything else falls into place.

And for the record, I’d still rather see Mrs. Bush as first lady instead of what we have now.


571 posted on 05/13/2010 4:14:44 PM PDT by porter_knorr (John Adams would be arrested for his thoughts on tyrants today!)
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To: Deb
...tiny man...fakes pretending to be conservative...you're never manly enough to pull it off

It's weird being called a 'tiny man' and 'not manly enough' - especially since I'm a woman! LOL!!! < :D

If you'll notice, I changed my tagline yet again. Since the word "butchering" seems to affect your delicate & hysterical sensibilities, I dropped that entirely. I then changed it to pro-abortion, which I used for a few posts. I'm now calling it pro-choice.

I'm not sure what we're arguing about. The article and the internet say she is pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage. You don't seem to believe that. And, because of that, you became hysterical.

I am opposed to abortion, at any stage of a baby's life. I am also against gay marriage. If we're on a site that is also against those things, why are we arguing??? Are you FOR those things, or do you just have trouble believing that Laura Bush is FOR those things? Unlike Laura Bush, I have a clear conscience. [And, just for the record, I am also against capital punishment.]

572 posted on 05/13/2010 5:12:49 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (FACT: Laura Bush is pro-choice and pro-gay marriage.)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp

Give it a rest, Butch. Really, no one cares what you are. A liar’s a liar.


573 posted on 05/13/2010 5:15:58 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb
you and your brother trolls can't trash Bush using his wife

Oh, and if you'll look back at my posts, I didn't drag Bush into this 'conversation' at all. Didn't even mention him.

574 posted on 05/13/2010 5:17:29 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (FACT: Laura Bush is pro-choice and pro-gay marriage.)
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To: Deb

What am I lying about, O hysterical one?


575 posted on 05/13/2010 5:18:10 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (FACT: Laura Bush is pro-choice and pro-gay marriage.)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp

Are you on uppers? This thread was dead looooong ago. Nice try, but the flying monkeys got shot down and ohioWfan dropped a house on you.


576 posted on 05/13/2010 5:23:35 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb

Oh, my goodness, but you are whacked. A hysterical whack job. You’ve outed yourself on this thread.


577 posted on 05/13/2010 5:25:27 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (FACT: Laura Bush is pro-choice and pro-gay marriage.)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp

Yeah, okay...whatever you say. (may I suggest hormone replacement?)


578 posted on 05/13/2010 5:27:06 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb

I think you’ve proved by your extreme hysteria that YOU are the candidate for hormone replacement therapy. My hormones are fine, thank you very much.


579 posted on 05/13/2010 5:28:02 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (FACT: Laura Bush is pro-choice and pro-gay marriage.)
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To: vox_freedom

We differ on what “most women” think. I think most have an objection to abortion but it doesn’t extend to telling others what to do or think. ANd that is not a ground for terminating a friendship or a relative.


580 posted on 05/13/2010 5:34:33 PM PDT by cajungirl
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To: DoughtyOne
I'm going to take a chance here and confess to you, DO, that I am going to try my best never to say to you, "Conversation over" or "I'm leaving".....because I'm sure that you will come back with a distortion or confused post that I will want to respond to.

You always do. You and a handful of others insist on making outrageous comments (as you have done here), and I sometimes don't have the discipline to let them go as I should.

I know myself very well, being a stable and emotionally together person as I am, and I am beginning to understand you pretty well too, based on your posts, and the rather odd things that you do with your time and energy.

So what I will TRY to do is never tell you the conversation is over, and then just leave when I've had enough of your pretzel logic and imaginative 'perception.'

There. Now you may attack me further and call me a liar, or whatever it is you feel like doing this time.

And I will only respond if you say something that isn't true. How's that sound?

582 posted on 05/13/2010 5:41:51 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
How about the supporters of the quintessential RINO, Ron Paul? Are there any here? You?? (Don't know)

RINO lovers in extremis.....

583 posted on 05/13/2010 5:44:24 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: mkjessup

Who gets to be the guy in the picture? You, mk? ;*)


584 posted on 05/13/2010 5:50:14 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan

Do you want me to humiliate you, and post what proves you are a damned liar?

One more post from you, and you get it!


585 posted on 05/13/2010 5:52:57 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
What? From your illicit "truth file?"

I told the truth. I said at first I would comply with your demand to never post to you, and then I forthrightly said I would no longer comply with your silly demand because it was silly.

Unless you post my entire posting history, you can't 'humiliate' me with a single, out of context post, no matter how hard you try.

I've told everyone what happened, and that I decided later that your demand wasn't reasonable, so I have nothing to hide.

Everyone will know that you chose a single out of context post, and that will mean absolutely nothing.

Reminding you that your "demand" came after you whined that I said your post was "hyperbole"....which it was.

Now go look up the "truth file" (or have one of your gang members do it) and come back with whatever you feel like posting.

I know you're afraid of me, but I'm certainly not afraid of you. And I will not be intimidated by your threats.

The gig is up, stephen. Do your worst. Look stupid and petty. I don't care.

586 posted on 05/13/2010 6:00:41 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan

Reminded by another thread

Dick Cheney is also for gay maraige....

and Obama is against it


587 posted on 05/13/2010 6:06:57 PM PDT by woofie
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To: sabe@q.com
I agree with you. Really this is a non-issue to me. Laura Bush is entitled to her opinions.

So what if we don't agree with all of them?

588 posted on 05/13/2010 6:11:11 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: woofie
Good point, woofie.

(Don't you wish they had a 'truth file' on you? I'm about to get blasted by some secret 'revelation' from the deep, dark and slimy recesses of the I-hate-ohioWfan-out-of-context-nonsense file. Can't wait. :)

589 posted on 05/13/2010 6:13:29 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Can you imagine the outcry from conservatives if she had expressed these while Pres Bush was in office? But yet we have posters in this thread questioning why she did not. I guess Mrs. Bush just can’t win.

I have always found her a quality first lady, intelligent, well read, supportive and graceful beyond measure.


590 posted on 05/13/2010 6:15:06 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: sabe@q.com

Mrs. Bush was the ideal First Lady. Now that she’s out of the White House, she’s free to say whatever on her mind on Oprah. I don’t really care, heh. And this thread is taking up valuable bandwidth when we could be talking about our current President’s latest crime against the Constitution. Or sports.


591 posted on 05/13/2010 6:17:55 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinuteGal
Laura purposefully deceived us on her leftist espousals for the benefit of herself and her husband while they were in the White House as evinced by her not waiting a New York minute to lay it on us trusting suckers as soon as she could write and publish for profit. This little well-played trick of hers mirrors the subterfuges of liberals everywhere, doesn't it........so it doesn't surprise me.

Well said!

592 posted on 05/13/2010 6:33:54 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Yes, let's do our best to portray George and Laura Bush as the perfect models of what we want in reasoned leadership. And while we're at it, to hell with Conservatism. /s

Every one of your comments on this thread is SPOT ON, DoughtyOne.

593 posted on 05/13/2010 6:46:30 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: ohioWfan

I will be interested to see your file...were you a Smurf collector?


594 posted on 05/13/2010 7:15:50 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This really isn’t surprising at all.

The disappointing thing about this is that she was not asked the more important question of procedure, or in other words of how she thinks the issue should be decided. The media is so biased and unoriginal that they almost never get to this, and this question really is more important than one’s actual views on gay marriage.

While it is absurd to claim that support for gay marriage is conservative (as some have tried, like newly activist Ted Olson), I don’t have a problem with an otherwise-conservative Republican supporting gay marriage IF they are steadfast on the role of the judiciary and of who gets to decide this issue. Anyone who supports the ludicrous idea that the Constitution demands state recognition of same-sex unions, and that courts should impose it should have no place in the conservative movement, or GOP. Anyone who supports this idea is a champion of the ‘living Constitution’ and judicial supremacy, and as such have no right to complain about any activist court decision. The same goes for abortion. We should at least be able to agree on the proper role of the Courts. If anything can be a dividing line it is this. I don’t mind having more ‘moderate’ Republicans from deep blue states, but if they are not good on the proper role of the courts, then I have no use for them.

So that should have been the follow-up for Laura Bush. She should have been asked; ‘okay, but do you think there is a Constitutional right for state recognition of same-sex unions that should be imposed by the courts, or do you think this is an issue properly left to the democratic process? Do you, Mrs Bush, think that the decision made by over 70% of Texans to ban gay marriage should stand, or do you think 5 judges on the Sup Court should disregard that and impose gay marriage/civil unions?’

This is a question that should be put to people like David Frum too, who pretty much recommend that conservatives unconditionally surrender on this issue in order to avoid being on ‘the wrong side of history.’ Well, California might vote the other way a few years down the road. A few states may be close to the point where majorities would support gay marriage, but in many states (probably most) the people will not support gay marriage any time soon, and maybe never...and their decision should stand, and not be subject to overrule by 5 judges.


595 posted on 05/13/2010 7:19:13 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: red irish
I could never date or marry anyone who supported abortion. And the whole gay marriage agenda is a direct attack on matters of faith, they want to force the churches to marry them.

101% agreed.

MM (in TX)

596 posted on 05/13/2010 7:27:12 PM PDT by MississippiMan (http://gogmagogblog.wordpress.com/)
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To: woofie
Hmmmm.......... a bit too old for that. It was troll dolls......the first go 'round. And baseball cards that smelled like bubble gum!

As you well know, I have a 'sordid' past, woofie.

Especially the elementary school part when I got a "Needs Improving" in "Works quietly without disturbing others"

I'm a real loser, my friend! Can't wait to see what else they 'dig up' from the slime they hang around in.

Of course, now I am probably on an Obama watch list for being a Tea Partier with a pro-life bumper sticker on my car. A mob member and racist terrorist.

(About as true the accusation that I am a "liar." LOL!)

597 posted on 05/13/2010 7:27:25 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: woofie

But Obama being against gay marriage is a total sham. He only said that for electoral purposes. His support for the Calif Sup Court decision imposing gay marriage, and opposition to the popularly passed Amendment overturning it is proof enough. But of course the elephant in this room is the same as it is for all social issues — the Courts.

Obama knows that the leftwing activist judges he is putting on the federal courts all support gay marriage. Sotomayor and Kagan will be guaranteed votes to overturn every traditional marriage law in the country and impose in their place state recognition of gay marriage (or it may be just ‘civil unions’ in the beginning if that is all they can get Anthony Kennedy to go along with, but that is no better since any imposition from the Courts is unjustified). As usual, the courts will do the Democrats dirty work for them, and then the firmly entrenched (though unfounded) system of judicial supremacy will insure that this becomes another Roe vs Wade that is never overturned.

That is why the disastrous 2006 and 2008 elections were so bad; we lost yet another chance to finally right the Court. After the dismal failure of Reagan with O’Connor and Kennedy, and then of Bush with Souter, we stood yet again at the precipice of getting a true conservative majority, and then lost it. We’ll probably never get it back now.

As far as Cheney goes; I’ve never heard him clearly address the issue of the Courts and who should decide the issue. He has said that gay couples should have the same rights as everyone else, but has also said that it should be left to the states. So who knows how he would feel about a Roe-like decision on gay marraige?


598 posted on 05/13/2010 7:32:29 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: NFHale; genetic homophobe; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; dools007; ...
You guys saying those prayers for Laura yet?? Do you need another lecture about this???

How about this : “ .... and please tell Laura Bush not to state her true views on abortion, homosexuality or anything else in public anymore and especially not on all those liberal shows she has been pitching her book on. Please let her stick to her country school-marm apple-pie love-the-children routine so we can all cry again when we read her next book and not think about this embarrassing anti-conservative stuff.

BTW : This is all GHs fault AGAIN. He had to make that funny comment early in the thread and get me started. He is a bad influence.

599 posted on 05/13/2010 7:33:23 PM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: RogerQ

Well Bush was definitely leftwing on immigration.


600 posted on 05/13/2010 7:34:54 PM PDT by Aetius
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