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US Census Workers Knocking on Your Neighbors’ Doors, Looking for Snitches in Memphis
big gov't ^ | 5/14/10 | SusanAnne Hiller

Posted on 05/14/2010 1:21:30 PM PDT by Nachum

Just when we thought flag@whitehouse.gov–which appears to be alive and well when clicked–was scary and invasive–it seems the Obama administration’s Census Bureau has outdone itself. A US census worker, driving a metallic gray Ford Taurus-type car, has been reported to be combing through the Memphis, TN suburb of Germantown knocking on doors asking people for information on their neighbors.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2010census; 2takeprivacyaway; 4thecommongood; census; democrats; getarope; snitches; us; workersdoors
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1 posted on 05/14/2010 1:21:31 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

ESAD would be my response. But then again it wouldn’t be very Christian. Perhaps “I’ll pray for you as you get the heck off my property”


2 posted on 05/14/2010 1:22:32 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Nachum

Just let them try it at my house.


3 posted on 05/14/2010 1:28:42 PM PDT by Reagan69 (Let me know when those insurance premiums go down.)
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To: Nachum

This is standard procedure for the census.


4 posted on 05/14/2010 1:29:59 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: autumnraine

Isn’t this SOP if they don’t get answers at the door after a few attempts?.


5 posted on 05/14/2010 1:31:15 PM PDT by deport
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To: iowamark
It used to didn't be ~ up to about 2 weeks ago in fact. Now it is.

Some suspect it is because preliminary figures indicate millions of missing people ~ the "rapture" perhaps, but most likely in formerly Hispanic neighborhoods where folks have given up and gone back home.

Obama and his people are scared to death they've lost potential voters.

6 posted on 05/14/2010 1:32:03 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: Nachum

funny. one of my leftard co-workers was complaining about being called for additional info from the census folks.

he said it was like being telmarketed by the government.

I told him it was the change he voted for.


7 posted on 05/14/2010 1:34:59 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ("The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants"-Albert Camus)
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To: Nachum
My Shadow will gently escort you from my property , Mr Census Man


8 posted on 05/14/2010 1:36:48 PM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Nachum

I saw one of these guys driving one of those cars one morning when I came back home from taking my wife to school. (I work from home.) He waved at me and then parked out in front of my house for a while. I of course didn’t answer anything on the census except number of people in the house. He didn’t knock on our door or anything. I suppose he knows my race now since he saw me park there.


9 posted on 05/14/2010 1:37:19 PM PDT by klystron
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To: muawiyah

I worked for the 1990 census. We contacted landlords and neighbors of those who did not respond. There was a fair amount of guesswork involved. I imagine the guesswork is much greater today!


10 posted on 05/14/2010 1:38:13 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: Nachum

wow, my brother lives there, I will have to ask him about this.


11 posted on 05/14/2010 1:39:31 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: deport

I turned my Census form in wit hal lof the information required by the law of the land: “2”.

Our census guy came back by and wanted to ask the missus the rest of the questiosn on the short form. She replied that we had already given a sufficient and truthful answer according to the Constitution. So the census guy asked her again, saying that he was obliged to ask twice. And again she refused. Also told him that we weren’t going to respond so kindly next time.

Now we’ll see what’s next.


12 posted on 05/14/2010 1:45:24 PM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: iowamark

“I worked for the 1990 census. We contacted landlords and neighbors of those who did not respond. There was a fair amount of guesswork involved. I imagine the guesswork is much greater today!”

I worked on the 2000 Census, as a supervisor.

It is done based on property addresses, to get the headcounts for each address.

I don’t think “guesswork” to a great degree is legal. They try to avoid double counting/omitting people with 2nd homes, or college students, etc.

I do not recall making things up; as much as that may disappoint folks in some circles.


13 posted on 05/14/2010 1:47:41 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Nachum

So far I have only seen the bus riding goth(sex indeterminate) Census temp pounding on doors in my neighborhood...and I somehow have missed all 3 of its’ visits.


14 posted on 05/14/2010 1:47:58 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (Now that the libs are in power dissent is not only unpatriotic, but, it is also racist.)
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To: Nachum

“Jack” came to visit me on Sunday. I told him I shredded the census and that I wouldn’t give any info but name, age and the fact that I lived here. He said he could ask for info on me from my neighbors. I asked if he was proud to be doing it. The look on his face told me he was ashamed of himself. He said it was the law. I said I would be fine with being made the example. I was wearing my “I’m the NRA in Virginia and I vote.” t-shirt. I don’t trust my neighbors anymore than I trust ole Jack. Doesn’t the Govt. know everything about me anyway and can’t they just make shiit up as they see fit? Isn’t that was the govt. does all the time? Whey do they need this b.s.?


15 posted on 05/14/2010 1:51:11 PM PDT by KingLudd
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To: Nachum

happening in florida also.


16 posted on 05/14/2010 1:51:30 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Noumenon

I turned in my census with only the required information, nothing extraneous. Got a letter in the mail telling me I was required by law to answer, and a second census form to fill in. I trashed it and am waiting for “them” to come for me. I think the first question on that census form should have been, “Are you an American citizen? If not, discard this form”. Why should non-Americans have input? Don’t you think it suspicious they didn’t ask? I figure it was because Obummer then would not have been able to fill it in!


17 posted on 05/14/2010 1:53:02 PM PDT by kiltie65
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To: Noumenon

I turned in my census with only the required information, nothing extraneous. Got a letter in the mail telling me I was required by law to answer, and a second census form to fill in. I trashed it and am waiting for “them” to come for me. I think the first question on that census form should have been, “Are you an American citizen? If not, discard this form”. Why should non-Americans have input? Don’t you think it suspicious they didn’t ask? I figure it was because Obummer then would not have been able to fill it in!


18 posted on 05/14/2010 1:54:12 PM PDT by kiltie65
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To: Nachum

This is standard procedure for the census and has been for hundreds of years now. There are marks in census records from the early 1800’s when the labor workers were in the fields and couldn’t answer that they would contact a neighbor to gather the information.


19 posted on 05/14/2010 1:56:13 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: All

This is standard procedure for the census and has been for hundreds of years now. There are marks in census records from the early 1800’s when the labor workers were in the fields and couldn’t answer that they would contact a neighbor to gather the information.

P.S. The official SOP is to leave two Notice of Visits and if no one is home on the third physical visit (the max number of times allowed), then the worker must attempt to find a proxy for that address.


20 posted on 05/14/2010 1:57:17 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Noumenon
I don't know the process that they use but I pinged Autumnraine as I think she works for the US Census. I know they make a certain number of attempts, ask the neighbors I believe and finally move on down the road at some point.

What I afraid will happen this time is that they won't get a high enough return of respondents with answers and at thus at some point will begin to make educated guesses. I don't like bureaucrats guessing at the number of representatives being apportioned to the Congress. Conservative areas will lose for sure imo.

21 posted on 05/14/2010 1:59:26 PM PDT by deport
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To: deport
Isn’t this SOP if they don’t get answers at the door after a few attempts?.

Yes, it's SOP and was in 2000 and I'm sure earlier. They basically ask such questions as: does anyone live in the residence in question (often no one does), if so when are they normally home so I can come back, etc., such questions aimed only at learning whether or not specific residences are occupied, and when the residents might normally be at home.

Worked during the 2000 Census. 95% plus very friendly and cooperative. Three or so refusals to respond and one resident that never would answer door.

22 posted on 05/14/2010 2:06:12 PM PDT by Will88
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To: kiltie65
What is the minimal amount of information we are required by law to give?
23 posted on 05/14/2010 2:08:56 PM PDT by diamond6 (Pray the Rosary to defeat communism and Obamacare!!)
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To: deport

I don’t like bureaucrats guessing at the number of representatives being apportioned to the Congress. Conservative areas will lose for sure imo.

And I don’t like illegals being included at all...beins as how its for apportionment of representation and all.
You are 100% right that conservatives will lose....


24 posted on 05/14/2010 2:12:11 PM PDT by Adder (Proudly ignoring Zero since 1-20-09! WTFU!)
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To: Nachum

Well, the census worker came to my house and accused me of not returning my form. I hotly exclaimed that I had returned it on April 1.

“Oh, that’s late,” sez he.

“Late?” I exclaimed. “How could it be late? The question was who is living at this address on April 1? How could I return it any earlier? Is the government STUPID?”

As the gentleman tried to control himself from laughing, he replied, “Ma’am, I’m not allowed to answer that question. But, I’ll have to ask you all these questions over again.”

As I protested, I pointed out that had I returned the form any earlier than April 1, I would be lying because one of us could have died, or someone could have come to live with us between whenever I mailed the form and April 1. Then, the form would be inaccurate.


25 posted on 05/14/2010 2:14:53 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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The Census field work is really in two parts:

1. A census of residences, where maps from the previous census are reviewed and updated using various records, and some census workers also do field work. That took place in late 2009 and early 2010.

2. The forms are sent out after that is completed, to all the residences, and the returned forms are entered into computers.

3. Then census workers go out to visit the residences (addresses) for which the form was not returned.


26 posted on 05/14/2010 2:20:07 PM PDT by Will88
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To: deport

Yes, it is deport. Believe you me, as much as I hate this administration and as paranoid as I am, I would be posting vanity after vanity if I saw something hokey going on.

Now what they do AFTER they get the numbers is something else entirely.


27 posted on 05/14/2010 2:21:35 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Nachum

The comments on that site are ridiculous. Uninformed, hysterical people making incorrect statements and acting like this is the first time a census has been held for crying out loud.


28 posted on 05/14/2010 2:26:15 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Jvette

It will be true the same way it would be true for every other city in the United States. It’s been SOP for 200 years now to contact proxies if you cannot obtain the information. If the house appears abandoned, we go to the tax assessors office to verify it is still listed as a housing unit.


29 posted on 05/14/2010 2:27:57 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: autumnraine

OH, ok, I’ve never had a census worker come to my home, but then, I sent the form in before April.


30 posted on 05/14/2010 2:30:03 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: muawiyah

It’s in training manuals that they finalized a year ago.


31 posted on 05/14/2010 2:34:12 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Will88

Yep, ‘cept your #1 took place just about a year ago.


32 posted on 05/14/2010 2:36:03 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: deport; All

“What I afraid will happen this time is that they won’t get a high enough return of respondents with answers and at thus at some point will begin to make educated guesses. I don’t like bureaucrats guessing at the number of representatives being apportioned to the Congress. Conservative areas will lose for sure imo. “

You are exactly right deport. It scares me when conservatives won’t fill out the population information because that means the ones who do are lefties. WE want to be counted too, but the paranoia is going to cause many communities to lose. The number of Representatives is an important part of our Republic. I understand that the ‘only thing the constitution requires is a number, not age and name, blah blah blah’, but if you stop and think about it, do you really just want that? What’s to stop people from claiming 45 people live in this house, 72 in another and so on. I feel more comfortable actually getting information because when you just leave it to a number, the numbers will be fudged much easier. Not to conservatives benefit either.

Another thing that irks me a little is the assumption that if a person works for the Census, then they are an ACORN employee or something. That has been the fear for a long time, but I assure you that it is not the case. I would estimate 99% of the people in my district are anti-Obama, some (mostly retired) people who felt it a patriotic duty themselves to see that it was done properly. The Crew Leader in my district is the head of the Republican Party in her county.

Some of the posts here at Free Republic (and most especially at the Big Government site) are like the old game “Gossip” where speculation and fear has turned into “this happened to my friend/neighbor/cousin/etc...”


33 posted on 05/14/2010 2:36:40 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: driftdiver

Today I thought about what I would say to the census taker when or if I come face to face with one. I would first ask him if he believes that the person who pays his salary is his boss and if his boss has the authority to tell him what to do. If he answers yes I would ask him who it is who pays his salary. Since that would be me I would tell him to leave and to not bother me anymore.


34 posted on 05/14/2010 2:37:18 PM PDT by 1raider1
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To: 1raider1

What would be the point to being so hateful and cocky about it? Most of these people (including myself) are just trying to make a paycheck for a few weeks while it lasts. All you have to say is “I refuse to answer” and that’s that. Your neighbors will be asked and if they refuse, it’s the end of it. We are trained to just make a notation of the refusal and move on. I haven’t seen them training for some goons to show up to people’s houses for refusing, so I assume you’ll be safe.


35 posted on 05/14/2010 2:41:09 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Jvette

As someone who does genealogical research on my family tree, your great great grandkids will appreciate that you send yours in.


36 posted on 05/14/2010 2:42:19 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: autumnraine

I already answered all of the questions I intended to answer when I sent the form back. Why did I get a note on my door yesterday telling me that a taker had been there and that I needed to complete the form?


37 posted on 05/14/2010 2:48:35 PM PDT by 1raider1
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To: KingLudd

HA!!


38 posted on 05/14/2010 2:49:05 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: autumnraine

There are other ways to be noted in historical records.........


39 posted on 05/14/2010 2:50:45 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: 9YearLurker
It's "the how", not "the what". They've always proxied ~ but not by going door to door inquiring about the neighbors (for most of a century).

Landlords, postal carriers, delivery guys, people out and about are fair game for making an inquiry ~ so are folks at the desk in hotels (of any kind).

40 posted on 05/14/2010 2:51:54 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: 1raider1

Because if you sent the form in and it was incomplete, you might as well have not done it. If you refuse to answer anymore, so be it. But they will still come to your house. And sometimes it’s just a matter of getting crossed in the mail. We’ve had some who mailed it in and it wasn’t put in the system before the addresses were assigned out.


41 posted on 05/14/2010 2:55:24 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: autumnraine

Another thing that irks me a little is the assumption that if a person works for the Census, then they are an ACORN employee or something. That has been the fear for a long time, but I assure you that it is not the case.


That maybe the case in some locals especially where the make up is heavily democrats. However I know several people who are working for the Census and I can assure that isn’t the case with them. The top dog for this area I know personally and have spent hours with him. He’s about as anti Obama as one can get.

Take care....


42 posted on 05/14/2010 2:56:00 PM PDT by deport
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To: muawiyah

Actually they limit what postal carriers can be asked.


43 posted on 05/14/2010 2:56:51 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Well, the census worker came to my house and accused me of not returning my form. I hotly exclaimed that I had returned it on April 1.

We just had the exact same thing happen to us last week. The girl showed up just as we were leaving the house. She introduced herself as she walked up and told us that she had to ask us a few questions. I told her we had sent it in early April. She then tells me that it must have gotten lost in the mail and that it would just take about ten minutes. I told her that we already did our part and we had to leave as we were already late.

So she follows us to our car while pointedly informing us that we are required by Federal law to comply. I again pointed out that we already complied when we delivered it to the US Post office. She told us that she would be back. It really bothers me though that they ask all of these race questions and such but not even one line asking citizenship.

44 posted on 05/14/2010 2:59:19 PM PDT by SirFishalot
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To: autumnraine
The first enumeration, in 1790, included very probing questions about "property" ~ particular the number of slaves you owned, their names, ages, etc.

Of course that was the one done by the Founding Fathers so what did they know about counting heads.

BTW, the other evening I was looking for a number ~ the population of Great Britain in 1775 ~ to use in a discussion on FR. Intriguingly UK didn't have a census ~ it had partial counts, and estimates, and various claims advanced by the parties, but not the real deal.

The estimate of UK population varied from 3.5 million to 7.0 million at that time. The United States of America ALSO had a population that was estimated at something like the same figure (depending on who got counted and where).

Parliament had no representation from America.

Having a census was a big deal to the Revolutionary Founding Fathers. Not having a census was an equally big deal to the Tories in London!

UK finally had a regular census in 1841 ~ Parliament was transformed in the next election.

Having a full census, including the enumeration of property and conditions would seem to be a fundamental Civil Right which no real Conservative should reject.

45 posted on 05/14/2010 2:59:26 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: 9YearLurker
There's a fundamental question USPS carriers know that virtually no one else ever knows ~ if there's an empty dwelling unit, was it occupied April 1, or was it vacant.
46 posted on 05/14/2010 3:02:23 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: muawiyah

You are exactly right! That’s a point I’ve been trying to make here for a few weeks now. In researching family trees, I can tell you that the information requested in the early 1800’s was far more extensive. They even asked where you born, where your parents were born, your occupation, parents occupation, etc...

The only thing they ask now is name, age and race. Oh, and if you own your home free and clear, own with a mortgage or rent. I think that is for statistical purposes though and isn’t so important that they would send someone to your house if you left it off the form.


47 posted on 05/14/2010 3:06:47 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: 9YearLurker
Yep, ‘cept your #1 took place just about a year ago.

I think that varies based on population density, or how long it takes to survey a particular area. In my area of small towns and rural areas, most of that work was done in the second half of 2009.

48 posted on 05/14/2010 3:08:27 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88

Really? Didn’t realize.


49 posted on 05/14/2010 3:12:21 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Nachum

The Census 2000 long form would have been fairly irritating to fill out (not sure what is used for 2000), but I’ve always found the census short forms far less intrusive and irritating than filing an income tax return.


50 posted on 05/14/2010 3:13:36 PM PDT by Will88
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