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Mitt Romney Not Eligible?
May 19, 2010 | Chatter

Posted on 05/18/2010 9:25:22 PM PDT by chatter4

Here is a real mess, that is much more confusing than Obama's ineligiblity.

It has occurred to me that Mitt Romney, may not be a natural born citizen, and may not even be a US citizen. I'll give the facts as I know them, and let you all research the Immigration Laws.

When Congress started cracking down on polygamy, Miles Park Romney (Mitt Romney's great-grandfather) and many other families, left the United States, 5 March 1885, moved to Mexico and began their own settlement.

Mitt Romney's paternal grandfather Gaskell Romney (1871–1955), fathered George Wilcken Romney, however, remained in Mexico until events during the Mexican Revolution forced his family to move back to the United States, when his son was still young. The year they moved back is unknown, but, the revolution started in 1910.

Mitt Romney's father, George Wilcken Romney (July 8, 1907 – July 26, 1995) was born in Colonia Dublán, Galeana, in the Mexican state of Chihuahua – one of the Mormon colonies in Mexico – on July 8, 1907.

Here is the core issue. Under today's immigration law, Gaskell Romney would be considered a US citizen, because both of his parents were citizens, both of whom, did live for a while in the United States, however, his son, George Wilcken Romney was born in Mexico, to US citizen parents who had not yet spent one day on US soil. So exactly what was George Wilcken Romney true citizenship status? I believe that he would have been required to apply for naturalization, but he did not. How can Mitt Romney be considered a natural born citizen, when his father was possibly an illegal alien , and not a US citizen?


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To: chatter4

Read post 28, can’t you figure out what it says?


51 posted on 05/18/2010 10:14:05 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: Red Steel

Good article. However, it states that Mitt’s dad was a dual citizen. I don’t know what that means for Mitt.


52 posted on 05/18/2010 10:17:00 PM PDT by TwoLegsGood ("...my sin is ever before me" - King David)
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To: amihow
The whole thing is an allusion to Revelation, it's full of references. "Spirit of the world," 2,000 years (of Christianity ... seems reasonably clear to me.

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the center cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

53 posted on 05/18/2010 10:21:24 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: TwoLegsGood

All that means anything to the son of George Romney as far as eligibility is that George Romney was a citizen as was his wife, at the time of their son’s birth in the United States.


54 posted on 05/18/2010 10:23:23 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: chatter4
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55 posted on 05/18/2010 10:24:22 PM PDT by Illuminatas (Obama - Dumber Than Bush!)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Check. Thanks.

Interesting factoid tho, that George Romney was ineligible for the Office of the President, according to that cited Congressional record.

The beauty of those men who actually argued and thought through the issues of that day in Congress is astounding — in contrast.


56 posted on 05/18/2010 10:33:06 PM PDT by TwoLegsGood ("...my sin is ever before me" - King David)
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To: Red Steel

Thank you sir. It’s good to see, there are still a few people that can actually deal with the facts.


57 posted on 05/18/2010 10:37:05 PM PDT by chatter4
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To: lmr
Posts like this are killing FreeRepublic. This is the 2nd kooky conspiracy post I’ve seen this evening. I suppose if one points out that this is crackpot stuff on par with 9-11 troofer toadies, they are automatically a Romneybot, right? Whatever. I don’t care for Romney at all, can find at least a dozen reasons not to vote for him and would never do it, but I refuse to let go of reason and become a laughingstock. I often wonder if the the originators of these types of posts aren’t just lefty trolls hijacking the site. If so, I’ll bet they think they are being real clever, because at the least, they are wasting everyone’s time here and, at the most, they are tainting this place to such a degree that it’s affected the credibility and integrity of this once-great site.


58 posted on 05/18/2010 10:38:18 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: chatter4

No problem. I deal with the un-factual just about everyday.


59 posted on 05/18/2010 10:39:35 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: lmr

We’re talking Mitt Romney, His Weirdness.


60 posted on 05/18/2010 10:42:22 PM PDT by Leisler
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To: Secret Agent Man
Masscare IS Obamacare,
I like it, call it Massa-care
61 posted on 05/18/2010 10:43:14 PM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: Talisker

LOL!


62 posted on 05/18/2010 10:44:52 PM PDT by lmr (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: ansel12

Everybody else in America thinks that it was because of the brainwashing comment and low polling numbers, what is your source for this new theory?

See the link at comment 47. It is right in the Congressional record that G.W. Romney was not eligible.


63 posted on 05/18/2010 10:45:01 PM PDT by chatter4
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To: chatter4
The Mittwit was born in Detroit. So, case closed: he's eligible, silly birfers notwithstanding.

But not to worry, he's not going to be president. Not with health care front and center. He can argue all he wants about how Romneycare != Obamacare, but the fine points will be lost in the noise.

64 posted on 05/18/2010 10:47:07 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Red Steel

Thank you for posting this important link.

Why has today’s Congress forgotten this debate? People apparently thought MUCH more clearly back in 1967.

I remember in school we were taught about what a natural born citizen of the U.S. was and I believe Romney’s name was part of this discussion.


65 posted on 05/18/2010 10:49:57 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: joseph20

Mitt Romney’s father, George, was Governor of Michigan and a serious candidate for President. This is getting beyond the absurd.


66 posted on 05/18/2010 10:51:25 PM PDT by Cincinna (TIME TO REBUILD * ? * RYAN * 2012)
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To: chatter4

That seems to be nothing more than the usual practice of someone getting something into the congressional record, it did not have anything to do with, or interfere with George Romney’s campaigning.


67 posted on 05/18/2010 10:53:03 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: Cincinna

Mitt Romney’s father, George, was Governor of Michigan and a serious candidate for President.

Yes, but he was NOT eligible for office.


68 posted on 05/18/2010 10:57:18 PM PDT by chatter4
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To: Cincinna
"Mitt Romney’s father, George, was Governor of Michigan and a serious candidate for President. This is getting beyond the absurd."

Okay. But was he a citizen of the United States of America?
69 posted on 05/18/2010 10:58:57 PM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: thecodont; Red Steel
Why has today’s Congress forgotten this debate? People apparently thought MUCH more clearly back in 1967.

What debate? I didn't see a debate, it was just a guy reading something into the congressional record.

70 posted on 05/18/2010 10:58:58 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: chatter4

Huckabee, is that you?


71 posted on 05/18/2010 11:00:53 PM PDT by Gator113 (I do not want Obama just IMPEACHED... I want him IMPRISONED. Are we there yet? 2010-2012)
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To: ansel12

That George Romney wasn’t eligible to be President. He was born in Mexico.


72 posted on 05/18/2010 11:32:23 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: chatter4

You are a professional....


73 posted on 05/18/2010 11:33:32 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: SatinDoll

His father ran for President in 1968, what was said about it then?


74 posted on 05/18/2010 11:34:50 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: ansel12

That he was born in Mexico and not eligible to be President.


75 posted on 05/18/2010 11:36:11 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: SatinDoll

I don’t recall any big stories on it, do you?


76 posted on 05/18/2010 11:40:53 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: Cincinna

Look, just because George Romney was an ambitious man who wanted power doesn’t mean he automatically was eligible. One of the requirements to be President is that you must be a natural born citizen of the United States.

George Rommey was born in Mexico during 1907. He wasn’t eligible even though he ran for the office and was defeated.

What can I say? People were smarter then than now.


77 posted on 05/18/2010 11:42:05 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: ansel12

I remember my father discussing it at home.

Hell, McCain was born in the Republic of Panama. No part of Panamanian soil has ever been U.S. territory.

You recall any big stories on McCain not being eligible? I know he wasn’t eligible to President due to article 12, but no big stories made it into the MSM, did they?


78 posted on 05/18/2010 11:45:23 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: SatinDoll

So you think that McCain would have been blocked from the Presidency if he had been elected as the Republican President of the United States, I doubt it.


79 posted on 05/18/2010 11:48:31 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: chatter4

“His father dropped out of the race, when it was pointed out that he was born in Mexico.”

Wrong. He dropped out because he was incredibly far behind Nixon in 1968.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Romney


80 posted on 05/19/2010 12:23:05 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: lmr
This is the 2nd kooky conspiracy post I’ve seen this evening.

Only the 2nd? I'm expecting a merger of FR with InfoWars.

81 posted on 05/19/2010 12:34:02 AM PDT by browardchad ("Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own fact." - Daniel P Moynihan)
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To: ansel12

“So you think that McCain would have been blocked from the Presidency if he had been elected as the Republican President of the United States, I doubt it.”

Wasn’t it taken up in Congress and determined McCain was deemed to be qualified?

(...and I read the Congressional Record about his father, and CR is NOT law or definitive at all. They can scan Wheaties box pictures into the CR).

From what I read, it was never brought up during the campaigns as a serious challenge to George Romney’s eligibility. Mitt Romney is eligible, born on US soil to two citizen parents.

The CR indicates that “natural born” meant “native born.”


82 posted on 05/19/2010 12:42:19 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: chatter4
So know we all know why Bad governor Mitt Romney
and his band of RomneyBOTs , assassins-for-Romney, and monkeys, have
1) always viciously and continuusly attacked those Americans
who DEMAND a birth certificate for Obama
and 2) have always tried to bring illegal alien Mexicans
into Massachusetts and USA to destroy medical care:
83 posted on 05/19/2010 4:20:19 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Article IV - Section 4 - The United States … shall protect each of them against Invasion)
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To: Star Traveler

Let’s keep this thing going. Sooner or later the State-run media will pick up on this and give it legs. After all, it is all about a Republican who may or may not be a natural born citizen. If we stay on this long enough and work hard enough, we can have a “60-minutes” type show do a special segment on their investigation into Romney.


84 posted on 05/19/2010 4:27:49 AM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: chatter4

Utah became a state in 1896, the romneys left in 1885, so were not US citizens. Mitt would be an anchor baby. It’s a real technicality but people have been executed on technicalities. The Constitution, love it or delete it!


85 posted on 05/19/2010 5:04:56 AM PDT by DCmarcher-976453 (SARAH PALIN 2012)
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To: RegulatorCountry
Under the power enumerated by the Constitution to the Legislative Branch, from 1795 on to the present day, children born abroad to United States citizens are themselves citizens. This was the law according to the Naturalization Act of 1795 and every such Act since that time.

Well -- that settles that.

Next ---

86 posted on 05/19/2010 5:15:17 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Mr. Wright

NYT headline”Romney anchor baby from Mexican illegals”, they will use it if he gets the nomination.


87 posted on 05/19/2010 6:26:54 AM PDT by DCmarcher-976453 (SARAH PALIN 2012)
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To: LucyT; BP2; rxsid; null and void; Candor7

ping


88 posted on 05/19/2010 7:12:56 AM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping List-freepmail me to be included or removed. <{{{><)
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To: Mr. Wright
Romney has a history of using fake documents and badges.

Romney aide’s bogus badges: Sources detail ‘illegal’ security tactic

" Boston Herald - Friday, July 20, 2007
In an apparent violation of the law, a controverisal aide to ex-Gov. Mitt Romney
created phony law enforcement badges that he and other staffers used on the campaign trail

to strong-arm reporters, avoid paying tolls and trick security guards
into giving them immediate access to campaign venues, sources told the Herald.
They (the aides) knew the badges were fake and probably illegal,”
said a presidential campaign source who asked for anonymity
because the story could damage the individual’s career.
Two additional sources confirmed that the badges - described as bright silver plates with a state seal attached -
were first created and used by Garrity while Romney was still governor."

FAKE TROOPER (and Chief of Operations)

More here

More here - Romney aide is the focus of probe

Romney aide accused of faking badges


89 posted on 05/19/2010 8:15:44 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Article IV - Section 4 - The United States … shall protect each of them against Invasion)
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To: chatter4

Gaskell and George Romney were born in Utah—1871 and 1873. Utah became a State long after they moved to Mexico. They were not US citizens nor were their children. Mitt’s father George was born in Mexico and the family moved to Utah well after Utah had become a state. Mitt is an anchor baby,and his parents apparently never even became naturalized citizens.


90 posted on 05/19/2010 2:53:38 PM PDT by DCmarcher-976453 (SARAH PALIN 2012)
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To: chatter4

I know this is crazy but if Mitt fell on his sword and made a really BIG deal about the fact that he was not a Natural born citizen because his father was not technically a citizen it would really turn attention on to bo’s pedigree.We know that there is no honor among real politicians and even less courage,their egos always seem to get in the way.OK, I’m going back to the SYFY channel now!


91 posted on 05/20/2010 7:15:05 AM PDT by DCmarcher-976453 (SARAH PALIN 2012)
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To: DCmarcher-976453

I don’t think it would. When the Rats had a Congressman who was having sex with a male underage intern, they circled the wagons and the press went, “Well la-de-dah.” When a Republican was caught making suggestive test messages to an intern that was a legal adult, the press covered it until he resigned from congress.
The press will never cover Obama negatively. If Romney fell on his sword, they would hammer him until his political career was destroyed, but nothing will ever drag them into investigating the Bamster’s background. Nothing.
They learned their lesson with Lewinski and Clinton. They let themselves get dragged into reporting the absolute least they could on the affair. This legitimized it to the people who don’t pay much attention and allowed the story to gain traction. Their new tactic is that no matter what the evidence, they will pretend negative information about Obama does not exist.
For them, it’s all about helping Obama achieve his objectives and throwing everything else down the memory hole.


92 posted on 05/20/2010 7:22:52 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Richard Kimball

It would help.

Imagine Romney actually helping.
No one else can.

Imagine Romney taking responsibility.
No one else can.


93 posted on 05/21/2010 4:22:55 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Article IV - Section 4 - The United States … shall protect each of them against Invasion)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

“Birtherism is mutating...”

After all the money and effort the Bamtard has spent keeping his supposed Hawaiian birth certificate out of the public view, you still don’t suspect he has a reason for hiding it?

Why would he go to all that trouble when he could make so many enemies look ridiculous just by releasing it? If, of course, it’s on the up-and-up. Instead, he has reportedly spent in the neighborhood of a million simoleons on attorney fees.

Those are not the actions of a man with nothing to hide.


94 posted on 09/15/2010 6:24:45 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: chatter4

Quixotic argument. Find another windmill. Citizenship is irrelevant. See 0bama.


95 posted on 09/15/2010 6:28:18 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (TV News is an oxymoron. MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: lmr
This is just birther “logic” taken to its reducto ad absurdum.

0bama isn't a NBC.

McCain isn't a NBC.

Pawlenty isn't a NBC.

Romney isn't a NBC.

I heard one go on about how a NBC was a child, born in America of two NBC’s. I mean why not, as long as you are making up a definition! Only problem with that one is you would have to hunt up the vanishingly few Americans who do not have a grandparent or great-grandparent or great to the nth power grandparent who was naturalized as a citizen, and make them run for President (and ensure they only mate with other NBC’s before they go extinct).

Between the UFO kooks and the birthers, this site has its fill of fruits and nuts.

96 posted on 09/15/2010 6:34:42 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: DCmarcher-976453

“Utah became a state in 1896, the romneys left in 1885, so were not US citizens. Mitt would be an anchor baby. It’s a real technicality but people have been executed on technicalities. The Constitution, love it or delete it!”

I agree with you and I don’t consider myself a flake or nut.

However, We,as good Americans,should prove our Candidates are NBC to the same extent that we would expect the Dems to prove their Candidates eligibility. You either support the Constitution or you don’t.


97 posted on 01/05/2012 2:00:53 PM PST by TNoldman (AN AMERICAN FOR A MUSLIM/BHO FREE AMERICA.)
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To: DCmarcher-976453

“Utah became a state in 1896, the romneys left in 1885, so were not US citizens. Mitt would be an anchor baby. It’s a real technicality but people have been executed on technicalities. The Constitution, love it or delete it!”

I agree with you and I don’t consider myself a flake or nut.

However, We,as good Americans,should prove our Candidates are NBC to the same extent that we would expect the Dems to prove their Candidates eligibility. You either support the Constitution or you don’t.


98 posted on 01/05/2012 2:01:10 PM PST by TNoldman (AN AMERICAN FOR A MUSLIM/BHO FREE AMERICA.)
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