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Obama Risks a Domestic Military Intervention
TPM ^ | 5/1/109 | John L. Perry

Posted on 05/19/2010 11:22:07 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun

There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America's military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the "Obama problem." Don't dismiss it as unrealistic.

America isn't the Third World. If a military coup does occur here it will be civilized. That it has never happened doesn't mean it wont. Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it. So, view the following through military eyes:

(Excerpt) Read more at talkingpointsmemo.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: bhodod; certifigate; constitution; coup; doitnow; eligibility; fifth100days; intervention; marxism; military; naturalborncitizen; obama; spreadthewealth; troops; uncoupdetat; zot
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To: darkside321
I agree but do you really belive that since Obama has been voted as US president that it would be able to prove that he is no us citizen?

The requirement is to be a Natural Born Citizen. Not just a citizen. Arnold and Henry Kissinger are citizens, but they are not eligible to the office of President.

So, the Vote, trumps all? I don't think so.

In fact the founders were quite concerned that some day it might, and why they created a Republic, with limited and defined powers. They put in the natural born citizen requirement for fear of foreign influence in our government. Their concerns wer well founded it seems.

201 posted on 05/19/2010 7:01:25 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: anniegetyourgun

He isn’t going to pass a damn thing in his agenda without a tame and compliant Congress either.

Get real. And so what if he vetoes things? Sometimes gridlock is a good thing and with this extremist in the White House, gridlock is a VERY good thing.


202 posted on 05/19/2010 7:02:38 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (There is no truth to the rumor that Ted Kennedy was buried at sea.....)
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To: anniegetyourgun

How about our intelligence agencies just doing their job to protect and defend this country from our enemies both foreign and domestic. Domestic is the foremost issue. Someone cleansed the Fuhrer’s life and sealed everything related to his shadow life. If our top spies can’t find expose the lies, who can?


203 posted on 05/19/2010 7:06:51 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead (Clean the RAT/RINO Sewer in 2010 and 2012)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Top military officers would not even consider this unless there was no question an overwhelming majority of the public would be behind them.

However, that’s simply not going to happen unless a LOT of people die under Obama’s incompetence, and he starts issuing orders in direct violation of the constitution.

Unfortunately, by that time, most of the highest ranking officers that could pull this off will be replaced... if they havn’t been already.

So don’t hold your breath on this one... although it’s still plausible.


204 posted on 05/19/2010 7:11:01 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: reagan4palin

Radical fringe group that wants to defend and uphold the Constitution and not obey orders that are against the Constitution.


205 posted on 05/19/2010 7:17:12 PM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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To: Star Traveler
In that case, the people to go after would be the ones who certified his candidacy, sans documentation. But according to you, in order to see the documents proving (or even disproving) that a crime took place, one would have to obtain a conviction, or at least the documents themselves, which have been conveniently sealed by...Obama.

Convenient? Coincidence? Or cause for concern?

I find it interesting that the media who brazenly made up documents about President Bush's past berate those who call for the release of those which actually document Obama's, but in all fairness, they made up at least one for him, too.

206 posted on 05/19/2010 7:22:46 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Noumenon

>Obama Risks a Domestic Military Intervention
I pray for this each and every day.
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Me too. Also ask prayers from St Sara Palin, patron saint of Alaska for guidance...


207 posted on 05/19/2010 7:28:35 PM PDT by max americana
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To: gieriscm

ping


208 posted on 05/19/2010 7:31:47 PM PDT by BCR #226 (07/02 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: MikefromOhio

I’ll bet you thought he’d never get “healthcare reform” passed either.


209 posted on 05/19/2010 7:44:18 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun
That explains it.

Maybe you should have figured that out before you posted it -- without the header explaining where TPM got it.

You fell right into the left's trap -- now they can quote the article as it appeared on Free Republic, instead of one that disappeared from NewsMax.

Congratulations.

210 posted on 05/19/2010 7:51:37 PM PDT by browardchad ("Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own fact." - Daniel P Moynihan)
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To: happyathome

Thats an easy fix.If there is a coup round up all the leftist newspaper types and that will fix that little problem.


211 posted on 05/19/2010 7:52:03 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: anniegetyourgun

short term coup? registered Democrats purged from the US military? Hmmmmmmmmmm.


212 posted on 05/19/2010 7:53:15 PM PDT by rrrod
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To: Doc Savage

Right you are Doc.


213 posted on 05/19/2010 7:54:24 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: XRdsRev

The flag and general officer corps to name one group.


214 posted on 05/19/2010 7:56:08 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: browardchad

Generated good discussion....but feel free to have mods remove the thread if you like.


215 posted on 05/19/2010 7:57:13 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun

FL...that explains more.


216 posted on 05/19/2010 7:59:41 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Amos the Prophet
The more likely scenario is a ganging up by the Congress and SC invoking military support for a removal from office.

That would be the Honduran model. Picture Zero arriving in Caracas still in his pajamas!


217 posted on 05/19/2010 8:27:54 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: anniegetyourgun
Browardchad is a troll....don't worry about it.

What it says is absurd and who cares what loons on the left think. That's what trolls want people to think. TPM got it from NewsMax where it originated.

And BTW, this story was first posted on September 29, 2009 on FR ...seven and a half months ago...so it's not going anywhere.

Obama Risks a Domestic Military ‘Intervention’

Carry on anniegetyourgun. ;-)

218 posted on 05/19/2010 8:30:55 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: spookie
He is not eligible to assume the presidency under Art II Section 1. That is the basis for any action.

That would be the basis for taking action under Article I, Sections 2 and 3.

Say it were shown beyond a reasonable doubt that Zero was actually born in Kenya to BHO, Sr., and a trollop from Liverpool. That would make him ineligible for sure. Where would the case end up? Not the Supreme Court. Under Article I, they don't have the authority to remove him. It would be up to the House and Senate, solely.

Of course, if the Congress didn't up and oust him pronto, maybe a general contemplating his oath might feel compelled to act.

But the above is strictly hypothetical, since, since despite rumors to the contrary, Zero was actually born in Honolulu.

219 posted on 05/19/2010 8:44:14 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: darkside321
It´s still a democratic republic!

No. It's a constitutional representative republic.

220 posted on 05/19/2010 8:57:23 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: cynwoody

The more likely scenario is a ganging up by the Congress and SC invoking military support for a removal from office.
That would be the Honduran model. Picture Zero arriving in Caracas still in his pajamas!

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The military did not follow orders in Hondorus. They were supposed to take the president into custody to be held for trial as an enemy of the Constitution. That would be the preferable scenario here.


221 posted on 05/19/2010 9:04:30 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (He is the son of soulless slavers, not the son of soulful slaves.)
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To: Star Traveler; anniegetyourgun

Here’s another “coup”(?)!!!

http://www.usofearth.com/2011-obamas-coup-fails.php


222 posted on 05/19/2010 9:10:46 PM PDT by danamco (")
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To: MikefromOhio

Ever hear of an executive order?


223 posted on 05/19/2010 9:14:02 PM PDT by Natural Born 54
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To: Amos the Prophet
The military did not follow orders in Hondorus. They were supposed to take the president into custody to be held for trial as an enemy of the Constitution.

You got that right. From Article I, Section 3:

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

So, I guess that rules out shipping him to Caracas in his pajamas. Drat.

224 posted on 05/19/2010 9:15:02 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: oldfart; anniegetyourgun

Isn’t Glenn Book kind of talking in these lanes???


225 posted on 05/19/2010 9:18:57 PM PDT by danamco (")
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To: Star Traveler; ChurtleDawg; anniegetyourgun

Now you start printing in blue again, you better be careful not to enter into the territory where Jim Robinson will slap you on the hands!!!


226 posted on 05/19/2010 9:29:47 PM PDT by danamco (")
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To: danamco

That was an urban myth ... :-)


227 posted on 05/19/2010 9:34:21 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Really, do want us to go back a week or two ago???


228 posted on 05/19/2010 9:51:39 PM PDT by danamco (")
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To: danamco
You must have missed my discussion comments to Jim Robinson, then -- not too long ago ... :-) ... Here's what I posted in regards to Jim Robinson's post on the "natural born" status of Obama ...

Re: Obama's birth and qualifications for the presidency

At Post #76 ...



Anyone who has been an "honest-to-goodness FReeper" here would ever disagree with the goal of removing Obama from office. As far as I can see, that's never been the issue -- that is -- some disagreement in that some say he should not be removed from office and others saying that he should be removed.

It's always come down to the question of how? ... that's all the argument has ever been here... nothing more and nothing less.

And the issue has somewhat "divided" into two sub-categories, too. One category has been to "see the birth certificate" and the second category is his "natural born status" per his father's citizenship.

The first category has been totally unsuccesful in seeing the birth certificate (which I've asked for, prior to the election, but saw that fail). That's why I have always said that the solution for the first category is to make it a state law to require a candidate's birth certificate to be shown, or else he cannot be on the ballot. That's a "structural way" to definitely get the birth certificate out in public -- guaranteed, 100%.

However, I don't think the real issue with Obama's qualifications per the Constitution is going to be solved by seeing the birth certificate. I think all that anyone is going to see is that Obama was born in Hawaii and that his father was not a citizen of the U.S. at the time he was born.

So, that brings up the second category (of this overall issue) -- that "natural born status" of Obama, given that his father was not a U.S. citizen at the time Obama was born.

To me, that's been the "crux of the issue" all along.

And that brings me right back to the "how" question. I've said in several posts that the "how" would have to be -- some case brought before the court, in which you know either side would not "give up" and would thus "appeal" the case -- and therefore, it would be appealed all the way up to the Supreme Court, for a decision on that court case.

That's the "how" of the matter as I see it. But, I don't look at that particular "how" -- to be very comforting or reassuring or likely to succeed in getting Obama out of office. For one thing, one doesn't even know if the Supreme Court will even "hear" such a case. They should..., but one just doesn't know.

Remember, I believe that not a single person here (who is a FReeper) wants to keep Obama in office, the only real question is how to get him out of office.

I've posted recently that from my viewpoint it will take two things to get Obama out of office. One is getting that state law passed that requires a candidate to show his birth certificate or else he cannot be on the ballot in that state.

The second is to "vote him out of office" -- because I don't see a Supreme Court decision coming sooner than the next Presidential Election arrives. So, I expect to see the next Presidential Election as the next opportunity to get Obama out of office.

BUT, if someone else has some methodology to do that sooner, then they better get to working mighty fast, because the next Presidential Election is not going to be that far away. I believe "campaigning" for it -- will begin in maybe 12 months from now, with "candidates" who are undeclared (but you know they're "running") doing so right now.


229 posted on 05/19/2010 10:04:16 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: darkside321

You are deluding yourself.


230 posted on 05/19/2010 10:05:16 PM PDT by mojitojoe (banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: danamco
Really, do want us to go back a week or two ago???


ST sure knows how to bring it out.

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"To: Star Traveler

Turns out you’re noting but a big government statist yourself. No wonder you love that bitch.

159 posted on Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:28:38 AM by Jim Robinson (JUST VOTE THEM OUT! teapartyexpress.org)"

231 posted on 05/19/2010 10:05:24 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel; danamco
You were saying ...

ST sure knows how to bring it out.

Oh... LOL ... you're talking about my backing Sarah Palin and her endorsement of Carly Fiorina in the California Senatorial race -- so she can run against Barbara Boxer in the general election...

I thought you were talking about the birthers, since that's what was mentioned up above ... :-)

Yeah... I back Sarah Palin and her endorsement of Carly Fiorina ... there's no question about it... and so do my own two US Senators, too -- Senator James inhofe and Senator Tom Coburn.

I think that all three of them -- Sarah Palin, James Inhofe and Tom Coburn are all doing the right thing in backing Carly Fiorina.

That shouldn't be any big news ... :-)

232 posted on 05/19/2010 10:09:45 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: darkside321

. It´s still a democratic republic!
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When did we become a Democratic republic? Explain that to me, provide links too.


233 posted on 05/19/2010 10:10:58 PM PDT by mojitojoe (banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Perdogg

I agree it’s rubbish. TPM is a WHACK site!


234 posted on 05/19/2010 10:12:26 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Red Steel; danamco
I back my own two US Senators 100% in their endorsement and I back Sarah Palin 100% in her endorsement. I think all three of them are just the type of people that we should have running this country and I go along with those they think will work with them in the same way as they think, too -- in the Senate.



Conservative Leaders For
CARLY FIORINA
U.S. Senate 2010

March 5, 2010

Fellow Conservatives:

This November, California will have an opportunity to call Barbara Boxer home and send a new conservative leader to the United States Senate. That new leader is Carly Fiorina. We are proud to endorse her as a fellow conservative who has real-¬‐world business experience and the guts and moxie to take on Barbara Boxer and win.

Carly is not a Washington insider. She is a proven business leader who understands the economy and advocates a strong national defense. And, she is a tough fiscal and social conservative who:

Democrats fear Carly more than any other candidate in the Republican primary. That’s why Barbara Boxer has been using Carly’s name in fundraising letters for nearly two years, while the California Democratic Party employs two full-time staffers to follow Carly around the state, and why numerous union-funded groups have launched independent expenditure efforts attacking her.

Carly Fiorina worked her way through undergraduate and graduate school, majoring in medieval history at Stanford University and earning two graduate business degrees from the University of Maryland and MIT. A self-made woman, Carly started her business career as a secretary and went on to become the first and, to date, the only woman to lead a Fortune 20 company, serving as Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of the Hewlett-Packard Company. Most recently, Carly served on the Defense Business Board advising the U.S. Secretary of Defense on overall management of the department and as Director of Business Executives for National Security.

As conservative leaders in the United States Senate, we know you can count on the principled leadership of Carly Fiorina. We are confident that she will stand with us and stand up for you against the liberal special interests that have kept Barbara Boxer in Washington for almost 28 years.

This is a golden opportunity for the people of the Golden State to come together to elect Carly to represent them in the United States Senate. Please join us in supporting Carly’s campaign.

Sincerely,

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235 posted on 05/19/2010 10:15:50 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Get your head out of your as* and off FR and check out some of the other sites where our military posts. See what they think of your Messiah and how many of them believe there is an issue with the BC.


236 posted on 05/19/2010 10:15:55 PM PDT by mojitojoe (banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: mojitojoe
You were saying ...

Get your head out of your as* and off FR and check out some of the other sites where our military posts. See what they think of your Messiah and how many of them believe there is an issue with the BC.

I can tell you don't read my posts ... LOL ... or else you would know that there's only One that I ever refer to as Messiah -- and that's Jesus, the Messiah of Israel...

You wont ever find any posts from me like that. And you won't find a single post from me ever supporting him for President ... nothing, nowhere. So, you're barking up a wrong tree here... I voted for the GOP ticket ... :-)

237 posted on 05/19/2010 10:19:28 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler; danamco
Oh... LOL ... you're talking about my backing Sarah Palin and her endorsement of Carly Fiorina in the California Senatorial race -- so she can run against Barbara Boxer in the general election...

Incorrect. JimRob was referring to the "bitch" as being Carly Fiorina the statist 'as yourself' who backs 'net neutrality' and not about Palin's endorsement of Fiorina.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2511635/posts?page=159#159

238 posted on 05/19/2010 10:22:50 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Star Traveler; Red Steel

Urban myth, LOL!

When I read you profile page, you are such a hypocrite and naturally you just “misspoke” like Dick Blumenthal’s Vietnam hero status!!

So here’s is what you were told to stay off eligibility threads, yet you purposely invoke “Birthers” in your posts, yet this thread here has NOTHING to do with “Birthers”!!!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2504335/posts?page=46#46


239 posted on 05/19/2010 10:33:15 PM PDT by danamco (")
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To: Red Steel

I don’t think you got it ... LOL ...

I said that I backed Sarah Palin and James inhofe and Tom Coburn in their endorsement of Carly Fiorina ...

And one of the things that Carly Fiorina had been asked a question about — in that Web 2.0 Conference — was about Net Neutrality... and I said that it was a freedom of speech issue in that we should all have the same access to the Internet for whatever we want to say, no matter what it is ...

From what I understand, she’s also backs freedom of speech, too, in regards to the Internet (all packets being equal and not restricted on content).

That thing wasn’t a big deal, but only came up as a side issue at the end — the really “big deal” was those who backed Carly Fiorina — namely Sarah Palin, James Inhofe, Tom Coburn, the NRA, and prolife groups — and — that I was too ... :-)


240 posted on 05/19/2010 10:34:09 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler
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241 posted on 05/19/2010 10:43:18 PM PDT by mojitojoe (banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Star Traveler

You’re a trouble making troll.


242 posted on 05/19/2010 10:45:02 PM PDT by mojitojoe (banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Star Traveler
I got it alright...

From what I understand, she’s also backs freedom of speech, too,

No she does not.

"Carly Fiorina on the First Amendment: Regulate it"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW-daWQdwcw&feature=player_embedded

243 posted on 05/19/2010 10:45:43 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: danamco
You were saying ...

When I read you profile page, you are such a hypocrite and naturally you just “misspoke” like Dick Blumenthal’s Vietnam hero status!!

I don't see a thing wrong with what I said on my homepage here... it's all exactly what I think, which is exactly what I post on too ... LOL ...

If you read my posts, you'll see all those things I've put down there, that I'm posting on all the time ... so I don't know what kind of "problem" you have ... :-)


So here’s is what you were told to stay off eligibility threads, yet you purposely invoke “Birthers” in your posts, yet this thread here has NOTHING to do with “Birthers”!!!

No, what it had to do with was flame wars where people were getting personal and posting accusations at each other, instead of dealing with the issues.

I post to Jim Robinson about the birther issue and have an intelligent discussion -- and so, that's not the problem. See Post #229 ... :-)

And as far as it having to do with the birthers ... yes it does, as I mentioned up above -- in that some of the same things mentioned here are mentioned by some of those birthers, too -- and thus -- you will find those of a similar mind in that group, just as you see here in this thread ...

And in addition, I've written to Jim in the past and that's not been mentioned to me by him. I do remember discussing with him about not getting personal with an individual about some comments and thus not get into flame wars (as was happening)... and thus, it was about keeping it on issue and not personal with particular people.

Therefore that "thinking" that I've seen posted by several different posters in birther threads does exactly fit the mentality here as discussed in this thread.

244 posted on 05/19/2010 10:46:05 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: mojitojoe

I’m not the one who is calling individuals names here ... LOL ... so I would advise you get a mirror and look into it more carefully ... :-)


245 posted on 05/19/2010 10:47:22 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: mojitojoe

LOL!

Nice shot!


246 posted on 05/19/2010 10:47:50 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (*)
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To: reagan4palin

LMAO! Let that little LEO watch away. That’s funny because most of the ones I know are members.


247 posted on 05/19/2010 10:48:43 PM PDT by mojitojoe (banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red Steel

I went back to the entire Web 2.0 conference and got the whole thing so I could figure it out — and from what I could see of the speech and that interview there (and there were a lot of people there at that conference), I couldn’t see that, at all. What I saw was supporting Free Speech... (in a technical manner) in that all packets on the Internet would be treated equally, regardless of their content... everyone the same ... no content restriction ... that’s what I see.


248 posted on 05/19/2010 10:50:12 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Smokin' Joe

ST is banned from the BC thread, so she or he has to try to sneak it on other threads.


249 posted on 05/19/2010 10:50:44 PM PDT by mojitojoe (banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: mojitojoe

No fun to let it go on unopposed, though. Just when they get warmed up...


250 posted on 05/19/2010 10:54:59 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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