Posted on 05/19/2010 11:22:07 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America's military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the "Obama problem." Don't dismiss it as unrealistic.
America isn't the Third World. If a military coup does occur here it will be civilized. That it has never happened doesn't mean it wont. Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it. So, view the following through military eyes:
(Excerpt) Read more at talkingpointsmemo.com ...
The more likely scenario is a ganging up by the Congress and SC invoking military support for a removal from office.
That would be the Honduran model. Picture Zero arriving in Caracas still in his pajamas!
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The military did not follow orders in Hondorus. They were supposed to take the president into custody to be held for trial as an enemy of the Constitution. That would be the preferable scenario here.
Ever hear of an executive order?
You got that right. From Article I, Section 3:
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
So, I guess that rules out shipping him to Caracas in his pajamas. Drat.
Isn’t Glenn Book kind of talking in these lanes???
Now you start printing in blue again, you better be careful not to enter into the territory where Jim Robinson will slap you on the hands!!!
That was an urban myth ... :-)
Really, do want us to go back a week or two ago???
At Post #76 ...
Anyone who has been an "honest-to-goodness FReeper" here would ever disagree with the goal of removing Obama from office. As far as I can see, that's never been the issue -- that is -- some disagreement in that some say he should not be removed from office and others saying that he should be removed.
It's always come down to the question of how? ... that's all the argument has ever been here... nothing more and nothing less.
And the issue has somewhat "divided" into two sub-categories, too. One category has been to "see the birth certificate" and the second category is his "natural born status" per his father's citizenship.
The first category has been totally unsuccesful in seeing the birth certificate (which I've asked for, prior to the election, but saw that fail). That's why I have always said that the solution for the first category is to make it a state law to require a candidate's birth certificate to be shown, or else he cannot be on the ballot. That's a "structural way" to definitely get the birth certificate out in public -- guaranteed, 100%.
However, I don't think the real issue with Obama's qualifications per the Constitution is going to be solved by seeing the birth certificate. I think all that anyone is going to see is that Obama was born in Hawaii and that his father was not a citizen of the U.S. at the time he was born.
So, that brings up the second category (of this overall issue) -- that "natural born status" of Obama, given that his father was not a U.S. citizen at the time Obama was born.
To me, that's been the "crux of the issue" all along.
And that brings me right back to the "how" question. I've said in several posts that the "how" would have to be -- some case brought before the court, in which you know either side would not "give up" and would thus "appeal" the case -- and therefore, it would be appealed all the way up to the Supreme Court, for a decision on that court case.
That's the "how" of the matter as I see it. But, I don't look at that particular "how" -- to be very comforting or reassuring or likely to succeed in getting Obama out of office. For one thing, one doesn't even know if the Supreme Court will even "hear" such a case. They should..., but one just doesn't know.
Remember, I believe that not a single person here (who is a FReeper) wants to keep Obama in office, the only real question is how to get him out of office.
I've posted recently that from my viewpoint it will take two things to get Obama out of office. One is getting that state law passed that requires a candidate to show his birth certificate or else he cannot be on the ballot in that state.
The second is to "vote him out of office" -- because I don't see a Supreme Court decision coming sooner than the next Presidential Election arrives. So, I expect to see the next Presidential Election as the next opportunity to get Obama out of office.
BUT, if someone else has some methodology to do that sooner, then they better get to working mighty fast, because the next Presidential Election is not going to be that far away. I believe "campaigning" for it -- will begin in maybe 12 months from now, with "candidates" who are undeclared (but you know they're "running") doing so right now.
You are deluding yourself.
ST sure knows how to bring it out.
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"To: Star Traveler
Turns out you’re noting but a big government statist yourself. No wonder you love that bitch.
ST sure knows how to bring it out.
Oh... LOL ... you're talking about my backing Sarah Palin and her endorsement of Carly Fiorina in the California Senatorial race -- so she can run against Barbara Boxer in the general election...
I thought you were talking about the birthers, since that's what was mentioned up above ... :-)
Yeah... I back Sarah Palin and her endorsement of Carly Fiorina ... there's no question about it... and so do my own two US Senators, too -- Senator James inhofe and Senator Tom Coburn.
I think that all three of them -- Sarah Palin, James Inhofe and Tom Coburn are all doing the right thing in backing Carly Fiorina.
That shouldn't be any big news ... :-)
. It´s still a democratic republic!
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When did we become a Democratic republic? Explain that to me, provide links too.
I agree it’s rubbish. TPM is a WHACK site!
March 5, 2010
Fellow Conservatives:
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Carly is not a Washington insider. She is a proven business leader who understands the economy and advocates a strong national defense. And, she is a tough fiscal and social conservative who:
Democrats fear Carly more than any other candidate in the Republican primary. That’s why Barbara Boxer has been using Carly’s name in fundraising letters for nearly two years, while the California Democratic Party employs two full-time staffers to follow Carly around the state, and why numerous union-funded groups have launched independent expenditure efforts attacking her.
Carly Fiorina worked her way through undergraduate and graduate school, majoring in medieval history at Stanford University and earning two graduate business degrees from the University of Maryland and MIT. A self-made woman, Carly started her business career as a secretary and went on to become the first and, to date, the only woman to lead a Fortune 20 company, serving as Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of the Hewlett-Packard Company. Most recently, Carly served on the Defense Business Board advising the U.S. Secretary of Defense on overall management of the department and as Director of Business Executives for National Security.
As conservative leaders in the United States Senate, we know you can count on the principled leadership of Carly Fiorina. We are confident that she will stand with us and stand up for you against the liberal special interests that have kept Barbara Boxer in Washington for almost 28 years.
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Get your head out of your as* and off FR and check out some of the other sites where our military posts. See what they think of your Messiah and how many of them believe there is an issue with the BC.
Get your head out of your as* and off FR and check out some of the other sites where our military posts. See what they think of your Messiah and how many of them believe there is an issue with the BC.
I can tell you don't read my posts ... LOL ... or else you would know that there's only One that I ever refer to as Messiah -- and that's Jesus, the Messiah of Israel...
You wont ever find any posts from me like that. And you won't find a single post from me ever supporting him for President ... nothing, nowhere. So, you're barking up a wrong tree here... I voted for the GOP ticket ... :-)
Incorrect. JimRob was referring to the "bitch" as being Carly Fiorina the statist 'as yourself' who backs 'net neutrality' and not about Palin's endorsement of Fiorina.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2511635/posts?page=159#159
Urban myth, LOL!
When I read you profile page, you are such a hypocrite and naturally you just “misspoke” like Dick Blumenthal’s Vietnam hero status!!
So here’s is what you were told to stay off eligibility threads, yet you purposely invoke “Birthers” in your posts, yet this thread here has NOTHING to do with “Birthers”!!!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2504335/posts?page=46#46
I don’t think you got it ... LOL ...
I said that I backed Sarah Palin and James inhofe and Tom Coburn in their endorsement of Carly Fiorina ...
And one of the things that Carly Fiorina had been asked a question about — in that Web 2.0 Conference — was about Net Neutrality... and I said that it was a freedom of speech issue in that we should all have the same access to the Internet for whatever we want to say, no matter what it is ...
From what I understand, she’s also backs freedom of speech, too, in regards to the Internet (all packets being equal and not restricted on content).
That thing wasn’t a big deal, but only came up as a side issue at the end — the really “big deal” was those who backed Carly Fiorina — namely Sarah Palin, James Inhofe, Tom Coburn, the NRA, and prolife groups — and — that I was too ... :-)
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