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'Top kill' planned to stop oil leak (Any fellow FReepers have other solutions?)
CNN ^ | 5/21/10

Posted on 05/22/2010 6:08:16 PM PDT by Libloather

'Top kill' planned to stop oil leak
By the CNN Wire Staff
May 21, 2010 11:20 p.m. EDT

Washington (CNN) -- A "top kill" method intended to stop the runaway flow of oil in the Gulf of Mexico will likely be tried early next week, BP Chief Operating Officer Doug Suttles said Friday.

In the procedure, thick, viscous fluid twice the density of water will be pumped at a high rate into the site of the leak to stop the flow so that it can then be sealed with cement, Suttles said.

"Our best estimate is probably Tuesday," he said, noting that the operation has never been tried in such deep water.

The timing for the "top kill" effort appears to be slipping: BP Managing Director Bo Dudley said Thursday night that the company would try the procedure this weekend.

Suttles offered no explanation for the discrepancy.

"We're working very, very hard with BP on the timeline for the 'top kill,' " said U.S. Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, national incident commander. "That's the ultimate near-term solution."

Obama announces oil spill commission

BP is working to assemble "a massive amount of equipment" at the site, Suttles said, including three deep-water rigs, drilling rigs, sub-sea support vessels and up to 16 robotic submarines.

"These operations are quite complex, and we won't start the job until all the equipment has been staged and all the equipment is in place," he said.

But no one expects the effort to solve all the problems associated with the spill.

"We will not rest, even if they secure the flow, even if this 'top kill' is completed successfully next week," Coast Guard Rear Adm. Mary Landry said.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bp; deephorz; energy; gulf; leak; oil; oilspill
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A report. Thanks. That's gonna help a ton.

I just called and emailed BP. They've already inserted a hose into the pipe. How about a different hose with a balloon at the tip? Blow air into the deflated balloon and it should fill the pipe. If they can pull it off, insert a hose, with a balloon tip, which also has a hose in the center. That way, they can take care of the pressure and recover some of the oil.


1 posted on 05/22/2010 6:08:17 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

I suggest taking a copy of the health care bill and stuff it down the hole. That should be big enough to clog it up.


2 posted on 05/22/2010 6:09:29 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right
I suggest taking a copy of the health care bill and stuff it down the hole. That should be big enough to clog it up.

LOL!!! I needed that! -- For a minute I thought you were talking about shutting up Obama.

3 posted on 05/22/2010 6:10:52 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: Libloather

There is a secondary leak in a crack in the pipe near the BOP so sealing the end completely would increase flow back there


4 posted on 05/22/2010 6:12:29 PM PDT by omega4179 (www.jdforsenate.com)
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To: Always Right; Liz; AT7Saluki; writer33
I suggest taking a copy of the health care bill and stuff it down the hole. That should be big enough to clog it up.

Never thought of that. I'm calling BP now...

5 posted on 05/22/2010 6:12:35 PM PDT by Libloather (Tea totaler, PROUD birther, mobster, pro-lifer, anti-warmer, enemy of the state, extremist....)
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To: omega4179
There is a secondary leak in a crack in the pipe near the BOP so sealing the end completely would increase flow back there

Multiple balloons?

6 posted on 05/22/2010 6:13:54 PM PDT by Libloather (Tea totaler, PROUD birther, mobster, pro-lifer, anti-warmer, enemy of the state, extremist....)
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To: Libloather

implode it.


7 posted on 05/22/2010 6:15:24 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Libloather

My favorite suggestion thus far has to be the one from DU; a couple of hose clamps and split water hose.


8 posted on 05/22/2010 6:16:51 PM PDT by kenth
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To: Libloather
It's a movie, Top Kill, starring Charles Bronson. :-)
9 posted on 05/22/2010 6:17:31 PM PDT by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: Libloather

I think this is flexible hose it probably can’t handle the pressure of that well. but the top kill seems to be smaller high pressure hoses to carry mud down. I hope you can pump against a mile of seatwater.


10 posted on 05/22/2010 6:18:13 PM PDT by omega4179 (www.jdforsenate.com)
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To: Libloather

They should have left the box over it until they found another solution


11 posted on 05/22/2010 6:18:58 PM PDT by vigilante2 (2396)
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To: omega4179
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I hope the weather holds ...

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12 posted on 05/22/2010 6:19:16 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Angels and Ministers of Grace, Defend Us ....)
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To: Always Right

"I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."

13 posted on 05/22/2010 6:19:52 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: vigilante2
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Or just built a BIGGER box ...

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14 posted on 05/22/2010 6:20:18 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Angels and Ministers of Grace, Defend Us ....)
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To: writer33

They could pump a lot of shredded DVD and VHS tapes of Steven Seagal movies.


15 posted on 05/22/2010 6:21:53 PM PDT by omega4179 (www.jdforsenate.com)
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To: omega4179
"Hey, Bob, we're ready to pump three million Out For Justice movies down."

"Wow, that many, Rob."

"Yep, no one wanted them."

"Pump away!"

16 posted on 05/22/2010 6:25:18 PM PDT by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: Libloather
We are about to experience, at minimum, a 30% loss of planetary marine life.

Just get used to it, and absorb the upward-cascading consequences.

Buy and store and much protein as you can.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

17 posted on 05/22/2010 6:26:36 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: Libloather

If Red Adair were alive, he would know what to do!


18 posted on 05/22/2010 6:26:45 PM PDT by getarope (One Big Ass Mistake, America!)
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To: Libloather
(Any fellow FReepers have other solutions?)

Call Chuck Norris.
He'll stop the leak by scaring it back into the depths of the Earth.

THEN, he'll install a tap with his teeth..
19 posted on 05/22/2010 6:26:49 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (30-year smoker, E-Cigs helped me quit, and O wants me back smoking again?)
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To: The Comedian
We are about to experience, at minimum, a 30% loss of planetary marine life.

Ridiculous! We have had larger spills without such events. Why do you make this crap up?

20 posted on 05/22/2010 6:35:12 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: RandallFlagg

1. Go to google.com
2. Enter “finding Chuck Norris” as the search term
3. Click I’m Feeling Lucky button

Results -> “Google won’t search for Chuck Norris. Google knows you dont find Chuck Norris... He finds you!”


21 posted on 05/22/2010 6:39:20 PM PDT by Syntyr (Mace, Kirk, Thomson, Griffin, Scusa, Martin, Gallegos, Hart - Remember the fallen of Kamdesh)
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To: Always Right
I suggest taking a copy of the health care bill and stuff it down the hole. That should be big enough to clog it up.

One methane belch taking out the other?

22 posted on 05/22/2010 6:40:22 PM PDT by OafOfOffice (W.C:Socialism:Philosophy of failure,creed of ignorance,gospel of envy,the equal sharing of misery)
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To: Libloather
What they need is an industrial strength pipe crimper along with someone who is qualified to use it...






23 posted on 05/22/2010 6:42:41 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Will the last American to leave California please bring the flag??)
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To: thackney
Hope the casing below the BOP is in good shape, they are going to be pumping like hell into it.
It is not an operation without the danger of making matters worse.
24 posted on 05/22/2010 6:43:17 PM PDT by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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To: thackney
I just come back from fishing in the Barataria Bay area near the coast on Thursday. Not a sheen to be seen. Plenty of shrimp boats working the area before the oil arrives.

A friend that fished Friday said oil has made it into the area I was in the day before. But it was in small patches of thick tarry, and not the liquid sheen.

Fried some trout tonight, and no taste of oil. Was very good.

25 posted on 05/22/2010 6:47:42 PM PDT by chemicalman
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To: The Cajun

50,000 Hp is going to push on it a little...


26 posted on 05/22/2010 6:49:36 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

It probably would have stopped the leak long enough so they could tap into the vein. It would have been better than leaving it uncovered


27 posted on 05/22/2010 6:49:41 PM PDT by vigilante2 (2397)
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To: thackney; All
Ridiculous! We have had larger spills without such events. Why do you make this crap up?

Yeah, I must be delusional. Or suicidally depressed. Just ignore me, and assume all the stats you've been fed are valid, and that this Coup will do everything it can to save the capitalist culture of the Gulf.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

28 posted on 05/22/2010 6:50:23 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: vigilante2
Do you realize without the box in the way, earlier this week they inserted a tool into the riser and are now pulling 5,000 BPD directly to a ship instead of letting spill into the ocean?

The box didn't contain the pressure and the oil would just continue to leak out. It was a failed attempted. It was worth trying; it has worked at lower depth but the pressure/temperature combination formed methane hydrates and would not allow the oil to flow up through their new riser.

29 posted on 05/22/2010 6:53:40 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Libloather
As Seen On TV!!!!!


30 posted on 05/22/2010 6:53:43 PM PDT by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: getarope
If Red Adair were alive, he would know what to do!

The things Terminator could never do even in movies. Red's company is still around I think. But I don't remember any offshore stuff with Red. Just those huge blasts that sucked the oxygen out of the well on land.

*booooommm* "Done, let's go home now!"

31 posted on 05/22/2010 6:53:50 PM PDT by OafOfOffice (W.C:Socialism:Philosophy of failure,creed of ignorance,gospel of envy,the equal sharing of misery)
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To: The Comedian

HOG WASH...the oceans and the air are much more resilient than we can even contemplate. Oil has been leaking into the oceans for a long time, undersea volcanoes, sulfur plumes etc.

I’ll stock pile a couple tons of SPAM just in case tho!


32 posted on 05/22/2010 6:54:04 PM PDT by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President, FUBO!)
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To: Libloather

Well, we often talk of turning sand into glass via nuke...

If we chain, say, 100 junk cars together in a tornado-shaped plug, each car loaded with tons of sand, plug the hole and nuke the cars from the inside to glass everything up, would that work?


33 posted on 05/22/2010 6:55:20 PM PDT by txhurl (1070: the REAL law of unintended consequences)
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To: The Comedian
I must be delusional.

That I had already figured out.

Or suicidally depressed.

Then seek God, not internet jockeys.

34 posted on 05/22/2010 6:55:21 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Always Right

Just try and flush Obama’s ego down the well, that will plug it up for good.


35 posted on 05/22/2010 6:55:24 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Libloather

A giant infundibulum with a hose attached.


36 posted on 05/22/2010 6:56:41 PM PDT by killermosquito (Buffalo (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: Always Right
I suggest taking a copy of the health care bill and stuff it down the hole. That should be big enough to clog it up.

lol; but is that with or without Nancy holding it?

37 posted on 05/22/2010 7:00:31 PM PDT by cricket (We ARE the Truman Show)
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To: thackney
That I had already figured out.

Go surfing, fool. And send us a postcard from the beach.

You really have no idea what's going on.

None whatsoever.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

38 posted on 05/22/2010 7:02:09 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: OafOfOffice
I don't remember any offshore stuff with Red. Just those huge blasts that sucked the oxygen out of the well on land. *booooommm* "Done, let's go home now!"

Doesn't it seem there should be an underwater equivalent?

39 posted on 05/22/2010 7:04:31 PM PDT by GOPJ (...man was meant to be doubtful about himself, but undoubting about the truth-Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: The Comedian
You really have no idea what's going on.

Yes, tell me all about what I don't know. I'm really interested in learning.

Strange isn't it that this is a magic well according to some of the huge flow number claimed. More oil being produced from this unprepared well. All those oil companies wasting money on other producing fields doing treatments like fracturing to get flow rates 1/10th of what some are claiming this magic well is now flowing.

The video is now real time, always available. They are pulling 5,000 BPD now from the insertion tube from the leak that was providing about 85% of the spill.

But don't worry about actual facts, keep to your delusions.

40 posted on 05/22/2010 7:06:56 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Libloather

does the US Navy’s reserve-fleet
have any aircraft carriers sitting around?

the 100 ton ‘top hat’ was much
too small


41 posted on 05/22/2010 7:15:30 PM PDT by element92
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To: Libloather
”In the procedure, thick, viscous fluid twice the density of water will be pumped at a high rate into the site of the leak to stop the flow so that it can then be sealed with cement, Suttles said.”

This is a huge mistake. This is what I do for a living fixing leaks in swimming pools while swimming underwater.

The materials will not hold and make it worse for the next time they try something. The balloon will not work because the soils will not hold the balloon.

First thing they need to do is stop the flow of oil. Otherwise no patch in the world is going to fix it.

In my business I usually let the water flow out until there is an equal pressure on the outside as on the inside. It is even easer to fix if the water is flowing into the crack while underwater. At that point just about any kind of patch will work.

In this case that cannot practically be done so the pressure needs to be equal using another method.
This also means the soils underwater at the top lair of the ocean floor will not hold any patch you place on it.

First you need to take drill or push a pipe deep down into the crack. This thing here will work fine and it will be easy to attach to any underwater sub: obviously you will need water pressure that will reach a mile down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbGUV7GQpMM

I was thinking using a large extremely heavy bell shaped tank that drops over the leak that digs itself deep into the ocean floor. In the center of the bell a tube/pipe that fits right on top of the leak and witch you have already drilled. The bell will only hold for a very short time before it starts leaking out the rim bottom of the bell.

But there will be a window of opportunity to poor down the tube/pipe I would suggest a wet mixture of thorite or it is often called water plug. Just poor in the wet mixture of thorite as fast as possible down the drilled pipe line. Thorite will dry underwater within minutes so you must work fast or you have to start all over. When finished I would just fill the bell with the thorite and leave it down there.

42 posted on 05/22/2010 7:17:07 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Bean Counter

Is that you? You're HIRED!

43 posted on 05/22/2010 7:19:15 PM PDT by Libloather (Tea totaler, PROUD birther, mobster, pro-lifer, anti-warmer, enemy of the state, extremist....)
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To: Steve Van Doorn
The balloon will not work because the soils will not hold the balloon.

If it's INSIDE the pipe?

44 posted on 05/22/2010 7:21:02 PM PDT by Libloather (Tea totaler, PROUD birther, mobster, pro-lifer, anti-warmer, enemy of the state, extremist....)
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To: GOPJ

What would the equivalent be underwater? Got ideas?


45 posted on 05/22/2010 7:21:45 PM PDT by OafOfOffice (W.C:Socialism:Philosophy of failure,creed of ignorance,gospel of envy,the equal sharing of misery)
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To: thackney
But don't worry about actual facts, keep to your delusions.

Love u 2 man.

You and I both hope I'm waaaay off the deep end of wrong.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

46 posted on 05/22/2010 7:34:16 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: The Comedian
That much oil flowed from natural seepage from Santa Barbara to Mexico for hundreds of years until they drilled the Santa Barbara Channel, Long Beach Harbor, and Seal Beach to relieve the gas pressure.

Until the early 60s every beach from Santa Barbara to Mexico was covered with tar and it never hurt a damn thing except that every time I went to the beach I got a scrub down in a tin pan with kerosene and a scrub brush before I was allowed into the house.

There was so much tar at Golita that the beach was totally black and the Spanish used to beach their ships to tar the bottoms.

47 posted on 05/22/2010 7:36:54 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Libloather
A live look at the flow:
48 posted on 05/22/2010 7:37:21 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !! )
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To: thackney
1/10th the amount of other wells?
NO NO NO NO NO!
You are way behind the times. You haven't heard the latest.

Claims are now being made that it's LEAKING anywhere from 5 to 50 MILLION BARRELS.

To hell with the well, I wish Nurse Ratchet would hurry up and patch that hole in the wall where that big Indian threw the sink through it.

49 posted on 05/22/2010 7:45:28 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: dalereed
That much oil flowed from natural seepage

To what volume are you referring?

This thing is somewhere between a 10x and 100x larger flow than is being broadcast. Do the math. Also, don't forget the methane and other natural "cracking" byproducts at depth, and what that results in. (prepositional tail supplied on purpose to avoid expletive noun terminator).


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

50 posted on 05/22/2010 7:50:46 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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