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What is the real reason for the census 2010?
05-28-2010 | Me

Posted on 05/28/2010 10:27:52 PM PDT by Kevin in California

Can someone please tell me the pros (are there any?) and cons (I'm certain there's plenty)of the census?

I didn't send mine in but have had an idiot coming to my house the last couple weeks or so. I finally faced him and told him legally I only had to answer one question and that is how many people live in my household. Am I required to answer anything more than that?


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: census; vanity

1 posted on 05/28/2010 10:27:52 PM PDT by Kevin in California
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To: Kevin in California

Constitutional law?


2 posted on 05/28/2010 10:29:31 PM PDT by doc1019 (Rush, Beck and others are giving us the dots; it is up to us to connect them.)
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To: Kevin in California

The census is required by the Constitution every ten years for purposes of reapportionment of seats in the US House. In addition to that simple purpose, by statute and regulation, a “long form” version of the census includes numerous additional questions for planning and survey purposes. Most people are only sent the traditional short form census questionnaire.


3 posted on 05/28/2010 10:38:02 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Kevin in California
I finally faced him and told him legally I only had to answer one question and that is how many people live in my household. Am I required to answer anything more than that?

According to the Constitution, no. But, one thing for sure, that Census worker will come back up to 6-10 times and try and get the rest of the info from you. If that doesn't work they'll try getting what info they can from your neighbors.
4 posted on 05/28/2010 10:38:56 PM PDT by WackySam (To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead.)
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To: Kevin in California

For special interest groups to take money out of your wallet and put it in their checking accounts.


5 posted on 05/28/2010 10:39:16 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Stop the drama, Dump 0bama!)
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To: Rockingham
Bravo Sierra, Barbara Streisand , BS. THERE IS NOTHING IN THE CONSTITUTION REQUIRING THIS.
6 posted on 05/28/2010 10:42:49 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Stop the drama, Dump 0bama!)
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To: Kevin in California

The legitimate purposes of the census are long gone. It’s now a political tool. Now that the cenus is under the control of the White House, I suspect the information provided will be used for nefarious purposes. I don’t trust the current occupant of the White House or any of his henchmen.


7 posted on 05/28/2010 10:44:42 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Kevin in California

The Census has been conducted for scores of years. It is used, basically, to determine size and number of Congressional Districts.

Info gathered is restricted for 72 years.

On a personal note, I have enjoyed looking at past census records and seeing how my family lived, and their occupations in 1920 and 1930. If I live that long, in a few years, I’ll be able to see my first recorded census notation.

I have seen census records for my family in Norway as well.

Do what you want, but understand, there has been a census in this country for many generations.


8 posted on 05/28/2010 10:48:45 PM PDT by norge (The amiable dunce is back, wearing a skirt and high heels.)
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To: Kevin in California
I finally faced him and told him legally I only had to answer one question and that is how many people live in my household. Am I required to answer anything more than that?

You are not only not required to answer even that, but he didn't have any authority to knock on your door in the first place.

Read and learn the truth: Census 2010 and the Law

9 posted on 05/28/2010 10:58:17 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Kevin in California
With the current regime, it's a two word answer:

GPS Coordinates.


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10 posted on 05/28/2010 11:09:45 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: Kevin in California

I’ve looked at census records for my ancestors going back to the 1840s.

Name, date of birth, birthplace, occupation, and place within the family (father, mother, son, daughter, etc.) were there 170 years ago.

So counting is important, but so is making sure people aren’t counted twice is important, too.


11 posted on 05/28/2010 11:34:24 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: doc1019

mostly to do away with the constitution...but also to make it impossible for anyone working class to survive.


12 posted on 05/28/2010 11:59:30 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Kevin in California
My neighbor next door did not fill his out, threw it away. The census worker has been to his door every night this week and tonite he was looking in his car windows & then went door to door to each neighbor.

All my husband told the census worker, was the neighbors first name, said he didn't know his last name or anything about him.

They are relentless, makes it seem like this census thing is more than just the ten year count, like Bambi wants more out of it than any other president has in the past!!!

Sadly for my neighbor, we have Ms. Busy-Body on our street (every neighborhood has one) and she pulled out a note pad & was telling the census guy plenty!

We have kidded for years that SHE keeps notes on all of us & now we know she really does!!!

13 posted on 05/29/2010 12:04:15 AM PDT by blondee123 (Illinois ELECT Adam Kinzinger - http://www.electadam.com/ rid US of communism!)
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To: blondee123

Oh forgot, the census worker also asked my husband if the neighbor had a loan on his house! My husb. said “how do I know?” Seems like they are asking more than they need to!!!


14 posted on 05/29/2010 12:06:06 AM PDT by blondee123 (Illinois ELECT Adam Kinzinger - http://www.electadam.com/ rid US of communism!)
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To: blondee123

The questions dealing with race and home ownership have to do with the Community Reinvestment Act.


15 posted on 05/29/2010 12:19:30 AM PDT by Judges Gone Wild (Who is this uncircumcised, to oppose the armies of The Living God?)
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To: Judges Gone Wild

There seems to be an unusual emphasis on the various sub-groups of Hispanics to the extent that Hispanic is not a race by their definition.

White is a race to them and the number of sub-groups far out-number
brown folk. They have no desire to be more specific, even though this would be of great interest to genealogists and those who study migration, which is their excuse for asking the race question in the first place.

I’m pretty sure they want the breakdown of latinos so they can gerrymander and prepare for amnesty before the 2010/2012 elections.


16 posted on 05/29/2010 1:22:58 AM PDT by alpo
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To: norge

If you believe the information you supplied is “locked up” for 72 years, I guess you still believe in the Tooth Fairy too! This “locked up” thing is about as solid as the Social Security “Lock Box”.


17 posted on 05/29/2010 3:12:56 AM PDT by Gaffer ("Profiling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: Kevin in California

You did exactly as I did. I answered the one question about how many people lived here as of April 1. I told him the remainder of his long form was not required, and was an invasion of my privacy. He admitted that the information is to “help determine social programs”. I told him “No offense, but we are finished here” and sent him on his way.


18 posted on 05/29/2010 3:49:35 AM PDT by TommyDale (Independent - I already left the GOP because they were too liberal)
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To: Kevin in California

Legally, yes you are supposed to answer all questions. Practically, no, since they have never prosecuted anyone for not answering.

I answered only number of people in 2000. I answered more, but not all, this year for genealogical purposes. I skipped race, birth dates, home ownership status, etc.

And tell your neighbors to respect your privacy, because they will go to them to ask about you if you do not answer directly.


19 posted on 05/29/2010 3:56:09 AM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: Rockingham

Officially, there is no “long form census” anymore. It was converted to the American Community Survey, which is a long form sent monthly to a few thousand households. The official 2010 Census was one form, with about 10 questions.


20 posted on 05/29/2010 3:58:26 AM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: 23 Everest
Bravo Sierra, Barbara Streisand , BS. THERE IS NOTHING IN THE CONSTITUTION REQUIRING THIS.

Yes, there is, Article I, Section 2 (emphasis mine):

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.* The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.
* This was modified by Amendment XIV, Section 2:
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

21 posted on 05/29/2010 4:08:11 AM PDT by kevkrom (De-fund Obamacare in 2011, repeal in 2013!)
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To: Kevin in California

I’ve never understood these people who won’t send their form in. Talk about drawing attention to yourself to the government - which seems to be the opposite of their intentions.

Hmmmm...maybe I’m on to something.


22 posted on 05/29/2010 4:15:33 AM PDT by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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To: coop71

Sent ours in on March 15 or so.

Sorry, crystal ball was foggy, so couldn’t answer any of the questions...

April 1, I could have, but, by then, the form was gone.

No visits yet, but they’ll get two people and an invitation to wander on.


23 posted on 05/29/2010 4:31:04 AM PDT by benewton (Life sucks, then you die)
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To: The Comedian

“”With the current regime, it’s a two word answer:
GPS Coordinates.””

Last year a Gov’t worker(pre census he said) showed up at my remote home with a GPS system to take a reading for my home location for gov’t records. He said he wanted to get the coordinates by my front door. He took one look at my German Shepherd barking and throwing a fit right beside the door, and said the coordinates from the car are close enough!


24 posted on 05/29/2010 4:48:22 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: benewton

See, that makes no sense to me. I see nothing more intrusive in the choices we make about completing the census (or not) than a census worker showing up at my door and/or calling repeatedly because of an incomplete form. I’d rather fill out the form and be done with it...and be left alone.

I guess people enjoy the attention and feel like they’re “sticking it” to the government by not filling it out. Again, this seems counterintuitive to the bigger picture and their goals.

Hmmmm...again, I think I’m on to something.


25 posted on 05/29/2010 4:48:31 AM PDT by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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To: norge
It is used, basically, to determine size and number of Congressional Districts.

So of what use is my name, sex, age, home ownership status, etc. to determining congressional districts?

26 posted on 05/29/2010 5:07:57 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is <strike>fading</strike>gone.)
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To: norge
Do what you want, but understand, there has been a census in this country for many generations.

Sadly, we have never had greater reason to doubt the benefits of it's purpose.

27 posted on 05/29/2010 5:33:59 AM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: coop71

They already have access to the information that they want you to provide. Think about the IRS, data bases, and so forth.

Given that they’ve got all of that, I see no reason to further disrupt my life by giving them the time of day.


28 posted on 05/29/2010 5:46:12 AM PDT by benewton (Life sucks, then you die)
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To: The Comedian

The equipment and plans for the collection of GPS coordinates was all developed and purchased during the George W. Bush Administration.


29 posted on 05/29/2010 5:48:15 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: benewton

There is no centralized government database of information about you, and the Census has no access to information from the IRS, etc (and likewise, other government agences have no access to information about individuals from the Census; the FBI has actually tried a couple times to get Census data, but they were shot down in court.)


30 posted on 05/29/2010 5:50:39 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Kevin in California

I just love folks who draw a line in the sand about the Census. Let’s see, you have two choices:
1.) Take 2 minutes of your time and answer a few questions on a form. The result being that you become part of an anonymous pile of data, a veritable needle in a haystack.
2.) You refuse and subject yourself to a series of at-home visits by a “government official.” You draw attention to yourself and cause said government official and his/her superior to make notations of you in official documentation. You continue to refuse, possibly resulting in a confrontation and more notations of the incident in a government file somewhere. Finally, you cause the government official to come knocking on your NEIGHBORS door to ask about you.

Now, if you’re really concerned about an overhanded, intrusive U.S. government, which is the SMARTER approach.

Here’s a tip for you to remember NEXT TIME. Fill out the damn form. You don’t have to answer all the questions, just most of them. Do it and it’s done. Why invite the man into your life?


31 posted on 05/29/2010 5:52:44 AM PDT by stranger and pilgrim
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To: benewton

I could understand it if this was an annual event, but it’s not. And by not giving them the time of day, you’re actually doing the opposite. A ringing doorbell that my family (and dog) would have to ignore daily until it stopped is a hassle and a HUGE disruption. Ditto with a ringing phone when it has to be ignored because I’m avoiding someone. But to each his own.


32 posted on 05/29/2010 5:55:47 AM PDT by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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To: Kevin in California

It probably also bears mentioning that Census workers get paid about $10 an hour. Their sole job is to track down folks like the original poster. Thanks to the clowns who refuse to submit their forms, the rest of us have to foot the bill for all these temps running around with their clipboards. I figure the thread author owes the rest of us about $30.


33 posted on 05/29/2010 6:07:15 AM PDT by stranger and pilgrim
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To: Strategerist

There may be no “centralized” data base, but they already have the information in their memories, and you have to be nuts to thing that they aren’t indexing it.

This isn’t census data, it’s all of the things like house size, from the town permit data, residents, from school lists and voter registration, ect.

They don’t need to ask, as they already know. And with the advances in computing power, I’ve no doubt that most of it is already indexed.


34 posted on 05/29/2010 6:23:45 AM PDT by benewton (Life sucks, then you die)
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To: Gaffer

Please note, I used the word restricted, not “locked-up”.


35 posted on 05/29/2010 6:46:41 AM PDT by norge (The amiable dunce is back, wearing a skirt and high heels.)
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To: Kevin in California

With Barack Obama running the country into the ground for the next 2 1/2 years, answering a census form is the least of your worries.


36 posted on 05/29/2010 6:48:16 AM PDT by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: doc1019
Constitutional law?

There was a time on FP when the average Freeper poster would have known this and if they didn't, they would have looked it up themselves before asking such a easliy answered question.

The times have changed

37 posted on 05/29/2010 6:53:41 AM PDT by JZoback
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To: norge

Understood, but nothing in the Constitution gives the government the authority to go beyond pure, simple enumeration, period. Amassing specific information about your subjects is a dangerous thing - for the subjects.


38 posted on 05/29/2010 8:50:18 AM PDT by Gaffer ("Profiling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: Gaffer

I understand people get worked up about the census...even God was against it.

However, I for one am glad my grandfather answered the questions for the 1910, ‘20 and ‘30 censuses.

And further, the Norwegian census of 1896, showed me that that same grandfather was a 16 year old seaman, that his grandmother had a daughter who was an unwed mother, and a boarder(?) who made beer! Which probably was the reason my grandmother’s righteous family didn’t want her to marry my sea-faring grandfather. All that from a few questions from a census.

From the 1920 census I learned that my grandfather, who was still on the seas in 1918, according to official documents, had bought a house and was employed as an engineer.

And from the 1930 census I learned that my father and his brother were young machinists.

Most of that information was unknown to me or my family, and it came from the answers to just a few questions; household occupants, name, age and occupation.

As I said, do what you want, but I hope my great-grandkids glean a little something from past censuses about me and my family.


39 posted on 05/29/2010 9:49:42 AM PDT by norge (The amiable dunce is back, wearing a skirt and high heels.)
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To: Caipirabob
Sadly, we have never had greater reason to doubt the benefits of it's purpose.

Tell that to the Japanese Americans who spent WWII in internment camps.
40 posted on 05/29/2010 10:04:13 AM PDT by WackySam (To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead.)
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To: 23 Everest
From Article 1, Section 2:

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.

The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.

. . . "enumeration" means a count or census.

41 posted on 05/29/2010 10:24:42 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Tatze

And here I was thinking I was lucky not to get the infernal long form census.


42 posted on 05/29/2010 10:25:54 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Gaffer

You are correct. Even the census worker who came to my door admitted that the only legal requirement was the count. He said he would merely indicate “refused to answer” on the remainder of the pages. There were a LOT more than 12 questions, by the way.


43 posted on 05/29/2010 10:43:59 AM PDT by TommyDale (Independent - I already left the GOP because they were too liberal)
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To: norge

I am truly glad that you have been able to find out more about your family. Really, I am. However, at what price for untold millions. We can’t even begin to fathom how this data has been used against the “collective us” - against freedom, against taxpaying citizens unknowingly..


44 posted on 05/29/2010 10:58:31 AM PDT by Gaffer ("Profiling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: Rockingham

I stand corrected. It’s mainly a means to determine the states representatives but as I read it, it does include taxes as well. By the way, my real name is Tanto so I am not taxed.


45 posted on 05/29/2010 11:26:33 AM PDT by 23 Everest (Stop the drama, Dump 0bama!)
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To: 23 Everest

When the Constitution was written, it was thought that coupling taxes and representation in the House to the census would discourage states from inflating their reported number of residents because doing so would also raise the federal taxes that could be imposed on the state. In that small detail and in so many other respects, the Constitution aimed at creating a system of checks and balances. The Framers were shrewd, war tested realists who knew from experience that political power always offered temptations to abuse.


46 posted on 05/29/2010 2:37:08 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: stranger and pilgrim; All

Beg to differ:

Temp Census workers were being solicited in
a notice in my bldg’s bulletin board for $18.50/hr.


47 posted on 05/30/2010 3:37:46 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, hunker down & go Galt)
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To: JZoback
There was a time on FP when the average Freeper poster would have known this and if they didn't, they would have looked it up themselves before asking such a easliy answered question. The times have changed

I remember way back when.
48 posted on 05/30/2010 3:47:06 PM PDT by mysterio
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