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Soldier shot in Iraq billed for missing military gear
Komo/KVAL ^ | May 28,2010 | KVAL Staff

Posted on 05/31/2010 9:47:30 PM PDT by AuntB

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Gary Pfleider II served his country for six years before he became a member of the new generation of disabled veterans.

Pfleider, a former Oregon National Guard soldier, was shot by a sniper while on patrol in Iraq in September 2007. He has only vague memories of the event, but now must live with a permanent reminder -- a brace he'll have to wear on his leg for the rest of his life.

"I remember grabbing a hold of my leg, and realizing I had blood on my hands," he said. "And from that point on until I got loaded onto the Stryker was just a big blur."

Three days after he was shot, Pfleider received a Purple Heart.

Almost two years later, he received a bill from the military for missing equipment.

The sum of the bill, which includes interest, is $3,175. It itemizes a list of gear the military issued to Pfleider that did not come back with his unit in 2008. The lists includes clothing items, canteens and grenades.

Pfleider, who now walks with a cane, believes the items were lost after he was flown out of the country for medical treatment. He doesn't believe he should be held responsible for the items, but the military disagrees.

The federal government has been deducting money from his disability check each month to cover the billed costs. And Pfleider said the feds withheld his tax return for the same reason.

Capt. Stephan Bomar with the Oregon National Guard said the bill was issued by Joint Base Lewis-McChord, where Pfleider spent a year recovering from his injury. Bomar added it is customary for soldiers in Pfleider's situation to be billed for missing equipment.

"It's one of the processes. That way, we keep good accountability for the equipment," he said.

Bomar said Pfleider should submit a sworn statement explaining his situation and requesting reimbursement.

But Pfleider has already done that. He still has a copy of his sworn statement, which he signed and submitted at the Albany, Oregon armory in February. The former soldier fears his case is lost in a pile of paperwork between Oregon and Washington.

"Honestly, I do. I think it's just sitting somewhere on somebody's desk at Fort Lewis, and they just don't want to mess with it because they don't think it's a big enough issue," he said.

But to Pfleider, who is scheduled to undergo his ninth leg surgery, the delay is an additional source of stress.

"To me, it's my livelihood," he said.

The veteran is still battling with flashbacks, and trying to adjust to civilian life. He said he never thought he'd have to fight the military once he returned home.

"Car going down a road, backfiring -- it still sends me into flashbacks of being over there. But I deal with it, because I know it's part of my life that's never going to leave," he said.

Lewis-McChord officials said they're looking into Pfleider's charges. Bomar said unless the charges are found to be erroneous, Pfleider will still have to pay the full sum.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: arizona; armedservicecomm; iraq; johnmccain; mccain; memorialday; military; nationalguard; oregon; vet; veterans; woundedvet
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Not a very pleasant Memorial Day Contribution, I admit. Our local station carried this story. There is also a video that shows a deduction of $120 a month on a $800 check. This is 'equipment'...canteens, etc..while he was recovering???? He is quite disabled and unable to walk.

I found the questionable policy of the military particularly interesting in light of the fact that Senator John McCain (Arizona)is the (R) ranking member of United States Senate Armed Services Committee. Being a bonifide 'war hero', you'd think he'd find the time to know about such policies being approved of by his committee.

Flashback: See the real McCain military voting record here: McCAIN HAS NOT DELIVERED ON HIS PROMISES TO VETERANS McCAIN REPEATEDLY VOTED AGAINST VETERANS’ HEALTH BENEFITS REPEATEDLY VOTED AGAINST FUNDING FOR THE VETERANS AFFAIRS DEPARTMENT http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2521019/posts?page=82#82

But then John, the 'maverick', can't be bothered with such mundane tripe about our soldiers because he spends more time campaigning than he does attending to the business of his country and state. It wasn't for nothing that he earned the most votes missed of ANY senator, yes, including Barak Obama. That sad record is here: http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/search?q=Given+that+McCain+has+spent+the+last+ten

But, it's an election year for McCain, and miracles, ABSOLUTE miracles can happen when he's pushed to the conservative edge. Perhaps he will have a campaign trail conversion and start actually caring about those who serve. He's busy bragging these days about getting an amendment passed through his committee to put 6,000 troops on the border.

Now this is particularly curious since the Obama administration is putting the guard on the border to HELP Mexico keep our guns out and NOT to enforce ANY immigration law. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2524000/posts?page=139#139

Flashback: Bill O’reilly has given us the proof that MCCain did NOT want the guard on the border.

SEN. JOHN MCCAIN, R-ARIZ.: I do not favor using troops because they are not trained for it. They don’t have the kind of qualifications necessary. I have strongly favored us using all the technical equipment that our military has including satellites, including aircraft and other technical means.

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1 posted on 05/31/2010 9:47:31 PM PDT by AuntB
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To: AuntB

HIDEOUS JERKS.

GOD HAVE MERCY . . . what a travesty of what our country was founded to be.


2 posted on 05/31/2010 9:51:54 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: AuntB

For the moment, I think our concern needs to be on the shafting of this soldier who obviously served honorably. His treatment by the Army is reprehensible and needs to be publicized but those responsible need to be publicly called out and shamed. As a vet, I find this kind of thinking to be reprehensible and gutless.


3 posted on 05/31/2010 9:54:28 PM PDT by miele man
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To: AuntB

Hopefully Juan will get on with his life’s work in Nov. and Sen. Hayworth will get to work.


4 posted on 05/31/2010 9:54:59 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: happygrl; Kimberly GG; stephenjohnbanker; pissant; Envisioning; abigail2; PGalt; bcsco; HiJinx; ...

Thanks to all those who serve and have served, so we may speak freely.


5 posted on 05/31/2010 9:55:24 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

It never ceases to amaze me how poorly the Army can treat its troops.


6 posted on 05/31/2010 9:55:44 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: AuntB

What a load of crap to expect a man wounded in combat that had to be flown out of a warzone to account for his gear. He’s only had nine operations.


7 posted on 05/31/2010 9:56:21 PM PDT by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenerio at a time.)
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To: AuntB

This is typical bureaucratic nonsense, but it’s not new.

I remember reading about a British officer who lost his pistol during the battle of El Alamein worrying about whether he’d be charged for it.

The (ahem) “proper” thing to do is to declare that the property in question was a “combat loss” (destroyed in combat). Then there is no charge for it, and the bureaucracy is happy...


8 posted on 05/31/2010 9:58:07 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: AuntB

Like I said yesterday in another post about repealing the “don’t ask don’t tell policy”, soldiers have been getting bent over and screwed forever. Uncle Sam is gay that way I guess.


9 posted on 05/31/2010 9:59:50 PM PDT by RC one (WHAT!!!!)
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To: AuntB

It is his Commands fault that this happened.


10 posted on 05/31/2010 10:00:39 PM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: AuntB

Gimme a break you bleeding hearts. rules are rules. apply the rules to all or apply them not at all. If ya don’t like the rule, then change the rule...IN THE PROPER WAY. till then, STUFF IT!


11 posted on 05/31/2010 10:02:19 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: AuntB
This is an outrage. This isn't America anymore, Aunt B.

I'll send this article to some news stations and see if there's possibly a patriot among them who will air this story.

12 posted on 05/31/2010 10:02:24 PM PDT by janetgreen ( SICK OF TRAITOROUS POLITICIANS)
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To: AuntB

Somebody should be horsewhipped over this unspeakable insult to a man who served his Country with honor. :(

B*st*rd coated B*st*rds, with B*st*rd filling!

*= the letter “a” ;)


13 posted on 05/31/2010 10:04:22 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: miele man
I very much agree. This is despicable and sheer lunacy.
14 posted on 05/31/2010 10:04:43 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: JimSEA
You get shot... The last thing you are thinking about is what? Your equipment. Medic.

Next they will try to charge the dead.

15 posted on 05/31/2010 10:11:52 PM PDT by AGreatPer (America elected a Prince and got a Princess)
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To: CondorFlight

Don’t commanding officers pay attention to such things?


16 posted on 05/31/2010 10:18:40 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: AuntB

I believe the soldiers had a two word phrase that best described this kind of mess in the past. They would usually just laugh and say, “Charlie-Foxtrot.”


17 posted on 05/31/2010 10:23:05 PM PDT by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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To: janetgreen

Hi, Honey!!! Good to ‘see’ you!


18 posted on 05/31/2010 10:24:10 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

Good lord! They truly are cannon fodder...


19 posted on 05/31/2010 10:24:33 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: Quix

Did they charge him for the Ammo he used? May as well have according to this policy. Must be accountable, you know.


20 posted on 05/31/2010 10:28:54 PM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: AuntB

Has anyone sent this to Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity? I’ll bet they can get these charges taken off this man’s account.


21 posted on 05/31/2010 10:29:55 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: LachlanMinnesota

INDEED. MARXIST STOOGES PRANCING ABOUT D.C.

GRRR.

THE TREASONOUS CONGRESS CRITTERS ALLOWING THIS TO GO ON OUGHT TO COUGH UP ALL THE FUNDS TAKEN FROM THESE MILITARY PATRIOTS.

WHAT TREASONOUS IDIOCY. GRRRRR.


22 posted on 05/31/2010 10:30:19 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: SUSSA

“Has anyone sent this to Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity? I’ll bet they can get these charges taken off this man’s account.”

Thanks, please do, the more of us that send it, the better the chance they’ll see it.


23 posted on 05/31/2010 10:33:58 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

Sending it now.


24 posted on 05/31/2010 10:36:21 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: AuntB

What on earth does John McCain have to do with a soldier’s worthless commanders?


25 posted on 05/31/2010 10:44:35 PM PDT by XHogPilot (A thief might rob you, but politicians can rob your family for countless generations.)
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To: AuntB

best post of the month. VERY well put B.


26 posted on 05/31/2010 10:45:10 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: SUSSA

when i got my issue at ft dix, i KNEW that i had to return all that crap or else i would get in trouble. so what i did is basically my best at avoiding using any item that wasnt necessary. i place all my gear in a locker and sealed it shut.

at the end of my deployment i returned everything to the unit. nothing was missing. i might have been a little colder, or without using some items but damn it if i wound up getting a “no pay due” on my check


27 posted on 05/31/2010 10:46:08 PM PDT by echomike23
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To: AuntB
Call me skeptical, but is this the first time ever in all of US military history this has happened?
28 posted on 05/31/2010 10:53:10 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (Even Hitler had Government run health care, but at least he got the Olympics for Germany)
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To: CondorFlight

The soldier here does the same and submits a statement to the Army that his gear was lost due to enemy action. Case closed.


29 posted on 05/31/2010 11:01:16 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: echomike23

I know this happens but it isn’t right.

The article says “The lists includes clothing items, canteens and grenades.”

GRENADES! Are they charging him for the ammo he used and the bandages used on his wound too?

I wonder how McCain paid for that jet he lost.


30 posted on 05/31/2010 11:03:41 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: AuntB

What probably happened:

1. His platoon Sgt did not turn in his equipment; dividing it among the platoon.

2. His platoon Sgt actually DID turn in the equipment, but;
a. the paperwork got lost, or screwed up.
b. a corrupt supply sergeant “lost” the paperwork to forward some larcenous plan of his own.

My guess is 2b. I had a similar scam worked on me, involving being charged for a month’s leave I hadn’t taken.

DG


31 posted on 05/31/2010 11:18:32 PM PDT by DoorGunner ("Rom 11: until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and so, all Israel will be saved")
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To: USNBandit

Secy of Defense Gates is supposed to be so supportive of the troops. Time for him to get off his stupid ass and fix this, fast.

Obama Advisor Gen. Jones is useless.
Obama is useless. Biden is useless. So are the congressmen/women and senators in Washington State.

DOD is being emasculated by political correctness and weirdness. SO is the Navy. Just ask any submariner.

Hopefully the Marines will tell Obie to stuff it.

If you can’t kill pirates, why capture them?

Boy am I pissed.


32 posted on 05/31/2010 11:22:31 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: mamelukesabre

Oh, this is going to be interesting.

BTW, IBTZ. (Unless that was /sarc, in which case you really needed the tag.)


33 posted on 05/31/2010 11:24:08 PM PDT by piytar (Ammo is hard to find! Bought some lately? Please share where at www.ammo-finder.com)
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To: Red Steel
The soldier here does the same and submits a statement to the Army that his gear was lost due to enemy action. Case closed.

Paperwork sh#t happens. Always has. Always will.

Nowadays, it's worse because mindless computers are handling the paperwork.

34 posted on 06/01/2010 12:11:01 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: AuntB

He’s got to get a 15-6 investigation started. When a Soldier is shot, his equipment is dumped at the unit or at the hospital due to the blood making it a potential biohazard. That’s just SOP. Obviously someone (cough S4 cough) didn’t do the proper paperwork on the loss and this guy is paying the price. An investigation will get his sworn statement, his commander’s sworn statment, the SIGACT of his being shot, his record of his hospital stay, and the theater SOP that I mentioned above. Any reasonable investigator will see it and a field grade should sign off on it. Done and done.


35 posted on 06/01/2010 12:42:55 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: AuntB

This guy’s CO or First Sergeant can’t take care of this? Man, how things have changed. Wasn’t like this when I was in with Reagan as C-in-C. I hope everyone else in his unit is aware of how their chain-of-command is treating them.


36 posted on 06/01/2010 12:47:32 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: AuntB

I wonder how long this has been policy - or is it just the policy of one National Guard. When I was medivaced 42 years ago (ancient history) all field gear was taken from us at the hospital and piled in a room.


37 posted on 06/01/2010 3:39:18 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: mamelukesabre
Gimme a break you bleeding hearts. rules are rules. apply the rules to all or apply them not at all. If ya don’t like the rule, then change the rule...IN THE PROPER WAY. till then, STUFF IT!

mamelukesabre posting obnoxious drivel since 2001-10-26 without reading the post.
38 posted on 06/01/2010 3:49:34 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: AuntB

I went on a FTX when stationed in South Korea. One of the pads on my carrying gear wore through and was destroyed because the strapping would not stay tight.

My buddy threw a folded cot into the back of a truck and broke the back window of the cab.

Guess which damage was written off as normal and who had to pay?

They were going to deduct the cost of my worn through gear from my pay. I can’t remember what they were going to charge me, but I couldn’t afford it.

So, I went to the street markets in Itaewon, found the exact same gear for sale cheap, and turned that in.

You could find just about any of the current military gear in those markets.


39 posted on 06/01/2010 4:06:21 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: AuntB
The problem isn't the problem - it's a screw-up and eventually it'll be fixed. The problem is that the fix is screwed up and nobody seems to be working very hard at unscrewing it.

Oh, well, any veteran knows that "nothing is too good for the troops" can be said very ironically.

40 posted on 06/01/2010 4:40:51 AM PDT by Grut
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To: patriot preacher

FUBAR


41 posted on 06/01/2010 4:47:02 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: AuntB; SandRat; cripplecreek; neverdem; Impy; Salvation; little jeremiah

To state the obvious, this does not inspire confidence in the armed forces and the people who run them. Is this just te Oregon National Guard, or do other National Guards do this?


42 posted on 06/01/2010 4:47:23 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Obama's more worried about Israelis building houses than he is about Islamists building atomic bombs)
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To: AuntB

What next? BYOA - bring your own ammo? Buy a ticket for the flight to Iraq/Afghanistan or that ride in the tank? HUMVEEs with taxi meters?


43 posted on 06/01/2010 6:33:12 AM PDT by Moltke (panem et circenses)
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To: AuntB

Moronic bureaucrats!


44 posted on 06/01/2010 7:39:56 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (Language, Borders, Culture, Full employment for those here legally)
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To: usmcobra

Agree, having been in the military I can say this...If they wanted to do something about this bad enough, they would have. All it takes is the right command section with big enough balls to make this right.

Right now, it looks like shaming them into it is about the only thing that has a chance of fixing this.

Just my rhetorical question for the day: How in the hell is a trooper being evac’ed supposed to keep all of his “gear” with him when the medical personnel are tossing it aside so they can do their job?


45 posted on 06/01/2010 7:50:24 AM PDT by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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To: Clintonfatigued

“To state the obvious, this does not inspire confidence in the armed forces and the people who run them. Is this just te Oregon National Guard, or do other National Guards do this?”

I don’t know, Clintonfatigued. I did hear another story similar to this one a few weeks ago, but don’t remember the details.


46 posted on 06/01/2010 8:42:11 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

Roger that!!


47 posted on 06/01/2010 9:00:00 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Shadowstrike
*= the letter “a” ;)

Thank you for specifying ... I was starting to get offended.

;'}

48 posted on 06/01/2010 9:04:00 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: DoorGunner
My guess is that the grenades got split up by his unit. All his gear went in a pile of gear at the hospital that was contaminated with blood and was disposed of.

He left the battlefield in his gear and hit the ramp at Ramstein wearing a hospital gown. I'm pretty sure he didn't make a stop at FEDEX to ship his gear home.

49 posted on 06/01/2010 10:14:52 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: AuntB; Squantos; ExSoldier; CodeToad; river rat; tet68; Lurker; hiredhand

What utter bullshit! This story PISSES ME OFF!


50 posted on 06/01/2010 1:12:24 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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