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Bush would waterboard terrorist again
WZZM- Grand Rapids ^ | 6/3/10

Posted on 06/03/2010 5:55:01 AM PDT by earlJam

Edited on 06/03/2010 5:58:27 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: earlJam

I’m not sure if I would waterboard. But, I would nail their foot to a tree while I decided.


21 posted on 06/03/2010 6:59:17 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: Carley

I don’t remember where I read the article. I think it was the NY Times.

you can search here:

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=saline+solution+lungs+pneumonia+new+york+times+waterboarding&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=dfdf66882bd03aae

or here:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:5nEZuKURlYoJ:fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2010/03/13/torture-5/+saline+solution+lungs+new+york+times+waterboarding&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


22 posted on 06/03/2010 7:00:20 AM PDT by earlJam
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To: earlJam

AGAIN....AND AGAIN.....AND AGAIN.......AND AGAIN......


23 posted on 06/03/2010 7:01:57 AM PDT by Flintlock
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To: earlJam

I miss waterboarding.


24 posted on 06/03/2010 7:03:30 AM PDT by Bitsy
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To: earlJam

Oh, the New York Times...........


25 posted on 06/03/2010 7:05:48 AM PDT by Carley (For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: earlJam

I miss you Mr President. You pi$$ed me off plenty... but obama makes me long for your leadership.

LLS


26 posted on 06/03/2010 7:10:01 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( WOLVERINES!)
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To: earlJam

Heh, heh, heh. How’s dropping this little nugget into the national discussion just before campaign season ramps up for strategery? This could become one of the questions du jour in congressional campaigns later this year, and its effects on dem doves could be nucular. I see your terror war versus law enforcement bet, and raise you one waterboarding.


27 posted on 06/03/2010 7:27:39 AM PDT by vrwconspiracist (The Tax Man cometh)
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To: earlJam
Anyone remember this from Mar. 31/03?

Today in Fallujah, Iraq four American civilians were killed when their vehicle was attacked by small arms fire. The charred corpses were pulled from the wreckage, dragged through the streets and hung from a bridge. Hell yes, Waterboard them!

28 posted on 06/03/2010 7:30:12 AM PDT by shiva
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To: vrwconspiracist

It is not that G.W. Bush actually planned this. He just answered a question which was probably spontaneous.


29 posted on 06/03/2010 7:40:30 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: earlJam

Actually, if it was me, terrorists would be shot on capture with bullets dipped in pigs blood and then their bodies buried with a pig.....but yeah, I am in a bad mood today, so bugger off.


30 posted on 06/03/2010 7:45:52 AM PDT by cranked
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To: earlJam; proud_yank
Waterboarding is a little more extreme than I first thought. It is not uncommon for the lungs to fill up with water almost causing death. So they started using a saline solution to prevent sudden death. Water is not trickled over the bag over their face. They have several gallons poured over them within 10-15 seconds. Then vomiting is induced in a controlled fashion so that the vomit will not go into the lungs and kill the person. I’m not saying that KSM should not have been waterboarded. I am simply saying it is more involved than what I have heard.

Where did you get this information or experience?

31 posted on 06/03/2010 7:47:39 AM PDT by avacado
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To: earlJam

I guess the news outlet didn’t have the room to put “Khalid Sheik Mohammed” in the headline instead of “terrorist”.

We got good information that thwarted several terrorist attacks including the Heathrow attack.

Yet now Khalid Sheik Mohammed will get to take his case to American courts and challenge his prosecution/persecution. Why do you think that Bill Ayers is admittedly “guilty as sin, yet free as a bird”?


32 posted on 06/03/2010 7:49:14 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Throw the bums out in 2010.)
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To: shiva

Those were Haliburton employees. To the rabid radical leftist professors, they deserved what they got for serving a fascist corporation.

There is no anger from the Left over the “freedom fighter” Islamonazis war crime attrocities.


33 posted on 06/03/2010 7:50:46 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Throw the bums out in 2010.)
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To: earlJam

I would Jack Bauer their asses!


34 posted on 06/03/2010 7:52:58 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: avacado

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These torture guidelines were contained in a ream of internal government documents made public over the past year, including a legal review of Bush-era CIA interrogations by the Justice Department’s Office of Professional Responsibility released late last month.

Though public, the hundreds of pages of documents authorizing or later reviewing the agency’s “enhanced interrogation program” haven’t been mined for waterboarding details until now. While Bush-Cheney officials defended the legality and safety of waterboarding by noting the practice has been used to train U.S. service members to resist torture, the documents show that the agency’s methods went far beyond anything ever done to a soldier during training. U.S. soldiers, for example, were generally waterboarded with a cloth over their face one time, never more than twice, for about 20 seconds, the CIA admits in its own documents.

These memos show the CIA went much further than that with terror suspects, using huge and dangerous quantities of liquid over long periods of time. The CIA’s waterboarding was “different” from training for elite soldiers, according to the Justice Department document released last month. “The difference was in the manner in which the detainee’s breathing was obstructed,” the document notes. In soldier training, “The interrogator applies a small amount of water to the cloth (on a soldier’s face) in a controlled manner,” DOJ wrote. “By contrast, the agency interrogator … continuously applied large volumes of water to a cloth that covered the detainee’s mouth and nose.”

One of the more interesting revelations in the documents is the use of a saline solution in waterboarding. Why? Because the CIA forced such massive quantities of water into the mouths and noses of detainees, prisoners inevitably swallowed huge amounts of liquid – enough to conceivably kill them from hyponatremia, a rare but deadly condition in which ingesting enormous quantities of water results in a dangerously low concentration of sodium in the blood. Generally a concern only for marathon runners , who on extremely rare occasions drink that much water, hyponatremia could set in during a prolonged waterboarding session. A waterlogged, sodium-deprived prisoner might become confused and lethargic, slip into convulsions, enter a coma and die.

Therefore, “based on advice of medical personnel,” Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General Steven Bradbury wrote in a May 10, 2005, memo authorizing continued use of waterboarding, “the CIA requires that saline solution be used instead of plain water to reduce the possibility of hyponatremia.”

The agency used so much water there was also another risk: pneumonia resulting from detainees inhaling the fluid forced into their mouths and noses. Saline, the CIA argued, might reduce the risk of pneumonia when this occurred. “The detainee might aspirate some of the water, and the resulting water in the lungs might lead to pneumonia,” Bradbury noted in the same memo. “To mitigate this risk, a potable saline solution is used in the procedure.”

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35 posted on 06/03/2010 7:54:20 AM PDT by earlJam
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To: earlJam

Thanks for that info and link. It only says they “might” vomit and took precautions for such. It never says they did vomit.


36 posted on 06/03/2010 8:00:31 AM PDT by avacado
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To: Puppage
Obama would have a beer with them.

Nope - "beer" is for racist cops. For terrorists he'd have champagne... and a bow or two.

37 posted on 06/03/2010 8:02:55 AM PDT by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php?area=dam&lang=eng)
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To: Puppage
“Bush would waterboard terrorist again
Obama would have a beer with them.”

0bama would bow to him and offer to bomb Israel for him as a gesture of friendship...Then he'd say, “Oh and by the way, send as many illegal terrorists over the Mexican border as you like. I've given strict orders for the 1200 guards not to do anything”

Then he'd make the Hollywood “call me” sign with his hand by his ear.

38 posted on 06/03/2010 10:15:53 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (Language, Borders, Culture, Full employment for those here legally)
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To: tet68

1.20.2013 Waterboarding returns to the Olympics!


39 posted on 06/03/2010 2:47:32 PM PDT by omega4179 (www.jdforsenate.com)
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To: earlJam

Does this mean you disagree with waterboarding KSM?


40 posted on 06/03/2010 4:53:55 PM PDT by HollyB
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