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New government entity to take control over military and civilian networks
Tech 1984 ^ | 5/31/10 | Tech 1984

Posted on 06/07/2010 9:29:58 PM PDT by oc-flyfish

This is pretty scary stuff. The Federal government is ready to seize control of private company networks in order to "protect" us in the event of a hacker attack.


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1 posted on 06/07/2010 9:29:59 PM PDT by oc-flyfish
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To: oc-flyfish

I’m sure it won’t be too long before said hacker attack takes place then.


2 posted on 06/07/2010 9:31:00 PM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Work harder! People on welfare depend on you!)
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To: oc-flyfish

Their cover story is so shallow. Tyranny has arrived.


3 posted on 06/07/2010 9:32:28 PM PDT by GeronL (Political Correctness Kills)
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To: ShadowAce

With little fanfare, the U.S. Cyber Command (CYBERCOM) has officially begun operation this week. The entity is a collection of personnel from the National Security Agency (NSA), Army, Navy, Marine, Air Force and policy makers (read that politicians). The stated purpose is to protect the vital interests of the United States in relation to the Internet. The entity is not just defensive in nature but can also engage in preemptive “strikes” intended to disrupt threats. Because this was an internal reorganization within the Department of Defense, the creation of CYBERCOM did not require congressional approval.

From the link.


4 posted on 06/07/2010 9:33:01 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (*)
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To: GeronL

Fourth Reich???


5 posted on 06/07/2010 9:36:16 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead (Clean the RAT/RINO Sewer in 2010 and 2012)
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To: oc-flyfish

This reminds me that I could not get onto FR the other day and wondered if there is some sort of “plan B” for communication if something/someone interfered with the site.

Is this the point in which I procure one of those tinfoil hats I’ve read about?


6 posted on 06/07/2010 9:38:22 PM PDT by Thidwick
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To: Thidwick

Hahaha! No tin foil hats needed for the site I was quoting. :-)

The site has lots of great information on government’s use of technology to take away our freedoms.


7 posted on 06/07/2010 9:42:41 PM PDT by oc-flyfish
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Exactly. If they control the private networks they can control the flow of information.


8 posted on 06/07/2010 9:46:02 PM PDT by oc-flyfish
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To: bamahead

Why should conservatives be scared?! After all, it’s necessary to fight the Wars on Terror and on Drugs! /sarc


9 posted on 06/07/2010 9:47:35 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: rabscuttle385

Heck, being a conservative, I would cut off my own head if it would help our law enforcement and military!/s/


10 posted on 06/07/2010 9:49:40 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Jet Jaguar
The entity is not just defensive in nature but can also engage in preemptive “strikes” intended to disrupt threats.

I'll take "why did FR crash yesterday? for $1,000, Alex."

And a side order of tin foil. lol

11 posted on 06/07/2010 9:50:33 PM PDT by TigersEye ("Flotilla" means "pirate ships running supplies to terrorists.")
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To: Thidwick
Probably so. Be a good idea to have a back-up plan to stay in touch with your 'vital assets' in case the internet is interrupted by the gummint.

I got a little paranoid when FR went down the other day, making me wonder what the hell would I do If I didn't know what anyone else was doing.

I know about leaderless resistance and small groups, but there has to be an outreach mechanism to other groups apart from email and the internet.

The balloon could go up instantly and without warning, and we need a way to network instantly.

12 posted on 06/07/2010 9:56:02 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Eastbound

. . . mostly to keep people from going off half-cocked, not knowing what is happening nationally, or regionally.


13 posted on 06/07/2010 9:58:49 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: All

Why am I picturing some undergrown internet band (I’m sure there is something more technical than that, but it’s late and I’m tired) just like they had those ham radios to get western news in Russia back during the Cold War.


14 posted on 06/07/2010 10:00:52 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf aInd dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: autumnraine

Get some rest and come back and explain who that works. Thanks. Sounds interesting.


15 posted on 06/07/2010 10:04:01 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Eastbound

oops who = how


16 posted on 06/07/2010 10:05:15 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: autumnraine

Maybe use cloud computing. It is designed to not be decoded.

But I’m not a geek, but hubby would know more.


17 posted on 06/07/2010 10:06:33 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: Eastbound

Basically I’m thinking along the lines of what we did before the internet with BBS boards. Just black screen DOS with chat rolling. Instead of using the connection to get into an IP address, you could use a private line to connect to a BBS type board.

Getting more sleep and also contacting my superhuman computer geek ex-brother in law. He would know. I remember watching that movie war games and we all joked about how they made that movie about him. He was putting the phone on a little gadget that dialed various computers with the squealy dial up sounds back in the mid 80’s.


18 posted on 06/07/2010 10:10:45 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf aInd dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Eastbound

See, I am so tired, I just realized I typed “undergrown” instead of underground.

Yeah, sleep is calling me.


19 posted on 06/07/2010 10:11:27 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf aInd dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: rabscuttle385; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ..
In summary, we have a new government entity created without congressional approval whose purpose is to monitor (read that spy on) all Internet traffic in the United States, and to take unspecified preemptive strikes when something happens that the agency deems is not acceptable…



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20 posted on 06/07/2010 10:12:45 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Personal Responsibility

This is like saying in case of Terror Attacks coming from the border with Mexico, the government will be taking over the guns and the situation...


21 posted on 06/07/2010 10:13:27 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrates Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Thidwick

Canada


22 posted on 06/07/2010 10:16:29 PM PDT by vigilante2 (Reelect Nobody)
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To: autumnraine

ah, yes! The old BBS! I’m well acquainted with that, as my phone bill was phenomenal and I was really glad when it went the way of the dinasour. But you’re right! It shouldn’t take much for someone to learn how to use something like the bluewave reader or some such program to log in and get back in the saddle. I think it would be pretty hard for the gummint to shut down the BBS’s, much harder than shutting down the internet. But I don’t know for sure. They would have to shut down all phone service. Maybe ham would be the way to go after all.


23 posted on 06/07/2010 10:19:21 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: TruthConquers
Maybe use cloud computing. It is designed to not be decoded.

"Cloud computing" is a newly invented name for an old method where you store all your data on someone else's servers. This is the worst possible solution for anyone who values privacy. Also, those servers (there are just a few) can be ordered offline at any time, and then you have nothing.

For example, imagine that you use Google Groups for general discussion, Google Mail for direct communication and Google Documents for specific papers. All your data is on Google's servers, you have no locally saved copies (usually.) Now Google is offline, or your account is disabled (all of that happened several times already.) You are in trouble, isolated from your contacts and robbed of all your documents and messages.

An opposite example is FreeNet. This is an experimental network that is designed for storage of documents on multiple computers (like p2p.) No single computer holds everything, and nobody knows where the data is actually stored - the network is designed to ferret the data out, but it won't tell you where it found it. So an attacker has no easy way to disrupt the network.

24 posted on 06/07/2010 10:19:42 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: Eastbound

LOL...all I could think of was messaging via ‘pony express’...silly...but I felt exactly the way you did when this site went down. There’s got to be a way to remain organized and in touch.


25 posted on 06/07/2010 10:22:58 PM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: oc-flyfish

Idiocy. Our Government gives up U.S. control of the Internet to world interests then freaks out about our security.


26 posted on 06/07/2010 10:23:00 PM PDT by historyrepeatz
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To: Eastbound

Ham is DEFINITELY a must for communication and we should probably get a group together in various places to be able to give information that the news might not pick up. But computers could be an option for a while.

The thing is, unless they take over the utility companies and/or wireless (which in a war or martial law is totally probable) they can only shut down servers.

Ok, off to doze and reflect on this. How to connect if phone or wireless is not available. Hmmmm

Think we should start a ham radio thread if there isn’t one already? I mean if we could get a few hundred, that ought to help some. I would love to get AmericaninTokyo in on this. He would be valuable to have in his area.


27 posted on 06/07/2010 10:24:47 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf aInd dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: oc-flyfish

bump


28 posted on 06/07/2010 10:28:57 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping List-freepmail me to be included or removed. <{{{><)
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To: Kimberly GG
"There’s got to be a way to remain organized and in touch."

Agreed, Kimberly. It's not a good feeling to be afloat with nobody in sight. Keep the thread going. Maybe even get some names and contacts for off-line discussion.

29 posted on 06/07/2010 10:30:20 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; rxsid; MeekOneGOP; ...

Ping!!!!!


30 posted on 06/07/2010 10:31:46 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama .......yes.......is a fascist... ...He meets every diagnostic of history)
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To: autumnraine; AmericanInTokyo; All

Okay, then. Tomorrow.


31 posted on 06/07/2010 10:33:04 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Candor7

Like we need another “government entity”.

Just like I need liver cancer or something.


32 posted on 06/07/2010 10:33:17 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: oc-flyfish
"EIB Network, Fox News, FreeRepublic.com Compromised by Domestic Terrorists says Obama Administration"...


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

33 posted on 06/07/2010 10:34:21 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: vigilante2

Ha! I was thinking 2 steps back such as ‘phone trees’ and printing presses.


34 posted on 06/07/2010 10:38:08 PM PDT by Thidwick
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To: vigilante2

Ha! I was thinking 2 steps back such as ‘phone trees’ and printing presses.


35 posted on 06/07/2010 10:38:36 PM PDT by Thidwick
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To: oc-flyfish

So they think we computer people are too stupid to protect our own networks. Ok...


36 posted on 06/07/2010 10:44:46 PM PDT by Moose Burger
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bfl


37 posted on 06/07/2010 10:48:13 PM PDT by iowamomforfreedom
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To: Candor7

ruh-roh!

Hey, did anyone else notice their cell phones totally disconnecting from the web today for an hour?? Had several other people remark upon this, too.


38 posted on 06/07/2010 10:51:16 PM PDT by bitt ( "If this is what Team Obama calls "saved," then please, let me give purgatory a shot. ")
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To: oc-flyfish; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; Quix; 1000 silverlings
Absolute fascism.

They've been emboldened by the health care travesty and now they're going for the throat.

39 posted on 06/07/2010 11:10:21 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Thidwick
There's a Yahoo Group for that -- FreeRepublic2.

When FR goes down it's helpful to go there and see if others are experiencing the same trouble so you can rule out a problem with your computer.

40 posted on 06/07/2010 11:12:28 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Thidwick
This reminds me that I could not get onto FR the other day....

I just thought I had been banned.

41 posted on 06/07/2010 11:18:14 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: oc-flyfish

I think you can find information on this in the original PATRIOT Act legislation.


42 posted on 06/07/2010 11:20:38 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"There's a Yahoo Group for that -- FreeRepublic2."

Yup! I finally remembered I was a member of that group and went to see what the problem was. We're okay there, as long as Yahoo don't dream up some phoney excuse to take the groups off line for 'maintenance' of some kind.

43 posted on 06/07/2010 11:30:13 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: oc-flyfish
No wonder Rahm and Biden were running around today with squirt guns like there's no serious problems facing the nation.

From now on, from their point of view, there will be no more problems.

44 posted on 06/07/2010 11:48:27 PM PDT by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenerio at a time.)
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To: autumnraine
Time to reconfigure the UUCP "UUMap" project with dialup modems to pass messages around. It worked pretty well prior to the general availability of the internet. My old Xenix machine from 1983 was part of that network. We're missing the big nodes like ihnp4 and seismo that acted a major hubs. The ihnp4 was owned by AT&T. The seismo machine was a USGS box. Rick Adams moved along from seismo to build the first UUNET systems in Falls Church, VA. Some of us "old farts" still remember how to build those networks.
45 posted on 06/07/2010 11:56:21 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: oc-flyfish

Bump to look at later...


46 posted on 06/07/2010 11:59:45 PM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: Kimberly GG
There’s got to be a way to remain organized and in touch.

Oh yes. I'd look at the places where repression has been the norm, but has now sort of flipped roles. For example, in the old soviet union, I saw at least a couple solutions for full forums that couldn't be read by outsiders - not the KGB, not hackers. These were typically run by the virus writing community.

47 posted on 06/08/2010 12:05:20 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: autumnraine
There are limits to what you can put over the air as a ham. It is also a government licensed service. Part of that arrangement allows the government to essentially conscript the operator and his equipment in the service of the government under an "emergency". Most of my gear is still in boxes after moving from San Diego to Idaho. It would take time to pull it out and make sure it is operable. The electrolytic caps can dry out and become non-functional. They sometimes explode when exposed to current after a long time of non-use.

When I was last regularly active, the packet revolution had just arrived (1985). I enjoyed TCP/IP over ham radio in those days. The rise of the internet made the ham radio based comms just a silly toy. Can you imagine having to wait 3 weeks to move 1 megabyte of data over a very lossy radio path? The modem data rate was only 1200 bps with lots of overhead to create the synchronous packets that carried the AX.25 UI frames that wrapped the IP datagrams.

48 posted on 06/08/2010 12:05:38 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Eastbound

...you are supposed to use the FR decoder ring as soon as FR goes down...


49 posted on 06/08/2010 12:07:15 AM PDT by spokeshave (From The One to zero in just 16 months – the myth has ended.)
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To: Thidwick
Ha! I was thinking 2 steps back such as ‘phone trees’ and printing presses.

My LDS stake in San Diego had ham radio ops, but also had an effective "phone tree" and "on the ground" connectivity via foot or bicycle. We could account for 5,000 people in the space of 30 minutes without phone or radio.

50 posted on 06/08/2010 12:08:33 AM PDT by Myrddin
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