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New government entity to take control over military and civilian networks
Tech 1984 ^ | 5/31/10 | Tech 1984

Posted on 06/07/2010 9:29:58 PM PDT by oc-flyfish

This is pretty scary stuff. The Federal government is ready to seize control of private company networks in order to "protect" us in the event of a hacker attack.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: civilliberties; communication; constitution; cybercom; emergencyprep; hugoland; socialistblitzkrieg
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To: TruthConquers

“Cloud computing” is not a solution to your problem, it is the problem (you lose the privacy and possibly access, instead of gaining them) and it’s expensive proposition, to boot, to store / backup your data somewhere else.

Cloud is a “back to the future” marketing, not technological concept.

You can encode / decode email and other data, for storage or transport, with private or public encryption methods, and/or split data store / transfer on multiple computers through various P2P (legal uses) algorithms.


51 posted on 06/08/2010 12:29:13 AM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: oc-flyfish

I guess this is their backup position or maybe supplemental method versus Net Neutrality.

The Feds can stop the flow of internet information, they can interfere with telecommunications and they can jam radio broadcasts. Whether they could do something to block hams radio users in the entire country I don’t know but they could certainly do it to individual locations. So what’s left, carrier pigeons?

BTW, anybody have any personal experience with or knowledge of the company CYVEILLANCE out of Arlington? Lot’s of government contract work and some disturbing matches if you do a search.


52 posted on 06/08/2010 12:39:10 AM PDT by Natural Born 54 (FUBO x 10)
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To: Candor7

Get out while you can. That’s all I have to say. :)


53 posted on 06/08/2010 12:39:38 AM PDT by mojitojoe (banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: autumnraine; All

Sleep well, I don’t see much of a problem here. Something like this was long overdue to be consolidated from several agencies (mostly NSA) into one strat-group umbrella, in light of multiple well known attempted cyber-attacks from China, Korea, Russia, Baltic Republics, Caribbeans etc.

It doesn’t create any new capabilities, just organizes and coordinates them under one umbrella, with people who already worked on this and understand the nature and can possibly prevent enemy cyber-attacks, or help coordinate tracking of terrorist sites.

It doesn’t employ any “new” technology, or any “new” powers, only makes it more transparent, somewhat similar to or in line with FISA Court. If anything, it would be more difficult to abuse with impunity, because multiple agencies’ Op-Centers would go under more central command. Think of it as cyber-DHS.


54 posted on 06/08/2010 12:46:10 AM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: mojitojoe

The door is there.


55 posted on 06/08/2010 1:09:53 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama .......yes.......is a fascist... ...He meets every diagnostic of history)
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To: rabscuttle385

Adding this to FREE SPEECH TRENCHES [Free Republic link list research]
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56 posted on 06/08/2010 1:38:45 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Kagan ENDED Constitutional Law in Harvard: freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2523089/posts)
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To: Candor7

I am working on telepathy.,,


57 posted on 06/08/2010 1:51:44 AM PDT by MestaMachine (De inimico non loquaris sed cogites- Don't wish ill for your enemy; plan it)
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To: oc-flyfish

I’m a ham and yes, that could be used. My thought is; if the internet is down or blocked to us it IS a legitimate emergency. FCC rules allow almost unlimited usage in an emergency. If we are deprived of FR and other venues of free speech then the game is on anyway.


58 posted on 06/08/2010 2:23:14 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (Where is the Black Regiment?)
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To: Eastbound

bookmark


59 posted on 06/08/2010 2:42:48 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: Thidwick

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freerepublic2/


60 posted on 06/08/2010 3:51:36 AM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: oc-flyfish

1984 is upon us....


61 posted on 06/08/2010 3:51:52 AM PDT by Paige ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing," Edmund Burke)
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To: autumnraine
Basically I’m thinking along the lines of what we did before the internet with BBS boards. Just black screen DOS with chat rolling. Instead of using the connection to get into an IP address, you could use a private line to connect to a BBS type board.

Refresh your memory about Fidonet.

62 posted on 06/08/2010 3:55:01 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: oc-flyfish
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the old CB radio. (I have one in the closet near the gun safe and ammo.)

Learn about them, build a beam antenna, will transmit for 100 miles on 4 watts, can run off a battery, very portable and inexpensive.

All freepers decide on a channel to meet on, buy a radio off ebay for cheap, Start learning.

When TSHTF, one person in a different location transmits for one minute every night at a different location...All hypothetical of course....

63 posted on 06/08/2010 4:06:29 AM PDT by 2aberro
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To: TruthConquers

Potentially cloud computing. Just don’t use Google!


64 posted on 06/08/2010 4:15:22 AM PDT by oc-flyfish
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To: Eastbound

I’ve been thinking about this very scenario for quite a while. Organization is the key and for FR members it is what we are lacking beyond the internet.

If the government shuts down communication via the internet...chaos will ensue. Psychologically Americans are addicted to information and taking over the net, TV, Radio, phones, cell phones...and issuing propaganda news will not serve them well.


65 posted on 06/08/2010 4:16:36 AM PDT by EBH (Our First Right...."it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,")
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To: Greysard

Unfortunately even systems like (FreeNet) that have been hacked. Tor was hacked which is how Wikeleaks was able to download a few million documents in a short period of time.


66 posted on 06/08/2010 4:18:03 AM PDT by oc-flyfish
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To: autumnraine

They would control the utilities as they are part of the critical infrastucture. Scary, eh?


67 posted on 06/08/2010 4:19:09 AM PDT by oc-flyfish
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To: Moose Burger

Yup! They think the government wonks can do a better job than the private industry. Give me a greatk.


68 posted on 06/08/2010 4:20:42 AM PDT by oc-flyfish
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To: CutePuppy

Actually there is a lot to be concerned about. New monitoring agents will be mandatory which report back to the the agency (EINSTEIN 2 & 3). Action (taking control of a private network, preemptive strike, etc) can be executed simply by a request from DHS.


69 posted on 06/08/2010 4:26:46 AM PDT by oc-flyfish
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To: oc-flyfish
Then there is Marine band, here is one that has some interesting capabilities,,, for $300.

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70 posted on 06/08/2010 4:32:22 AM PDT by 2aberro
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To: CutePuppy

Pretty much what I was thinking. The headline is much scarier than the concept. I’m just relieved this isn’t some new “czar” with a plan.


71 posted on 06/08/2010 4:38:03 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: oc-flyfish

Orwellian.


72 posted on 06/08/2010 4:50:02 AM PDT by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: oc-flyfish

Wonder who they have lined up to play the part of Tokyo Rose?


73 posted on 06/08/2010 4:50:29 AM PDT by 1951Boomer
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To: oc-flyfish

SkyNet?


74 posted on 06/08/2010 4:52:52 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Kimberly GG
Simple: We meet in groups of five, five tables pushed together, the Greek symbol for five is :"V". A little Beethoven music like the 5th Symphony ....

One can be quite open - even the places like the Golden Corral etc

Just watch for V's and Fives....

75 posted on 06/08/2010 4:55:56 AM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating Heart)
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To: The Comedian

not funny


76 posted on 06/08/2010 5:02:18 AM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping List-freepmail me to be included or removed. <{{{><)
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To: Natural Born 54

tell us


77 posted on 06/08/2010 5:10:09 AM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping List-freepmail me to be included or removed. <{{{><)
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To: oc-flyfish

I would laugh hysterically if someone successfully hacked “cybercom”. Just on general principal, the government has NO right to interfere with private communications at any level.

It’s quite obvious that their goal is to control communications. The question is, under what circumstances would they want to do so?


78 posted on 06/08/2010 5:15:28 AM PDT by meyer (Big government is the enemy of freedom.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
Fourth Reich???

Turd Reich.

79 posted on 06/08/2010 5:30:19 AM PDT by ScottinVA (RIP to the country I love...)
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To: oc-flyfish

I’ve been saying this for almost a year. We freepers need a backup network. Time for ham operators to step forward unless everyone is so scared to do so. Freep mail me and we will build our own airwave path to each part of the country.


80 posted on 06/08/2010 5:32:26 AM PDT by George from New England (Escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: GeronL

I said that on 11/4/08, and was poo-pooed here on FR.


81 posted on 06/08/2010 5:45:21 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: 1951Boomer
Wonder who they have lined up to play the part of Tokyo Rose?

TokyObama!

82 posted on 06/08/2010 5:46:13 AM PDT by meyer (Big government is the enemy of freedom.)
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To: 2aberro

Does the marine radio band require a special license?


83 posted on 06/08/2010 5:47:49 AM PDT by meyer (Big government is the enemy of freedom.)
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To: SaraJohnson
Heck, being a conservative, I would cut off my own head if it would help our law enforcement and military!/s/

Decapitation? You must be MUSLIM!!!!! </sarc>

84 posted on 06/08/2010 5:49:44 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: autumnraine
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85 posted on 06/08/2010 5:51:38 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: meyer

Things have changed a great deal over the last 30 years. Used to be, a Ham radio license required passing a fairly comprehensive test along with demonstrating the ability to send Morse Code at, I think, 5 words per minute or so.

I do have an FCC license for ZA (General Mobile Radio, GMRS).


86 posted on 06/08/2010 5:52:04 AM PDT by meyer (Big government is the enemy of freedom.)
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To: Gondring

Funny! Good old FidoNet.


87 posted on 06/08/2010 5:54:34 AM PDT by oc-flyfish
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To: autumnraine
Why am I picturing some undergrown internet band (I’m sure there is something more technical than that, but it’s late and I’m tired) just like they had those ham radios to get western news in Russia back during the Cold War.

Heh...I'm having flashbacks to two decades ago....to the unrest in the USSR when they didn't cut the 'net connections at first, and I was helping to translate the information coming out. Wow...it might be radios to replace the 'net next time. And who knows, it might be Americans trying to get word to the outside world.

88 posted on 06/08/2010 5:55:27 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: oc-flyfish

Oh man... nostalgia... http://www.fidonet.org/


89 posted on 06/08/2010 5:56:37 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: meyer

Licensing is not an issue. Equipment is.
Back in the 70s, I had a sailor friend that was part of “Illegal Radio Operators of America”
He was running a 10kw station just under the CB Band.


90 posted on 06/08/2010 5:57:55 AM PDT by Elderberry
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To: SaraJohnson
"Heck, being a conservative, I would cut off my own head if it would help our law enforcement and military!/s/"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK8yOTAF11g

91 posted on 06/08/2010 6:03:00 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Gondring

Yeah, we must be old timers. :-)


92 posted on 06/08/2010 6:10:33 AM PDT by oc-flyfish
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To: Elderberry

10 kw? Wow, talk about an alligator!


93 posted on 06/08/2010 6:39:50 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: autumnraine

I am a Ham... the government suspended all Ham Radio activities during WWII and confiscated equipment. I will put an axe through my property before some Fed gets it... that I promise you.

LLS


94 posted on 06/08/2010 6:41:00 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( WOLVERINES!)
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To: tutstar

I think they run some of those monitoring programs. They looked at certain pages on our web site - that’s how I stumbled on them. Looked at their web site, did a search on them, searched with their IP block addresses too and didn’t find anything that made me happy to know who they are.


95 posted on 06/08/2010 7:01:07 AM PDT by Natural Born 54 (FUBO x 10)
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To: meyer

When the SHTF you won’t need any stinking licenses.


96 posted on 06/08/2010 7:03:06 AM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Where is our military?)
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To: investigateworld

Good idea. You know, there are many, many of these types of small groups already formed as 9/12 groups, who get together on a regular monthly basis. There is even one in my little suburb of Columbus (& Cols has a much larger group). Of those 9/12 attendees, I wonder how many are freepers?


97 posted on 06/08/2010 7:04:04 AM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: AnAmericanMother

When we were out at sea he’d call home on Navy’s 500 watts and his sister would talk back on his 10kw rig.
His car a had 2kw rig with a Dual alternator and battery setup so the car wouldn’t die when he keyed.

Needless to say, he had his equipment seized several times.


98 posted on 06/08/2010 7:04:34 AM PDT by Elderberry
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To: AnAmericanMother

“10 kw? Wow, talk about an alligator!”

Funny you put it that way. He was from south Florida.


99 posted on 06/08/2010 7:08:32 AM PDT by Elderberry
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To: Eastbound

See my post 97 and the post I was replying to. I haven’t been participating in my local group yet, but it may be the place to start since they are already organized. I know that many folks dislike Glenn, but the way the groups are set up, they have nothing to do with him...they are all about us.


100 posted on 06/08/2010 7:08:37 AM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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