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Stop of a man in a hoodie for carrying a weapon lacked reasonable suspicion
OpenCarry.org ^ | 8 June, 2010 | United States v. Jones, 09-1731 (8th Cir. June 8, 2010).

Posted on 06/08/2010 5:41:20 PM PDT by marktwain

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To: boycott
I would guess that the majority of men wearing hoodies haven’t contributed much to society.

Bill Belicheck frowns on you.

21 posted on 06/08/2010 7:24:31 PM PDT by green iguana
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To: dljordan
There are lots of people here who won’t see it that way.

You're obviously not reading the posts...

22 posted on 06/08/2010 7:25:43 PM PDT by green iguana
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To: Solidstatechemist

Yeah that too!


23 posted on 06/08/2010 7:36:47 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Even my dog is alerted by men in hoodies. Even more so if they wear dark glasses. Without a little restraint she would do a little stop and frisk.
People need to be aware of the image they project. Hunched over in a hoodie, wearing dark glasses and your hands in the pockets doesn’t give another observer a warm and fuzzy feeling. More like cross over to the other side of the street feeling. It is part of the lost civility in our society. Why do people want to copy the worst traits of our society?


24 posted on 06/08/2010 8:52:20 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: SwedeBoy2
I own a hooded sweatshirt, but not a "hoodie" since I was eight. Even back then, it was called a hooded sweatshirt.

But then, you have eight grand kids. My sister teaches elementary school and she talks to everyone like they are third graders, so I guess it is the atmosphere.

25 posted on 06/08/2010 8:57:29 PM PDT by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, you know chances will be taken that's for sure.)
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To: SwedeBoy2

Ditto. No more fleece with a house full of cats. Underarmour hoodies shed hair and have not worn out with repeated washes. A tad expensive, but so is fleece if you have to replace it every couple of years. Underarmour hoodies are also good for layering in cold weather.


26 posted on 06/08/2010 9:02:51 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: marktwain
This is a huge step forward to restore the Constitutional protection to be secure in our persons.

Yes, and long overdue.

27 posted on 06/08/2010 9:09:24 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: marktwain

yup. Sounds like a good call. Will have to read through the entire ruling. I hope they appeal it to the supreme court. This would be a good one to apply nationwide.


28 posted on 06/08/2010 9:19:17 PM PDT by zeugma (Waco taught me everything I needed to know about the character of the U.S. Government.)
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You think this is unwarranted?

While routinely patrolling a high-crime area on a mild September afternoon, Omaha police officer Paul Hasiak saw a person later identified as Fonta M. Jones walking across a church parking lot wearing a long-sleeved hooded sweatshirt and “clutching the front area of his hoodie pocket with his right hand.”

Jones watched as the marked police cruiser drove by. The officers drove around the block and regained sight of Jones, still walking with his right hand clutching his front hoodie pocket in the same position. Officer Hasiak decided to stop and frisk Jones, who stopped walking when the cruiser pulled up.

Hasiak told Jones to place his hands behind his back and then moved behind Jones, secured his hands, and patted him down for weapons.

Jones was arrested when Hasiak found a 9-millimeter handgun in the front hoodie pocket and a loaded magazine in Jones’s back right pocket. When it was later determined that Jones had prior felony drug convictions, he was indicted for being a felon in possession of a firearm in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 922.

Cop ought to get a medal.
29 posted on 06/08/2010 9:21:41 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Beelzebubba

Aren’t you the little police-state brownshirt!


me so sorry .... I didn’t even read the article. again ... so sorry.


30 posted on 06/08/2010 9:26:53 PM PDT by boycott (CAL)
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To: SwedeBoy2

......... and Yes I do wear a Hoodie on occasion.


hippie!

Just kidding. I should have read to article before I ever commented on it. Sorry.


31 posted on 06/08/2010 9:32:03 PM PDT by boycott (CAL)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour; Tax-chick
reigning not raining... jeeesh.

Oh, dude, rule 1 when in a hole is "Stop digging"!

Raining: Water falling from the sky.

Reigning: Ruling as a monarch.

Reining [in]: Restraining, as when riding a horse.

32 posted on 06/08/2010 9:44:06 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Tublecane

In which case it wasn’t a valid stop-n-frisk, and the court was correct.


33 posted on 06/09/2010 3:32:47 AM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: green iguana

“You’re obviously not reading the posts... “

Boy, was I surprised. Good.


34 posted on 06/09/2010 4:11:01 AM PDT by dljordan ("His father's sword he hath girded on, And his wild harp slung behind him")
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To: eddie willers
Cop ought to get a medal.

Cop ought to be thrown in jail.

35 posted on 06/09/2010 5:43:46 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: marktwain
The 4th Amendment?
Jeez I should have remembered that one that when I was 'young, frisky and STOO-PID.

'We' used to get stopped and FRISKED all the time just because we wore our 'Colors' (yep, I was in an 'Outlaw' MC Club). One day in winter, a 'nice' CPD Tactical Officer even went through my car truck without asking my permission after a stop.
(The stop was because he saw my Colors when he was behind me, no other reason.)

That Tactical Cop was a known p___k.
'We' had friends who were on the CPD and worked the same District, no one liked him)

36 posted on 06/09/2010 5:50:55 AM PDT by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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To: Oldexpat

“Even my dog is alerted by men in hoodies”

My dog is alerted by shadows on the wall and the wind blowing through trees. So what?


37 posted on 06/09/2010 6:33:06 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: eddie willers

“You think this is unwarranted?”

Yes! Seeing someone clutch something is NOT probable cause. We do not walk the streets by the leave of cops.


38 posted on 06/09/2010 6:35:37 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Oceander

“In which case it wasn’t a valid stop-n-frisk, and the court was correct.”

Yes, precisely.


39 posted on 06/09/2010 6:37:00 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Solidstatechemist; The Magical Mischief Tour

Yes, it’s “reining”.

Damn homophones.


40 posted on 06/09/2010 6:44:34 AM PDT by Hepsabeth
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