Skip to comments.Abby is the Litmus Test
Posted on 06/12/2010 9:51:14 AM PDT by Talisker
I've found the slander and contempt expressed on Free Republic towards Abby Sunderland and her parents quite interesting. Of course, we're all supposed to believe that every post on FR is independently made, but these hate posts have been too interlocked in similiarly bizarre content for me to believe that.
Basically the hateful screeds boil down to Abby being a child instead of a young woman, unable to understand the danger of her trip, put at risk by fame seeking parents, to do something with no socially approved redeeming value, which ended in abject failure due to Abby's incompetence, and for which CPS should be called in to have Abby pulled from the family for re-education, while the parents are jailed, fined, and billed for the rescue efforts.
In short, an absolutely damning, completely collectivist viewpoint with zero acknowledgement of independent rights, which is based solely on collectivist evaluation, collectivist judgment, and collectivist punishment - fronted as family values and child protection.
Oh yeah, and also a complete and utter lie.
For there were many expert sailors as advisors behind this trip, all of whom signed off on both Abby's abilities, her equipment and her trip plan. And there was never any hint of her family not being willing to pay for any part of the rescue efforts. Entire ships have been destroyed through rogue waves, but there's no acknowledgement of that universal danger. And Abby performed beautifully as a sailor and as an adult, through storms, equipment failures, and difficulties across thousands of miles of sailing, and a crisis situation which would have had all of these naysayers pissing their pants.
But pants pissing is the point here - the very big point. Because Abby threatens the millions of families who base their concept of child rearing on the idea that childhood, literally, never ends. That children must be driven everywhere and monitored constantly, even as teenagers. That they need psych meds for growing pains. That responsibility is an injustice towards them, because they can't be allowed to develop any personal power that is not first approved by the mommy educational collective.
So pants pissing has become noble. It has become the sign of respect towards the community, of good parenting, and of normal childhood - the childhood that never ends. In fact, pants-pissing has become the litmus test of social approval itself, because it enables the protection of neurotic helicopter parents who see bogeymen under every bush so that they can justify an obsession about their children's safety that allows THEM to never grow up.
And guess which political party they ALL belong to, and HOPE to never CHANGE from?
So to them, now - now - "we" have this tiny little thumb-sucking girl child, only 16 years old and so barely out of diapers, being thrown into the ocean by greedy parents, straight into a hurricane to drown for their greed, with absolutely no approval from any group of safety parent educators or state approved parental control boards!
Do you realize what this could do to the carefully created psychological voting blocks of the pants pissers? Especially when that so-called "mom" from Alaska with the big family that hunts and fishes and camps and snow machines is running around actually threatening to run for high office?
Do you see the connection here? If Abby is praised and acknowledged for her courage and maturity, and for living life instead of just conforming to it, and especially - especially - for her individuality, her acceptance of personal risk and responsibility without the approval of the collective, people might start to remember what it means to be an American again! They might start to remember freedom, and risk for the sake of living life to the fullest, and learning through doing, and the value of learning courage in the face of difficulty, and they might start to discover their self-respect again, and build character.
And how would that effect the pants-pissing moms who scuttle through life at the end of the snapping fingers of feminist, communist, education-collective politicians? How would that effect their views of the locked-down, cop-patrolled, drug-infected, psych-medicated, fenced prison hellholes of morale-crushing subservience called public schools? How would that effect the ability of these politicians to convince these collectively-approved, latte-sucking "moms" to continue to destroy their children - by never letting them grow up - in the name of "safety"?
And above all, how would that effect the votes?
No, no, no, no, no. Call out the shills, invade the Net, and even get on Free Republic and in the name of God, parenting, sin, ego, vanity, stupidity and every other communist-studied conservative trigger-word, invoke cowardice in the name of responsibility, rip away adulthood with the insult of enforced childhood, hammer on cost without mentioning no resistance to payment, and above all sneer at parenting that is based of building courage and trust and adventure as an absolutely unforgivable violation of the sacred order of socially approved pants-pissing.
And demand wet pants! Wet pants for social justice! Wet pants for lack of guilt! And especially, wet pants for votes!
After all, it's for the children.
P.S. Congratulations to Abby and her family - you all did great. Abby sailed with competence, courage and joy, and inspired millions of people. If America is to have a future in freedom, she and people like her are the ones who will make it happen. But above all, she and her family made selfish cowards and conniving hypocrites everywhere publicly wet themselves, and for that America is truly grateful.
He is right. The nanny State is alive and well at Free Republic. A bunch of sour puss, meddlesome, feckless weak-kneed, hand wringing sad pussed fearfull little chicken littles.
What a nasty, hate-filled, sarcastic post. That girl must really be a threat to you. You say that sailing alone 12,000 miles - halfway around the world — is not an achievement. So be it. We disagree on that issue. But why the vitriol? I still say that jealousy (envy) is behind many of these negative posts.
I dont let my 18 or 20 year old take my boat out alone...
Congratulations on your and your families definitions of safety.
Don’t demand that everybody else follow your definition of prudence.
Why in the world would you think that what is right for you must be demanded of everybody else?
“Basically the hateful screeds boil down to Abby being a child instead of a young woman, unable to understand the danger of her trip, put at risk by fame seeking parents, to do something with no socially approved redeeming value, which ended in abject failure due to Abby’s incompetence, and for which CPS should be called in to have Abby pulled from the family for re-education, while the parents are jailed, fined, and billed for the rescue efforts. “
Sound about right to me...
Who cares if she gets book deals, stories and interviews. Heck, I’d love to see an interview of this adventure. What is wrong with you people on this site? This young woman very clearly has been raised outside the box. Kudos to her and her parents! I could care less if they make millions. That is clearly not what this is about.
Why can’t you just let that family do what they want to do? Why must you impose your vision of normal on them? What gives you the right to meddle in their decisions?
Someone’s tin foil hat needs to be replaced.
>> so you would be fine with this if the rescue were privately funded?
Basically, yeah, I guess I would. I would privately question the wisdom of Abby and, moreso, her parents for embarking on the trip, and if I were in a role to advise them I’d advise them against it. I think it’s a BAD idea.
But if THEY bear the entire risk for their own adventure, and THEY fund the entire support effort and the rescue should something go wrong, then it’s none of my business, regardless of what I think about the wisdom of it.
Praise the Lord!
Fact is yes she did, and so do a lot of folks. We hear of them every day. Her age and beauty tweaked this.
But I’m glad she’s safe and I for one, think she should push her own limits. Her parents evidently thought so too.
Meanwhile all other 16 year old kids are busy shopping, running up credit cards or whatever....
Your kidding right Bob?
Are you really so meddlesome and small that you would demand jail time for the family? So much for “Free” Republic.
wow. that’s some post you got there. back away from the keyboard and take a breath. You could not be more clueless.
For name, fame and glory.
Your great, great Aunt did something useful.
That’s the difference.
Are you truly that much of an idiot?
Or....do you just play one on FreeRepublic?
Best post of the day.
You really don’t get it, do you?
While I don’t think it wise, I really don’t give a rat’s a$$ what they do. Provided THEY furnish ALL the resources to do it.
Just like I don’t mind if you scrape together every cent you can borrow to buy a million dollar house, because you think tomorrow it’ll be worth two million. I’ll think you’re nuts, but that’s your deal. PROVIDED you don’t come running to me (as a taxpayer) to bail your sorry ass out when it becomes obvious that you got in way over your head.
That’s just how I feel about Miss Adventure here.
The original rant attributed all sorts of evil motives to FReepers who don’t want to bail out pseudo-adventurers, like we’re some kind of candy-ass socialists. But it misses the point. DO what you want! Just bear the WHOLE RESPONSIBILITY for what you do! That to me is a conservative attitude. This idea that we’re all supposed to help out the selfish egos that attack stuff like sailing around the world when you’re a kid strikes me as the ultimate Libtard attitude.
On the other hand are those who believe that minor children ought to have the right to express their sexuality by enjoying unrestricted sexual freedom. Is it nanny-statism to deny them that? I've no doubt it would be if we were dealing with adults. But minors require a certain degree of protection from society, including protections against being exploited by adults, or putting themselves (or being suffered to put themselves) into positions which may be harmful to those of their limited experience. I know there's a lot of debate as to what might constitute such positions, but if getting into a small boat and trying to sail unaccompanied around the world isn't one of them, then literally nothing is, and we might as well lower the age of majority to fourteen, or whatever we can agree upon. Of course at that point some valiant thirteen-year-old will come along pushing the envelope, and we'll be right back where we started.
As long as her parents pay for the cost of recovering/rescuing their daughter, it’s all fine with me. Just don’t charge taxpayers for saving this kid when she gets in trouble.
Just pathetic --- and the French captain of the fishing boat who saved her fell overboard and had to be rescued.
What an utterly nasty, stupid, narcissistic sicko family.
Looking at your posting history, I see that essentially all of your posts are as brainless and vacuous as your last one to me.
Bet you’re fun at parties. Yawn.
I believe that the age given for Mary mother of Jesus was just 14. How about that torrid romance Romeo and Juliet. What was Juliet’s age? And so it goes.
ATV thrill riders who buy those things just to race up and down the wild hills in daredevil stunts;of course they didn't bother asking before making lots of erosion -enhancing ruts on my private property,cutting inconvenient fences,and so on.All for pointless adrenaline surges.We lost a good friend who insisted on racing uphill helmetless on an ATV.Fatal head injury.
Now I suppose you might make a case that all these people engaged in high-risk pointless endeavors weed out the incompetent risk-takers and those who survive and procreate pass along more highly developed reflexes or something.
Either one respects freedom for all or one holds it in contempt for all. There is no middle ground. Do you want the State to leave you alone? To stop telling you how to live your life? Then stop telling the State to mess with other people's lives. If you demand that the State regulate the other guy's life, then you are giving the State permission to regulate yours.
A true conservative demands the end of the Nanny State. He does not encourage it to seek out new victims.
You are painting with a broad brush.
Abby could not do any of this without financial backing (and loads of it) which she did not personally earn.
Parents can and do groom their children to fulfill THEIR OWN desires, often at great risk (emotional and/or physical) to the child.
I do not know if that is the case here, but I do know that it does happen ... so it’s a relevant point to make and question to ask.
And its not ‘collectivist’ to ask.
It’s only collectivist to tell others not to ask.
How many times did steve fosset need to be rescued? Richard Branson? Just because you don’t succeed means that you should not have tried.I think you better stay on your couch because something might happen to you if you move.
I agree, this young woman was and is being exploited by her parents.. this could have cost her,her life..
Her father is supposed to protect her, yes even from herself and her dreams if necessary .
Shame on them
Whorealdo was all over this; mentioned that the kids were home schooled. Probably a code for practicing Christians.
Who appointed you posting Nazi? No post for you! Being a noob is a relative thing.
If the parents hurry up they can have another child so they can train him(or her) to sail around the world at age ten, what the heck, 6 would be better...or maybe even as a baby, would a 6 month old be able to....only the parents know for sure?
They are not asking for your permission.
They are not seeking your approval.
They are not trying to not pay for the rescue.
The fact that people hear in this forum want to throw them in Jail for child endangerment is nuts.
If you cannot accept bad outcomes then you cannot be free.
Your sexuality of thirteen year olds argument??? Whatever.
The State does not own the people who live within it's jurisdiction. If you want to be free to make choices then you have to be free to make bad choices.
Speaking of Sunday, what about parents that send their kids on mission trips to third world countries or into gang-infested inner cities in the US? Even driving is more dangerous than sailing - the death rate of teenage drivers is far higher than sailing.
It’s a big dangerous world out there. I would rather my children dream about big things, teach others about Jesus, than sit on their asses playing xbox all day.
>> I think you better stay on your couch because something might happen to you if you move.
I have a better idea. I can, and do, take plenty of risks, including activities that carry the possibility of physical harm.
If there isn’t the possibility of failure, then by definition it isn’t really a risk — right? So as a conservative, I plan for BOTH outcomes, success AND failure — and I make sure I have what it takes to be responsible in the case of failure. If I think it over and decide that I’m unwilling or unable to be responsible should I fail, then I won’t undertake the risk — it’s unacceptable to me.
This is particularly true if the REASON I’m taking the risk is for personal gain, pleasure or ego gratification. Different criteria would apply if it was a risk required to (for example) save the life of a family member or escape from a country where I might be imprisoned or killed.
That, my FRiend, is how a CONSERVATIVE behaves.
Are YOU a conservative?
Abby and her family were NOT conservative, IMO. They took an UNNECESSARY risk for personal reasons — remember, risk includes the possibility of failure — knowing full well that if something happened, they could not be responsible to provide the navy and aircraft required to rescue their daughter. A thoughtful, responsible CONSERVATIVE would not take such a risk for such a reason knowing that a huge cost would be required of others should they fail. And satisfying an ego, writing a book, breaking a record is not sufficient reason to put the burden and expense of failure on an innocent party.
Remember, the original poster in his rant made it personal — suggesting that anyone who opposed Abby’s stunt must be a nannystate socialist. That’s what gets under my skin, because just the opposite is true. Those who think the world should bail out their stupidity and failures are of a piece with the socialist mindset.
Excellent post. FR is riddled with disgusting Nanny Staters, unfortunately.
You are right on my friend!
On other threads I told the story of my 13 yr old grandmother travelling alone from Germany to come to the US, get a job, and 5 yrs later marry my grandfather who as the eldest of 12 in a fatherless home raised most of his siblings.
Prolonging adolescence gets us a ninnified, dependent electorate that elected Obama. 16 is old enough to dream big, work hard and achieve spectacularly.
We have been invaded by whimps.
Who gives you the God-like ability to attribute motivation?
People here on “Free” Republic are advocating jail time for her parents. In other words, bringing the whole judicial coercive power of the State to bear to correct behavior they don't approve of.
Were you involved in the family's planning for her circumnavigation? You sound as if you have intimate knowledge of their motivation and lack of planning and preparation. Since I lack that knowledge and intimate insider view of their planning I am really curious as to how many pairs of socks she packed? Care to share?
If you want to be free you have to be willing to accept bad outcomes and good. If you remove the right of others to have bad outcomes because it offends you, then you are not free by definition because you want the State, through your duly elected officials to limit the choices of us all.
Americans grow up in highly controlled environments. Environments where from the time they are five years old they show up to the same school building each day. A bell tells them when to sit, when to move, when to eat, when to play. The textbooks are arranged in neat little chapters with sequential questions at the end of each section. These same questions are used to make up the predictable test questions. Everything is neat, easy, safe, and above all predictable. When these same Americans grow up to be voters they demand a world, a society that is highly controlled, neat, clean predictable. God help you if you reject that model because the full coercive force of the government will be thrust upon you by freedom loving Americans.
Every so often, something comes along to make the Nanny Staters charge off a cliff like so many lemmings. The last wave to take the plunge were the Rudy-Rooters.
Let us all harken to the wisdom of one who gladly accepted his government paycheck for being a census taker and then pens a tagline as if he on the front line of the resistance.
>> People here on Free Republic are advocating jail time for her parents.
Straw man. I never said any such thing.
So, genius, if not for ego gratification, or money, why DID she go on the trip? What possible reason would there be? Was she carrying cargo?
You’re arguing nonsense.
It’s a “vanity.”
The best editorial I’ve seen on the subject:
The question isn’t “Should you avoid all risk?”
It’s “Should you assess risks and take ones proportionate to the reward?”
Abby sailed when she did in what she did because she could get companies to pay her money by seeking a record. That is more a scam than an adventure.
Perhaps some here with Abby-aged daughters would not want them, or allow them to be in, similar circumstances, and were simply expressing their opinions to that effect.
Why are you calling me a “genius”. I don't think you mean that in a nice way. It always amuses me that if you advocate freedom in the true sense of the word it is a really quick way to get personal attacks, here at “Free” Republic.
As far as why she did it? She was given a great gift by her parents. She made the best of it. Why are you trying to demean people you don't even know? Again, you must have intimate knowledge of the family that I lack. If you do, why are you throwing your friends under the bus? If you don't have intimate knowledge then why assume the worst about them? Hell, leave them alone and thank God the Abby has survived a very nasty storm.
“It is the Leftists who are threatened by people of achievement such as Abby and her parents — people who don’t need to wait for state approval for every action, and state funding for every mouthful. It was leftists journalists who first raised the issue of “who is going to pay for the rescue?” “
Oh please. This is too much. Being critical of parents letting a 16yo sail solo around the world is not a stretch - and it doesn’t make a leftist to criticize it. You want a hero/heroine - I get that - but she isn’t one. As the original vanity poster pointed out she had a team of folks behind her - all the electronics and navigation gear at her disposal sat phones, whatever. great. Does it make her exceptional? She got into a box of electronics, talked to her mom every day, when things went wrong she called for help.
It’s interesting, and a voyage for her to remember, but is it really exceptional?
I think the parents were idiots for letting their child sail across treacherous waters of the Indian ocean in the southern hemisphere winter - in a pointless race for the calendar.
Now Mr. Leftist-thought-control freak, Do you think it is cheap to equip an A330 for a search mission? It’s a fair question - who pays - you can bet somebody pays. Oh, Mr. Lectury Leftist thinks that “government” pays for everything. Nobody said she shouldn’t be rescued. Idiots are rescued every day from themselves. I don’t blame the kid, but the parents certainly are idiots for sending their daughter on a pointless race against the calendar.
The vanity poster and you can have your opinions same as everyone else - but save the tantrums when someone disagrees with your ridiculous sanctimony.
The kid may be something special, who knows - but she is just like most 16 year olds - she’s never sailed around the world. So what? Most kids don’t have a sailboat, or “yacht” - so what? Some kids are homeschooled some are not - so what?
Yet YOU throw the term “leftist” around?
You should restate your incoherent point.
#1. Parents are idiots for putting their daughter in jeopardy.
#2. A kid with a box of electronics can do things that seem amazing, but doesn’t necessarily make them exceptional
Bravo I say, and Bravo I say again, to this magnificent young lady and to her parents for giving the world such a child.
“but going though the Indian ocean in the winter season when even experienced sailors have advised against it is foolhardy”
And sailing Long Island Sound in the summer can be deadly, as one of my fellow racers found out. Rough weather is rough weather no matter where you are, or what the season.
Bravo to Abby for her spirit of adventure, her bravery, and the skills she has.
“Let us all harken to the wisdom of one who gladly accepted his government paycheck for being a census taker and then pens a tagline as if he on the front line of the resistance.”
Well if it isn’t my old stalker 1raider1. Still not quite sure why you have such a problem with me being a census worker. I would think you would want someone who is NOT ACORN taking down information. The fact that I helped in the CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENT of counting citizens is no shame to me, no matter how many times you want to flag me as some welfare recipient for taking a paycheck while doing a job. And my tagline is absolutely correct as working for four weeks for the census doesn’t mean that this country isn’t going to hell in a handbasket.