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Abby is the Litmus Test

Posted on 06/12/2010 9:51:14 AM PDT by Talisker

I've found the slander and contempt expressed on Free Republic towards Abby Sunderland and her parents quite interesting. Of course, we're all supposed to believe that every post on FR is independently made, but these hate posts have been too interlocked in similiarly bizarre content for me to believe that.

Basically the hateful screeds boil down to Abby being a child instead of a young woman, unable to understand the danger of her trip, put at risk by fame seeking parents, to do something with no socially approved redeeming value, which ended in abject failure due to Abby's incompetence, and for which CPS should be called in to have Abby pulled from the family for re-education, while the parents are jailed, fined, and billed for the rescue efforts.

In short, an absolutely damning, completely collectivist viewpoint with zero acknowledgement of independent rights, which is based solely on collectivist evaluation, collectivist judgment, and collectivist punishment - fronted as family values and child protection.

Oh yeah, and also a complete and utter lie.

For there were many expert sailors as advisors behind this trip, all of whom signed off on both Abby's abilities, her equipment and her trip plan. And there was never any hint of her family not being willing to pay for any part of the rescue efforts. Entire ships have been destroyed through rogue waves, but there's no acknowledgement of that universal danger. And Abby performed beautifully as a sailor and as an adult, through storms, equipment failures, and difficulties across thousands of miles of sailing, and a crisis situation which would have had all of these naysayers pissing their pants.

But pants pissing is the point here - the very big point. Because Abby threatens the millions of families who base their concept of child rearing on the idea that childhood, literally, never ends. That children must be driven everywhere and monitored constantly, even as teenagers. That they need psych meds for growing pains. That responsibility is an injustice towards them, because they can't be allowed to develop any personal power that is not first approved by the mommy educational collective.

So pants pissing has become noble. It has become the sign of respect towards the community, of good parenting, and of normal childhood - the childhood that never ends. In fact, pants-pissing has become the litmus test of social approval itself, because it enables the protection of neurotic helicopter parents who see bogeymen under every bush so that they can justify an obsession about their children's safety that allows THEM to never grow up.

And guess which political party they ALL belong to, and HOPE to never CHANGE from?

So to them, now - now - "we" have this tiny little thumb-sucking girl child, only 16 years old and so barely out of diapers, being thrown into the ocean by greedy parents, straight into a hurricane to drown for their greed, with absolutely no approval from any group of safety parent educators or state approved parental control boards!

Do you realize what this could do to the carefully created psychological voting blocks of the pants pissers? Especially when that so-called "mom" from Alaska with the big family that hunts and fishes and camps and snow machines is running around actually threatening to run for high office?

Do you see the connection here? If Abby is praised and acknowledged for her courage and maturity, and for living life instead of just conforming to it, and especially - especially - for her individuality, her acceptance of personal risk and responsibility without the approval of the collective, people might start to remember what it means to be an American again! They might start to remember freedom, and risk for the sake of living life to the fullest, and learning through doing, and the value of learning courage in the face of difficulty, and they might start to discover their self-respect again, and build character.

And how would that effect the pants-pissing moms who scuttle through life at the end of the snapping fingers of feminist, communist, education-collective politicians? How would that effect their views of the locked-down, cop-patrolled, drug-infected, psych-medicated, fenced prison hellholes of morale-crushing subservience called public schools? How would that effect the ability of these politicians to convince these collectively-approved, latte-sucking "moms" to continue to destroy their children - by never letting them grow up - in the name of "safety"?

And above all, how would that effect the votes?

No, no, no, no, no. Call out the shills, invade the Net, and even get on Free Republic and in the name of God, parenting, sin, ego, vanity, stupidity and every other communist-studied conservative trigger-word, invoke cowardice in the name of responsibility, rip away adulthood with the insult of enforced childhood, hammer on cost without mentioning no resistance to payment, and above all sneer at parenting that is based of building courage and trust and adventure as an absolutely unforgivable violation of the sacred order of socially approved pants-pissing.

And demand wet pants! Wet pants for social justice! Wet pants for lack of guilt! And especially, wet pants for votes!

After all, it's for the children.

P.S. Congratulations to Abby and her family - you all did great. Abby sailed with competence, courage and joy, and inspired millions of people. If America is to have a future in freedom, she and people like her are the ones who will make it happen. But above all, she and her family made selfish cowards and conniving hypocrites everywhere publicly wet themselves, and for that America is truly grateful.


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Are your pants wet yet, comrade?
1 posted on 06/12/2010 9:51:14 AM PDT by Talisker
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To: Talisker

Where is the link to this article?


2 posted on 06/12/2010 9:53:35 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Talisker

And how much aussie taxpayer money and effort went to her “rescue”?

No...she is a child and has no business alone on the high seas...as evidenced.


3 posted on 06/12/2010 9:54:11 AM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompitence..)
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To: Talisker

Try some decaf.


4 posted on 06/12/2010 9:54:23 AM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: Talisker

Your brain inside out, didn’t help.


5 posted on 06/12/2010 9:54:55 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (J. D. Hayworth, the next Senator, the Great State of Arizona - Sen. Poopdeck, Panama is calling...)
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To: Talisker

If Abby is your litmus test, you need to get out more.


6 posted on 06/12/2010 9:55:14 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: Talisker

The Abby threads are almost like the Crevo threads.


7 posted on 06/12/2010 9:56:06 AM PDT by Erasmus (Looks like we're between a lithic outcropping and a region of low compressibility.)
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To: Talisker

Liked this post and have made posts about how many of our soldiers in this nation’s history have been 16. And how many parents hand their “children” a vehicle and cell phone and send them out on the road with us all. Somehow these “children” are responsible when they have not shown anyone they are, and this young girl DOES show she is and is slammed for it.

Very sad.


8 posted on 06/12/2010 9:56:17 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf aInd dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Talisker

Wow you’ve been here for less than 2 years and think a vanity like this in breaking news is good?


9 posted on 06/12/2010 9:57:21 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Talisker

Wha? You mean piloting an account on FR and critiquing doers is not living life to its fullest?!?!?!?


10 posted on 06/12/2010 9:57:29 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Crim

So that she needed rescuing in a dangerous situation is confirmation she is a ‘child’ and had no business out alone?

I had no idea that Amelia Earhart was child! Or maybe it was just unfortunate circumstances and her age had not much to do with it.


11 posted on 06/12/2010 9:59:07 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf aInd dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Talisker

Bingo.


12 posted on 06/12/2010 10:00:01 AM PDT by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: Crim

“And how much aussie taxpayer money and effort went to her “rescue”?”

Even an older, more experienced captain can get into trouble on the sea. Should we only rescue those over a certain age limit?


13 posted on 06/12/2010 10:00:52 AM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: autumnraine
Unfortunately, it's hardly an equal comparison to compare a 16-year old soldier serving the nation with a 16-year old left to fend for herself on the high seas with the full approval of those who are supposed to be her guardians.

That said, there is no doubt that this young lady conducted herself admirably, and I am very glad she is alive. It is also natural to ask whether the trip was appropriate.

14 posted on 06/12/2010 10:01:09 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (No apologies.)
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To: Talisker

Oh yeah? Here’s my theory.

Her parents though that putting her on a boat 1000 miles from the nearest male was likely to be more effective than a chastity belt.

So there.


15 posted on 06/12/2010 10:02:39 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 506 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Talisker

I see some of your points, but there was no need to be insulting and offensive towards those who disagree.

You may also have pointed out that another 16 year old did make it around the world.

Australian Teen Becomes Youngest Person to Sail Solo Around the World

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/05/15/australian-teen-youngest-person-sail-world/

May 15: Sixteen-year-old Jessica Watson waves as she sails past the finish line at the entrance to Sydney Harbour in Sydney, Australia, capping off a nearly 23,000 nautical miles voyage.

A 16-year-old Australian who spent seven months at sea in her pink yacht sailed across the finish line of her round-the-world journey Saturday, becoming the youngest sailor to circle the globe solo, nonstop and unassisted.

Watson, from Buderim, north of Brisbane in Queensland state, sailed out of Sydney on Oct. 18 despite protests by critics that she was too immature and inexperienced for the treacherous journey. Her parents maintained that she was well-prepared and noted she has been sailing since the age of 8.


16 posted on 06/12/2010 10:02:58 AM PDT by SmartInsight (Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. ~ G. J. Nathan)
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To: Talisker
Great Post. I agree with your thoughts completely. It is the Leftists who are threatened by people of achievement such as Abby and her parents -- people who don't need to wait for state approval for every action, and state funding for every mouthful. It was leftists journalists who first raised the issue of "who is going to pay for the rescue?"

When it comes to someone like Abby -- home-schooled, born-again Christian and probably conservative, intelligent, motivated, skilled -- then the reporters become born-again budget hawks, fretting so, lamenting so pitiably, about the funding for the rescue effort. These same reporters never had qualms about billions and trillions being shoved down socialistic rat-holes. Billions for welfare, but not one cent for achievement!

Bravo I say, and Bravo I say again, to this magnificent young lady and to her parents for giving the world such a child.

17 posted on 06/12/2010 10:03:40 AM PDT by Blennos
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To: sam_paine
Wha? You mean piloting an account on FR and critiquing doers is not living life to its fullest?!?!?!?

Post. of. the. day.

18 posted on 06/12/2010 10:04:51 AM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: Talisker

Great post, thank you.

I admit, I hadn’t thought it through to that point. I have stayed off the Abby threads because of all the silly, impotent indignation that is typical for *some* Freepers.

I hope that it least makes some of them think. I doubt it will though. LOL.


19 posted on 06/12/2010 10:05:39 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Talisker

Well and truly said.

What if there were more like Abby? We should be so lucky.

Thousands of girls her age are going to die in wasted, pointless ways... if only they had a little bit of what this girl has, they might not.


20 posted on 06/12/2010 10:05:52 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: sam_paine
Wha? You mean piloting an account on FR and critiquing doers is not living life to its fullest?!?!?!?

LOL! Spot on!

21 posted on 06/12/2010 10:06:24 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Talisker
I agree Talisker,

The same thoughts ran through my mind as I read the comment on the other Abby threads.

I am an adventurer, I also have a day job...but the day job does not reflect the soul that God gave me. I have been running hills, mountains, rivers, and lakes by myself for day long and multi-day trips since I was 13.

If I was not smack dab in middle of the lower 48, I would have probably played out in the ocean more as well.

I applaud this young ladies efforts and adventures. This represents freedom. More people should follow the lead of individuals like this IMHO.

B Cool,

22 posted on 06/12/2010 10:07:00 AM PDT by b cool
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To: Talisker

I’m with you Talisker. Personally, I believe that Abby and her family probably prepared for this epic journey the best they could. It is evident to me that Abby is more than mature enough to make such an attempt. I guess these other folks would rather the record go to some turd world country. How many “children” around the country get killed in auto accidents? Should we bar them from getting into cars?

You folks out there will be great parents while the leftists and media herd you and your children to their “safe” locations. For the good of YOUR children...

Abby Sunderland (and family) are, to me, American heroes for trying.


23 posted on 06/12/2010 10:07:13 AM PDT by jdfromny (At what point are we officially "North Americans"?)
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To: chris_bdba
Wow you’ve been here for less than 2 years and think a vanity like this in breaking news is good?

The posting rules are an issue but the point the original poster makes is a darn good one. I have never seen a bigger bunch of whimps in this forum. This is an American setting out to do a great feat. She obviously was well preparred and set off an a voyage few would have the courage to.

For that she gets trashed by her own, FReepers no less. We are in trouble when even FReepers have turned into sheeple.

24 posted on 06/12/2010 10:07:50 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: null and void

“Her parents though that putting her on a boat 1000 miles from the nearest male was likely to be more effective than a chastity belt.”

Until she gets rescued by a French fishing boat... /sarc


25 posted on 06/12/2010 10:08:39 AM PDT by PLMerite (Ride to the sound of the Guns - I'll probably need help.)
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To: Constitution Day

Heard That...and agree.


26 posted on 06/12/2010 10:09:16 AM PDT by b cool
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To: Talisker

Thank you for the post. You have it right!


27 posted on 06/12/2010 10:09:25 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: PLMerite

Every plan has a flaw...


28 posted on 06/12/2010 10:10:01 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 506 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Talisker
communist-studied conservative trigger-word,

Troll much? Or would you just like a little cheese with that whine?

29 posted on 06/12/2010 10:10:24 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (I Don't Want Obama to Kick Ass. I WANT HIM TO GET OFF HIS ASS!!!!)
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To: Talisker
Of course, we're all supposed to believe that every post on FR is independently made, but these hate posts have been too interlocked in similiarly bizarre content for me to believe that.

So is it your position that a few "pants pissing" posters with multiple FR accounts are responsible for most of the posts criticizing Abby's family?

30 posted on 06/12/2010 10:10:24 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Talisker

I agree with you. I’m sickened by the sheer number of nanny-staters posting screeds against this brave young woman.


31 posted on 06/12/2010 10:10:27 AM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: Crim
No...she is a child and has no business alone on the high seas...as evidenced.

Evidenced by what? That she almost made it? Had she not been dismasted, the worst was pretty much behind her.

32 posted on 06/12/2010 10:10:46 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Talisker; All
Thank you for your post. It is part of America being feminized to define “children” as younger and younger.

Many people seem to think that life can be lived without risk, and that the State can somehow prevent risk, when in fact, live is by definition risky.

They only time you are not at risk is when you are dead.

33 posted on 06/12/2010 10:11:37 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Talisker
I haven't paid much attention to the Abby threads, and was surprised to see they have evolved into pissing matches.

I think it was great for her to try. I also think her family should reimburse the taxpayers of Australia. Were I an Aussie taxpayer, I'd be pretty pissed that my government spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to support the dream of an American teenager.

34 posted on 06/12/2010 10:11:52 AM PDT by TonyInOhio ( Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils.)
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To: autumnraine

I’m with you.


35 posted on 06/12/2010 10:12:24 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen
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To: Talisker

Tomorrow is Sunday. Save your righteous sermons for then.


36 posted on 06/12/2010 10:12:35 AM PDT by fish hawk
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To: Talisker

what a load of bovine excrement, I’m about as right wing as you can get on many things,but going though the Indian ocean in the winter season when even experienced sailors have advised against it is foolhardy


37 posted on 06/12/2010 10:14:25 AM PDT by Charlespg
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To: Talisker
I think your post is very well written and speaks volumes.

I'm also noticing lots of people here are getting really nasty. I thought this was a place to share views and opinions of what is going on in the world. Instead, I'm noticing lots of snippy - nasty stuff being posted. On this thread the person who slams you for being a FReeper for only 2 years. I thought FreeRepublic was a forum that we wanted to grow - especially during fund raising time.

Personally, I've been slammed over and over on the Nevada State board for not falling in with the Tea Party Express pick to run against Harry Reid. I didn't realize that my opinion - as a member of FR for many years - wasn't as important as the next guys. Very Sad. . .

38 posted on 06/12/2010 10:14:47 AM PDT by ninergold3 (Let Go and Let God - He IS In Control)
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To: Talisker

The words, “young woman,” or “young lady” are euphemisms often used for little girls. I might call a small boy, “young man.” She is a child - Sixteen, so YOUR screed against those who are calling her a child is ludicrous, as that is the proper term.

Second, as to her not being old enough to assess proper risk. Everyone who has “kids,” knows that their judgment of anything is not fully developed. We even have much brain science to back this up. The frontal lobe is not fully developed even when a young person is 18 or 19, let alone 16.

Most people worry about their daughters going away to college, let alone sailing alone across the world - where there are pirates, fish with big teeth, and the elements.

And, let’s not forget the sheer idiocy of sailing in the southern hemisphere during their winter. DUH!!!!!!!!!!!

Thus, I conclude with wondering about the judgment skills of the parents as well. “But she likes to sail!” Oh, brother.


39 posted on 06/12/2010 10:15:01 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Talisker
I think I'll withhold judgment on this episode. If the young girl returns safely and refuses interviews, stories, book deals and movie offers then she can say she did it for the challenge. If she and her parents hustle the story for money then they can foot the bill for the rescue. People should be free to take risks, but if the risk is part of a get rich quick scheme that can't expect us extras to pony up for the production costs.
40 posted on 06/12/2010 10:15:17 AM PDT by Old North State
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To: Talisker

So Dude, do ya feel any better now?


41 posted on 06/12/2010 10:16:32 AM PDT by FourPeas (God Save America)
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To: autumnraine

I think most comments are slamming the parents and not the girl. Meanwhile, driving a car two miles to the local mall is not even remotely close to sailing across the oceans.

Have you ever even sailed? Well, I have. I used to sail on Lake Erie, which is the most dangerous lake as it is shallow.

This girl might be responsible. Great. What’s the big darn rush. And as for soldiers in our history being 16, that didn’t make it right and a lot of those kids died, crying for their mommies.


42 posted on 06/12/2010 10:17:18 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Talisker

This was spot on and in spite of the nay sayers you nailed it. A liberal friend of mine was wringing here hands over her son going to a summer camp. Iasked her if you would feel bettr if she was still wet nursing him and wiping his 14 year old butt? She didn’t really appreciate the question, or the implication.


43 posted on 06/12/2010 10:17:27 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: autumnraine
Good point. I don't know that I could send Sassy out alone in the ocean. We had a charter boat & fished for years over a hundred miles out. At times I was scared myself. And many times we had some of our children with us. Does that make me a bad parent? I didn't think so.

I am pretty protective ...But I do allow Sassy on horses & I get heat for that. I hear she is just 10 & you let her on a huge horse that could throw her...Her trainer is right there & yes it could happen. But you have to live. I am not going to put her in a bubble. So far she is doing really well but there will be tosses & sore bottoms. But that is life.

I see teens driving that IMHO shouldn't be. IF their parents had a clue they would take the car away hopefully. But I see so many parents who really don't seem to care. I have teen drivers in my neighborhood who fly through here. We try & talk to the parents & they scream their little darlings do not drive like that. Finally some of us moms with young kids called the cops & they sat an undercover car here & caught them....

I prayed Abby would be safe. I don't think I could let my child do it but I don't know Abby or her parents. Some children are more mature then adults I know...

44 posted on 06/12/2010 10:17:34 AM PDT by pandoraou812 (Hey 0.....you don't kick A$$, you kiss A$$)
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To: null and void

he he.


45 posted on 06/12/2010 10:17:54 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Talisker
Interesting alternative view of Abby Sunderlands attempt to sail around the world by herself and some of the hostile reactions to the story seen on FR.

I know next to nothing about sailing or what kind of preparations were made for the Sunderland adventure. Like most non-sailors reading about this, I made the logical assumption that the attempt was carefully planned with plenty of safety precautions in place, which seems to have been proven correct. I also assumed that Abby Sunderland was considered by her parents to be proficient enough to make this attempt, solo.

I never believed the characterizations I've read (here and elsewhere) that attempted to portray Abby's parents as greedy publicity-seekers that deliberately put their teenage daughter in mortal danger out of some pathological desire for reflected glory. I thought those characterizations were ridiculous. I still do.

Like most, I don't know all the intricate details associated with Abby Sunderland's attempt to sail around the world by herself but I did think it was a risky proposition. Others have succeeded - but many have failed. I admire the girl's courage and determination and while some facts may eventually come to light to change my mind, I see no reason to trash the girl and/or her parents motives.

Although I'm not in full agreement with the title post's assertions that your reactions to Abby Sunderland's aborted quest determines your political mindset, I do believe that some people just want to criticize others, often in the harshest terms possible - and the anonymous internet is a great place to do so. Those folks can be ignored. Meanwhile, I share the relief of many that Abby Sunderland is safe.

46 posted on 06/12/2010 10:20:05 AM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: Charlespg

Conservative does not necessarily mean “uses one’s brain.”

I suppose bungee jumping will be the next example used to show how independent thinking people can act, or base jumping...


47 posted on 06/12/2010 10:20:50 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Talisker
I'm with you. The hand wringing and whining on FR over this is embarrassing.

The idea that one should not make an attempt at something like this is saying that all the great inventors and innovators should have just stayed home in bed.

48 posted on 06/12/2010 10:21:44 AM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: Talisker

This is the lamest opus I’ve ever seen.

Look. If you are gonna get your panties all in a wad over one stupid indicent, then go all the way:

1. Start a Flame War.
2. USE LOTS OF CAPS!!!
3. Ping Jim Robinson
4. State clearly you are never coming back.
5. GTFO


49 posted on 06/12/2010 10:22:10 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (PALIN/MCCAIN IN 2012 - barf alert? sarc tag? -- can't decide)
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To: PLMerite

well stated!!!


50 posted on 06/12/2010 10:23:17 AM PDT by ronniesgal ( I miss George Bush. Hell, I miss Bill Clinton!!)
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