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SC: Greene's Primary Opponent Calls for Investigation of Election Results
Fox ^ | June 12, 2010

Posted on 06/13/2010 9:50:27 AM PDT by upchuck

Vic Rawl, who was the presumptive Democratic nominee in South Carolina's U.S. Senate race until his upset loss this week to unemployed military veteran Alvin Greene, is now calling for an investigation into the results.

Rawl, a four-term former lawmaker who was heavily favored to win Tuesday, has accepted the help of a couple of mathematics professors who found some possible anomalies in voting patterns, including Rawl's superior performance among absentee voters compared with Election Day voters. Another expert examined voting machines used in the primary to check for malfunctions or tampering.

"These findings concern the campaign, and should concern all of South Carolina," Rawl said in a press release issued late Friday. "We do not know that anything was done by anyone to tamper with Tuesday's election, or whether there may have been innocuous machine malfunctions, and we are promoting no theories about either possibility."

"However, we do feel that further investigation is warranted," he said.

Greene did not return messages left for him at his home.

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It was hard not to use "Political Humor/Cartoons" as a topic for this article.

This fiasco just gets better and better.

1 posted on 06/13/2010 9:50:27 AM PDT by upchuck
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To: upchuck; 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; A Strict Constructionist; ...
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2 posted on 06/13/2010 9:50:57 AM PDT by upchuck (Don't let freedom slip away. After America, there is no place to go ~ Kitty Werthmann - Google her.)
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To: upchuck

Hey SC, I see you got those voting machines fine tuned for November. Maybe you should look THERE first!


3 posted on 06/13/2010 9:52:08 AM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: upchuck
I'll tell you exactly what happened: A large portion of Republicans switched over to Democrat for the primary specifically to get Mr. Greene nominated.

Democrats do this all the time, but it's OK when they do it.

4 posted on 06/13/2010 9:52:19 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The only stable state is the one in which all men are equal before the law." -- Aristotle)
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To: upchuck

They are trying to figure a way to blame it on George Bush.


5 posted on 06/13/2010 9:53:28 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: upchuck
Sit back and enjoy the show as the "Democrat" party conspires to defraud the people of their democratically selected candidate.

This one is going to stink, real bad, before they finish off Mr. Greene.

6 posted on 06/13/2010 9:54:02 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“but it’s OK when they do it.”

Even the illegal stuff is OK if they do it for the common good.


7 posted on 06/13/2010 9:54:12 AM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We are an Oligarchy now and worse if we fail. TeaParty On...)
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To: upchuck

more popcorn.


8 posted on 06/13/2010 9:54:26 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: upchuck

It doesn’t make sense for the republicans to waste time screwing with democrats in this race. The democrats weren’t going to win anyway.

I do wonder if Greene wasn’t a shot across the bow of the democrats fired by the ACORN/SEIU crowd.


9 posted on 06/13/2010 9:55:36 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: upchuck

Vic Rawl, who was the presumptive Democratic nominee in South Carolina’s U.S. Senate race until his upset loss this week to unemployed military veteran Alvin Greene, is now calling for an investigation into the results.

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Dangling chads, anyone ???


10 posted on 06/13/2010 9:55:57 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: upchuck

Maybe they should just make voters show their papers?


11 posted on 06/13/2010 9:56:17 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

IMHO, that’s a reasonable assumption. Interesting that the “experts” have said nothing about this possibility.

We need to close the primaries. Much fairer all around.


12 posted on 06/13/2010 9:56:39 AM PDT by upchuck (Don't let freedom slip away. After America, there is no place to go ~ Kitty Werthmann - Google her.)
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To: upchuck

This is hilarious. The Dem elite now think they’re being scammed by who they consider to be the Dem riffraff. LOL!


13 posted on 06/13/2010 9:57:18 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“I’ll tell you exactly what happened: A large portion of Republicans switched over to Democrat for the primary specifically to get Mr. Greene nominated.”

Not likely, with a Republican Governor to be nominated.

Black Democrats voted for Greene, and he annoyed the rest of the electorate with his robocalls and spam emails.


14 posted on 06/13/2010 9:58:00 AM PDT by devere
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To: Venturer
They are trying to figure a way to blame it on George Bush.

That's easy.

If George Bush didn't make a contest out of the 2000 election, Al Gore wouldn't have been forced to contest the results. But since Gore set the precedent that Bush caused, Rawl has no choice but to follow Gore and contest the results.

-PJ

15 posted on 06/13/2010 9:59:56 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Black Democrats voted for Greene, and he annoyed the rest of the electorate with his robocalls and spam emails.”

Correction:

Greene’s opponent annoyed the rest of the electorate with his robocalls and spam emails.


16 posted on 06/13/2010 10:00:20 AM PDT by devere
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To: devere

Don’t forget about the Black Churches that put out the free advertising to side with Greene.

No matter what the Democrats do now...they basically destroy the party “trust” mechanism for the next two years. Everybody is going to register as a Democrat and vote for the number two or three guy....so the primary business is a total joke from this point on.


17 posted on 06/13/2010 10:00:50 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: upchuck

Sharing PopcornSharing PopcornSharing Popcorn

18 posted on 06/13/2010 10:02:01 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: devere

This is a recount of votes that were meant to be cast for someone else? This is better than name entertainment!


19 posted on 06/13/2010 10:02:29 AM PDT by Mouton
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To: upchuck

Vic Rawl is just going to have to accept this sincere snicker ... —> The voters are just not into you !!!


20 posted on 06/13/2010 10:04:33 AM PDT by xtinct (The will of God will never take you where the Grace of God will not protect you..Be Strong Patriots!)
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To: cripplecreek

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/content/search?SearchText=Demint%2C+South+Carolina+senate&SearchButton.x=7&SearchButton.y=3&SearchButton=submit

At some point in the last couple of weeks, there was some speculation Demint wasn’t all that safe after all. The complaint was supposed to be that he was neglecting South Carolina constituents for national presence. ( I don’t know why Rasmussen had him matched up against this Tennenbaum if Rawls was the Dem favorite)


21 posted on 06/13/2010 10:05:00 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: upchuck

A couple of confused “rats” running around not paying any attention to the 800 Pound Gorilla in the room named Jim DeMint. Who cares what they think, do, investigate, payoff, bribe or pray to? Amusing if you like watching animal behavior, I suppose.


22 posted on 06/13/2010 10:05:44 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (http://www.thepatriotsflag.com - The Patriot's Flag)
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To: upchuck

I love how they have to ignore the elephant (donkey?) in the room.

Alvin Greene is black. Black Democratic voters are more likely to vote for the black candidate if they don’t know much about any of the candidates otherwise, because he’s “their” candidate. It’s simple. If Rawl has lousy name recognition and isn’t well known among black voters, they’re going to vote for Greene. It’s not rocket surgery.

Because of the hotly-contested gubernatorial primary, I really doubt there were a whole lot of Republican crossover votes. Maybe this guy’s a plant? I doubt it, though.

}:-)4


23 posted on 06/13/2010 10:06:03 AM PDT by Moose4 (November 2, 2010--the day that "YES WE CAN" becomes "OH NO YOU DIN'T")
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To: Paladin2
Maybe they should just make voters show their papers?

All kidding aside, SC voters must present their voter registration card or a picture ID in order to vote. Most folks just show their drivers license. The voter's name and address are compared with the voter rolls to make sure they are eligible to vote.

24 posted on 06/13/2010 10:06:46 AM PDT by upchuck (Don't let freedom slip away. After America, there is no place to go ~ Kitty Werthmann - Google her.)
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To: SandRat

Precisely! LOL


25 posted on 06/13/2010 10:07:53 AM PDT by upchuck (Don't let freedom slip away. After America, there is no place to go ~ Kitty Werthmann - Google her.)
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To: gusopol3

Inez Tenenbaum is the two-term Superintendent of Education in SC (which is an elected executive office, SC has more of those than anywhere else in the country). She’s the only Rat that’s been able to hold statewide office during the Republican domination the past eight years, and thus is probably the biggest Democratic “name” in the state who would be considered for higher office.

}:-)4


26 posted on 06/13/2010 10:08:20 AM PDT by Moose4 (November 2, 2010--the day that "YES WE CAN" becomes "OH NO YOU DIN'T")
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To: Moose4

Thanks, maybe Greene can take her on for Superintendent of Education if he loses the Senate race.


27 posted on 06/13/2010 10:11:09 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3

That is very old. IIRC, Tennenbaum ran against Jim the last time. Jim beat her like a dog. She now has some position w/n the nobama regime.


28 posted on 06/13/2010 10:11:19 AM PDT by upchuck (Don't let freedom slip away. After America, there is no place to go ~ Kitty Werthmann - Google her.)
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To: gusopol3
FYI, more info on Tenenbaum.
29 posted on 06/13/2010 10:17:25 AM PDT by upchuck (Don't let freedom slip away. After America, there is no place to go ~ Kitty Werthmann - Google her.)
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Oh, you’re right, that’s from ‘04.


30 posted on 06/13/2010 10:19:11 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3

http://mydd.com/users/georgeo57/posts/that-demint-is-vulnerable-in-sc-spells-big-trouble-for-gop-in-november

This was the concern a couple weeks ago, however.


31 posted on 06/13/2010 10:22:26 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: upchuck

This is all so mind-numbingly stupid.

So the Republicans, who were going to keep this seat in a landslide anyway, tampered to get this guy the nomination... how? How exactly did the Republicans convince 100,000 Democratic primary voters to vote for him when he did exactly zero campaigning?

Even if some Republican put up the filing fee for Greene, there’s no way to steal the nomination for him, short of massive, state-wide ballot tampering. Got any proof of that? I doubt it. And in all of these black precincts? I double doubt it.

And there’s no way that significant numbers of Republicans crossed over to throw the primary to this guy. Republicans didn’t know about Greene any more than the Democrats did, unless again, there was some absolutely ridiculous-in-size state-wide conspiracy going on.

Republicans were all voting in their hot gubernatorial primary. There’s no way in hell a significant number gave that up just to throw a primary that doesn’t need to be thrown.

The obvious fact is that, like every single black electorate in America, this black electorate voted for who they thought was probably the black candidate. And Vic Rawl assumed he would win because the establishment was behind him, and thus didn’t do enough campaigning to overcome that fact.


32 posted on 06/13/2010 10:24:16 AM PDT by MitchellC
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To: MitchellC

Bump!

It’ll be interesting to see where this goes.


33 posted on 06/13/2010 10:26:28 AM PDT by upchuck (Don't let freedom slip away. After America, there is no place to go ~ Kitty Werthmann - Google her.)
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To: gusopol3

Date on this “news” is
Monday, October 11, 2004


34 posted on 06/13/2010 10:32:53 AM PDT by devere
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To: devere

I know, sorry, but see post 31 for the correct recent reference.


35 posted on 06/13/2010 10:38:09 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Drango

More popcorn is right! These fools are just digging the hole they are in deeper and deeper!


36 posted on 06/13/2010 10:38:59 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from the Right Stuff!)
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To: pepsionice
"No matter what the Democrats do now...they basically destroy the party "trust" mechanism for the next two years. Everybody is going to register as a Democrat and vote for the number two or three guy....so the primary business is a total joke from this point on."

I attended the Texas Libertarian delegate conference yesterday in Austin as a guest of a friend who's running for the state senate. It's interesting that they don't hold primaries for all the reasons we've seen with the tampering in the Pub/Rat primaries.

The state officers elect a proportionate number of district delegates to cast their informed vote for the best candidates in contested races (about 100+ delegates for 33 districts - very manageable size for the 2nd most populous state). The proper paperwork must be done first by the candidate, then in the convention, candidates with the proper filings must get nominated by a delegate and a delegate must also go on the record to vouch for them.

It had a lot of transparency and oversight. I don't see any way to tamper with the voting process. The only fraud that could occur would be for the nominees to try to buy votes from the elected delegates, and as soon as the first or 2nd offer was made, it would blow up in their face.

37 posted on 06/13/2010 10:40:49 AM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: upchuck
"Franken" the vote with MN mathematicians.
38 posted on 06/13/2010 10:46:39 AM PDT by justrepublican (Screaming like a "Vexatious requester" at a Wellstone memorial...........)
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To: upchuck

This guy(Greene)is broke, can you tell me how a person without a large org behind them could possibly affect elections, especially the absentee vote? The dimwits are simply pi**ed that their guy didn’t win.


39 posted on 06/13/2010 10:58:28 AM PDT by calex59
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To: 70th Division

Ping. Demrat dry run for November.


40 posted on 06/13/2010 11:02:40 AM PDT by dools007
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To: upchuck

There’s the problem with this being a SEIU/ACORN plant.


41 posted on 06/13/2010 11:34:17 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: MitchellC
exactly.

The racist blacks just voted for the brother with the matching skin tone, just as they always do. End of story.

It wouldn't of matter if they had known about his criminal history... in fact he might have won by larger margins if they had known. The black community only cares about the color of peoples skin.

42 posted on 06/13/2010 11:52:57 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: upchuck

I wonder what position Greene had on the ballot. Could be he was above Rawl, giving him an advantage over Rawl among those who didn’t recognize either name.


43 posted on 06/13/2010 1:50:17 PM PDT by Think free or die
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Yes, the black vote could have gone to Greene because he was black himself, but how did the voters know that if Greene didn’t do any campaigning?

Another possibility is that the vote had nothing to do about Greene at all, but rather was a voter rejection of Vic Rawl. Greene just happened to be someone who collected this protest vote. I don’t know anything about the SC political scene, can someone who is more familiar with it explore this hypothesis?


44 posted on 06/13/2010 2:34:46 PM PDT by Salohcin
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To: devere
and he annoyed the rest of the electorate with his robocalls and spam emails.

No. He didn't do any campaigning. But I don't think the "presumptive nominee" did much, thinking he was a shoo-in. The issue was nobody knew either of these guys. The hunch is, and I believe correct, that a good many of the black Dem voters picked the guy who they thought was black, and who happened to be first on the ballot.
45 posted on 06/13/2010 2:43:10 PM PDT by visualops (Proud Air Force Mom)
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To: pepsionice
Don’t forget about the Black Churches that put out the free advertising to side with Greene.

Don't make stuff up. Greene did no campaigning, and nobody campaigned for him, few even knew he was running. He was just a name on the ballot.
46 posted on 06/13/2010 2:45:14 PM PDT by visualops (Proud Air Force Mom)
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To: upchuck

What happened to “he won get over it”? I dare Al Green to show the world his long form birth certificate showing he is over 30 years old and an American Citizen thus eligible unlike Obie.


47 posted on 06/13/2010 2:50:37 PM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: Think free or die

The ballot is alphabetical, and Greene was first.


48 posted on 06/13/2010 2:56:10 PM PDT by visualops (Proud Air Force Mom)
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To: Think free or die
I wonder what position Greene had on the ballot.

Ballots are in alphabetical order.

49 posted on 06/13/2010 2:59:45 PM PDT by upchuck (Don't let freedom slip away. After America, there is no place to go ~ Kitty Werthmann - Google her.)
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To: Think free or die
I wonder what position Greene had on the ballot.

Greene was first on the ballot. Being first has long been known to provide a big edge. It probably doesn't hurt that Alvin Greene's name is very similar to that of soul-singer-turned-pastor Al Green.

Name recognition + first on ballot = big win


50 posted on 06/13/2010 3:12:36 PM PDT by DallasMike
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