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U.S. Discovers Vast Riches of Minerals in Afghanistan
NY Times ^ | June 13, 2010 | James Risen

Posted on 06/13/2010 6:27:46 PM PDT by americanophile

WASHINGTON — The United States has discovered nearly $1 trillion in untapped mineral deposits in Afghanistan, far beyond any previously known reserves and enough to fundamentally alter the Afghan economy and perhaps the Afghan war itself, according to senior American government officials. The previously unknown deposits — including huge veins of iron, copper, cobalt, gold and critical industrial metals like lithium — are so big and include so many minerals that are essential to modern industry that Afghanistan could eventually be transformed into one of the most important mining centers in the world, the United States officials believe.

An internal Pentagon memo, for example, states that Afghanistan could become the “Saudi Arabia of lithium,” a key raw material in the manufacture of batteries for laptops and Blackberries.

The vast scale of Afghanistan’s mineral wealth was discovered by a small team of Pentagon officials and American geologists. The Afghan government and President Hamid Karzai were recently briefed, American officials said.

While it could take many years to develop a mining industry, the potential is so great that officials and executives in the industry believe it could attract heavy investment even before mines are profitable, providing the possibility of jobs that could distract from generations of war.

“There is stunning potential here,” Gen. David H. Petraeus, commander of the United States Central Command, said in an interview on Saturday. “There are a lot of ifs, of course, but I think potentially it is hugely significant.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; lithium; mineraldeposits; riches
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To: Vendome
You were saying ...

We will never leave Krapganistan

Don't worry... the U.S. will be "outta there" pretty soon, as President Karzai is getting tired of us, is seeking better relations with Pakistan (they're the ones who fund the Taliban and orginally sent them over to Afghanistan), and Karzai is seeking a working relationship with the Taliban.

The Taliban will be getting new facilities for the "Worldwide Jihad Training Camp" soon... I suspect...

51 posted on 06/13/2010 8:23:30 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: americanophile
An internal Pentagon memo, for example, states that Afghanistan could become the “Saudi Arabia of lithium,” a key raw material in the manufacture of batteries for laptops and Blackberries.

Look for the Chinese to start funding the Taliban.
52 posted on 06/13/2010 8:24:22 PM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!!!! Be prepared for what's coming AFTER America......)
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To: americanophile

The Taliban will get rich like the Saudi’s and spread Islam everywhere...lovely.


53 posted on 06/13/2010 8:31:02 PM PDT by blam
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To: montanajoe
"Well if gold goes to $20,000 an ounce as I read here earlier today it wont take any time at all to develop the reserves... "

$10,000.

Gold Going to Parabolic Top of $10,000 by 2012 For Good Reasons

54 posted on 06/13/2010 8:33:03 PM PDT by blam
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To: xzins

It will be a game changer for sure.


55 posted on 06/13/2010 8:33:25 PM PDT by BigSkyDream
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To: alecqss

Also Bi-polar treatment.


56 posted on 06/13/2010 8:40:26 PM PDT by GSP.FAN (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: americanophile

Here comes a big bear growlin...


57 posted on 06/13/2010 8:42:29 PM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: The Antiyuppie

Also expect Putin and co to get in there.


58 posted on 06/13/2010 8:47:39 PM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: Parley Baer

Sorry, Pakistan is in the way... China and Pakistan share a common border, but not Afghanistan and China.


59 posted on 06/13/2010 8:49:26 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: lbryce
There is indeed a God and He’s an American! God Bless America! Take that where the sun don’t shine, America-haters of the world!

The same God who funded militant islam with oil now wants to fund militant islam with lithium and you're celebrating? Why?

60 posted on 06/13/2010 8:54:25 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 507 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

The stunner for libs and progressives is to tell them that everything they have, everything they eat has either been produced on a farm or mined.

It’s fun to watch the name calling begin within 10-20 seconds. Every time.


61 posted on 06/13/2010 8:54:42 PM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier; Parley Baer

Oops, my bad, apparently there is a tiny 40 mile strip together, but it’s mainly under the control of the Pakis. At least that’s what my Chinese GM just told me...;)

China may take over control of that area if the mineral rights can be secured...


62 posted on 06/13/2010 8:54:56 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: Star Traveler

I have to disagree.

There is no way we can logically cede that territory back the USSR redux.

The Soviets didn’t implode symbolicly. They literally were starved of cash.

They had attempted to build a pipeline from Iran to USSR and our support of the Mujahadeen was part of the strategy that eventually broke them.

With the new trillions in resources, we are definitely not going anywhere. The Chinese control much of those resources and with this newfound resource for say lithium, we can now diversify suppliers.

Guess who else we are not going to enable the completion of the “String of Pearls” strategy?

Yep, China. We cannot give it for another very good reason.

We currently have Iran surrounded and can base from any country that touches the border of Iran.

We can cause them trouble for years and influence unrest until the people of Iran are free.

Pretty cool, huh?


63 posted on 06/13/2010 9:01:15 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: TruthConquers
"China was hoping to corner the rare earth minerals.

I would bet she isn’t too happy about this.

Quite the converse...

The US funded at great expense an aerial geophysical survey of the country...but China got in and signed the contracts....was posted here on FR some months ago.

64 posted on 06/13/2010 9:10:08 PM PDT by spokeshave (From The One to zero in just 16 months – the myth has ended.)
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To: Vendome

I didn’t mention Russia, but I do know that President Karzai is reported to be talking with Pakistan and with the Taliban (to incorporate the Taliban in his government) and that he’s getting tired of the U.S. and he doesn’t think the U.S. can help any longer in Afghanistan.

That’s not me that saying that, but the reports coming out of Afghanistan as to what President Karzai is doing ...


65 posted on 06/13/2010 9:12:31 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: muawiyah

“Russian mineralogists discovered a major deposit of gallium arsenide in a mountain North of Kabul. Within 6 months the Red Army was inside Afghanistan “helping the regime”.

To the best of my knowledge, gallium arsenide does not occur naturally.

The Russkies might have discovered some major source of a gallium ore, but it almost certainly wasn’t gallium arsenide.


66 posted on 06/13/2010 9:13:20 PM PDT by Stosh
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To: driftdiver

They have a short common border...high up in the mountains.


67 posted on 06/13/2010 9:15:48 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: RatsDawg

it’s already spent... 110 times over


68 posted on 06/13/2010 9:22:31 PM PDT by sten
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To: TruthConquers

Just remember that Afghanistan is closer to China than to the US and that they have a more forceful president than what we have.


69 posted on 06/13/2010 9:23:25 PM PDT by 353FMG (ISLAM -- America's road to destruction.)
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To: muawiyah
Russian mineralogists discovered a major deposit of gallium arsenide in a mountain North of Kabul. Within 6 months the Red Army was inside Afghanistan "helping the regime". They moved in on the gallium arsenide immediately, mined it out, and within weeks of completely exhausting the supply they pulled out of Afghanistan.

What is the source for this information?

70 posted on 06/13/2010 9:32:57 PM PDT by The Truth Will Make You Free
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To: The Truth Will Make You Free

A large amount of this survey work went on before the Obama administration. Things were actually quieter there then than now.


71 posted on 06/13/2010 9:36:55 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: Oldexpat
A large amount of this survey work went on before the Obama administration. Things were actually quieter there then than now.

That applies the NYT article. I'm wondering about the source for the post that the time of the Russians in Afghanistan was the same time that they mined for gallium arsenide. I'd not encountered that before and don't see it online anywhere. A google search for "gallium arsenide afghanistan russians" brings up as the #1 web page this very thread from 3 hours ago.

72 posted on 06/13/2010 9:46:29 PM PDT by The Truth Will Make You Free
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To: Star Traveler

I know you didn’t mention Russia but who is going to control that area specifically?

Pakistan can’t do it nor can they really lend support of any meaningful value.

Karzai is sick of Barry but mostly he is bluster and this whole BS co-op with Pakistan is a smoke screen.

And yes, that is my WAG.


73 posted on 06/13/2010 9:55:03 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: americanophile

Aflithiumstan.

I am sure the Taliban will get a charge out of that.


74 posted on 06/13/2010 9:55:14 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama .......yes.......is a fascist... ...He meets every diagnostic of history)
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To: Vendome
You were saying ...

I know you didn’t mention Russia but who is going to control that area specifically?

Pakistan can’t do it nor can they really lend support of any meaningful value.

Well, from my understanding and what I was reading, yes... it is going to be Pakistan. I mean, it was Pakistan that set up the Taliban in the first place. The Taliban is an instrument of Pakistan and not Russia. I think they can very well be the major power broker in that area of the world.

Also, I think there will be the involvement of China, too, as China is working closely with Pakistan and against India. And with Afghanistan having a common border with China, China working closely with Pakistan -- yes, China will be involved in the mix, too.

So, if you're talking about help in the development of these natural resources, that will be something done in cooperation with China and Pakistan.

75 posted on 06/13/2010 10:04:39 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

I understand the baloney narrative of Pakistan. It isn’t feasible.

They are barely hanging on to their “Nuclear” arsenal and keeping their ranks at bay, who are Taliban sympathizers.

They just don’t have the resources, the manpower, the will or, or, or... the money.

Russia has all that and is more like a Faustian Genie than Pakistan could ever hope to be.

No, sorry, Pakistan can only influence the border and just beyond but that’s it.

There is some China work going on but they are way behind the Russians and the Russians have something more valuable to offer.

Shared resources and money from allowing a pipeline to be built and secured. It’s kind of like a jobs program.

Pakistan has nothing.

BTW, we have been desperate to find alternative supplier countries as China has become to big for their own britches and Krapganistan can act as both a new supplier and a foil, to China.


76 posted on 06/13/2010 10:10:32 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: americanophile
It's been known for the last few thousand years that the area currently known as Afghanistan is a mineral treasure trove, but the extreme remoteness and unpolicied nature of the region make any serious mining ventures impractical. It's only profitible for locals who extract lapis and gemstones from workings that have been exploited for centuries. I find the timing of this “revelation” and the mainstream radio news parroting it, peculiar. There is an ulterior motive for this seemingly innocuous announcement.
77 posted on 06/13/2010 10:10:51 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Cicero
Heavens forbid that we should seek any recompense for our expenditure of blood and money.

We already have, with interest in the form of inflation. This is what happens when you have an economy built on credit.

78 posted on 06/13/2010 10:16:07 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: americanophile
:)

Welcome to Sierra Leone with a Jihad flavor! China will not care and will do business with the Talibs as we watch our debt skyrocket

79 posted on 06/13/2010 10:22:22 PM PDT by mainsail that
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To: muawiyah
Russian mineralogists discovered a major deposit of gallium arsenide in a mountain North of Kabul.

I think this must have been something else. Gallium arsenide is a semiconductor, but apparently it does not occur as a natural mineral.

80 posted on 06/13/2010 10:49:17 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: americanophile

It’s a double edged sword. Now the US will be accused of wanting to exploit those minerals.


81 posted on 06/13/2010 11:27:28 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: americanophile

wow


82 posted on 06/14/2010 12:37:29 AM PDT by XHogPilot (A thief might rob you, but politicians can rob your family for countless generations.)
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To: SpaceBar

And note Kyrgyzstan conveniently blew up again this weekend, giving Vladimir Vladimirovich an excuse to get back in there pronto and get us out of Manas, etc.


83 posted on 06/14/2010 1:59:39 AM PDT by Heatseeker (Elizabeth Cheney for President)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; All

Thank you all for answering my question. It was somewhat rhetorical to point out the chinese always have the option to take what they want.


84 posted on 06/14/2010 2:36:11 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Its hard to discover this with 7th century technology attitudes.

There, that help it any?

<opening scene in mountain meadow>

"Salih, Salih! It is I, Mahmud, your neighbor!"

"Yes, yes, I see you there, neighbor -- come near! How have you been?"

"I bring you great news! I was in your upper pasturage yesterday, and I discovered -- AAAAAGHHHH!!" <dies>

"Brother, what was it he said to you? What did he discover?"

"He discovered the price of trespassing in my upper meadows! Behold, my enemy, the son of a dog named Mahmud, is dead!! Allahu akhbar!!"

"Allahu akhbar! Allahu akhbar! Mahmud the Enemy, Mahmud the son of a dog, is dead!"

<exeunt stage left>

And so ends a peaceful day in seventh-century Afghanistan.

85 posted on 06/14/2010 5:24:53 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: 353FMG
Just remember that Afghanistan is closer to China than to the US and that they have a more forceful president than what we have.

China and Russia have been double-teaming the U.S. for a few years now in a big diplomatic effort to "expel" the U.S. from central Asia. This is just the latest evolution of the Sino-Soviet crowding campaign.

The objective would appear to be to impose political defeat by manufacturing a Taliban victory parade in Kabul starring Osama Bin Laden and Abu Ayman. They'll top things off with a festive stoning of 100 schoolgirls.

86 posted on 06/14/2010 5:33:28 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: wideminded
Could very well be. On the other hand gallium itself never appears free in nature but is always mixed up with other materials. Arsenic has its own stable forms. At the same time both substances are reported to be found in lead formations, zinc formations, etc.

I'm going on little more than the brief story that appeared in Science Magazine at the time.

It struck me as important since there were few major sources of gallium back then.

87 posted on 06/14/2010 5:37:08 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Vendome
we have been desperate to find alternative supplier countries

The Bush policy (43 and 41 both, and under Reagan, too, thanks to 41's wide influence in the Reagan Administration) has always been, as long as the producer country is selling into a transparent market to which we have access, we don't care who "controls" the asset -- the market will "control" the price, and the access.

88 posted on 06/14/2010 5:40:37 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
It's also the other way around. Prosperous countries can afford to mine a wide variety of materials. Sometimes a society is up against the problem of having no sources whatsoever of an important material, e.g. TIN.

They then invent ocean going craft, or maybe even IRON WEAPONS and go get what they need from other places.

89 posted on 06/14/2010 5:43:58 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: TruthConquers

......critical industrial metals like lithium.....

China also has a corner on lithium I think.


90 posted on 06/14/2010 5:49:59 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Ostracize Democrats. There can be no Democrat friends.)
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To: americanophile

Big effing deal, old news, diversionary tactics at work here folks.

Fact is every nation on earth wants an intact Afghanistan for its poppy fields, THAT is the real treasure.


91 posted on 06/14/2010 5:56:46 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: marktwain
Watch the conspiracy theorists come out of the woodworks and declare that the US knew about this all along, and it was the *real* reason for the war!

LOL, ya, I bet the threads are already running somewhere ...
92 posted on 06/14/2010 6:24:49 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: americanophile

China has already started thier “slant mining” operation, the minerals will be gone long before they afghan people get started ...


93 posted on 06/14/2010 6:27:31 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: americanophile
China's thirst for copper could hold key to Afghanistan's future
94 posted on 06/14/2010 6:50:21 AM PDT by epithermal
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To: americanophile
huge tracts of land???
95 posted on 06/14/2010 7:11:21 AM PDT by starlifter (Sapor Amo Pullus)
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To: marktwain

I knew it! Evil George Bush at it again! /sarc


96 posted on 06/14/2010 7:46:46 AM PDT by I Hate Obama ("Sorry I had a fight in the middle of your Black Panther Party." -Forest Gump)
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To: americanophile

Until the Afghan’s get off their lazy arses and start taking over the operations, we should take them.


97 posted on 06/14/2010 7:50:19 AM PDT by I Hate Obama ("Sorry I had a fight in the middle of your Black Panther Party." -Forest Gump)
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To: americanophile

In before “Pandora” reference. /sarc


98 posted on 06/14/2010 10:41:38 AM PDT by anymouse (God didn't write this sitcom we call life, he's just the critic.)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

I saw a documentary on that area of Afghanistan. Part of the border with China is a valley which indeed is very remote with a few tribal people living there. As you say the locals pretty much control the area as I’m sure government officials rarely visit the area because it is in so remote of an area.


99 posted on 06/14/2010 10:49:59 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: lentulusgracchus

Yes and not being hostage to single source supplier gives us option and leverage.


100 posted on 06/14/2010 11:21:57 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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