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Report: U.S., Israeli warships cross Suez Canal toward Red Sea
Haaretz ^

Posted on 06/19/2010 6:44:15 AM PDT by jhpigott

Egypt opposition angered at government for allowing the fleet of more than 12 ships to cross Egyptian manned waterway, Al-Quds Al-Arabi reports.

By Jack Khoury

More than twelve United States Naval warships and at least one Israeli ship crossed the Suez Canal towards the Red Sea on Friday, British Arabic Language newspaper Al-Quds Al-Arabi reported Saturday.

According to the report, thousands of Egyptian soldiers were deployed along the Suez Canal guarding the ships' passage, which included a U.S. aircraft carrier.

The Suez Canal is a strategic Egyptian waterway which connects between the Mediterranean Sea and the Red Sea.

According to eyewitnesses, the U.S. battleships were the largest to have crossed the Canal in many years, Al-Quds reported.

Egyptian opposition members have criticized the government for cooperating with the U.S. and Israeli forces and allowing the ships' passage through Egyptian territorial waters.

They said they viewed the event as Egyptian participation in an international scandal, and added that the opposition would not sit with its arms crossed while the country allowed a fleet of U.S. and Israeli military ships to cross.

(Excerpt) Read more at haaretz.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: canal; cross; egypt; egyptian; iran; israel; israeli; military; redsea; report; suez; suezcanal
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To: americanophile
" ...you should try Jerusalem some time."

I would love to visit the Holy Land - once we have adults back in charge of foreign policy and things calm down again.

51 posted on 06/19/2010 2:06:31 PM PDT by Think free or die
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To: oneolcop
Probably because the Marines were assigned to go through the middle of the country (urban areas) and and the Army was assigned to go through the desert.
52 posted on 06/19/2010 2:13:29 PM PDT by fini
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To: tanknetter
"There's also the Armored Cruiser ex-USS Olympia, which predates pre-dreadnoughts (and therefore the term "Battleship), which is rusting to pieces in Philadelphia PA - having now been pretty much abandoned by her caretakers. "

I'm sorry to hear this. We visited her numerous times over the years, but haven't been there recently. Is she owned by the Seaport Museum?

53 posted on 06/19/2010 2:27:04 PM PDT by Think free or die
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To: Think free or die
I'm sorry to hear this. We visited her numerous times over the years, but haven't been there recently. Is she owned by the Seaport Museum?

For the moment, yes. But they're going to relinquish ownership apparently later this year.
54 posted on 06/19/2010 2:50:56 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: jhpigott

Can recall the USS Missouri transiting the Suez prior to the Gulf War. Was assigned to a US Embassy along route when in the Army. The message traffic kept me busy sending and receiving flash and immediate messages.

The French government was not helpful providing “logistics support”.

There are missile batteries along the route.


55 posted on 06/19/2010 3:20:59 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: Mariner

Was involved in the resupply of a carrier transiting the Suez in the early 90’s.


56 posted on 06/19/2010 3:22:23 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: jhpigott

Oh how that just breaks my heart. /s

Okay Turkey, your move.

Egypt knows which side it’s bread is buttered on.

I am having a hard time who gave the direct orders for this. It’s almost impossible for me to think Il Douche’ Jr. signed off on it.


57 posted on 06/19/2010 3:27:55 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (06/15/2010 Obama's Shame-Wow address...)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
"....We spent about an hour on the various decks and inside the battleship. The control room with ancient round radar screens complimented by computerized missile launching equipment was stunning......"

Totally agree. There are some very high tech weapons systems aboard the Missouri; our guide stated that she is kept at a "certain state of readiness" whereby she could actually be deployed for battle very quickly. This is not a mothballed ship in the traditional sense. Her engines, systems and guns are ready to go....

58 posted on 06/19/2010 3:28:12 PM PDT by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: jhpigott

correction the battleship was the USS Wisconsin, not the USS Missouri.


59 posted on 06/19/2010 3:30:38 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Hope you got to also tour the USS Bowfin museum and sub....too bad it’s overlooked by most visitors to Pearl; literally just across the parking lot.


60 posted on 06/19/2010 3:34:23 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: tanknetter

This is very sad. I had no idea she was in such poor condition. I wonder what the new strategic direction of the museum is that it is ready to abandon the Olympia. I hope the Becuna isn’t next.


61 posted on 06/19/2010 3:51:43 PM PDT by Think free or die
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To: ErnBatavia

Yes. We had to wait for the boat taking us to the Arizona memorial so the Bowfin and related submarine memorials were part of our day.
The circles of stones, one inside the other, each with the name of a lost boat, with the names of the lost crew, were very moving.
One thing I didn’t expect was the US navy officer’s uniform. Black pants, tan shirt and Army style garrison hat...I thought the guy was a Marine.


62 posted on 06/19/2010 4:04:40 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Has to be the Harry S. Truman, as its in the Mediterranean, recently left Marseille, France.

http://web.stratfor.com/images/maps/NewNaval_Update_06_16_10_800.jpg?fn=18rss52


63 posted on 06/19/2010 4:07:44 PM PDT by ph12321 (We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Think free or die
This is very sad. I had no idea she was in such poor condition. I wonder what the new strategic direction of the museum is that it is ready to abandon the Olympia. I hope the Becuna isn’t next.

We'll have to see. A lot of the ship museums are in really bad shape right now. Patriots Point in South Carolina is in deep trouble. They gave up Ingham last year and the repairs to Laffey (she was closed off because she was sinking and needed constant high-volume pumping and a substantial amount of her hull plating replaced) apparently cost a lot more than expected. Clamagore, their sub is even worse off and there's now talk of the Navy repossessing the Yorktown and possibly sinking her as a reef.

Quonset RI was supposed to get the Saratoga for a museum, but could never raise the funds. She's now been pulled off the donation list and is about to be towed from Newport RI to Philly to prep for sinking or scrapping (Forrestal is due to arrive there today for the same purpose, I believe).

Just about the only big ship museums that are doing well are Intrepid up in NYC, Wisconsin in Norfolk (but the USN helps maintain her) and Missouri in Pearl Harbor. The rest are hanging in there, to varying degrees.
64 posted on 06/19/2010 4:19:34 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Victor
Totally agree. There are some very high tech weapons systems aboard the Missouri; our guide stated that she is kept at a "certain state of readiness" whereby she could actually be deployed for battle very quickly. This is not a mothballed ship in the traditional sense. Her engines, systems and guns are ready to go....

I've heard that the guides on the Missouri give that talk as part of the tour as well. She's kept in very good condition, but her systems are decidedly mid/late 1980s, and she's been struck off the NVR for a good number of years. Her name has already been given to a Virginia-class SSN (SSN-780). Even if the USN wanted to bring her back into commission it would probably take a year to 18 months to get her back at sea under her own power, then a year after that (if not more) to train a crew to a decent level of proficiency on the outdated systems.
65 posted on 06/19/2010 4:24:15 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Alter Kaker

There are no locks of the Suez. Unlike the Panama Canal, it’s a sea-level canal.


Didn’t know that - thanks.


66 posted on 06/19/2010 4:24:19 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: tanknetter

I had no idea . . . we visited the Yorktown over 20 years ago. She was an impressive sight. I can imagine maintenance is expensive, and if it’s been neglected, this is a bad time to find funding to play catch up.


67 posted on 06/19/2010 4:24:57 PM PDT by Think free or die
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To: Think free or die
this is a bad time to find funding to play catch up.

That's the big problem with ship-based museums - rather than being engaged in continual upkeep (at least to the level truly needed) it tends to be roller-coasterish.

The Texas down in San Jacinto/Houston is a good example. She underwent major hull work (including a drydocking) in the late 1980s or early 90s. But there wasn't an ability to do follow-on work and she's now at a point where her condition is considered worse than what it was back then (and she almost sunk while being towed to drydock).

In the Navy, you see rust on a ship and you grab a couple of the junior deck apes, give them scrapers, some 5-gallon buckets of paint and some brushes, and you have them go take care of the problem. Museum ships don't have that kind of staff (even with volunteer support) so the ships deteriorate until there can be a capital campaign to raise the money for more comprehensive work. Which is what Intrepid (the best of the Essexes) just went through.
68 posted on 06/19/2010 4:40:09 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: americanophile
...you should try Jerusalem some time.

Talk about Goose bumps!
69 posted on 06/19/2010 4:52:52 PM PDT by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: tanknetter
Even if the USN wanted to bring her back into commission it would probably take a year to 18 months to get her back at sea under her own power, then a year after that (if not more) to train a crew to a decent level of proficiency on the outdated systems.

Does this not speak for the creation of a class of nuclear powered gunships, armed with heavy guns and advanced missile capability?

Such a vessel would have meaningful value in the kind of conflicts we are now finding ourselves involved in. A "portable" artillery base...

70 posted on 06/19/2010 4:57:49 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: okie01
The era of big BBs is over.
Submarines can do everything a battleship can do except pummeling with 16 inch guns with fewer people and more security. Cruise missiles have trumped every surface ship and the Navy knows it.
71 posted on 06/19/2010 7:10:33 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: tanknetter

I can see how the neglect would set in. It’s really a shame, because these ships are very educational for all ages, and a piece of our history which would be a shame to lose.


72 posted on 06/19/2010 7:52:27 PM PDT by Think free or die
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To: ph12321

Cool map.

I was reluctant to say who it was ... OpSec ...

My boy apparantly just left the Mediterranean via the Suez.

:)


73 posted on 06/19/2010 8:29:29 PM PDT by RainMan
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To: okie01
Does this not speak for the creation of a class of nuclear powered gunships, armed with heavy guns and advanced missile capability?

Possibly. Nuke plants are going to be WAY too expensive, and automating naval rifles above 8" is going to be pretty problematic (the Des Moines got automatic 8" right in WWII, the MCLWG of the 70's was a fiasco) which would mean adding a heck of a lot of crew to a ship that already has to be big and heavy enough to mount them.

The current solution to the "problem" isn't naval gunfire support, but strategic bombers (and particularly B-1Bs) outfitted with JDAMS that are constantly on-orbit over the battlefield. Given that there are limitations to the range of ship-mounted guns (even hypothesized ones employing rail-gun technology), the long-duration bomber loaded with cheap but accurate and effective precision bombs is probably more cost-effective overall.
74 posted on 06/19/2010 9:54:29 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter
...the long-duration bomber loaded with cheap but accurate and effective precision bombs is probably more cost-effective overall.

Makes perfect sense. Thanks.

75 posted on 06/19/2010 10:04:03 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Think free or die

You never know what the future holds - just go, you won’t regret it.


76 posted on 06/19/2010 10:41:30 PM PDT by americanophile (November can't come fast enough....)
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To: jhpigott
US, Israel Warships in Suez May Be Prelude to Faceoff with Iran

Egypt allowed at least one Israeli and 11 American warships to pass through the Suez Canal as an Iranian flotilla approaches Gaza. Egypt closed the canal to protect the ships with thousands of soldiers, according to the British-based Arabic language newspaper Al Quds al-Arabi.

One day prior to the report on Saturday, Voice of Israel government radio reported that the Egyptian government denied an Israeli request not to allow the Iranian flotilla to use the Suez Canal to reach Gaza, in violation of the Israeli sea embargo on the Hamas-controlled area.

International agreements require Egypt to keep the Suez open even for warships, but the armada, led by the USS Truman with 5,000 sailors and marines, was the largest in years. Egypt closed the canal to fishing and other boats as the armada moved through the strategic passageway that connects the Red and Mediterranean Seas.

Despite Egypt’s reported refusal to block the canal to Iranian boats, the clearance for the American-Israeli fleet may be a warning to Iran it may face military opposition if the Iranian Red Crescent ship continues on course to Gaza.

The warships may exercise the right to inspect the Iranian boat for the illegal transport or weapons. Newsweek reported that Egyptian authorities could stop the ship for weeks, using technicalities such as requiring that any official documents be translated from Farsi into Arabic.

The magazine’s website also reported that the Iranian navy is the weakest part of its armed forces. Tehran has already backed down from announced intentions to escort the Iranian ships with "volunteer marines” from the Iranian Revolutionary Guards.

excerpt http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/138164

77 posted on 06/20/2010 3:42:37 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: GVnana

So a flotilla of ships leaving the Gulf of Aden and entering the Red Sea are ‘approaching’ Gaza? I guess.

Maybe ships leaving Norfolk are ‘approaching’ N. Korea?

What’s the point of ships passing into the Red Sea from the Med, if the flotilla ‘approachin’ Gaza actually IS approaching Gaza?

Maybe Iran expressed its intention that the destination of the flotilla IS Gaza, ergo passage through Suez will be necessary (which Egypt stated it would not prohibit). To head this event off, a fleet of U.S. / Israeli vessels are headed into the Red Sea for a showdown.


78 posted on 06/20/2010 3:52:33 PM PDT by raygun
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79 posted on 06/20/2010 5:57:29 PM PDT by SJackson (most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it, M Sanger)
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To: mc5cents

Wow!....and.. Wow!...... That’s the best news reel video I’ve ever seen of the signing of the Japanes Surrender. I did not realize so many other countries were also represented and signed these documents. Awesome to see and hear this!.....Clarity is excellant!... Thank you for posting it.


80 posted on 06/20/2010 6:24:22 PM PDT by caww
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To: raygun

Better to board them search them and in the middle of the Indian Ocean than allow them into the Mediterranean. At least, that’s my guess.


81 posted on 06/20/2010 6:25:32 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: raygun

You don’t know about the Iranian Guard flotilla to Gaza?


82 posted on 06/20/2010 6:29:49 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: jhpigott

Sounds like Netanyahu has put the smack down on Hussein Obama. Either you get in the fight or get out of the way. Israel will act and act decisively should the USA balk or fail to act.


83 posted on 06/20/2010 6:38:20 PM PDT by BlackjackPershing (The patriot's blood is the seed of Freedom's tree - Thomas Campbell (Scottish poet))
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To: tanknetter

I sincerely hope they can find the money to move the Texas to a dry berth; she is the only World War I-era dreadnought still in existence and worthy of preservation. USS Texas is literally the last link to the “dawn” of the battleship era.


84 posted on 06/20/2010 6:55:57 PM PDT by ExNewsExSpook
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To: Robe
Would someone PLEASE inform the press that neither one of these vessals are a "BATTLESHIP"??????

Things may have changed since the article was originally published, but Haaretz appears to have used a stock photo and identified it with the phrase "A U.S. warship."

A warship can cover a wide variety of ships. Whatever kinds of ships crossed through the canal, you can bet that they caused Hamas to collectively soil their robes.


85 posted on 06/20/2010 7:00:29 PM PDT by DallasMike
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To: GVnana
Yes, I'm aware of the Iranian flotilla. I'm just questioning the reporting. My issue is with the 'approching' aspect of the flotilla. Would you agree that a fleet of ships leaving Norfolk are 'approaching' N. Korea?

Maybe it'd sound more believable if they were rounding the Cape Horn? Not.

Same here with this flotilla. IF the U.S. / Israeli flotilla moving through the Suez has anything to do with the Iranian flotilla, then there's no way the Iranian flotilla can be doing anything but being headed towards, or having the mission of supply to, Gaza.

The scenario just plain didn't make any sense whatsoever, in that I read 'approaching' and I thought these guys are 10 miles off shore. Well, that'd put 'em in the Mediteranean somewhere, right? So what point would there be for the U.S. / Israeli flotilla moving from the Med. through the Suez into the Red Sea? Its just plain bad tactics to interdict forces by moving away from them.

Maybe I'm just splitin' metaphors, or mixing infinitives or sumpin', but destination of, headed towards, Gaza (present location in Gulf of Arden - if that's where they are) makes sense. But 'approaching' Gaza when they're crossing through the Straights of Hormuz (if that's what they're doing), is akin to me 'approaching' the summit of Mt. Everest when I walk to my car.

Maybe English isn't the writer's first language, so such nuance escaped them. Or perhaps its just a typical lib reporter that can typically be outdone by any 5th grader writing for their school newspaper.

86 posted on 06/20/2010 7:45:53 PM PDT by raygun
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To: BlackjackPershing
I don't know 'bout 'smack-down', given that we're backin' the Israeli's up 12:1. But its lookin' like its shapin' up to be a showdown in the Red Sea, Gulf of Arden, or even the Indian Ocean (if they've not made it out of the Persian Gulf yet).

No 'smack-down' here; our interests are aligned here (most likely on several levels). Israel has an interest to enforce the blockade of Gaza, the U.S. wants to show muscle against Iran (and that suits Israel too - given Achmedinnerjackets propensity to spew diatribes of wiping Israel off the face of the Earth).

Who knows, perhaps the allied flotilla has nothing to do with anything, and they're merely on a humanitarian supply mission to forces combatting the Somalian jolly rogers. Or they're on an escort mission for the Israeli's delivering a pizza to somebody in Oman and the Iranian flotilla merely gets in their way. Hey it could happen, didn't the Boy King order pizza from out of state and flown in on AF1?

87 posted on 06/20/2010 8:04:24 PM PDT by raygun
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To: fenderfeeder

It isn’t that unusual at all, you’re right. But since the original high “woo-woo” report came from Haaretz news it is useful to the Iraelis to keep the Iranians on edge.


88 posted on 06/20/2010 8:05:15 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: jhpigott

Loose lips still sink ships. Shhhhhh.............


89 posted on 06/20/2010 8:47:47 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: BlackjackPershing
Sounds like Netanyahu has put the smack down on Hussein Obama. Either you get in the fight or get out of the way. Israel will act and act decisively should the USA balk or fail to act.

Why can't Netanyahu indict and extradite Obama for aiding and abetting the enemy?

90 posted on 06/20/2010 8:49:25 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: rickmichaels

More likely the Saudis have been asking him to hit Iran since Iran is at war with them.


91 posted on 06/20/2010 9:33:24 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Doofer
I wonder which battleships have been recommissioned?

The Lib Media don't have a clue...

I heard the battleships were armed with AK-47s!

93 posted on 06/20/2010 10:24:53 PM PDT by Zeppelin (Keep on FReepin' on...)
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To: John S Mosby

hedging my bets until Debka weighs in..


94 posted on 06/21/2010 1:43:38 AM PDT by rahbert (Our enemy has yet to reveal himself...)
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To: Think free or die

Another place that stands out is Gettysburg. Again, with my parents, we visited the museum (the one that rotates around you). First of all, the canons firing and the gun shots, yelling and noise are played at the volume you would have heard during the battle. Then you hear the screams and imagine the death and dying. Then you leave and walk the battleground and just about water it with your tears. Our lives have been so blessed and others have given so much. My heart and my soul are laid bare by those visits taken on lazy, hazy days of summer with the two people I adored most in life. Good parents, good friends, good mentors and no truer examples of what parents should be. I think I’d have happily gone with them to watch paint dry, but they chose things that would build my character, instead.


95 posted on 06/21/2010 7:27:28 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: oneolcop

I’m sure the soldiers appreciated having the Marines on their flank and I’m sure they gave them air support as well. The Marines are bad asses! (I’m a former soldier just for the record.)


96 posted on 06/21/2010 7:42:35 AM PDT by HenpeckedCon (What pi$$es me off the most is that POS commie will get a State Funeral!)
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To: raygun

I think that Israel has told the US it is an either-or proposition: Either the US acts with convenional military means, which we have more of and more access to, or they will act more decisively, meaning exercising the nuclear option, which they have already positioned in the Persian Gulf...nuclear-tipped missles launched from Israeli submarines in the Gulf.

That would be a smack-down for an inept and inexperienced Obama and real leadership, which we don’t have in the White House, but Israel has in Netanyahu.


97 posted on 06/21/2010 11:43:09 AM PDT by BlackjackPershing (The patriot's blood is the seed of Freedom's tree - Thomas Campbell (Scottish poet))
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

You’re right - the Cyclorama at Gettysburg is quite amazing. We’ve been out there several times with our boys, either as a family or with their Scout troop. It is a humbling experience.


98 posted on 06/21/2010 12:16:31 PM PDT by Think free or die
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To: jhpigott

U.S. ships may be heading for Yemen before the $#!t totally hits the fan there. I don’t know about the Israelis but there might be some illicit Iranian weapons shipments headed the other way, and they’re out to intercept or deter them.


99 posted on 03/22/2011 1:33:27 AM PDT by rfp1234 (Le Parti du The'. Ne marchez pas sur moi!)
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To: jhpigott
...the U.S. battleships were the largest to have crossed the Canal in many years...

We got Battleships?!!

100 posted on 04/26/2011 11:42:39 AM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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