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Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography
New York Daily News ^ | June 23, 2010 | Aliyah Shahid

Posted on 06/23/2010 8:37:50 AM PDT by Zakeet

The Texas Republican Party gives a whole new meaning to the word conservative.

The GOP there has voted on a platform that would ban oral and anal sex. It also would give jail sentences to anyone who issues a marriage license to a same-sex couple (even though such licenses are already invalid in the state).

“We oppose the legalization of sodomy,” the platform says. “We demand that Congress exercise its authority granted by the U.S. Constitution to withhold jurisdiction from the federal courts from cases involving sodomy.”

[Snip]

In addition, the platform says that homosexuality “tears at the fabric of society, contributes to the breakdown of the family unit and leads to the spread of dangerous communicable diseases.”

It also states that homosexuality must not be presented as an acceptable “alternative” lifestyle in public schools and “family” should not be redefined to include homosexual couples.

(Excerpt) Read more at nydailynews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: absolutemorals; bigbrother; biggovernment; gay; homosexualagenda; nannyism; nannystate; nannystatism; statism; texas
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To: aSeattleConservative

Sodomy laws become a little bit less appealing when one realises that sodomy does not mean homosexuality. The old sodomy laws criminalised a whole range of non-reproductive sex acts, including oral sex, and even married couples didn’t get a pass.

If you really want to bring all that stuff back - with all the possibility of governmental mischief that it entails - then you go out and tell people about it, and then ask them to vote conservative. Good luck with that.


51 posted on 06/23/2010 3:01:11 PM PDT by friendly_doc
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

The proposed law wouldn’t stop tacky spectacles like this - no sodomy was committed in the street!

What it WOULD do is make events like this even more common as it would increase homosexuals’ sense of grievance.

Be careful what you wish for. There are a million things that liberal nazis would LOVE to ban - all for the good of society, you understand!


52 posted on 06/23/2010 3:06:54 PM PDT by friendly_doc
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure
Sigh, that is a (vulgar disrespectful term deleted) ugly pic but I do prefer my conservatism on the libertarian side. Glad I don’t live in Texas I guess.

A) You need to research the term "sodomy" Its root is the term "sodomite" referring to the biblical reference to Sodom and Gomorrah..

B) You need to research this nations "sodomy laws" they were on the books here in the good old USA from day one...

C) Freedom and liberty were never intended to be a trophy for perversion, degeneracy and moral insanity. Perhaps the "sodomites" should move to France, Spain, Sweden or some other sodomite friendly locale where they grant credence to morally insane perverts and degenerates.

53 posted on 06/23/2010 5:32:00 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: friendly_doc

See post #53


54 posted on 06/23/2010 5:34:31 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: friendly_doc
"The proposed law wouldn’t stop tacky spectacles like this - no sodomy was committed in the street!"

Really? LMAO Obviously you've never learned what goes on at theose events.

How do you think that type of behavior would get on the streets of Philadelphia back in the days of the founders?!? Perverts didn't act any such way back then, they'd be locked in a set of stocks and tarred and feathered..

55 posted on 06/23/2010 5:44:06 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: Hodar; avacado

They are sifting though the Texas GOP Platform for tidbits.

https://www.1888932-2946.ws/TexasGOP/E-ContentStrategy/userfiles/2010_RPT_PLATFORM.pdf


56 posted on 06/23/2010 5:49:44 PM PDT by deport
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To: Zakeet
In addition, the platform says that homosexuality “tears at the fabric of society, contributes to the breakdown of the family unit and leads to the spread of dangerous communicable diseases.”

Something like this hasn't been said in such a long time, I was absolutely stunned to read it. And I mean this in the best way possible. Society has been cowed by the liberal anarchists for so long, we no longer know how to fight back.

I hope they put everything they've got behind this statement.

57 posted on 06/23/2010 6:19:04 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: rellimpank
The libertarians will kill this country as quickly as the leftists.

Hint: Fiscal and social liberals are of the SAME SUBSTANCE.

58 posted on 06/23/2010 6:21:10 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure
Focusing on sodomy with all we’re going through seems to be the height of stupidity IMO.

If good people don't focus on "it," the homo-nazis will capitalize on it - they're in the Capital doing it right now with Øbama's blessing.

Such stupidity, Libertarianism.

59 posted on 06/23/2010 6:28:51 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: texasredhead8712; TexKat; ValerieTexas; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; blueyon; ...

Who inserted the plank about sodomy?

/ducks /runs

Anything in the platform vis a vis illegal immigration, the border barrier, etc?


60 posted on 06/23/2010 8:46:34 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: SunkenCiv

Homosexual marriage doesn’t need to be criminalized - just don’t legalize it.

Idiots inviting ridicule wrote this crap -— we need to focus, people, this is a war for America. We need to get out of the tattletale mentality and grow up. Prioritize and Keep It Simple ......


61 posted on 06/23/2010 8:56:35 PM PDT by ValerieTexas
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To: SunkenCiv

Homosexual marriage doesn’t need to be criminalized - just don’t legalize it.

Idiots inviting ridicule wrote this crap -— we need to focus, people, this is a war for America. We need to get out of the tattletale mentality and grow up. Prioritize and Keep It Simple ......


62 posted on 06/23/2010 8:56:55 PM PDT by ValerieTexas
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

The word “sodomy” has biblical roots, but - in the American legal tradition - the word has never meant homosexuality. Homosexual acts are an example of sodomy, but the word meant a lot else besides. Generally, oral and anal sex were prohibited, even among married couples, occasionally - but not always - sex acts between women were prohibited, and at various times, intercourse with contraception (”face-to-face sodomy”), masturbation, and what the law called “extended foreplay” (that did not lead to intercourse) were also prohibited by the sodomy laws.

Whether these laws were vigorously enforced was not primary. The laws were an expression of communal morality, and served to remind people that the purpose of sex was procreation.

My own view is that such laws made sense in the past but not today, when the law has taken a hands-off approach to sexual matters in most other areas (adultery, fornication, divorce/remarriage, etc). Reintroducing sodomy laws now would certainly be constitutional, but they would be entirely unenforceable, and would bring the law into disrepute.


63 posted on 06/23/2010 10:45:36 PM PDT by friendly_doc
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To: Zakeet

Shaid is cute but utterly ruined by Colombia School of Journalism

taught to deconstruct western Judeo Christian culture


64 posted on 06/23/2010 10:52:19 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am not in favor of practical endorsements in primaries, endorse the conservative please)
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To: iowamark
Muslim named Aliyah Shahid

claims to be half Christian....Iraqi I think

65 posted on 06/23/2010 10:53:43 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am not in favor of practical endorsements in primaries, endorse the conservative please)
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To: friendly_doc; little jeremiah
"The word “sodomy” has biblical roots, but - in the American legal tradition - the word has never meant homosexuality."

BS

Perverted, sodomite marriage (AKA homosexuality) has been soundly defeated in every single state where it was placed on the ballot. In all 31 out of the 31 states that held referendum on the issue, the majority told the sodomites to get bent. Even in the uber-liberal (bankrupt) peoples socialist utopia of California..

I just have to laugh when I read posts by so called "libertarians" that claim republicans must adopt the entire perverted social platform of the left or continue to lose elections, and then watch folks like yourself go into a nail biting nervous fit, and start posting a twisted wad of sycophantic queer (sodomite) friendly "revisionist" history you've been indoctrinated with.

66 posted on 06/24/2010 4:01:44 AM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

I have no idea what you are talking about or what you are responding to.

I agree with what you say about homosexual marriage, but my post was about reported Texas GOP policies to reintroduce sodomy laws (as reported in the linked article), which is a different issue entirely.

Learn to read before you post.


67 posted on 06/24/2010 4:37:24 AM PDT by friendly_doc
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To: Zakeet
Why is it that these sex perverts are always so damned unappealing? And what is it with this pony fantasies in fat old white men?


68 posted on 06/24/2010 4:40:02 AM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: friendly_doc

I’m responding to the nonsense drivel that you spewed about “sodomy laws” not having anything to do with “homosexuality”..

Why then ,pray tell, does the queer community fight to have the sodomy laws declared “unconstitutional” by activist judicial fiat? The USSC case Lawrence vs Texas was a homosexual issue.

As far as learning how to read you need to take your own advice..

Sodomy:

Cultural Dictionary
sodomy [( sod -uh-mee)]

Sexual intercourse that is not the union of the genital organs of a man and a woman. The term is most frequently applied to anal intercourse between two men or to sexual relations between people and animals. ( See pederast.)

Legal Dictionary

Main Entry: sod·omy
Pronunciation: ‘sä-d&-mE
Function: noun
Etymology: Anglo-French sodomie sexual intercourse between men, from Old French, from Late Latin Sodoma Sodom, from the supposed homosexual practices of the men of the city in Genesis 19:1-11

: the crime of oral or anal sexual contact or penetration between persons or of sexual intercourse between a person and an animal; especially : the crime of forcing another person to perform oral or anal sex — sod·om·ize /’sä-d&-”mIz/ transitive verb

Note : According to the Bible, God destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah for unacceptable sexual practices, apparently including anal intercourse between men. Sodomy takes its name from the city of Sodom.

Are you a Texan?

friendly_doc
Since Jun 1, 2010

Welcome to FR


69 posted on 06/24/2010 5:28:44 AM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

What I said was that homosexual acts are an example of sodomy, but that the term encompasses a lot more besides. In the AMERICAN legal tradition, the term sodomy meant a range of non-reproductive sex acts between two people of the same sex or between people of the opposite sex.

The content of the sodomy laws varied between different states (I think the ones in Texas were amended in the 1970s to exclude acts by married couples), but the purpose of the law was the same. It was an expression of communal morality and a reminder to people that sex should be about procreation.

Interestingly, at times the sodomy laws were used against heterosexual men who were accused - but acquitted - of rape. On the assumption that there is no smoke without fire, and following feminist pressure, the accusing woman was asked whether oral sex had taken place. If the answer was yes, and even if the act was consensual, the man was then charged with sodomy.

It’s true that homosexuals were pushing for the repeal of such laws (obviously homosexual sodomy is more common than heterosexual sodomy), but sodomy and homosexuality are different things.

Whether such laws should be brought back is a complicated matter. Whether we like it or not, sex of every conceivable description is now well and truly “out of the closet”, and that would put the police in a difficult position. Either they try to enforce the law properly, in which case they would have to question millions of people, or the law is left unenforced, in which case the law would be brought into disrepute.

On balance, I believe reintroducing sodomy laws (and anti-fornication and anti-adultery laws) is not a good idea at this time. In a different time and place, one may come to a different conclusion. As they say, politics is the art of the possible.


70 posted on 06/24/2010 7:26:06 AM PDT by friendly_doc
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To: friendly_doc

Read the definition.. sodomy = homosexuality..

This issue isn’t about “private consensual adult behaviour” its the Trojan horse method of attack by homosexual activists and advocacy groups and their perverse effort to legally legitimize the behavior of homosexuality in the courts and by legislation. Should homosexual marriage be legalized then by judicial fiat homosexuality would be legitimized across the board. This means that school children, by law would be taught that homosexual behavior is a “safe” and “normal” alternative “sexual lifestyle choice” and by law parents will have no grounds to object (regardless of the negative spiritual, moral, psychological, biological, and medical consequences) IOW unconditional approval and acceptance of perversion, kowtow to the sodomites or else.

I’ll ask again, are you a Texan?


71 posted on 06/24/2010 8:46:29 AM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure
Yeah I’m an agnostic/deist, I make no apologies for it. I really don’t care.

It's obvious that you don't care, if you did you wouldn't be the fraternal twin to atheism.

Focusing on sodomy with all we’re going through seems to be the height of stupidity IMO.

What we're "going through" is BECAUSE of our ignoring cultural matters.

Do you honestly think that a house that doesn't have it's moral foundation in order can have a sound economic foundation?

72 posted on 06/24/2010 8:56:58 AM PDT by aSeattleConservative
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

Actually, the definitions you reference, from the Legal and Cultural Dictionary, say pretty much what I said: sodomy generally means oral and anal sex between two people. A major example of sodomy is, of course homosexual sex, esp. between men, but the term is broad enough to include a lot else besides.

I agree with you about the whole issue of homosexual marriage. It is, of course, all about legitimising homosexual behaviour and, gradually, criminalising dissent. Otherwise, why push for “marriage”? There is no protection afforded by marriage that two people can’t obtain by private legal contract.

But sodomy laws have already been struck down by the US Supreme Court, and, according to this article, the GOP in Texas is proposing to bring them back. Is that something you are in agreement with? I really don’t think there’s much public support for such a move, it would create more problems than it would solve, and it shouldn’t be a priority for conservatives (at this time).


73 posted on 06/24/2010 8:57:49 AM PDT by friendly_doc
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To: friendly_doc
Sodomy laws become a little bit less appealing when one realises that sodomy does not mean homosexuality. The old sodomy laws criminalised a whole range of non-reproductive sex acts, including oral sex, and even married couples didn’t get a pass.

There have always been "lewd act in public place" ordinances, so yes, even "married couples" that were doing natural acts in public have been prosecuted under that statute. Considering that homosexuals have taken their sexual perversion "out of the bedroom" and made their sodomous acts of perversion "mainstream" in our society, it's time to put them back underneath the rock whence they came. What other group whose "identity" is based unnatural sex has FORCED it's way into valuable American institutions such as marriage and the nuclear family, the military, the church, education and youth mentor groups, with the intent of redefining them and eventually destroying them? None.

If you really want to bring all that stuff back - with all the possibility of governmental mischief that it entails - then you go out and tell people about it, and then ask them to vote conservative. Good luck with that.

Enforcement of public decency laws has never been deemed as "mischievous". We have laws on the books that prevent law enforcement from kicking in doors without probable cause. Your libertarian beliefs is what got our society into the trouble that it's in today, it's time we get back to the values of God, not moral relativist man.

74 posted on 06/24/2010 9:20:23 AM PDT by aSeattleConservative
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To: aSeattleConservative; friendly_doc; Dr. Eckleburg
Enforcement of public decency laws has never been deemed as "mischievous". We have laws on the books that prevent law enforcement from kicking in doors without probable cause. Your libertarian beliefs is what got our society into the trouble that it's in today, it's time we get back to the values of God, not moral relativist man.

If you're talking about enforcement of PUBLIC decency laws, that's one area in which I definitely take issue with the extremist Libertarians -- as long as we have "public commons" (and I'll leave the arguments for privatizing roads and parks, etc., for another day), then as a taxpayer I consider myself a "part owner" of those public commons; and as a shareholder, I think I have every right to cast my vote in favor of upholding some moral standards in those public commons. "Friendly_Doc", don't do it in the streets and scare the horses.

On the other hand, Seattle -- at the very moment you step off the public sidewalk and onto my private property, you lose any moral authority to regulate what sort of private foreplay my wife and I might see fit to enjoy in the privacy of our own home. That's not the enforcement of Biblical Virtue; it's a Trespassing, which is a Biblical Sin. If a man is not committing one of the Five Great Harms identified in Romans 13:1-10 by the Apostle Paul as grounds for Government prosecution (Murder, Adultery, Theft, Fraud, and/or "covetous" Abuse & Malfeasance), then His Home is His Castle. Period.

75 posted on 06/24/2010 9:35:02 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: Christian_Capitalist; Forest Keeper; blue-duncan; wmfights
Seems like a workable plan.

It gets somewhat trickier when two homosexuals, in the privacy of their own home, want to adopt a child, which to my way of thinking, is criminal child abuse.

I would want those same men prevented from adopting a child for exactly those activities they admit to doing in the privacy of their own home.

Pinging some Christian lawyers for their input.

76 posted on 06/24/2010 9:48:00 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: friendly_doc
Actually, the definitions you reference, from the Legal and Cultural Dictionary, say pretty much what I said: sodomy generally means oral and anal sex between two people.

The term has historical origin in the biblical story of Sodom and Gomorrah.. Homosexual males were sodomizing the male citizens and God destroyed the place as example..

"A major example of sodomy is, of course homosexual sex, esp. between men, but the term is broad enough to include a lot else besides".

Its called "perversion"... Are you from Texas?

77 posted on 06/24/2010 10:07:28 AM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: aSeattleConservative

Tuche!


78 posted on 06/24/2010 10:10:03 AM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: avacado

here’s the link to the platform itself: https://www.1888932-2946.ws/TexasGOP/E-ContentStrategy/userfiles/2010_RPT_PLATFORM.pdf


79 posted on 06/24/2010 10:25:17 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Without the Constitution, there is no America!)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

If the thread stays up I’ll ping it just for the discussion purposes. So far the discussion is amazing. I will weigh in a little later. With some founders’ quotes about morality.

Many of the comments on this thread illustrate perfectly why our country is going into the abyss. It ain’t all about taxes and money.


80 posted on 06/24/2010 11:49:41 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: aSeattleConservative
What we're "going through" is BECAUSE of our ignoring cultural matters.
Really? I thought it was because we have a bunch of people who require governmental assistance just to take a leak.
Do you honestly think that a house that doesn't have it's moral foundation in order can have a sound economic foundation?
No, I just don't think it requires the government to do such.
81 posted on 06/24/2010 12:34:02 PM PDT by Weird Tolkienish Figure
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To: DirtyHarryY2K
C) Freedom and liberty were never intended to be a trophy for perversion, degeneracy and moral insanity. Perhaps the "sodomites" should move to France, Spain, Sweden or some other sodomite friendly locale where they grant credence to morally insane perverts and degenerates.
Close your eyes and you can almost picture a Mudslum saying this.
82 posted on 06/24/2010 12:35:17 PM PDT by Weird Tolkienish Figure
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure
"Close your eyes and you can almost picture a Mudslum saying this."

I don't have to use any imagination at all to see you as a leftist alinsky disciple equating conservatives with muslims..

83 posted on 06/24/2010 12:50:22 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K
I don't have to use any imagination at all to see you as a leftist alinsky disciple equating conservatives with muslims..
Haha never been mistaken for a leftist in my life.
84 posted on 06/24/2010 12:55:37 PM PDT by Weird Tolkienish Figure
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure

Not a mistake... If it quacks like a duck etc.. You’re quacking like a leftist turd er.. duck.


85 posted on 06/24/2010 1:05:16 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K
Not a mistake... If it quacks like a duck etc.. You’re quacking like a leftist turd er.. duck.
If you say so. To me self-righteousness is one of the most irritating aspects of a liberal, personally.
86 posted on 06/24/2010 1:08:34 PM PDT by Weird Tolkienish Figure
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To: DirtyHarryY2K; 185JHP; 230FMJ; AFA-Michigan; Abathar; Agitate; Albion Wilde; Aleighanne; ...
Moral Absolutes Ping!

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Pinging both lists to a proposed GOP platform, not accepted, not engraved in stone. The discussion generated from this is very interesting. On one hand, there are the liberaltarians who think that if only government does border control and I guess weights and measures and lets all other laws drop into oblivion, we will live in a wonderful world where everyone can be privately engaged in wahtever they want and be left alone. And no one will bother anyone and everyone can watch porn, practice sodomy, do drugs, and live happily ever after. Or at least have the peace of mind that comes with knowing you CAN do those things if you want. Or something.

The reality is that a population which does not value moral behavior is a population which soon sinks into anarchy and chaos.

And what happens when there is anarchy and chaos? Why, the boot heel of Jack Booted Thuggery, that's what! As inevitable as night follows day.

The juvenile fantasy that an immoral population can live in peace and harmony is just that - a comic book adolescent day dream.

87 posted on 06/24/2010 1:11:00 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: DirtyHarryY2K; 185JHP; 230FMJ; AFA-Michigan; Abathar; Agitate; Albion Wilde; Aleighanne; ...
Moral Absolutes Ping!

Freepmail wagglebee to subscribe or unsubscribe from the moral absolutes ping list.

FreeRepublic moral absolutes keyword search
[ Add keyword moral absolutes to flag FR articles to this ping list ]

Pinging both lists to a proposed GOP platform, not accepted, not engraved in stone. The discussion generated from this is very interesting. On one hand, there are the liberaltarians who think that if only government does border control and I guess weights and measures and lets all other laws drop into oblivion, we will live in a wonderful world where everyone can be privately engaged in wahtever they want and be left alone. And no one will bother anyone and everyone can watch porn, practice sodomy, do drugs, and live happily ever after. Or at least have the peace of mind that comes with knowing you CAN do those things if you want. Or something.

The reality is that a population which does not value moral behavior is a population which soon sinks into anarchy and chaos.

And what happens when there is anarchy and chaos? Why, the boot heel of Jack Booted Thuggery, that's what! As inevitable as night follows day.

The juvenile fantasy that an immoral population can live in peace and harmony is just that - a comic book adolescent day dream.

88 posted on 06/24/2010 1:11:40 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure

There’s a vast difference between being self-righteous and aspiring for actual righteousness.

Apparently you do not understand this.


89 posted on 06/24/2010 1:14:23 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: avacado

From the site:

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90 posted on 06/24/2010 1:16:19 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: little jeremiah
There’s a vast difference between being self-righteous and aspiring for actual righteousness. Apparently you do not understand this.
So you seriously want to outlaw strip clubs? To me that is ignorant Mudslum territory.
91 posted on 06/24/2010 1:17:10 PM PDT by Weird Tolkienish Figure
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To: Zakeet

This article may not be legit.


92 posted on 06/24/2010 1:18:07 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: mono
I dont think me and the wife should vacation in the lone star state.

That notion works for me and most Texans...

93 posted on 06/24/2010 1:28:37 PM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..)
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure

The only reason why strip clubs and porn are legal is because of Larry Flynt (not exactly a prince among men) teaming up with the ACLU - an evil organization if there ever was one.

Local community standards be damned.

When strip clubs and porn are illegal, they stay in the back alleys and dark shadows where they belong. Same thing with sodomy.

The stupid argument that gov will be in peoples’ bedrooms is a homo-agenda and libertaltarian talking point lie.

It keeps filth in private where it belongs and out of the public square, where it does not belong. And out of the public rest areas, bathrooms, beaches, parks and Main Street.


94 posted on 06/24/2010 1:44:53 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

So you do want to outlaw them?


95 posted on 06/24/2010 1:47:42 PM PDT by Weird Tolkienish Figure
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure

How about local community standards?

In my very small town a porn shop opened. The town didn’t want it, there was a petition signed, town meetings with something like 90% opposed. It’s right on the main street and kids walk past on their way to and from school.

But there is a state law saying that no one can stop a porn store from operating. That’s it. Of course, I live in lovely leftist OR where live sex shows are legal.

Why do you want strip clubs and porn legal? I do not want them legal, and I think if put to the people, many communities would not want them legal either. They weren’t legal until a couple of generations ago. Only very recently was the “right” to porn and strip clubs “found” in the Constitution. Along with the “right” to kill unborn babies.


96 posted on 06/24/2010 2:00:32 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
The reality is that a population which does not value moral behavior is a population which soon sinks into anarchy and chaos.

And what happens when there is anarchy and chaos? Why, the boot heel of Jack Booted Thuggery, that's what! As inevitable as night follows day.

The juvenile fantasy that an immoral population can live in peace and harmony is just that - a comic book adolescent day dream.

Good summary of Libertarianism's pipe dreams.

97 posted on 06/24/2010 2:13:05 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Zakeet

Hopefully for Texas sodomites and friends will boycott them. Wouldn’t it be wonderful! Need to move to Texas, looks like. Maybe Texas will yet become it’s own nation!


98 posted on 06/24/2010 2:16:49 PM PDT by Bellflower (If you are left DO NOT take the mark of the beast and be damned forever.)
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To: little jeremiah
How about local community standards?
What about 'em? I happen to like boobies and am suspicious of any "man" who doesn't.
In my very small town a porn shop opened. The town didn’t want it, there was a petition signed, town meetings with something like 90% opposed. It’s right on the main street and kids walk past on their way to and from school.
How about zoning?
But there is a state law saying that no one can stop a porn store from operating. That’s it. Of course, I live in lovely leftist OR where live sex shows are legal.
Ok, but how about someone who happens to like such establishments? Why do your morals supersede mine?
Why do you want strip clubs and porn legal? I do not want them legal, and I think if put to the people, many communities would not want them legal either. They weren’t legal until a couple of generations ago. Only very recently was the “right” to porn and strip clubs “found” in the Constitution. Along with the “right” to kill unborn babies.
Because I like strip clubs and porn? Heh, i'd be a hypocrite in wanting something I like illegal, as many bible belters are. You should get together with your lib buddies and outlaw toilet paper, meat, internal combustion engines, and other "harmful" things. You'd make a great team. Outlaw all fun.
99 posted on 06/24/2010 2:19:18 PM PDT by Weird Tolkienish Figure
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; friendly_doc; aSeattleConservative
Seems like a workable plan. It gets somewhat trickier when two homosexuals, in the privacy of their own home, want to adopt a child, which to my way of thinking, is criminal child abuse.

It is to my way of thinking also. And I'm willing to be called a "homophobe" by my libertarian compatriots for that position. (shrugs) Oh, well.

Ideally, I'd prefer to see adoption law follow the Biblical model -- which is to try to place the orphan within the extended family, to the maximum extent possible. Also the tradition of the Godfather would be a great tradition to resurrect (I'm a godfather myself) -- there are some excellent Church, Family, and other such Non-Governmental solutions to some of these problems.

Admittedly, there might be a few "gay uncles" in some families who might come up on the docket, but at least that way you avoid the problem of homosexuals specifically hunting for children to adopt.

There would be details to be worked out; but I think when we start with the Biblical model, we're at least working from good general principles.

100 posted on 06/24/2010 2:22:57 PM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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