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Microsoft's Windows 8 Goals Revealed (Leaked)
The Register ^ | 29 June 2010 | Gavin Clarke

Posted on 06/28/2010 7:13:38 PM PDT by dayglored

Microsoft's successor to Windows 7 is taking shape - and that shape looks suspiciously like an iPad supplementing a diet of media with online services.

A set of Microsoft slides, apparently leaked online here and expanded here, have mapped out the company's design and feature goals for Windows 8.

Among those goals: Windows 8 works on a slate form factor in addition to the regular laptop and "all-in-one" PC,...

Among the other goals for Windows 8 are a "reset button" for use if - or more likely when - your PC begins to mysteriously slow down and performance begins to drag like a dog. Windows 8 will let you reset and retain your data...

In trying to differentiate Windows 8 from Apple, Microsoft said it plans to stress features for partners such as Windows 8's customization and the different form factors.

There are some interesting aspects to Windows 8, if the slides are genuine. Facial recognition being the biggest. This would suggest some overlap with software used in Project Natal - just don't let your cat or anything else with a face near the screen when you're trying to log on...

(Excerpt) Read more at theregister.co.uk ...


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Interesting UN-OFFICIAL information about the next release of Windows from Microsoft. Sounds pretty much like they've decided that portable devices are going to be where Windows runs.

I dunno... seems to me the business office is still going to be their main market for quite a while.

And let's see, Vista was Win-NT6.0. Windows 7 was supposed to be NT7.0, but the name got co-opted for the re-work of Vista that became Windows 7 (it's NT6.1). So, will Windows 8 be NT7? Or will they skip over 7 and go back in sync with NT8?

Read the whole Register article -- there's much more about the presumed feature set.

1 posted on 06/28/2010 7:13:41 PM PDT by dayglored
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To: ShadowAce; Swordmaker
Tech pings, please. The Apple ping is because the article claims similarity to some Apple product designs... but this is really a Windows thread.

And to the rest -- No trolls, of any flavor, please. We've had quite enough of that stuff the past week. How about a nice sane discussion of technical merits, product positioning, and marketing strategy?

Thanks.

2 posted on 06/28/2010 7:16:00 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

as usual, it will be vulnerable to cyber attacks.


3 posted on 06/28/2010 7:18:11 PM PDT by ken21 (who runs the gop?)
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To: dayglored

Someones going to jail.


4 posted on 06/28/2010 7:18:26 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ken21

well that didnt take long


5 posted on 06/28/2010 7:18:56 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ken21
> as usual, it will be vulnerable to cyber attacks.

I dunno. I've found Win7 to be quite stable and secure. Sure, I run anti-virus and all that, but I think Microsoft's finally got their minds wrapped around the issue of security.

I expect Windows8 to be quite secure.

6 posted on 06/28/2010 7:20:10 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier; for-q-clinton

ping


7 posted on 06/28/2010 7:20:16 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
> well that didnt take long

Ignore his barb. :)

8 posted on 06/28/2010 7:20:51 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
And to the rest -- No trolls, of any flavor, please.

2:11.

Not bad.

9 posted on 06/28/2010 7:21:17 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: dayglored

What barb? that never happens on windows threads, well almost never happens, ok ok ok it usually happens within the first 5 posts.


10 posted on 06/28/2010 7:21:53 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
> Someones going to jail.

For the leak? Maybe, maybe not. Microsoft probably wants the world to know they're thinking about the next gen system. It could be a plant, too. Just sayin'...

11 posted on 06/28/2010 7:22:01 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

“Microsoft probably wants the world to know they’re thinking about the next gen system”

Possible but it seems a bit early in the development cycle for that.


12 posted on 06/28/2010 7:24:10 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
> What barb? that never happens on windows threads, well almost never happens, ok ok ok it usually happens within the first 5 posts.

Heh, I had a bet with myself that the first swipe would be a "Why not just get an iPad instead of a knock-off?" comment. Guess I lost that one. I really wasn't thinking about the vulnerability aspect, because Microsoft has come a long way on that issue and is really doing well now.

If Win8 is as far ahead of Win7 as Win7 was ahead of XP, they'll do well.

13 posted on 06/28/2010 7:26:53 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

I’d settle for the damn things being able to install 30 programs, run 5 simultaneously, and not crash all the time. That should have been accomplished 10 or 15 years ago. All the fancy bells and whistles are totally useless when compared to reliability.

Any how about the simple feat of being able to copy a directory listing to the clipboard?


14 posted on 06/28/2010 7:30:37 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: driftdiver
> Possible but it seems a bit early in the development cycle for that.

I give the Boys In Redmond credit for trying to think ahead. They want to get back to a release cycle of a new major version every 2-3 years at most. This past cycle damn near killed them.

And they need to get something out there that stomps XP into the ground for smaller and handheld systems, or else they'll still be competing with their old operating system for the next 4 years.

I'm betting this is real, and is only the tip of the iceberg.

15 posted on 06/28/2010 7:30:49 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

“”Why not just get an iPad instead of a knock-off?” “

I don’t expect a solid notepad from Microsoft but instead from other companies using either windows or some version of linux. I expect they’ll have a better price point as well.

Arbitrary code execution is common problem to many different OS’s. Security is a multi-faceted problem and any single defense isn’t adequate.


16 posted on 06/28/2010 7:31:09 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: dayglored

All of the leaked slides are discussed at the link below per your linked source. Very detailed discussions...

http://msftkitchen.com/2010/06/windows-8-plans-leaked-numerous-details-revealed.html


17 posted on 06/28/2010 7:31:35 PM PDT by luckybogey
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To: dayglored
How about a nice sane discussion of technical merits ... facial recognition being the biggest [new aspect].

I know you want us to be serious, but somehow my feeble mind got a picture of Helen Thomas trying to logon using facial recognition ... and then I got an image of a computer puking its chips up until it eventually brought up the blue screen of death.

It will take some powerful good programming to accommodate that old hag.

18 posted on 06/28/2010 7:31:41 PM PDT by Zakeet (The Big Wee Wee -- rapidly moving America from WTF to SNAFU to FUBAR)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom; dayglored

Thats two.

So much for technical discussion.


19 posted on 06/28/2010 7:32:12 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
> I’d settle for the damn things being able to install 30 programs, run 5 simultaneously, and not crash all the time. That should have been accomplished 10 or 15 years ago. All the fancy bells and whistles are totally useless when compared to reliability.

Are you running Win7? I'd say it more than accomplishes those goals.

> Any how about the simple feat of being able to copy a directory listing to the clipboard?

Get Cygwin -- it's the free open-source Unix/Bash subsystem. Cygwin

20 posted on 06/28/2010 7:33:37 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: driftdiver

Three...


21 posted on 06/28/2010 7:34:47 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: dayglored
[...] just don't let your cat or anything else with a face near the screen when you're trying to log on.

Unless you have a black cat!

22 posted on 06/28/2010 7:35:20 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: driftdiver; ProtectOurFreedom
> Thats two. So much for technical discussion.

ProtectOurFreedom raised points that were valid a few releases ago. Not nearly so valid with Win7. I think I answered his criticism adequately. We can move on.

23 posted on 06/28/2010 7:37:01 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

Not on 7 yet. I understand IT has slated the move sometime before the end of the year.

Cygwin...sounds like vast overkill. I’ve got a simple batch file that does the trick, but you have to have at least one folder in a directory to invoke it.


24 posted on 06/28/2010 7:37:06 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Zakeet
> I know you want us to be serious, but somehow my feeble mind got a picture of Helen Thomas trying to logon using facial recognition ... and then I got an image of a computer puking its chips up until it eventually brought up the blue screen of death.

ROFL! Good point!

25 posted on 06/28/2010 7:38:49 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I want the up one folder button back. Using the sidebar / ribbon or whatever the hell it is just sucks. Yes I know it takes only a few seconds more, but seconds become minutes, minutes become hours and hours become days and so on and so on.

Oh and I hope they fixed the search in Windows 7 or 8. The search feature worked great in XP, but it’s barely usable in Vista. In fact it’s hard to pick which new search feature is worse, Vista’s or Freerepublic’s.


26 posted on 06/28/2010 7:40:48 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: dayglored

Microsoft is coming out with a gaming technology that not only uses facial recognition but also recognizes hand and feet motion.

Think Wii sports without the remote.


27 posted on 06/28/2010 7:40:56 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
> Not on 7 yet. I understand IT has slated the move sometime before the end of the year.

It will be a bit of a lurch from W2K or XP, but well worth it. I hated Vista after XP, but I find Win7 quite good. I hope you do too.

> Cygwin...sounds like vast overkill. I’ve got a simple batch file that does the trick, but you have to have at least one folder in a directory to invoke it.

Oh, it is indeed vast overkill. OTOH it's free and doesn't step on anything else, and you get the entire Unix/Linux command set. Assuming that's of any interest, of course.

28 posted on 06/28/2010 7:41:08 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
Consider me. I have resisted buying a cell phone for a long time. I finally bought one for a while, but I let the contract expire and haven't replaced it. My main computer, however, is a laptop, and it has been this way since 2003.

But my attitude towards my next computer has profoundly shifted lately. My next computer will be a large, pimped out desktop machine. But my laptop will become a smartphone, like a Dell Streak. Smartphones are much more portable than the laptop, portable enough that I will actually take it places. The smartphones are not as powerful as the laptops, but most won't care. It will do most jobs well enough. And on the desktop side, since I won't be taking it anywhere, I might as well make it a server, not just putting my laptop on a desk. So my computing power will be split between the big and the very small.

That I think is the coming market space in a nutshell, very big, and very small, with a growing gap in between. The race is on to develop that small mobile computer market space. Apple, Google via android, and Microsoft will be the players. And don't scoff at Microsoft being in last place, they tend to be last in every new thing, but they will end up getting things right eventually.

29 posted on 06/28/2010 7:41:56 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: driftdiver
> Microsoft is coming out with a gaming technology that not only uses facial recognition but also recognizes hand and feet motion. Think Wii sports without the remote.

I've seen a video demo of that, I think, maybe two weeks ago. Pretty cool, although to be honest, I'd feel like a complete dweeb dancing around like that in front of a computer. But then, I'm 58 and don't look nearly so buff doing silly things as I used to... :)

30 posted on 06/28/2010 7:43:32 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Vince Ferrer
> That I think is the coming market space in a nutshell, very big, and very small, with a growing gap in between. The race is on to develop that small mobile computer market space. Apple, Google via android, and Microsoft will be the players. And don't scoff at Microsoft being in last place, they tend to be last in every new thing, but they will end up getting things right eventually.

Interesting analysis. And you're right to not count Microsoft out. They've had lots of trouble in the mobile area so far, but they've still got time to learn what it's about.

31 posted on 06/28/2010 7:46:35 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: driftdiver
What do you think about the "reset" feature mentioned in the article? I've noticed (as has just about everyone else who runs Windows) that their systems slow down to about half-speed over the course of a year. It's accumulated garbage, Registry junk, disk fragmentation (unless you defrag regularly), buildup of background tasks, and so forth.

Will a "reset" do the trick? I find the idea rather interesting, since it would save me my ritual "reload Windows from scratch every so often".

32 posted on 06/28/2010 7:50:46 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: driftdiver

As a person who occasionally roams the halls of Redmond, all I can say is Win8 - you ain’t see nothin yet...;)


33 posted on 06/28/2010 7:52:38 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: dayglored

“What do you think about the “reset” feature mentioned in the article?”

I’m skeptical that it will work or is really needed. Dell basically has that feature now with their hidden partition.


34 posted on 06/28/2010 7:55:48 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
As for your first request, try Win7. I've got somewhere North of 300 programs installed, and usually have 10-15 open, including some with 500 MB FEA and 3D CAD files open.

As for the second request, here's a REALLY EASY way to do it:

Click the Windows Start button and select "Run..."
type "cmd" and
Type "dir > listing.txt" and

Done. Remember you have a full shell with all versions of Windows; there's a ton of functionality there. I still use some batch files I wrote for my older software configs, and they run great.

Or, if you want to stay in the GUI, there is Servant Salamander that will do what you want.

35 posted on 06/28/2010 8:01:14 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: driftdiver
Here's a gif of the demo. It's a cat petting game.


36 posted on 06/28/2010 8:04:38 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: dayglored
What do you think about the "reset" feature mentioned in the article?

Why can't the software take care of this on its own? It should know what is going on that is going to cause problems and it should take care of that stuff in the background. If there are options, then it can ask what I want to do, but otherwise, the software should take care of itself.

37 posted on 06/28/2010 8:11:10 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is <strike>fading</strike>gone.)
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To: dayglored

“Win7 to be quite stable and secure. Sure, I run anti-virus and all tha”

I gave up on Windows after dealing with viruses. Switched to Mac and in two years have NEVER had a single problem with viruses or slow downs or anything. It seems like 20 years ahead of Microsoft.


38 posted on 06/28/2010 8:14:20 PM PDT by garjog
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To: dayglored
Among the other goals for Windows 8 are a "reset button" for use if - or more likely when - your PC begins to mysteriously slow down and performance begins to drag like a dog. Windows 8 will let you reset and retain your data...

Finally, some real innovation from Microsoft!


39 posted on 06/28/2010 8:16:40 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: Richard Kimball

Cool. Can you poke the tiger’s eyes out and smash its little head in with a rock?


40 posted on 06/28/2010 8:18:39 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: dayglored

“I find the idea rather interesting, since it would save me my ritual “reload Windows from scratch every so often”. “

Easier solution: Switch to a Mac. You will NEVER have to do that again.


41 posted on 06/28/2010 8:21:42 PM PDT by garjog
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
hit the start button and type “cmd dir *.* /b/s > c:\dir.txt” you can change the directory command as desired, and the output file can go wherever you want to specify.
42 posted on 06/28/2010 8:23:15 PM PDT by Woodman
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

Thanks for the tip to SS. I’ve looked for utilities like this, but haven’t found any.


43 posted on 06/28/2010 8:24:18 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
> As a person who occasionally roams the halls of Redmond,...

That did appear likely from some of your comments on other threads. May I ask, in what capacity do you roam those halls?

44 posted on 06/28/2010 8:34:26 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: garjog
>> “I find the idea rather interesting, since it would save me my ritual “reload Windows from scratch every so often”. “

> Easier solution: Switch to a Mac. You will NEVER have to do that again.

Heh.

I'm typing this on a Mac. One of three on my desk. Alongside a couple of Windows machines (real and virtual) and a couple of Linux machines (real and virtual). And don't forget the BSD Unix VMs.

What you say is only partly true. Mac OS-X gets more sluggish with age of the install, though not nearly so bad as Windows. There's no silver bullet -- trust me. I've been doing this stuff for 35+ years.

45 posted on 06/28/2010 8:39:29 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

Another racket to force people to upgrade in a year or two and pay big bucks again.


46 posted on 06/28/2010 8:42:47 PM PDT by Revel
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To: dayglored
Among the other goals for Windows 8 are a "reset button" for use if - or more likely when - your PC begins to mysteriously slow down and performance begins to drag like a dog. Windows 8 will let you reset and retain your data...

Let me guess; it reboots the computer under Ubuntu.

Cheers!

47 posted on 06/28/2010 8:43:59 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
As a person who occasionally roams the halls of Redmond

WINBOT INTREP

48 posted on 06/28/2010 8:47:29 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: garjog
> I gave up on Windows after dealing with viruses. Switched to Mac and in two years have NEVER had a single problem with viruses or slow downs or anything. It seems like 20 years ahead of Microsoft.

I run anti-virus on my regular Windows boxes/VMs. I do not run any anti-virus on my Macs or Linux/Unix boxes. I've never had any serious trouble on any of them.

Actually the Mac isn't 20 years ahead of Microsoft; or rather, it is but it's also 20 years ahead of itself. OS-X is based on BSD Unix, which was around, stable and secure, for DECADES before Apple or Microsoft even figured out that security was an important issue. The credit for the superior security of Mac OS-X goes to the guys from Bell Labs and UC Berkeley and other places in the 80's, who were building serious operating systems when Apple and Microsoft were wanking in their various corners with toy single-user computers.

I'm quite fond of Unix. Linux is okay. Windows is okay. OS-X is the best overall compromise for me at the moment -- a glitzy GUI that I can tolerate, over a wonderful solid foundation.

But let's not wax too poetic over OS-X. Apple is using legally-obtained, open-source, Unix technology to get the stability and security it is known for. The techies at Apple know this as well as anybody.

49 posted on 06/28/2010 8:48:52 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

It will be user friendly, bright, colorful and as secure as a slice of Swiss cheese.


50 posted on 06/28/2010 8:49:11 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (In 2012: The Rookie and The Wookie get booted from the White House.)
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