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Microsoft's Windows 8 Goals Revealed (Leaked)
The Register ^ | 29 June 2010 | Gavin Clarke

Posted on 06/28/2010 7:13:38 PM PDT by dayglored

Microsoft's successor to Windows 7 is taking shape - and that shape looks suspiciously like an iPad supplementing a diet of media with online services.

A set of Microsoft slides, apparently leaked online here and expanded here, have mapped out the company's design and feature goals for Windows 8.

Among those goals: Windows 8 works on a slate form factor in addition to the regular laptop and "all-in-one" PC,...

Among the other goals for Windows 8 are a "reset button" for use if - or more likely when - your PC begins to mysteriously slow down and performance begins to drag like a dog. Windows 8 will let you reset and retain your data...

In trying to differentiate Windows 8 from Apple, Microsoft said it plans to stress features for partners such as Windows 8's customization and the different form factors.

There are some interesting aspects to Windows 8, if the slides are genuine. Facial recognition being the biggest. This would suggest some overlap with software used in Project Natal - just don't let your cat or anything else with a face near the screen when you're trying to log on...

(Excerpt) Read more at theregister.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous; Technical
KEYWORDS: microsoft; windows8
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To: grey_whiskers; PugetSoundSoldier
> WINBOT INTREP

Not necessarily. I have a couple buddies who spend time at the MSFT campus, and neither of them are remotely Microsoft stooges. I'll let Puget comment if he wishes, but I would not jump to conclusions.

51 posted on 06/28/2010 8:57:28 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
> It will be user friendly, bright, colorful and as secure as a slice of Swiss cheese.

Are you by any chance channeling "Microsoft Bob"? Or was that "Microsoft Bubba"???


52 posted on 06/28/2010 9:00:53 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
May I ask, in what capacity do you roam those halls?

He's a substitute janitor.

53 posted on 06/28/2010 9:02:37 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Woodman
hit the start button and type “cmd dir *.* /b/s > c:\dir.txt” you can change the directory command as desired, and the output file can go wherever you want to specify.

That cannot be run from the run prompt, "cmd" must be entered first, then from the DOS prompt type: dir c:\ /a /s > c:\dir.txt

That will create a large text file of the etire C: drive listing. in the root folder.

54 posted on 06/28/2010 9:02:37 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (In 2012: The Rookie and The Wookie get booted from the White House.)
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To: dayglored

Sure. Contract engineer; this last time as a System Architect. I’ve done it for many of the high tech companies out there (Apple, Microsoft, Dell, HP). Typically in hardware, usually related to audio, acoustics, and signal processing for audio.

Means I get to play with hardware and software, since both affect what you hear and what’s recorded.

FWIW, in the last 5 years I’ve racked up about 800 hours with Microsoft - Typically 1 month a year, on average. Last year (2009) I had zero hours, this year it was 240 hours. So it comes and goes...

Been to Redmond, Cupertino, Houston, Austin, Shanghai, Shenzhen, Dongguan, Singapore, Seoul, Paris, and a few other places for these companies.


55 posted on 06/28/2010 9:05:03 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: dayglored; PugetSoundSoldier
Yah, I know he works for a consulting company on firmware or somesuch.

I was just razzing him for what he put the last couple of Mac threads through...

(As evidence of good faith, I *PING*ed him to a thread where someone was having virus problems, because he is a LOT more informed than I am...and it appears his advice helped the guy, too.)

Cheers!

56 posted on 06/28/2010 9:05:34 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Revel
> Another racket to force people to upgrade in a year or two and pay big bucks again.

So switch to Linux. It works great for what it does, which is about 80% of what Windows does. And it's free, and nobody forces you to upgrade.

Microsoft is in business to make money from their customers, and return on the investment of their stockholders. That's what they do. The fact that they make software is fine, but their main purpose is to make money.

57 posted on 06/28/2010 9:05:46 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
...just don't let your cat or anything else with a face near the screen when you're trying to log on...

LolCatSits

My cat won't let me log on.

58 posted on 06/28/2010 9:06:50 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: grey_whiskers; dayglored
WINBOT INTREP

It's dayglored's thread, respect his request.

59 posted on 06/28/2010 9:07:48 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: dayglored

Right you are. I will take your word for it all since you seem to know a lot.

Just reporting my experiences. I love my Mac from the moment I turn it on, unlike the hours and hours I spent trying to nail down viruses on my PC.

I am adding more memory in a couple of days, however, since it is getting slow with more stuff that I have downloaded.


60 posted on 06/28/2010 9:08:38 PM PDT by garjog
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
Yes, I know. I replied to him shortly afterwards and cc'd: you on it.

Cheers!

61 posted on 06/28/2010 9:10:14 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers
> Let me guess; it reboots the computer under Ubuntu.

ROFL!

62 posted on 06/28/2010 9:11:13 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

Oh, and I’m self-employed. I direct-bill all these companies myself, I don’t go through a contract agency (I set my own company up with each - a requirement if I’m going to work for someone). A gun-for-hire, so to speak, work for the highest bidder.


63 posted on 06/28/2010 9:12:38 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: steve86
> He's a substitute janitor.

See comment #55.

64 posted on 06/28/2010 9:16:49 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
> Oh, and I’m self-employed. I direct-bill all these companies myself, I don’t go through a contract agency (I set my own company up with each - a requirement if I’m going to work for someone). A gun-for-hire, so to speak, work for the highest bidder.

Sounds pretty good. I was an independent contractor doing computer system design (hardware, software, and application programming) from about 1987 through about 1994, sandwiched in between industrial control and aerospace work in the 70's and 80's, and a lot of cutting-edge peripheral work in the 90's and 2000's. (Now I'm head of System Admin at an international software engineering firm; negligible engineering but I play with computers all day long.)

The independent contractor situation was a blast. I sort of envy you -- it's a crazy but rewarding life.

65 posted on 06/28/2010 9:22:17 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: steve86

Why, you bucking for an internship? I can put in a word, but I’m not sure you’re qualified...


66 posted on 06/28/2010 9:22:30 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: Woodman

That’s essentially the same batch file I use. I have it set up to use a right-click on a folder — lists a context-sensitive folder action which runs the file. Thanks.


67 posted on 06/28/2010 9:24:42 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: dayglored

That it is. I started in SONAR systems design (Mk 48 and Mk 50 torpedo guidance engines, I did a lot of array optimization as well as improved beamforming algorithms), moved into research SONAR system design, then got lazy and moved into audio...;) Been doing it for 13 years now, split my time between Shanghai and Seattle.

Interesting world to be in; one week you’re talking with VPs and CxOs of multi-nationals, the next you’re consulting with an international band on what their touring rig should do. And design a few dance club systems in-between! Audio transcends all people, around the world.


68 posted on 06/28/2010 9:27:05 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
> Audio transcends all people, around the world.

Very cool life, wow. Yes, audio (music in particular) is a great integrator.

I'm also a musician, semi-pro (meaning I get paid decent money for playing and recording, but it's my avocation, not my primary profession). I'm in a local rock band that plays a few times a month, and in addition to playing guitar and singing (backup), I run the 24-channel soundboard from the stage.

Being able to blend music and electronics is heaven. even if it does sometimes feel like I'm a one-armed paperhanger with a ringing cellphone in my pants pocket!

SONAR is cool stuff. I consulted for a year for a bioacoustics researcher doing whale soundings with hydrophones; that's about the closest I've come to that area. Fascinating area.

69 posted on 06/28/2010 9:37:57 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

Something I want to see from a Win slate is a move away from the computer-as-parasite model that Apple’s pushing. I love my Macs (and run four different OSes on pretty much a daily basis on my various machines—I’m no zealot.) But, I hate the closed-box model of the iPad and iPhone. A full-up filesystem-based commercial OS on popular, competitive slate would be a good thing for everyone.


70 posted on 06/28/2010 9:48:32 PM PDT by saundby
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To: dayglored

Musician, eh? If you ever get to listen to a pair of Event Opals (Studio Monitor of the Decade - Sound on Sound magazine) you get to listen to my work...;) They’ve won about every award possible, in just 18 months.


71 posted on 06/28/2010 9:53:12 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: driftdiver
Thats two.

So much for technical discussion.

In what way are those attacks on Windows' users, or even comments from trolls, driftdiver?

72 posted on 06/28/2010 9:53:54 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: saundby
> ...move away from the computer-as-parasite model... A full-up filesystem-based commercial OS on popular, competitive slate would be a good thing for everyone.

I'll agree, but I'll bet it doesn't happen. The general purpose computer is already relegated to engineering development and computer techs. The average person, home or office worker, just wants a stable application platform, and they couldn't care less, really, whether it's Windows, OS-X, Linux, or LCF (laminated chicken fat).

An open system is a great thing, but I would guess most potential slate customers don't understand what one is, and most of the rest don't much care.

Techies do, of course, and debate the pros/cons constantly. But we're the vast minority of users.

So we'll see. Like I said, I'd like to see it too. I'm just not holding my breath.

73 posted on 06/28/2010 9:54:54 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: saundby
I'm waiting for one of these. A full-blown computer, a rebirth of the older Windows tablets.
74 posted on 06/28/2010 10:01:11 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: dayglored
ProtectOurFreedom raised points that were valid a few releases ago. Not nearly so valid with Win7. I think I answered his criticism adequately. We can move on.

I agree... I like Windows7. I have it installed on my iMac. I have some complaints and concerns about the illogical placements of some aspects of Windows7, but security-wise it is solid. I'm running it without A/V. Of course, I don't allow it on the Internet much. They borrowed a lot from OSX... to the betterment of Windows.

75 posted on 06/28/2010 10:02:21 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker; driftdiver
> In what way are those attacks on Windows' users, or even comments from trolls, driftdiver?

I'll answer, Sword. The two comments in question were both negative, and both made reference to Windows problems that have been satisfactorily addressed in Windows 7. This thread is about Windows 8, which will presumably be an improvement on 7.

So they were unnecessary, in the same way that complaints about Mac OS 9.22 would be irrelevant in any discussion of OS-X.

I think they were suitably deflected, and the thread moved on.

76 posted on 06/28/2010 10:03:08 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Swordmaker; dayglored; driftdiver
Well let's not for get these: One. Two.
77 posted on 06/28/2010 10:11:29 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: Swordmaker
They borrowed a lot from OSX...

I'd be curious to know what you think they borrowed.

78 posted on 06/28/2010 10:12:50 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: Swordmaker
> I agree... I like Windows7. I have it installed on my iMac...

Heh, yep, I'm running it on my Intel MacMini (BootCamp). Runs great. I've got Avast A/V on it, and it gets a fair amount of 'net time. I've got a Win7 VMware VM on my MacBook (under Fusion) but that's primarily for running a few Win apps that don't yet have OS-X equivs.

> I have some complaints and concerns about the illogical placements of some aspects of Windows7, but security-wise it is solid.

What would Windows be without some irrational dialogs? :)

> I'm running it without A/V. Of course, I don't allow it on the Internet much.

I tried AVG, ripped it out, too abusive of CPU; Avast is pretty good. I agree that Win7 can be run pretty safely without A/V if one is careful. However, I've run Windows for two decades... and running it in the modern internet without A/V just feels so.... so.... naked...

> They borrowed a lot from OSX... to the betterment of Windows.

Yes they did. Ah well, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

My daughter, who grew up with Windows, became a confirmed Mac-head around 2007, and remained so until she had to work with Win7 for a few weeks. She found it quite usable, and has commented positively on it. I doubt she'll stop preferring the Mac, but it's good she's becoming ambidextrous again.

79 posted on 06/28/2010 10:15:19 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
I tried AVG, ripped it out, too abusive of CPU; Avast is pretty good. I agree that Win7 can be run pretty safely without A/V if one is careful. However, I've run Windows for two decades... and running it in the modern internet without A/V just feels so.... so.... naked...

Try Microsoft Security Essentials. It's free, it's incredibly lightweight in terms of memory and CPU (just checked - 2.4 MB for the process, and 0.0% CPU), and seamless to install and run.

80 posted on 06/28/2010 10:20:10 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier; Swordmaker
> I'd be curious to know what you think they borrowed.

There's a lot of OS-X look-and-feel in Win7. Most of it is subtle, but to someone like me who uses each one for many hours every day, the similarities are definitely there.

Nothing I'd consider remotely worth a lawsuit, mind you. Just the usual "Hey that's a good idea, let's adapt that to our situation" stuff.

I don't know that I could point to any particular individual things at 1:20 AM, I'm tired and am dropping off the thread for the night soon. But they're there.

If you get into specifics, boys, please argue like gentlemen. thanks :)

81 posted on 06/28/2010 10:20:47 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
> Try Microsoft Security Essentials. It's free, it's incredibly lightweight in terms of memory and CPU...

I've read mixed reviews of the Essentials. Some recommend it, but most seem to feel it is the barest minimum, intended only to sweep up the home-computer laggards who would not otherwise run any A/V, even the free third party ones.

It's surely better than nothing.

I ran OneCare for two years. It was too damn big, but it sure did a job. It was also abusive of the CPU at times.

Tell ya what, I'll give Essentials a try and let y'all know how I like it. Nothing to lose.

82 posted on 06/28/2010 10:27:38 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
Mac OS-X gets more sluggish with age of the install, though not nearly so bad as Windows. There's no silver bullet -- trust me. I've been doing this stuff for 35+ years.

Usually, there are only two things that will slow down an OSX installation, Day. The first is too many icons on the desktop. If you let your desktop get too full, it can slow down the system slightly. It's not too noticeable... but you can get a slight speed bump by removing the excess. Besides it's messy.

The second is damaged permissions. Every time I've seen a slowed down OSX Mac, a permission repair has brought the Mac back to like new speed.

Give those fixes a try when you run into a slowed Mac.

Of course, the ultimate fix is to upgrade your Mac to a newer OSX version... everytime you upgraded, the Mac ran faster than it did under the older version.

83 posted on 06/28/2010 10:31:28 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker
> the ultimate fix is to upgrade your Mac to a newer OSX version... everytime you upgraded, the Mac ran faster than it did under the older version.

Good hints, Sword, thanks! I keep my desktop very clear, but mainly because otherwise I get confused and -I- run slower! :)

Yeah, I've noticed that each release runs better than the prior. Of course, I occasionally back everything up and reload just because I like to have a clean system. I store all my data on an external RAID1, and Mac applications are so trivial to reinstall that it's a breeze to reload the system from scratch. Only thing missing are the preferences, and I can usually copy the relevant plists from the old system backup.

84 posted on 06/28/2010 10:37:03 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored; driftdiver; PugetSoundSoldier; Swordmaker; ShadowAce; grey_whiskers
Ok, time for me to hit the sack. I'll catch back up tomorrow around lunchtime...

Thanks all, for an interesting and pleasantly civil thread so far. I appreciate it.

85 posted on 06/28/2010 10:37:35 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: garjog
I am adding more memory in a couple of days, however, since it is getting slow with more stuff that I have downloaded.

Do a permissions repair... and clean up excess icons on your desktop. You'll see a speed up.

You will see some performance hit if you are running too many applications at once with too little RAM. How much RAM have you got installed now?

86 posted on 06/28/2010 10:42:42 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: dayglored; driftdiver; PugetSoundSoldier; Swordmaker; ShadowAce; grey_whiskers
G'night all. I've been on the S.E. Cupp thread where there is a video of her.

Too bad she's an atheist.

She'd make a good follow-on to Ann Coulter otherwise.

Cheers!

87 posted on 06/28/2010 10:46:25 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier; dayglored
Well let's not for get these: One. Two.

Yes, Puget, I agree, they were uncalled for. However, honestly, they were nowhere near the level of vitriolic ad hominem we see on the Mac threads, now were they? ;^)>

88 posted on 06/28/2010 10:49:37 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: dayglored
I agree that there's no silver bullet.

I use a number of operating systems at work and use Win 7 and Ubuntu 10.04 at home. I love them both, but for different things.

I do computer security for a living. So what is the most secure OS in the world? I'd say HP-UX. Of course you can't do any fun stuff with it.

Win 7, Mac OS X, and your favorite flavor of Linux are all good systems. Security is more dependent on the user than the OS. Anyone who runs as root (or Administrator in Windows) is asking for problems.

89 posted on 06/28/2010 11:26:30 PM PDT by DallasMike
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To: dayglored; PugetSoundSoldier
I tried AVG, ripped it out, too abusive of CPU; Avast is pretty good. I agree that Win7 can be run pretty safely without A/V if one is careful. However, I've run Windows for two decades... and running it in the modern internet without A/V just feels so.... so.... naked...

I'm actually running it naked as experiment—as I did when I ran my Mac naked including no firewall for three years from 1984 to 1987—to see what will happen. It's sitting running in the background under VMWare Fusion on my iMac with it's own IP address. I have a backup file of the Virtual HD install... so that if it gets invaded by malware, there's no loss, and I can replace the install in two minutes. That's been running that way for over a month now... and so far, nothing.

Re: AVG... I used to have my clients' on AVG... but after they jumped the shark on their upgrade to AVG8 and added IE Tool Bars, Spyware and Adware to their repertoire, it got just too abusive of system resources. I'm moving my clients' over to Avast as the subscriptions expire.

Re: Copying from OSX. Windows7's copy of the OSX Dock (their replacement of the task bar) leaves a lot to be desired. Hovering over the icons to find out what they are is a delay that is productivity sapping. AeroPeek is a poor substitute for Quicklook on the Mac. I'm wondering how long it will be before Microsoft drops the transparency as Apple dropped it in OSX.2... too confusing. Right now several of my client offices have moved to Windows7 and the workers are complaining about the difficulty in even finding the URL entry window in Internet Explorer... they often enter the address they want in the BING window instead... because the URL tool and drag bar are soooooo transparent, they are hard to see.

90 posted on 06/28/2010 11:30:43 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: garjog

My etch-a-sketch is 100% secure as well, therefore 100% superior to Apple. Oh, and Al Gore doesn’t own a good chunk of the company, so, thats a bonus.


91 posted on 06/29/2010 12:09:33 AM PDT by esoxmagnum
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To: garjog

“unlike the hours and hours I spent trying to nail down viruses on my PC.”

Stay away from prOn sites and you won’t have those issues.


92 posted on 06/29/2010 12:11:40 AM PDT by esoxmagnum
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To: Swordmaker; dayglored
That's been running that way for over a month now... and so far, nothing.

I thought it was a bug-infested nightmare that required AV software? At least that's been a common theme in many threads here...

Windows7's copy of the OSX Dock

Well, the Windows Taskbar has been around since 1995, well before OSX. The Win7 functionality is what you had in WinXP, with the addition of the Aero Peek; all other functionality is essentially what existed for a decade or so (Windows XP).

Additionally, my understanding is that the OSX Dock is predominantly for quick launching applications (like on the original NeXT Step OS), where the Windows Taskbar is predominantly to show you what is running. Yes, the OSX Dock has a little blue glow for any given application that is running, but only for the application, not individual documents.

On the other hand, the Win7 Taskbar serves a different purpose: quickly locate what is running. It is well-defined; the center section is running applications only, the stuff on the right is status, and the left side is your menu and any pinned applications you choose to add (none, if you like). It simplifies the grouping (left to right): what you can run, what is running, what is the status of running processes/the system.

I'd say they are radically different in operation, not even close to each other. How that's a copy, I'm not sure...

AeroPeek is a poor substitute for Quicklook on the Mac

I personally like Aero Peek, it pops up in about 1 second on my machine, and then is instant as I move from group to group. But if you don't like it, it's simply right click on the Taskbar, select Properties then uncheck "Use Aero Peek", but I like it. When I have 4 or 5 open files I can use Aero Peek to hover over the group on the Taskbar and then easily select the document I want. VERY handy for popping between PDFs or open drawings.

And that is a big difference from Quicklook; I thought Quicklook was only for files, not running applications. So you can take a quick preview of files before you open them. Note that Windows XP - back in 2003 - introduced the file preview which does the same thing as Quicklook (and which was introduced in 2007).

I use the preview a lot, it previews even my Alibre 3D CAD file drawings and JPGs (something Quicklook doesn't do), making it easy to quickly scan through dozens of files and find exactly what I want.

workers are complaining about the difficulty in even finding the URL entry window in Internet Explorer

I agree about IE8; it's why I run Firefox. Of course, even Firefox and Safari start with the focus not on the URL field but the first field in your web page, so that you have to manually shift focus to the URL field. So errors with entering addresses in the page are more a result of the operation of browsers, I think, than strictly UI.

But you can install and run any browser you like; you're not stuck with IE8 if you don't like it. Why don't you have your clients use a different browser?

93 posted on 06/29/2010 12:57:30 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: Swordmaker
Forgot one...

Hovering over the icons to find out what they are is a delay that is productivity sapping.

Right-click on the taskbar. Select properties. Change the drop-down "Taskbar buttons" to be "Combine when taskbar is full". Click Apply.

Now you have icons with big, descriptive names next to them, and unless you're running more than 7-10 tasks (depending upon resolution), each is individually displayed, not grouped (which the OSX Dock cannot do).

Now your clients don't have to lose their productivity; you can set up their machines better. I won't even bill you for that one...;)

94 posted on 06/29/2010 1:05:27 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: esoxmagnum
My etch-a-sketch is 100% secure as well, therefore 100% superior to Apple. Oh, and Al Gore doesn’t own a good chunk of the company, so, thats a bonus.

Al Gore does not own a good chunk of Apple... he has the minimal amount of stock to be a director... plus the stock he has earned in stock bonuses.

96 posted on 06/29/2010 1:28:01 AM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier; dayglored
I thought it was a bug-infested nightmare that required AV software? At least that's been a common theme in many threads here...

Someone needs to educate you about Windows7, then. ;^)>

Well, the Windows Taskbar has been around since 1995, well before OSX. The Win7 functionality is what you had in WinXP, with the addition of the Aero Peek; all other functionality is essentially what existed for a decade or so (Windows XP).

I am well familiar with the Windows Taskbar and when it appeared... don't try to educate me on what I train people about daily. However Windows has tried to add the functionality of the OSX Dock to that task bar and done a poor job of it. Your understanding of the Mac dock is a poor understanding... you don't use it. Part of the failing of the Windows Taskbar is trying to be all things... including holding every open doc. We CAN put docs there if we so choose on the OSX Dock but I can think of no reason to do so. I find, and many previous WindowsXP users find, that it stacks too many processes.

Your understanding of Quicklook is apparently limited as well, Puget... which your claim that Quicklook doesn't allow looking at JPGs tells me. Quicklook allows you to not only look at files, but to display them full size as well... for example it will play any movie (in a window or full screen), play any music or sound file, open and allow you to scan through all pages of any document or PDF file, look at any graphic file, to easily find what you are looking for, all without opening the associated application that created that file, so long as there is a Quicklook plugin for that file format (and there are for most).

For seeking out a particular graphic, it allows me to flip through all the graphics in a folder to find the specific one for which I am looking even though I don't know it's name. I can page through a PDF to find a specific line, if necessary without opening it... all from the Finder, or from an open file requestor.

I agree about IE8; it's why I run Firefox. Of course, even Firefox and Safari start with the focus not on the URL field but the first field in your web page, so that you have to manually shift focus to the URL field. So errors with entering addresses in the page are more a result of the operation of browsers, I think, than strictly UI.

That is not my call. With Windows, when I can, I do recommend Firefox. But several of my clients tell me that they have to run IE... and I have tried to get them to use FireFox. However, they insist that they want Internet Explorer because their online suppliers tell them they must. So, who am I to argue. Even when the focus is on the URL address bar, it is STILL almost invisible. That is a UI design choice made by someone at Microsoft.

To make matters worse, the Dell computers they purchased came with FIVE pre-installed toolbars, all of which have input windows that make finding the almost invisible URL tool bar that much more difficult. The first thing I did was disable four of the five... I left the BING tool bar. (there wasn't too much window space left to actually VIEW the internet after Dell got through with adding things to Internet Explorer!)

Apple made the same stupid transparency decision back in Mac OSX.1... and changed away from it to everyone's relief in OSX.2. There are glaring problems with AERO's transparency that I think will be vastly toned down as people get bored with the "Gee, Whiz, that's neat!" look to their desk tops... just as the Mac users did very quickly with OSX.1. Functionaly changes appearance when appearance gets in the way of function... and it should.

97 posted on 06/29/2010 2:04:41 AM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Yep you're correct, I meant to say to to open the “cmd” prompt first. It could be done in a batch file. Depending on where you start the “/s” for reading the sub-directories can be cumbersome, the “/b” makes it return the names only which can be useful if you are looking to print or create a list.
98 posted on 06/29/2010 2:49:26 AM PDT by Woodman
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To: dayglored; All; Admin Moderator

This thread is a good example of the problem I have with mac users on FR. dayglored asked that it be kept civil and the windows folks have been professional and kept on topic.

Numerous cheap and off topic comments from the mac crowd. The mac crowd whines that a non-macbot shouldn’t even be allowed to post on mac threads and then sullies a thread like this up with insults.

Thanks for trying dayglored.


99 posted on 06/29/2010 3:42:03 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Any how about the simple feat of being able to copy a directory listing to the clipboard?

If you do that sort of think a lot, check out Powershell and the PSCX extensions for it from SourceForge. Getting a directory list to the clipboard is as easy as:

dir c:\ -recurse | out-clipboard

To send it to the default printer, use out-printer, or use out-file if you want to save it to a file.

100 posted on 06/29/2010 4:04:07 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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