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Rand Paul Won’t Say How Old the Earth Is. (Whiny liberal hates Creationists)
True/Slant ^ | 6-28-2010 | Charles Johnson

Posted on 06/29/2010 4:21:08 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist

Rand Paul Won’t Say How Old the Earth Is
Charles Johnson
The Lizard Annex 6-28-2010

From PageOneKentucky.com, here’s a video of GOP candidate Rand Paul addressing a convention of Christian homeschoolers, and dodging a question about the age of the Earth.

The questions asked by the homeschoolers in the video: 1) are you a Christian, 2) how old is the Earth, and 3) will you let the UN take our children. Yep, really. And these are the teachers asking these questions. They’re raising a generation of kids who are ignorant anti-science fanatics, afraid that the United Nations is going to come and kidnap them. Good grief.

Did he dodge the question because he’s a creationist and he knows that he shouldn’t reveal it for political reasons, or because he’s not a creationist and he knows he shouldn’t reveal it for political reasons? Either way, this is very sleazy behavior.

My opinion: I think he probably is a creationist, just like his father Ron Paul, because his world view matches the creationist world view in every respect.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: creation; creationism; homeschooling; paulestinians; paulistinians; pitchforkpat; randpaul
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To: MrB

(I was kidding about hating your posts, of course. I’m much obliged for your contributions to the thread. My wife and I hope to Christian-School our children, but we’re willing to consider home-schooling also. We’re both of the opinion that sending a child to an Evolutionist Government School is a form of Child Abuse).


101 posted on 06/29/2010 9:18:13 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: FrankR

The Bible reveal that earth is not our home.


102 posted on 06/29/2010 9:18:52 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Christian_Capitalist

I can see that the writer is completely unbiased in his evaluation of Rand Paul’s position.

Yeah,

right...


103 posted on 06/29/2010 9:19:14 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Yeah, objective journalism at its finest.


104 posted on 06/29/2010 9:20:07 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: Christian_Capitalist

The writer ASSumes a lot......


105 posted on 06/29/2010 9:20:07 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Well, he probably is right about Rand Paul being raised as a Creationist by his Creationist dad.

But that's all to the good, I say. Christian home-schoolers and other Creationists wouldn't mind having another Ally in the Senate.

106 posted on 06/29/2010 9:21:50 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks!


107 posted on 06/29/2010 9:22:33 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: ASA Vet
Maybe Dr. Paul recognized the “are you still beating your wife?” question for what it was.

EXACTLY!!!!!

108 posted on 06/29/2010 9:22:44 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: aruanan

Best post I’ve seen on the age of the earth debate.

That’s a keeper.

Thank you.


109 posted on 06/29/2010 9:25:06 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: raybbr

Good thing that evos don’t have such restrictions on their behavior.....


110 posted on 06/29/2010 9:27:45 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: TXnMA
"Man is not the measure of God".

Indeed. Thank you so much for the ping, dear brother in Christ!

111 posted on 06/29/2010 9:31:49 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Christian_Capitalist
It will not eliminate evolution and biology from schools who wish to meet the ACTUAL demand of the Free Market.

The Free Market demands trained biologists who know the theory of evolution.

The Free Market has no use for highly trained creationists.

How many jobs do you see in the Sunday Paper for creationists?

There are lots of jobs out there for biologists.

The Free Market at work.

112 posted on 06/29/2010 9:33:36 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: Christian_Capitalist
My opinion: I think he probably is a creationist...

So are you saying he's too ashamed to admit it?

113 posted on 06/29/2010 9:35:48 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Eagle Eye

Every kind was represented on the ark. From these, all the “species” could have self-selected for the area and environment they eventually migrated to,

but the pair that was on the ark had all the genetic information necessary to “naturally select” into the “species” we see today.


114 posted on 06/29/2010 9:35:56 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: raybbr; MrB

Likewise evolutionists will never attract anyone to science by calling them *creatards* and *IDiots*, flat earthers, and a whole plethora of other derogatory terms, and insulting them as some evos ahve already tried on this thread.

See? It works both ways.


115 posted on 06/29/2010 9:37:59 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MrB
So in other words, evolution doesn't happen, unless the species just survived a global flood, in which case evolution happens at a rate thousands of times faster than any evolutionary biologist ever proposed, but also somehow only within undefined limits.

Gotcha!

So evolution is thousands of times more powerful/faster of a mechanism than science proposes; but we still shouldn't teach it in school?

116 posted on 06/29/2010 9:39:46 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream

Natural selection happens,
but natural selection is not evolution.

The main difference is that genetic information isn’t added in the process.


117 posted on 06/29/2010 9:41:46 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Christian_Capitalist
You still have not provided a source for the statistics you claim.

School boards, even in conservative strongholds, that introduce creationist lesson plans, get thrown out by voters.

How do you explain this?

118 posted on 06/29/2010 9:42:00 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream
It will not eliminate evolution and biology from schools who wish to meet the ACTUAL demand of the Free Market.

Sure it will.

The national average in Education Spending, per child, is around $10,000 per year.

Now, suppose that instead of Stealing that money from Creationist parents, and using it to fund Evolutionist schools -- we just hand every Parent their $10,000 per-child, and say, "Choose the school you want!"

Creationist Parents will send their children to Creationist Schools. Since those who support the teaching of Creationism as the sole or alternate explanation of life on Earth (80% of all Americans) vastly outnumber those who favor the teaching of Evolution-Only (20% of all Americans), the Free Market will respond by providing far more Creationist schools than Evolutionist schools. These numbers will progressively tilt even more in favor of Creationists over time, because we breed a lot more kids.

He who pays the piper, calls the tune. None of your arguments really matter, if Creationist Parents get to choose with their pocketbooks, as to what kind of schools we wish to send our kids.

We'll out-spend and out-breed you and your kind. Simple as that.

119 posted on 06/29/2010 9:42:07 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: Christian_Capitalist

How old is the earth? I can’t anwser that. I know it’s older than I am because it was here when I arrived.

Perhaps we can saw it in half and count the rings!


120 posted on 06/29/2010 9:42:50 AM PDT by meyer (Big government is the enemy of freedom.)
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To: Christian_Capitalist
We'll out-spend and out-breed you and your kind. Simple as that.

The commies have to get our kids. That's why they seek to outlaw homeschooling and parental authority. It is the current and active agenda of the left to make sure that those kids you're "breeding" end up as the ideological children of the left.

121 posted on 06/29/2010 9:44:31 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Christian_Capitalist
Me and my kind? LOL!

The actual demand of the actual free market is not just in education, it is ALSO in what someone is going to DO with that education.

The Free Market has a demand for actual highly trained biologists.

The Free Market has no similar demand for highly trained creationists.

If ‘you and your kind’ refuse to teach your kids science in this highly competitive and increasingly technological world you may well out-breed us; but quality has a way of winning out over quantity.

My “kind” will say “The results of these data do not show statistical significance between groups”.

Your “kind” will say “Do you want fries with that?”

122 posted on 06/29/2010 9:46:23 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream; Christian_Capitalist

Not always.

If they aren’t they’re sued into oblivion by some God hating parent in cahoots with the ACLU.

Would you like to see AGAIN the statistics showing grassroots support for teaching creation in public schools? I’d have to look it up but I know I have it available.


123 posted on 06/29/2010 9:46:44 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: allmendream
You still have not provided a source for the statistics you claim.

2006 nationwide CBS Poll:

Numerous further studies could be cited, all of similar percentages.

School boards, even in conservative strongholds, that introduce creationist lesson plans, get thrown out by voters. How do you explain this?

It's proven useless to fight the Supreme Court's protection of Evolutionism in the Government Schools.

Ergo, the solution is not to attempt to "capture" the Government Schools, but simply to abolish them.

He who pays the piper, calls the tune. None of your arguments really matter, if Creationist Parents get to choose with their pocketbooks, as to what kind of schools we wish to send our kids.

We'll out-spend and out-breed you and your kind. Simple as that.

124 posted on 06/29/2010 9:48:35 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: metmom
So by that construction everyone who opposes teaching creationism in school is “God hating”?

School boards that attempt to introduce creationism in school get voted out of office.

Moreover, once you decide to teach religious beliefs in public school; do you teach Mormonism in Utah, Islam in Michigan? How would that be determined?

125 posted on 06/29/2010 9:50:33 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: Christian_Capitalist

I also have stats on SAT/ACT scores for homeschoolers.


126 posted on 06/29/2010 9:50:47 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: allmendream
My “kind” will say “The results of these data do not show statistical significance between groups”. Our “kind” will say “Do you want fries with that?”

Given the fact that there's a lot more of us than there are of you, and the fact that we breed a lot more kids -- allow the Free Market to work, and in a few generations "your kind" won't say anything at all.

Because there won't be enough economic demand to support Evolution-Only Schools.

127 posted on 06/29/2010 9:51:24 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: Christian_Capitalist
That is not what you claimed.

You claimed that 80% support teaching creationism.

“Since those who support the teaching of Creationism as the sole or alternate explanation of life on Earth (80% of all Americans)”

Got a source for that?

And you seem to be blind to the fact that there is more than just education at stake here. The Free Market is not just education. It is what PRODUCTS and SERVICES you are going to provide WITH that education.

Science education provides value, there is a Free Market demand for highly trained scientists.

There is no similar Free Market demand for highly trained creationists.

That is because science produces value in terms of discovery and products.

Creationism produces nothing of value.

128 posted on 06/29/2010 9:54:48 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream; Christian_Capitalist

Actually, this parents Christian creationist homeschooled kids were all INVITED to join the honors programs in their respective big name private universities.

The public school kids they know are the ones flipping burgers.

The public school system is so abysmal that there’s no way that the couple days they spend on the ToE n Sophomore Biology is going to make any difference in the future of those illiterate dropouts.


129 posted on 06/29/2010 9:54:48 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; allmendream
I also have stats on SAT/ACT scores for homeschoolers.

I know. And the homeschoolers ALWAYS crush the Evolutionists in every area of intellectual endeavor.

But, the Evolutionists like to believe that they're the "smart ones", all competitive evidences to the contrary.

So, I don't even bother getting into a pizzing contest with these Evolutionist morons whom I know don't rank anywhere near my own 1490 SAT score (I really think I could have broken 1550 if I wasn't such an undisciplined wild child, and had actually studied for the thing -- and I'm an old enough coot to be talking about the old SATs, not the more recent dumbed-down versions). I permit them their conceits...

...and just remind them that the only reason that Evolutionism survives, is the Subsidy and Monopoly advantages that they enjoy due to Evolutionist Government Schooling.

Eliminate that, and they'll be bred out of existence soon enough.

130 posted on 06/29/2010 9:57:05 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: Christian_Capitalist
But there will be Free Market demand for trained scientists.

Therefore there will be Free Market demand for education that would produce a scientist.

The Free Market has use for science.

The Free Market has found no productive use for creationism.

You use a funny selective advantage natural selection argument for someone who doesn't subscribe to the theory of evolution through natural selection of genetic variation!

My and my “kind”, assuming we reproduce after our kind, will be highly trained professionals with advanced degrees in science, and high paying jobs, provided by the Free Market, because they know that we will produce value.

131 posted on 06/29/2010 9:59:25 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream; metmom
That is not what you claimed. You claimed that 80% support teaching creationism.

Creationism (55%), or Theistic Evolutionism (27%).

55% + 27% = 82%

Are you actually incapable of simple arithmetic? Really?

I wouldn't worry about it. Most fast-food places have registers which will do the math for you, these days. I'm sure you'll be fine.

And you seem to be blind to the fact that there is more than just education at stake here. The Free Market is not just education. It is what PRODUCTS and SERVICES you are going to provide WITH that education.

You just don't get it, do you?

Given the Economic choice, we will not send our children to Evolutionist Schools, REGARDLESS of your purported "Product Value" for Evolutionism.

It doesn't matter what "Product Value" you believe Evolutionism has, if Parents aren't willing to spend money teaching it to their kids. Given a Free Market educational system, Creationist Parents WILL NOT send our children to Evolutionist Schools, because we consider it a form of Child Abuse.

Evolution-Only Schools will die out, because the Parents, who have the Money, won't purchase their services.

132 posted on 06/29/2010 10:03:30 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: Eagle Eye

Preach on, Eagle Eye.


133 posted on 06/29/2010 10:05:13 AM PDT by morkfork (Candygram for Mongo)
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To: Mygirlsmom
And Barack Obama won't say where he was born.

Actually, he has. You just don't believe him.

134 posted on 06/29/2010 10:05:28 AM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: allmendream; metmom
re: your #131.

I repeat:

Given the Economic choice, we will not send our children to Evolutionist Schools, REGARDLESS of your purported "Product Value" for Evolutionism.

It doesn't matter what "Product Value" you believe Evolutionism has, if Parents aren't willing to spend money teaching it to their kids. Given a Free Market educational system, Creationist Parents WILL NOT send our children to Evolutionist Schools, because we consider it a form of Child Abuse.

Evolution-Only Schools will die out, because the Parents, who have the Money, won't purchase their services.

135 posted on 06/29/2010 10:05:33 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: allmendream; Christian_Capitalist; MrB

We’re already teaching religious beliefs in public schools, secular humanism and atheism, which is being dictated by the government.

Local schools should be paid for and run by local communities and reflect local communities standards.

Government control of public schools has ruined them, as it ruins EVERYTHING the government gets its hands on.

You cannot justify the damage done to education in this country all in the name of supporting the teaching of evolution. Kids in public schools can barely read and write, if they graduate in the first place.

How do you think that teaching the ToE is going to correct that? Will it make them more literate and numerate?

If they can barely read and write, what makes you think that they can correctly understand the ToE and what harm do you think that teaching creation is going to do?

Until the Scopes Trials and evolution was introduced into public schools and creation gradually edged out, all kids were taught creationism and the Bible and it happened during the first couple centuries of this country’s history, when tremendous advances were made in scientific research and technology.

Clearly that situation didn’t hinder the progress we made then.

Public education has continued to decline in the last century, at the same time that creationism was being forced out of public schools and evolution introduced.

It goes to disprove your assertion that bringing creation back into public schools is going to ruin public education.

You’re now left trying to explain how the very thing that you claim is necessary for our country to succeed coincides with the steady continued decline of science and math in the public education sector, and how your solution is going to improve it.


136 posted on 06/29/2010 10:07:36 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Christian_Capitalist

My kid’s were 1530 SAT, 32 ACT and 33 ACT.

And all going into science/technology fields.

Real dummies, eh?


137 posted on 06/29/2010 10:10:16 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
My kid’s were 1530 SAT, 32 ACT and 33 ACT. And all going into science/technology fields. Real dummies, eh?

I confess the sin of Envy, but applaud your parentage.

Now I really wish I had studied for the SATs. I really would have liked to break 1500, at least. 1490 was just so close, I could taste it.

Oh well, I have my excuses. Hard for a teenage kid to have much discipline when his dad just died.

138 posted on 06/29/2010 10:14:10 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: Christian_Capitalist
So, I don't even bother getting into a pizzing contest with these Evolutionist morons whom I know don't rank anywhere near my own 1490 SAT score (I really think I could have broken 1550 if I wasn't such an undisciplined wild child, and had actually studied for the thing -- and I'm an old enough coot to be talking about the old SATs, not the more recent dumbed-down versions). I permit them their conceits...

And this comment really shows your prejudices and arrogance that has turned me off from homeschoolers such as yourself. I teach them at the freshman/sophomore college level. Physics. And they're great at reiterating and regurgitating. Haven't seen one yet that is as good thinking outside the box as they are being an information automaton. Your supposed scientific arrogance and elitist attitude is a perfect example of what I see daily in class. It does not do the Christian faith good. (And I am one)

139 posted on 06/29/2010 10:15:28 AM PDT by morkfork (Candygram for Mongo)
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To: morkfork
I wasn't homeschooled. You think my mom could home-school me right after my father had just died? SHEESH, but you've got a lot of arrogant presumption, for someone who's never even posted to me before.

Next time, why don't you try getting to know me a little better before you start with the insults. Thank you for your concern.

140 posted on 06/29/2010 10:18:28 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: Christian_Capitalist
Arithmetic and a HUGE assumption on your part that you can count on those 82% as being supportive of teaching creationism as an alternate or the only instruction in school.

Those that believe in theistic evolution (like myself) do NOT support teaching creationism in school.

So your “simple arithmetic” is only simple in that it is simple minded.

You just don't get it. As long as there is a Free Market demand for scientists there will be a Free Market demand for schools that teach science.

The Free Market doesn't demand that less popular ideas that pay off be eliminated just because they are less popular.

If the majority of Americans stop learning science, scientists will be trained by and hired by the minority of Americans that still seek to produce value using science.

Do you understand enough about the Free Market to understand that ideas that pay off, no matter their relative popularity, will continue to have a Market?

The Free Market demand for scientists will not go away, no matter how much you might wish it would. So long as there is a Free Market demand for scientists, there will be a Free Market demand for science education.

PARENTS who have MONEY (perhaps from their job as a highly trained scientist) will seek to purchase an EDUCATION that includes science; thus so long as there is a Free Market demand for scientists, schools that teach evolution will not die out.

Where do you think this Free Market demand for highly trained scientists is going to go? When ‘you and your kind’ outbreed everybody else, you wont need none of that stuff?

141 posted on 06/29/2010 10:21:02 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream

Unfortunately, I suspect creation scientists would end up filling the same niche as those that get degrees in similarly worthless humanities - they’ll be the ones who train the next generation of those seeking the same worthless degree.


142 posted on 06/29/2010 10:23:10 AM PDT by LanPB01
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To: morkfork
"Haven't seen one yet that is as good thinking outside the box as they are being an information automaton."

Well, I haven't seen an evolutionist that can think outside their box at all because, if they can, they immediately abandon evolution.

143 posted on 06/29/2010 10:23:40 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: Christian_Capitalist

My post assumes you homeschool, not were homeschooled. Tbat’s what I got from your previous posts.

I still stand that your homeschool arrogance is not good for the Christian faith at large. And that the kids you are (or will homeschool) will have more difficulty solving “out of the box” problems coming from a homeschooling background. Maybe you’re an outlier. Hope so for your kids sake if they choose a problem solving career.


144 posted on 06/29/2010 10:26:03 AM PDT by morkfork (Candygram for Mongo)
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To: GourmetDan
And heliocentricity as well?

Do those that think outside the box immediately abandon the notion that the Earth orbits the Sun?

145 posted on 06/29/2010 10:26:03 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream; metmom
You just don't get it. As long as there is a Free Market demand for scientists there will be a Free Market demand for schools that teach science. The Free Market doesn't demand that less popular ideas that pay off be eliminated just because they are less popular.

The Demand will be for schools which teach Creationist Science, because that's what we Parents will spend our money on.

It really doesn't matter if Evolutionist Schools could guarantee our kids a Million-Dollar-a-Year Job fresh out of graduation, because we won't purchase their services. Sending a child to an Evolutionist School is a form of Child Abuse, and absolutely no amount -- NO amount -- of supposed "payoff", would be sufficient to persuade us to so Harm our children.

If there were Schools which offered students Mandatory Daily Raping as a "service" of their schooling -- and also the promise of a Good Job after graduation -- do you think that Christian Parents would send our children to such schools?

No. They would die off because of lack of Demand.
And we have the same attitude towards the teaching of Evolutionism.

Give us our Money back, and Evolutionist Schools will die out -- because we Parents will not send our children to School to be Mentally Raped. For ANY amount of alleged "payoff".

146 posted on 06/29/2010 10:29:55 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: allmendream
"And heliocentricity as well?"

Yes.

"Do those that think outside the box immediately abandon the notion that the Earth orbits the Sun?"

Those who can think outside the box admit that they are equivalent under GR.

147 posted on 06/29/2010 10:30:04 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GourmetDan

That’s because to you evolution is the end all be all of science. It’s really just a small part of the scientific body of knowledge. And your either or assumption has no basis in scientific thought.


148 posted on 06/29/2010 10:31:28 AM PDT by morkfork (Candygram for Mongo)
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To: morkfork; memom

No, I’m an advocate of homeschooling and Christian schooling, because I wish my children to have the kind of superior education which my Marxist Atheist father (and believer in Government Schooling) did not provide for his children.


149 posted on 06/29/2010 10:32:24 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: morkfork; metmom
No, I'm an advocate of homeschooling and Christian schooling, because I wish my children to have the kind of superior education which my Marxist Atheist father (and believer in Government Schooling) did not provide for his children.

(Sorry for the double-post, bad ping to MetMom in my #149)

150 posted on 06/29/2010 10:34:06 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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