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Uncle Sam Wants You to Have an Online ID
Fox News Business ^ | July 02, 2010 | Jay Bavisi co-founder of the EC-Council

Posted on 07/04/2010 8:32:29 AM PDT by nmh

As our daily interactions and transactions have become increasingly “wired,” we have yet to see any truly comprehensive attempts at securing online identities.

Our complex system of usernames and passwords is astoundingly outdated and increasingly prone to security breaches and theft. Yet, so far it has been mostly up to the individual to protect himself against various forms of identity fraud—with larger corporations taking relatively little responsibility.

But this could change in a big way. Right now the federal government is proposing a new system being referred to as the “Identity Ecosystem”—which was highlighted in the recently-released draft paper, “National Strategy for Trusted Identities in Cyberspace” [NSTIC].

The Identity Ecosystem would allow Americans to choose to obtain a single authenticated ID for online transactions. Like a passport, this single ID could travel with them online and be used to access everything from e-mail, to online health records and banking information. Furthermore, the Identity Ecosystem would only reveal the least amount of information necessary for each transaction.

To highlight the potential consumer benefits of such a system, the White House’s proposal uses the example of an individual filling a prescription online. Under the “smart ID card,” the pharmacy would only receive proof that the individual is over 18 and that the prescription is valid. No other information like birth date or the reason for the prescription.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; biggovernment; cultureofcorruption; identityecosystem; internet; intrusive; nannystate; napl; nstic; obamaadministration; obamalegacy; obamunism; orwelliannightmare; papersplease; privacy; privacyrights; smartidcard; transparency
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But the costs associated with implementing such a system would likely be enormous. The NSTIC has anticipated some kickback and will be offering businesses incentives such as tax credits/breaks, insurance, grants and loans for early adoption.
1 posted on 07/04/2010 8:32:35 AM PDT by nmh
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To: nmh

The cost of implementing? Whats the cost if China hacks in and steals all the info?


2 posted on 07/04/2010 8:35:16 AM PDT by wiggen (Government owned slave.)
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To: nmh
I'm sure it will be "secured" from government prying eyes and others.

Just like our SS number.

3 posted on 07/04/2010 8:36:09 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: All
More on

International Council of E-Commerce Consultants (EC-Council), a global organization that researches, consults and provides training on issues of e-commerce and cybersecurity. Jay is a regularly featured speaker at e-commerce and cybersecurity conferences in the U.S., Asia, Europe and the Middle East.

http://www.eccouncil.org/

Keep the GOVERNMENT out of your life even if it means the PRIVATE sector can benefit through work. This is intrusive.

Are we getting closer to George Orwell's 1984?

4 posted on 07/04/2010 8:36:23 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: unixfox

There goes ANY Right to Free Speech

IF it disagrees with the GOVERNMENT!


5 posted on 07/04/2010 8:37:19 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

Why not just stamp a number on our foreheads?


6 posted on 07/04/2010 8:37:26 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: nmh

Easier business transactions, etc. is not the real purpose behind this proposed system. It is a means to quickly identify ANY user, poster, blogger, emailer, etc. on the web and log them in a database (later, when they have the power consolidated for detainment, imprisonment and execution). Go ahead and laugh now, I’m sure the Germans would have used this instead of all the manpower they had to devote catching Jews.


7 posted on 07/04/2010 8:37:53 AM PDT by Gaffer ("Profiling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: wiggen
"Whats the cost if China hacks in and steals all the info?"

Hack? They won't have to. Obama will give them access if they'll finance more of his stupid ideas.

8 posted on 07/04/2010 8:38:00 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: nmh

This ain’t Uncle Sam, it’s Big Brother Barack.


9 posted on 07/04/2010 8:38:14 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (For the first time in half a century, there is no former KKK member in the US Senate.)
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To: nmh

btt


10 posted on 07/04/2010 8:38:31 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: nmh

No, absolutely not.

Go to hell government.

They always try to sell supposed benefits as a reason to track you.

Come on folks, this stuff is not a benefit.


11 posted on 07/04/2010 8:38:46 AM PDT by dforest
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To: nmh
The Identity Ecosystem would allow Americans to choose to obtain a single authenticated ID for online transactions. Like a passport, this single ID could travel with them online and be used to access everything from e-mail, to online health records and banking information. Furthermore, the Identity Ecosystem would only reveal the least amount of information necessary for each transaction.

This is stupidity on stilts. It will simply make identity theft and identity fraud easier. It will also make it infinitely easier for the government to track us all online - forget "privacy," this is the digital version of the panopticon as dissected by Foucault.

But then, why would anyone expect anything other than a panopticon-like arrangement from the fascists in power? They want to control our health care - our very lives - they want to control whether we can be born - through abortion, which will be "free" under Obastardcare, and most likely coercively enforced eventually - and they want to control our ability to freely express our political views, so this is just part and parcel of their overall attempt to control every aspect of our lives.

A much, much better system is one like the one-time-use numbers some financial institutions offer for their account-holders to use in online transactions.


12 posted on 07/04/2010 8:39:38 AM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: EGPWS
“Why not just stamp a number on our foreheads?”

The sheeple aren't quite ready for that ... but something like this could work you up to that. You have to do this stuff INCREMENTALLY and have people believe it is for THEIR best interests. In this situation it will be to give you more privacy (LOL) and fast efficient access to your PERSONAL information. That will strike a chord with many utopians but for those who THINK, they will not want any parts of this.

13 posted on 07/04/2010 8:40:16 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

Uncle “Obambi” wants you to have an internet ID so that he knows where to send his NazEIU thugs when someone dares to speak out against him.


14 posted on 07/04/2010 8:40:48 AM PDT by meyer (Big government is the enemy of freedom.)
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To: Gaffer
It is a means to quickly identify ANY user, poster, blogger, emailer, etc. on the web and log them in a database...

SO THEY CAN TAX THEM!

15 posted on 07/04/2010 8:40:53 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Oceander

It is the end of free speech online. it is already a problem. This will make it worse.


16 posted on 07/04/2010 8:41:33 AM PDT by dforest
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To: nmh

So far, this proposition seems to rate in popularity somewhere between having a car roll over your foot, and having one’s buttocks depilated with a belt sander, then moistened with fresh lemon juice.


17 posted on 07/04/2010 8:42:00 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Gaffer
Yes ... it's the Cyber Gestapo.

But look how they spin it - Identity Ecosystem !

Many “save the earth” folks will LIKE the word “eco”.

People are so dumb!

18 posted on 07/04/2010 8:42:24 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

LOL!

Just give them time ... remember telling the truth is not their forte. They will get people on board by LYING to them!


19 posted on 07/04/2010 8:44:17 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

How many months/years until they shut down FR and send us “domestic terrorists” to the work camps?


20 posted on 07/04/2010 8:44:32 AM PDT by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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To: nmh

This seems to me just another way for the criminals, including those in government, of gaining more control over people.


21 posted on 07/04/2010 8:45:14 AM PDT by FreePaul
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To: nmh
You have to do this stuff INCREMENTALLY and have people believe it is for THEIR best interests.

Like Social Security and a retirement in your name only attached to a private number to be used for Social Security Administration purposes only?

22 posted on 07/04/2010 8:45:26 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: meyer

That’s NatC’s

National Civilian Community Corps = NCCC = NatC’s...


23 posted on 07/04/2010 8:46:02 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 527 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: nmh

The biggest cause of identity theft and fraud is the federal government. Despite what it says on the card itself, Social Security cards are used in every phase of our life as identification. The military stopped using serial number and replaced them with SS #. That number is on every travel order, transfer, promotion and discharge. What happens when a member of the armed forces retires or is discharged? His SS# might as well have been posted on the internet for all the good it does.

And if that is not enough, SS # are used as identification on W-2’s, I-9’s, state tax forms, incorporation papers, tax returns, etc. How can any system be secure if we are giving away the keys to the vault?


24 posted on 07/04/2010 8:47:00 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: nmh; All

Online Identification — Careful Consideration needed

Under some circumstances you should use an online identity and this would be for any commercial business— online shopping, paying bills, etc

Under other circumstances anonymity is important. Any time that you wish to express a viewpoint on an issue you will have those for and those against.

it doesn’t matter what your viewpoint is this will be true

it is also true that here in these united States we honor your right to express yourself

and that without being attacked — by the government, or any other group or individuals

in an ideal society you would not be attacked for expressing your views

but no such ideal societies have ever existed, or ever will exist

as a result it is important that we all be allowed to use a nom de plume when expressing our views over the public net


25 posted on 07/04/2010 8:47:06 AM PDT by Mike Acker
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To: EGPWS
“Like Social Security and a retirement in your name only attached to a private number to be used for Social Security Administration purposes only? “

Yeah ... something like that and it will work out just as well. Only with this it will be ONLINE and infringe on your freedom of speech and be a hackers paradise.

26 posted on 07/04/2010 8:47:40 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: unixfox
SO THEY CAN TAX THEM!

And when they do, everyone with old monitors/towers etc. should travel to D.C. and dump them on the capital steps. Masked and under cover of darkness of course! Or dressed as Indians!

27 posted on 07/04/2010 8:48:01 AM PDT by Kudsman (A lifetime of public service = a lifetime of getting serviced by the public.- Mark Steyn)
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To: indylindy
Indeed. Which means that it's time to start investing in onion routers, and making sure that an infrastructure of onion routers is maintained that the government cannot get rid of - offshore would be a good place to locate 'em.

Just for the uninitiated, an onion routing is:

"a flexible communications infrastructure that is resistant to both eavesdropping and traffic analysis. Onion routing accomplishes this goal by separating identification from routing. Connections are always anonymous, although communication need not be. Communication may be made anonymous by removing identifying information from the data stream. Onion routing can be used by a variety of unmodified Internet applications by means of proxies (non-invasive procedure) or by modifying the network protocol stack on a machine to be connected to the network (moderate or highly-invasive procedure)."

See Onion Routing, Executive Summary


28 posted on 07/04/2010 8:48:33 AM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: NTHockey

Shhhhhhh!

THINKING and SPEAKING about it online will NOT be allowed with your online ID.


29 posted on 07/04/2010 8:48:44 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: NTHockey

Shhhhhhh!

THINKING and SPEAKING about it online will NOT be allowed with your online ID.


30 posted on 07/04/2010 8:48:55 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Won’t matter. They’ll pass it anyway. Democrats think we are a communist country. They really scary part is that Americans let them make their dream a reality.

The American dream is already done for. There is nothing left to “protect”. We need to rebuild the country once the fascists have been driven out or exterminated. This may take centuries just to begin.


31 posted on 07/04/2010 8:49:23 AM PDT by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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To: Mike Acker
Yes, yes and our OLINE consumer transactions using credit cards are HACKED more frequently than credit card companies admit to. Now, extend that to MORE areas and see what you get!
32 posted on 07/04/2010 8:50:18 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
"Are we getting closer to George Orwell's 1984?"

With every tick of the clock...

33 posted on 07/04/2010 8:51:10 AM PDT by Pablo64 (Political Correctness is a DISEASE. <==> TRUTH is the CURE.)
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To: nmh

Is this that thing where our glassed jawed cowardly mack daddy who occupies the White House won’t have to keep looking for me to answer my challenge to a duel?


34 posted on 07/04/2010 8:51:55 AM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: indylindy
They always try to sell supposed benefits as a reason to track you.

Give people enough apps on their phones and they're more than happy to carry their own personal lo jack. Everybody in Oregon was wondering why police were searching a certain area for Kyron Horman when it was seemingly unconnected by physical evidence. Dollars to doughnuts, his step-mom's cell phone placed her there.

35 posted on 07/04/2010 8:55:27 AM PDT by gundog (Outrage is anger taken by surprise. Nothing these people do surprises me anymore.)
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To: wiggen

“Whats the cost if China hacks in and steals all the info?”

Just thinking the same thing—the feds can’t protect themselves from hackers and they want us to trust them?


36 posted on 07/04/2010 8:56:24 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: nmh

Implement that program and the government gets the keys to your kingdom.


37 posted on 07/04/2010 8:56:53 AM PDT by puppypusher
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To: nmh; EGPWS
Universal ID: Going beyond smart cards & databases
38 posted on 07/04/2010 8:58:48 AM PDT by EBH (Our First Right...."it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,")
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To: nmh

Mark of the Beast


39 posted on 07/04/2010 8:59:29 AM PDT by RedMDer (Throw them all out in 2010... Forward with Confidence! Forward!)
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To: nmh

Is this for the children?


40 posted on 07/04/2010 9:02:47 AM PDT by Mark was here (It’s either Obama or America. There cannot be both.)
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To: wiggen

Of course our friendly Big Brother types just COULDN’T be interested in what we’re BUYING, SAYING, POSTING, THINKING....NO...COULDN’T be any of that!!! Wanna purchase AMMO online?? Big Brother will know about it. Post on FR??? Better not be critical of The One!!!


41 posted on 07/04/2010 9:03:22 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: MarineBrat
Your challenging ideas will be NO MORE!

That's the hidden beauty of it.

Just as there are keyword search for your phone conversations and e-mails - NOW they will have you nailed for anything else you author!

It's ALL about controlling what you say ... recall how freedom of speech may need limitations ... it will no longer depend on your “motivation”.

Who was it that said freedom of speech may need BOUDANRIES and that it will depend on the MOTIVATION behind the free speech? This was recent.

42 posted on 07/04/2010 9:05:10 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: puppypusher
You want an real life example...heavens we need to stay up with the rest of the world on this stuff!

India to capture 1.2 billion population in new digital census

Authorities insist that the NPR plan, which involves issuing universal ID cards to all residents by 2013, will help check embezzlement of government funds.

The project, said Chandramouli, was originally envisaged almost a decade ago. But the terror attack on the Indian financial capital of Mumbai in 2008 led authorities to expedite it, with trials on for over a year now in more than 3,000 coastal villages of the country, he added.

In India, illegal immigration from Bangladesh has been an issue of serious concern for over decades. Border guards of both neighboring nations have also set up an institutional framework to discuss illegitimate cross-border movements, according to India's external affairs ministry.

For India, the new ID scheme can also be a potential means to detect illegal aliens living in the country.

43 posted on 07/04/2010 9:05:41 AM PDT by EBH (Our First Right...."it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,")
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To: Mark was here

Maybe ... but it could also be to “save the earth” because it uses the word “eco”.


44 posted on 07/04/2010 9:05:55 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

Fox News wants your log in and password before you can leave a comment. They have drunk the Kool-Aid.


45 posted on 07/04/2010 9:06:51 AM PDT by Excellence ("A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it.")
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To: RedMDer

Yes ... we are working out way towards that.


46 posted on 07/04/2010 9:07:10 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Excellence

“Fox News wants your log in and password before you can leave a comment. They have drunk the Kool-Aid.”

It is my CHOICE if *I* decide to give them that inexchange for “free speech” as long as I am not offesive - swear words etc.. I have no problem with that and I dare say Fox is not nearly as powerful as our government.


47 posted on 07/04/2010 9:08:53 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: unixfox

“SO THEY CAN TAX THEM!”

Well, that is one of the top two. The other would be removing your First Amendment rights, and if you don’t comply, they’ll know where to go to remove YOU.

This is way more ominous than any Nanny State concerns.

Be very afraid!


48 posted on 07/04/2010 9:10:07 AM PDT by Habibi ("It is vain to do with more what can be done with less." - William of Occam)
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To: Kudsman

After removing the hard drive!


49 posted on 07/04/2010 9:10:07 AM PDT by Excellence ("A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it.")
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To: nmh

No...NO...ABSOLUTELY NO!


50 posted on 07/04/2010 9:10:07 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Napolean fries the idea powder.)
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