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McCain breaks away as critical support eludes Hayworth
Arizona Capitol Times ^ | July 2, 2010 | Jeremy Duda

Posted on 07/05/2010 11:37:17 PM PDT by tlb

First, it was Sarah Palin. Then it was Arizona Right to Life and the National Rifle Association. Most recently, the revered National Review gave its imprimatur to McCain.

When Hayworth entered the race in January, McCain was at his most vulnerable point in decades. Polling showed McCain had a lead within the margin of error and was struggling to redefine himself as a Republican loyalist. But polls now show McCain with a solid lead.

Baker said the McCain campaign may have engineered a sort of domino effect: Each endorsement shows the next group that backing McCain is a safer bet than it may have first appeared, and Republican voters seem to be following the same trend.

McCain has focused Hayworth’s reputation in Congress as a pork-barrel spender, a serious offense to many conservatives. And the senator has run an undeniably negative campaign against Hayworth, openly mocking him and attacking his credibility.

The McCain campaign has posted videos online poking fun at Hayworth for questioning the authenticity of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate, suggesting that allowing gay marriage could pave the way for men to wed horses, and especially for appearing in a 2007 infomercial urging people to take advantage of “free money” from government grants.

The infomercial for the National Grants Conferences has been the most damning revelation yet, combining the promotion of government spending with a host of informercial stereotypes. It prompted the popular FOX News personality Glenn Beck to declare that Hayworth’s campaign is over.

If McCain had a more conservative challenger, National Review wrote, the endorsement might have gone elsewhere. But while Hayworth’s record is conservative, the article read, it isn’t conservative enough to make a compelling case against McCain.

“He may not be Marco Rubio, but he’s not Arlen Specter either,” the editorial said of McCain.

(Excerpt) Read more at azcapitoltimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
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To: catfish1957

So Cal Pol was spreading lies; first about Chuck DeVore, then Hayworth. Opinions are fine, but outright lies are hard to countenance.

Equal opportunity zotter?

Yeah, I agree ;-)


251 posted on 07/07/2010 6:37:19 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our Troops, and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Good visual!!

I thought you'd like that. ;)
252 posted on 07/07/2010 6:38:53 AM PDT by mkjessup (Hosea can you see you are in America illegally? Gooood, now **GTF** >>OUT<< !!!!)
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To: catfish1957

Just where was his opposition research team - and who were they????

Never mind - they were too busy bashing Sarah!!!


253 posted on 07/07/2010 6:59:14 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: Jim Robinson

I can’t believe this attack on Hayworth by said poster is simply because Palin unfortunately endorsed McCain.

I like Palin too but not this part.


254 posted on 07/07/2010 7:33:19 AM PDT by wardaddy (I am not in favor of practical endorsements in primaries, endorse the conservative please)
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To: OneWingedShark
the Palinites are the ‘conservative’ equivalent of the obots and creepily like a cult of personality.

Palin supporters like me are not all like that. That sort of all or nothing cliquish behavior that brooks zero dissent you see by some here for Sarah is more a result of the personalities of some who "live" on political chat forums than it is indicative of all Sarah Plain supporters.

It's a control thing...a not uncommon emotion for middle aged women ..lol

255 posted on 07/07/2010 7:37:10 AM PDT by wardaddy (I am not in favor of practical endorsements in primaries, endorse the conservative please)
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To: greyfoxx39

Thanks! I will call his people today and set it up, maybe for next week....I think maybe 7pm would be a good time? I don’t know. It’s most important to Zonies, so that would be Pacific Time. But we want everyone to get involved and to DONATE. Let’s not fool ourselves...he wants to come here and talk, but he will be asking for contributions.


256 posted on 07/07/2010 9:12:17 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: greyfoxx39

Thanks! I will call his people today and set it up, maybe for next week....I think maybe 7pm would be a good time? I don’t know. It’s most important to Zonies, so that would be Pacific Time. But we want everyone to get involved and to DONATE. Let’s not fool ourselves...he wants to come here and talk, but he will be asking for contributions.


257 posted on 07/07/2010 9:12:27 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: greyfoxx39

Thanks! I will call his people today and set it up, maybe for next week....I think maybe 7pm would be a good time? I don’t know. It’s most important to Zonies, so that would be Pacific Time. But we want everyone to get involved and to DONATE. Let’s not fool ourselves...he wants to come here and talk, but he will be asking for contributions.


258 posted on 07/07/2010 9:12:35 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: stephenjohnbanker; Jim Robinson

Excellent!


259 posted on 07/07/2010 9:12:48 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Look at me, look at me, look at me, look at me... is not indicative of Presidential timber.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Wait, wait...I’m not following this.

You ban her, for, I guess, being a troll who adds nothing to the conversation.

But then, immediately afterwards, you respond to her.

Afterwards. So that she can’t respond to you.

Classy.


260 posted on 07/07/2010 9:15:48 AM PDT by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for, it matters who takes office.)
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To: AmishDude
Lots of folks on FR have lost their freaking minds....must be a libertarian trait. lol
261 posted on 07/07/2010 9:22:06 AM PDT by verity (Obama, the bullshit and rhetoric President)
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To: AmishDude; Jim Robinson; mkjessup; rabscuttle385; Hildy; DoughtyOne

” Wait, wait...I’m not following this. “

I’ll tell the WORLD you aren’t following this.

” You ban her, for, I guess, being a troll who adds nothing to the conversation.”

One is banned for being a troll. A LIAR. A disinformation/disruptor. One is NOT banned for failing to contribute to a conversation

” But then, immediately afterwards, you respond to her.”

So what? There are always a few people who post to someone who has been zotted. Check other zots out for proof.

“Afterwards. So that she can’t respond to you.”

This poster just repeated the same lies relentlessly. You want to argue with a liar? Have at it! The rest of us were sick of it.


262 posted on 07/07/2010 9:32:02 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our Troops, and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: verity

No, it’s not libertarian. It’s human nature.

People think that if they throw a tantrum and threaten to take their ball and go home that they will get their way.

Maybe. Once. But eventually the other players stop inviting that kid, buy their own ball and invite somebody else to play.

This is basically David Frum’s MO, by the way.


263 posted on 07/07/2010 9:32:24 AM PDT by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for, it matters who takes office.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
One is banned for being a troll. A LIAR. A disinformation/disruptor. One is NOT banned for failing to contribute to a conversation

Actually, that is why someone is banned. A troll by definition contributes nothing. A disruptor stirs the pot just to watch the arguments. And, of course, there are the zealots or paid For the record, I don't agree with the argument, but it's reasonable and could be responded to by an intelligent person.

In addition, the specific post responded to was not a lie.

Look, if you want to justify it to yourself, fine. Ban whomever you want and cackle about it later. Charles Johnson and David Frum do it all the time.

For me, I never feel like I have to get the AH HA! at the end of every argument. If I win, I know it. But it's just one of hundreds of threads on a little message board. It doesn't change anything.

But to respond afterwards? Pretty low to me.

264 posted on 07/07/2010 9:41:41 AM PDT by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for, it matters who takes office.)
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To: AmishDude

Gee, you really get weepy when trolls get zotted don’t you.

LOL, you’re not quite able to understand the dynamics of troll vs valid contributor or something?


265 posted on 07/07/2010 9:43:27 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Look at me, look at me, look at me, look at me... is not indicative of Presidential timber.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I oppose Obama and the Democrats. I’m really not much concerned with cliquery.


266 posted on 07/07/2010 9:46:02 AM PDT by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for, it matters who takes office.)
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To: rabscuttle385
See 115 and 118. SoCalPol is gone again, LOL.

Along with my monthly donation. LOL

Congratulations

267 posted on 07/07/2010 9:46:09 AM PDT by upsdriver (ret.)
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To: AmishDude; DoughtyOne; mkjessup

” Actually, that is why someone is banned. A troll by definition contributes nothing. “

Thank you for exposing your intellectual shortcomings.


268 posted on 07/07/2010 9:47:36 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our Troops, and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: AmishDude

same here

I despise the delight others take in getting someone banned.


269 posted on 07/07/2010 9:50:15 AM PDT by upsdriver (ret.)
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To: AmishDude

Except when it comes to defending trolls. Then clickery is so appealing huh.


270 posted on 07/07/2010 9:50:41 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Look at me, look at me, look at me, look at me... is not indicative of Presidential timber.)
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To: upsdriver

Look, you folks need to put down the facial tissue, and move to a place that supports what SoCalPol wanted to hawk here.

This is a Conservative forum that supports Conservative candidates. If you haven’t learned anything else here, you should have at least come away with that understanding.

If SoCalPol wants to support Conservative candidates, I have no problem with it. If she wants to support McCain(D), she can get lost.


271 posted on 07/07/2010 9:53:26 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Look at me, look at me, look at me, look at me... is not indicative of Presidential timber.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Thank you for exposing your intellectual shortcomings.

I gave it some thought but I think I'm right in that this is not just a non-sequitur, but extremely non in its sequiturity.

272 posted on 07/07/2010 9:55:06 AM PDT by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for, it matters who takes office.)
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To: upsdriver; DoughtyOne; mkjessup

” I despise the delight others take in getting someone banned. “

Even if they are repeated bare-faced liars?

That is your problem, not ours.

And it isn’t “delight”, it is relief.


273 posted on 07/07/2010 9:55:31 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our Troops, and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

You keep using the word “lie” but (1) even you didn’t argue that this applied to the poster who was responded to after the ban and (2) I read the non-pulled post and I didn’t see a refutation of the “lie”. Frankly, I didn’t see anybody actually refuting them even though I thought they were weak arguments, tangential and beside the point.


274 posted on 07/07/2010 10:02:04 AM PDT by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for, it matters who takes office.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Agreed. It really angers me to see people jobbing this forum to back leftist politicians. If people can’t handle what the goals of the forum are, they should opt for greener pastures.


275 posted on 07/07/2010 10:05:08 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Look at me, look at me, look at me, look at me... is not indicative of Presidential timber.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; upsdriver; DoughtyOne; jimrob; All
“I despise the delight others take in getting someone banned.”
Even if they are repeated bare-faced liars?
That is your problem, not ours.
And it isn’t “delight”, it is relief.


I say let the disgruntled take it up with JimRob, he chose to zot the lying trolls. Personally, you bet I'm delighted, it was about time. Nobody "got" the dearly departed banned, they did that to themselves. Good riddance.

Q - What do you call two zotted trolls on a Tuesday night?

A - A good start.
276 posted on 07/07/2010 10:19:35 AM PDT by mkjessup (Hosea can you see you are in America illegally? Gooood, now **GTF** >>OUT<< !!!!)
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To: AmishDude

Don’t you have a cow to milk somewhere?


277 posted on 07/07/2010 10:20:39 AM PDT by mkjessup (Hosea can you see you are in America illegally? Gooood, now **GTF** >>OUT<< !!!!)
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To: Rummyfan
“He may not be Marco Rubio, but he’s not Arlen Specter either,” the editorial said of McCain.

Only because he hasn't changed his registration yet.

278 posted on 07/07/2010 10:22:36 AM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

He always posts in favor of McCain and dises JD.


279 posted on 07/07/2010 10:25:58 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

” He always posts in favor of McCain and dises JD.”

Yes, and not just “disses”, he outright lies about J.D. and his background. That got old very quickly.


280 posted on 07/07/2010 10:53:12 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our Troops, and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: mkjessup

Yeah ;-)


281 posted on 07/07/2010 10:54:10 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our Troops, and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Again, you keep using the word “lie” but you have only applied that to one of the banned posters and I have not seen a post that exposes any of the “lies”. Granted, one post was obliterated, but another is still up there.

Honestly, I want to know what the lies are.


282 posted on 07/07/2010 11:04:40 AM PDT by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for, it matters who takes office.)
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To: AmishDude

Chris Simcox who is now supporting JD Hayworth and who has been advising him.

Who is Simcox.......
A judge in Phoenix granted an order of protection on April 16, ordering Simcox to surrender his firearms and stay at least 200 yards away from his family.

In her petition for an order of protection, Alena Simcox, 30, his third wife, alleges that she came home from shopping Nov. 29 to find her husband intoxicated.

She writes that he threatened her with a gun, “repeatedly pointed it at me, saying he was going to kill me, and my kids, and the police.”

Alena Simcox describes a six-hour ordeal during which she locked herself and her three children in a bedroom until he passed out at 2 a.m. Afraid for her safety, she did not call the police.

“He was waiting by the door for the police to come, with a gun pointed at me,” she wrote.

Alena Simcox also described a separate incident on Aug. 22, 2009: “On our wedding anniversary, he was drinking and angry. Got a revolver gun and loaded with kids present.

Then proceeded to ask me to ‘shoot him.’ I said ‘no,’ so then he said he would shoot the entire family and cops.”
Neither Chris Simcox nor his lawyer responded to requests for comment from The Associated Press.

The alleged threats are the latest episode in a troubled family life for Chris Simcox.

His first wife accused him of trying to molest their teenage daughter, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, a civil-rights group that has warned about extremism in the Minuteman movement.

His second wife filed an emergency motion to obtain full custody of their teenage son because it seemed Chris Simcox was undergoing a mental breakdown and growing dangerous after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the SPLC reported in 2005, based on an examination of court records in Los Angeles.

In April 2004, a federal judge sentenced Chris Simcox to two years of probation for carrying a firearm on national forest property..........
People who keep informed knew what Simcox’s background was to start with and knew McCain was far better than this
fringe lunatic.

JD Hayworth accepted Simcox’s endorsement whith his background being common knowledge.

JD Hayworth was late entering the primary because he had to pay back the money to convicted felon Jack Abramoff.

Rep.J.D. Hayworth the largest single recipient of Abramoff related money and co-chairman of the Congressional Native American Caucus, has received more than $150,000 from Indian tribes once represented by Abramoff.

8 posted on Monday, July 05, 2010 11:54:30 PM by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)


283 posted on 07/07/2010 11:41:45 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our Troops, and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: AmishDude; mkjessup; AuntB; Hildy

T%here is not a single thing said here about Hayworth which is not a lie. Go research it yourself. I have no interest in posting to you.


284 posted on 07/07/2010 11:45:02 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our Troops, and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

You being unwilling to respond is very convenient for you, but the only potential lie that regards Hayworth is that he knew about Simcox’ past and “accepted” his endorsement.

Let’s face it, there are lots of endorsements accepted from people who aren’t perfect. The correct response isn’t to brand it a lie but to say, “So what? McCain was endorsed by Lindsay Graham.”

If that’s a dealbreaker, there won’t be any endorsements. Besides “accepting an endorsement” is a huge range. Reagan accepted the endorsement of the Log Cabin crowd saying that he was happy that they agreed with him.

If you call somebody a liar, you’d better have countering facts and if you ban someone for making arguments you can’t counter, then you’re admitting that you can’t win the argument.


285 posted on 07/07/2010 12:50:51 PM PDT by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for, it matters who takes office.)
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To: AmishDude; All

Let’s cut to the chase. Who are YOU supporting Sparky? McCain, or Hayworth?


286 posted on 07/07/2010 1:18:14 PM PDT by mkjessup (Hosea can you see you are in America illegally? Gooood, now **GTF** >>OUT<< !!!!)
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To: mkjessup

That isn’t the issue. It really isn’t. We aren’t a bunch of Twilight readers who have to decide “Team Jacob/Team Edward”.

I’m not an Arizonan and I haven’t given money to either candidate.

I won’t support Hayworth just because I want my pound of flesh from McCain. I am willing to acknowledge that “not McCain” might be worse than McCain. With Hayworth being significantly younger, that is a much bigger issue than for McCain who is unlikely to finish his term. Frankly, I’m just not well-informed on the race. Early on, it could be said that I was more sympathetic to Hayworth, which you are welcome to quote from my old posts.

Of course, at this point it doesn’t seem to matter because Arizona Republicans seem to have moved to McCain.


287 posted on 07/07/2010 1:30:19 PM PDT by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for, it matters who takes office.)
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To: AmishDude

Well, look, this is FR. FR is a conservative site. We aggressively defend our first amendment rights to fight against unconstitutional government.

John McCain worked with the Democrats to craft an unconstitutional anti-free speech bill (McCain-Feingold) and got it passed into law. This bill gave big advantages to the liberals and helped them take control of the congress. John McCain is an enemy of the constitution. John McCain is an enemy to Liberty. John McCain is an enemy of conservatism. John McCain is my enemy.

John McCain works with the Democrats every chance he gets. He fights for Obama’s idiotic/fraudulent economy-killing unconstitutional Cap and Tax global warming sham wow program (McCain-Lieberman Climate Stewardship Act). He fights for comprehensive immigration reform (McCain-Kennedy), aka amnesty, which would destroy this country. He formed a gang of 14 Republicans and Democrats in the senate to fight against conservatives.

FR promotes the Tea Party Rebellion 100%.

TARP was the last straw for many of us and was the spark that set off the Tea Party movement. John McCain championed TARP. He suspended his campaign and rushed back to DC, not to fight for the constitution, Liberty and capitalism, but to champion the unconstitutional socialist TARP program. He had an opportunity to set himself apart from Bush and Obama and fight for Liberty, but he went for Marxism instead. His support for TARP killed his chances for the presidency and ushered in Obama and the era of Marxism. Now he wants to work with Obama.

John McCain did and does as much as any Democrat to kill our economy, kill our constitution, kill our Liberty, kill our economy, kill America. More than Kennedy you ask? Well, yes, he partnered up with Kennedy in McCain-Kennedy. More than Obama? Well, yes, he’s pushing comprehensive immigration reform and Cap and Tax. He says we have nothing to fear from Obama.

John McCain is a liar. He has a solid history of pushing for amnesty. Even has an amnesty bill with his name on it (McCain-Kennedy). Now that he’s facing a serious conservative challenger, he’s desperate and scared and singing a different tune. It’s sickening to watch.

McCain is a useful idiot (look it up). McCain is the enemy within (look it up). McCain is a traitor to the constitution he has sworn an oath to defend both as a naval officer and elected representative. John McCain IS a traitor.

John McCain is my enemy.

You are NOT going to defend or support John McCain on FR and survive.

If we cannot fight for conservatism on FR, where can we?

If we cannot fight for conservatism during the primaries, when can we?

If you support and campaign for traitors like John McCain, you are on the wrong website.

In short, if you give aid and comfort to my enemy, I don’t want you around.


288 posted on 07/07/2010 1:33:56 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (JUST VOTE THEM OUT! teapartyexpress.org)
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To: Jim Robinson
Viva Senor Jaime Thompson!!!

Ummm, sorry Jim, I was thinking about that thread I started a few days ago...

Cornyn and KBH are next.

289 posted on 07/07/2010 1:43:15 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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To: Jim Robinson
John McCain is my enemy.

You say McCain's an enemy because he has allied himself with Democrats far too often. I think that's true and I get frustrated and angry at it. But I'm not myopic and I won't throw a tantrum because I didn't get my way. If I get one vote better than a Democrat, then I'll take that over the actual Democrat. The true enemy is Obama and Pelosi and Reid. Period.

If we cannot fight for conservatism on FR, where can we?

"We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender" -- Winston Churchill

With all due respect, this is just an internet forum. Just like Little Green Footballs or FrumForum (or whatever he's calling it now). Men and women greater and more noble than I have fought for principles of conservatism in places with greater impact and greater risk than an internet forum.

If we cannot fight for conservatism during the primaries, when can we?

Please do. Advocate for your candidate, oppose your opponent. And, most importantly, present good arguments that counter the ones of your opposition.

Has it occurred to you that, perhaps, by not presenting a place where supporters of Hayworth could effectively argue against the arguments of McCain supporters that Hayworth's campaign got soft and insulated?

What if this approach is counterproductive? The great advantage of the conservative movement is that liberals are so uninformed. They've gotten weak because they think that everybody agrees with them.

In short, if you give aid and comfort to my enemy, I don’t want you around.

That's your right. But moving McCain so far and forcing him to take positions in opposition to his previous positions is a major success. More importantly, he's locked himself in to some of these. Take the victory and use it. Don't fight battles that are over.

I believe that true conservatism is persuasive and compassionate. I don't believe that it operates by aping the Left's organizational paradigms.

290 posted on 07/07/2010 2:06:56 PM PDT by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for, it matters who takes office.)
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To: AmishDude

With all due respect, B/S. I’ll fight my wars my way and I’ll be up front about it. John McCain is a backstabbing traitor and a lying SOB and I won’t take smack from aiders and abettors of treason!!

FUJM!!

Go, JD, GO!!

Rebellion is brewing!!

Those who don’t like it can take a flying leap at a rolling donut. IOW, don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!!


291 posted on 07/07/2010 2:13:02 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (JUST VOTE THEM OUT! teapartyexpress.org)
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To: AmishDude; Hildy; mkjessup; DoughtyOne; Arizona Carolyn; All

” You being unwilling to respond is very convenient for you, but the only potential lie that regards Hayworth is that he knew about Simcox’ past and “accepted” his endorsement. “

Do you have a habit of reading only half of a sentence??

” Chris Simcox who is now supporting JD Hayworth and who has been advising him.”

Soooooo.....Simcox is ADVISING J.D. Hayworth????

” JD Hayworth accepted Simcox’s endorsement whith his background being common knowledge. “

Bare-faced lie.

” JD Hayworth was late entering the primary because he had to pay back the money to convicted felon Jack Abramoff. “

Bare-faced lie.

” Rep.J.D. Hayworth the largest single recipient of Abramoff related money and co-chairman of the Congressional Native American Caucus, has received more than $150,000 from Indian tribes once represented by Abramoff. “

Bare-faced lie.

” If you call somebody a liar, you’d better have countering facts and if you ban someone for making arguments you can’t counter, then you’re admitting that you can’t win the argument.”

Fair enough. Now show me proof of any of these slanderous lies I posted above, or get lost!!


292 posted on 07/07/2010 2:14:14 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our Troops, and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: tlb

The voters of Arizona are (edited for bannable comments)


293 posted on 07/07/2010 2:14:17 PM PDT by Grunthor (I like you but when the zombies chase us, I'm tripping you.)
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To: AmishDude

By the way, screw compassionate conservatism. There is no such thing. RINOism is liberalism!! Compassionate conservatism equal epic fail!!


294 posted on 07/07/2010 2:15:16 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (JUST VOTE THEM OUT! teapartyexpress.org)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Soooooo.....Simcox is ADVISING J.D. Hayworth????

Undoubtedly. The question is whether JD is listening.

” JD Hayworth accepted Simcox’s endorsement whith his background being common knowledge. “

Bare-faced lie.

OK. It's common knowledge now, I assume.

” JD Hayworth was late entering the primary because he had to pay back the money to convicted felon Jack Abramoff. “

Bare-faced lie.

OK. Cite it. Frankly, I don't think much of this charge, but it seems that you do. So cite the countering evidence.

” Rep.J.D. Hayworth the largest single recipient of Abramoff related money and co-chairman of the Congressional Native American Caucus, has received more than $150,000 from Indian tribes once represented by Abramoff. “

Bare-faced lie.

Again, I think the "connected to Abramoff" thing is weak, but if it's a lie, it should be very easy to present the countering facts.

Fair enough. Now show me proof of any of these slanderous lies I posted above, or get lost!!

Whoa! It doesn't work that way. You can push the original poster for verifying information, but once you declare it to be a lie, the onus is on you.

295 posted on 07/07/2010 2:24:23 PM PDT by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for, it matters who takes office.)
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To: AmishDude

FU Dude! I see a zot in your immediate future. Get the hell off this thread or get the hell off FR!!


296 posted on 07/07/2010 2:27:31 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (JUST VOTE THEM OUT! teapartyexpress.org)
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To: Jim Robinson
No, I said true conservatism is compassionate. It can be defended on its own terms and not by twisting them. Cruelty and "omelets made of broken eggs" are hallmarks of the Stalinist Left.

I’ll fight my wars my way and I’ll be up front about it.

And when you lose?

I'm thinking about the war, to use your metaphor, not a single battle.

297 posted on 07/07/2010 2:28:02 PM PDT by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for, it matters who takes office.)
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To: AmishDude

Look, if you don’t like the way I run my railroad, you can always buy a ticket on a different line. Take a hint, pal. Get lost!!


298 posted on 07/07/2010 2:29:55 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (JUST VOTE THEM OUT! teapartyexpress.org)
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To: everyone
I have never heard such BS against JD in my life. Get a grip. Half the people on this thread have NO idea what they are talking about. The sad thing is peple are believing them. Learn the facts and do your homework. I wonder how many of these people are even from Arizona. http://www.jdforsenate.com/
299 posted on 07/07/2010 2:31:32 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: AmishDude; Jim Robinson; rabscuttle385; AuntB; mkjessup; All

Thank you.

So, I can say anything I want to about you, with no proof whatsoever, like you are a homosexual, and like 6 year old boys
but I don’t have to offer any proof of this. As a result of this, you lose your job. Oh well, tough luck..... This is what you are telling me.

You are a TROLL


300 posted on 07/07/2010 2:34:43 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our Troops, and vote out the RINOS!)
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