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Governor Palin's Plan for Illegal Aliens (vanity)
07/09/2010 | sinanju

Posted on 07/09/2010 8:33:42 PM PDT by sinanju

My opinion of Sarah just took a dent. She was on Bill O'Reilly's show and he quizzed her about her opinion, in his overbearing fashion, on how to deal with the illegal alien problem.

I'm afraid it seemed instantly obvious that either she has not spent five minutes looking into the issue and talking to people who actually know something about the problem or she has and is keeping her real plans secret a la Chris Christie.

She did not bring up any specifics or actual ideas and plans and basically let Blowhard Bill lead her around by the nose for seven minutes. They then concluded with some meaningless cheery sentiments about the mama grizzlies and concluded. BOR moved on.

I realize she is busy building up chits playing kingmaker and tweeting and all that but I would like to at least see and hear some evidence that she is doing some serious policy formulation and (if she does run for prez) will have a battle plan on day one.

Appearing on Bill's show for barely enough time to smile and chirp for less than ten minutes is decidedly discouraging to people like myself, who desperately want to take her seriously.

"So you've closed the borders, now you have ten million people sitting here looking at you, what are you going to do about them?" "Make them register?"

"Well, I, uh.."

She should not have set herself up like that. Bill barely gave her enough time to recite the Pledge of Allegiance but she could have gotten her message across if she had had a message.

Not good.


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To: Tennessee Nana

Well that may be a fair point, I thought the interview was live but honestly wasn’t paying enough attention to know for sure. The point is that Sarah Palin has the right ideas about how to deal with illegal immigration, but in this interview at least, didn’t present them in the best way.

She ought to re-consider appearing on BOR in my opinion, as she’ll never be able to dominate him, and no matter what he says, he will always have “the last word”. If her contract with Fox News allows, I’d much rather see her doing a special program on topics like immigration than just providing eye candy to boost BOR’s ratings while being unable to present her ideas in a complete fashion.


51 posted on 07/09/2010 9:09:16 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Lakeshark

Everybody is talking about border security now - even John McCain but that does not mean that she is ahead of the curve. She seems to be behind the curve. I want her to articulate the importance of deportation by attrition. The only thing that will work will be the illegals leaving the country of their own volition because they cannot find work or welfare anymore. Tom Tancredo and other border warriors have talked about this for years. Sarah should sit down with Tancredo if she really wants credibility with people like myself who have been following the issue for years. The weak point now is what to do with 13-20 million illegals. There are two choices - it can be our problem or it can be their problem. Tom Tancredo believes it should be their problem. They created the problem, they should fix the problem for us by leaving. If we show any weakness we will be back in the same stew again.

The Reagan amnesty failed because the wrong doers were not punished. The illegal aliens themselves were not punished but were rewarded with the ability to stay here. The cheap labor busnesses who hired them were not punished and continued to encourage illegals in crossing the border and the la raza groups continued with their ethnic empowerment agenda. The political parties, especially the democrats would keep on playing their power games for their votes. If the illegals received another amnesty by any other name, the same factors would still be in place drawing the illegals across the border.


52 posted on 07/09/2010 9:10:47 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: One Name

Now that’s talking.


53 posted on 07/09/2010 9:13:35 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: cradle of freedom

Reagan never followed-up. Nobody did. It is rampant now. The illegals are creating massive problems due to a shadow existence and that is what they either prefer or have been forced to deal with. The Border must be contained, NOW!


54 posted on 07/09/2010 9:16:02 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Bigtigermike

BOR is an egotistical creep. I don’t know why Fox keeps him on. He is rude to his guests, and he obviously does not like Palin and kept interupting her.


55 posted on 07/09/2010 9:16:56 PM PDT by Merlinator (Take them all down...one czar at a time FUBO)
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To: One Name; cradle of freedom
Shutting down wire transfers pretty much seals it.

No puede enviar dinero!

Boycott every bank that enables the establishment of illegal aliens in this country so they can send money out of this country.

56 posted on 07/09/2010 9:17:26 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: donna

“NO AMNESTY!” -Sarah Palin on July 11, 2010


57 posted on 07/09/2010 9:18:07 PM PDT by redk
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To: sinanju

Uh ohhhhh.......You’ll smoke a turd in hell for this heresy...


58 posted on 07/09/2010 9:22:08 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: Merlinator

I didn’t see anything odd about his interview with Gov. Palin. She got her point across. He wanted a solution to all of it. She basically said the process would be handled in a step by step measure. Those that prefer the shadow will be deported.


59 posted on 07/09/2010 9:23:04 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Lakeshark

I am not saying that she said that but that is the objection that is always raised, that it is inhumane to send them back home. We are always hearing about families being separated yadayadayada. A lot of this high drama is just smoke and mirrors but the pro illegal propaganda machine has created a great myth about illegal immigration. We have to be tough and not fall for all of that tear jerking propaganda. Many people just buckle under this because they do not know how to handle this. They are made to feel guilty and they do not want to look mean. It takes a special person to know how to handle this type of situation.


60 posted on 07/09/2010 9:23:27 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: BAW

That’s kinda what I said on another thread. Everyone knows by now that BOOR is going to interupt and be obnoxious.

Therefore, it is best to have some very short concise points to make quickly, otherwise your position will not be heard nor understood.


61 posted on 07/09/2010 9:26:56 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: BAW

With BOR it’s impossible. I just saw the interview and he was condescending as hell. She couldn’t complete her thoughts because he would just jump in and try to repeat himself. His tone of voice was also insulting, to say the least. She handled it as best she could, without physically choking this pompous idiot.


62 posted on 07/09/2010 9:28:17 PM PDT by ABQHispConservative (November, here we come!)
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To: thecodont

It ain’t rocket science, is it?

How serious are we about maintaining our sovereignty?

This is the nation that rescued europe from 2 world wars and faced down the soviet union.

Piece of cake.


63 posted on 07/09/2010 9:39:22 PM PDT by One Name
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To: sinanju; onyx; Lakeshark
I think your biases are getting in the way of fair and clear thinking. True, BOR really didn't let her speak and kept on interrupting her.  Sarah should develop the skills to get her message across clearly and briefly in these types of forums, since that is a key to getting her message across.  She must work on that and not let the BOR's of the world run their mouths, suck up the air, and step on her speaking time.

Indeed, you note that you would like to see and hear some evidence that she is doing some serious policy formation, but clearly you haven't looked at her book where she does get into some serious policy formation.  Maybe you should have a stronger commitment to finding out how she thinks about various issues and policies, given that you desperately want to take her seriously. 

Just read her book - you don't even have to buy it, as it is available at a library near you.

OK, going to bed, I'm playing tennis tomorrow.

Nighty night, Onyx.

64 posted on 07/09/2010 9:41:14 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: TomServo

Not heresy....it’s flat out misleading (to be kind)

I watched it too....

SECURE THE BORDER.

WHATEVER IT TAKES.

STOP THE BLEEDING.

NO AMNESTY.

That’s a HELL of a lot better than anyone else is saying...

Palin/West 12’


65 posted on 07/09/2010 9:46:39 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: sinanju; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; rabscuttle385; mkjessup; AuntB; EveningStar; Man50D; ...
I saw BoR promo this segment, but I was busy at the time, I changed the channel and then missed it. I don't like BoR anyway.

I was figuring SP would take a safe position on this as in the past, no specifics. It's a issue that a specific position would get lots of people mad either way. Lots of Republicans like Bush/McCain supporters are for amnesty; Krauthammer and Kristol are for it too (Ann Coulter recently commented on Kristal LOL). 'Registration' is another code-word for amnesty. So I wouldnt be surprised if Palin was for amnesty. Personally I think amnesty would be a complete disaster as most of you do too.

On the positive side SP came out in support of Arizona immediately when other Republicans were still checking the wind direction and we knew it was right.

66 posted on 07/09/2010 9:52:20 PM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: cradle of freedom

Lest I be viewed as anti-hispanic- I am not. Where I live there is a rich Mexican heritage; people who have worked for the railroad and built patriotic neighborhoods/commmunities and been citizens for a hundred years. People with hispanic surnames many of whom don’t speak Spanish.

I only know a few words of Dutch.

Somewhere along the line we became Americans. We value the American system.


67 posted on 07/09/2010 9:55:27 PM PDT by One Name
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To: sinanju
"So you've closed the borders, now you have ten million people sitting here looking at you, what are you going to do about them?"

Eliminate their jobs and gov't handouts and tell them which way south is.

68 posted on 07/09/2010 9:56:54 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Crim
That’s a HELL of a lot better than anyone else is saying...

Sounds just like what her pal McCain is saying. At least until after the election.

69 posted on 07/09/2010 10:01:55 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: Maurice Tift
Attrition thru enforcement is the answer. Palin has never backed away from her pro-amnesty position as described in her Univision interview.
70 posted on 07/09/2010 10:02:55 PM PDT by kabar
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To: sickoflibs

From comment #18.

VAN SUSTEREN: Both parties have made promises. I mean, we pull up sound bites where, you know, both sides, you know, Democrat, Republicans, say, you know, Secure the border, secure the border. And then once in office, we certainly don’t see a whole lot of action. Had the election gone another way, or even if you were president, what would you do about immigration?
PALIN: The very first thing is literally secure the border!
VAN SUSTEREN: How?
PALIN: People mock the idea of a fence. What’s wrong with building a fence? Yes, let’s physically secure the border. Let’s ramp up border control. Let’s provide the tools for those who are putting their lives on the line in order to stop illegal immigration of these aliens. Those are a couple of things.
And then you don’t start talking about amnesty, either, kind of as this last-minute, Oh, anybody who’s here in the country right now, we’re going to provide you amnesty, and even though you’ve broken the law and we are a nation of laws, you’ve broken that, we’ll still give you — because then there’s going to be a huge influx of those wanting kind of at the last minute to come over the border because they know that they will forever then receive that amnesty.
So you don’t start talking about that, but the very first thing you do is physically, literally secure those borders. It baffles me and most Americans why for all these years presidents, administrations have spoken about it but never done it.


71 posted on 07/09/2010 10:06:03 PM PDT by Clyde5445 (Gov. Sarah Palin: :"You have to sacrifice to win. That's my philosophy in 6 words.")
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To: Bigtigermike
"interrupting her and SHE COULDN’T GET WORD WISE IN...."

I think you were trying to say, "she couldn't get a word IN EDGEWISE", right?

72 posted on 07/09/2010 10:07:05 PM PDT by jackibutterfly (Palin is so under obama's skin, he hears 'Hail to the Chief' when he sees her.)
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To: kabar

See comment #71. Nice try anyway.


73 posted on 07/09/2010 10:08:07 PM PDT by Clyde5445 (Gov. Sarah Palin: :"You have to sacrifice to win. That's my philosophy in 6 words.")
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To: Crim
It depends on what the meaning of amnesty is. In her famous Univision interview, Palin said the following:

As governor, how do you deal with them? Do you think they all should be deported?

Palin: There is no way that in the US we would roundup every illegal immigrant -there are about 12 million of the illegal immigrants- not only economically is that just an impossibility but that's not a humane way anyway to deal with the issue that we face with illegal immigration.

Do you then favor an amnesty for the 12 or 13 million undocumented immigrants?

Palin: No, I do not. I do not. Not total amnesty. You know, people have got to follow the rules. They've got to follow the bar, and we have got to make sure that there is equal opportunity and those who are here legally should be first in line for services being provided and those opportunities that this great country provides.

To clarify, so you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?

Palin: I do because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here. It is so important that yes, people follow the rules so that people can be treated equally and fairly in this country.

74 posted on 07/09/2010 10:09:48 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Lakeshark; onyx; DTogo; SeekAndFind; redk

McCain is for amnesty and so is Palin.

“I support his [McCain] position on immigration.” - Sarah Palin, Mar. 27, 2010


75 posted on 07/09/2010 10:12:47 PM PDT by donna (Sarah Palin: ...all of us, who consider ourselves progressive..)
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To: Clyde5445

Where does Palin say that she is against allowing the 12 to 20 million illegals from staying and working here, i.e., an amnesty? She says nothing about deporting them or attrition thru enforcement. She has been playing word games with this issue. And the clearest indication of what she favors is still the Univision interview. She has never backed away from it.


76 posted on 07/09/2010 10:13:26 PM PDT by kabar
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To: sinanju
O’Reilly seems to have a real problem with Sarah Palin. Perhaps he fears she will become the #1 star at FNC, which his ego cannot handle.

Obviously, he had an ambush set up tonight.

First, he gives her a difficult question and keeps interrupting her in mid-sentence.

Then he has two women he knows will trash her - a liberal and Dana Pirino from the RINO (Bush-Romney) wing of the GOP.

77 posted on 07/09/2010 10:19:36 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: kabar

“She says nothing about deporting”

She did tonite. She said deport them.

Watch the BOR interview.


78 posted on 07/09/2010 10:25:33 PM PDT by Clyde5445 (Gov. Sarah Palin: :"You have to sacrifice to win. That's my philosophy in 6 words.")
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To: kabar

spare me the tripe...I read that interview too...

Do you then favor an amnesty for the 12 or 13 million undocumented immigrants?

Palin: No, I do not.


79 posted on 07/09/2010 10:26:17 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: donna
“I support his [McCain] position on immigration.” - Sarah Palin, Mar. 27, 2010

McCain's 2010 position on immigration is not what his 2007 policy was (probably because he is seeking reelection, probably partially because things have gotten so much worse in the past three years). He currently says deportations may be necessary.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/107245-mccain-favors-immigration-reform-that-would-deport-many-illegals

80 posted on 07/09/2010 10:28:06 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: Clyde5445; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; rabscuttle385; mkjessup; AuntB
RE :”PALIN: ...And then you don’t start talking about amnesty, either, kind of as this last-minute, Oh, anybody who’s here in the country right now, we’re going to provide you amnesty, and even though you’ve broken the law and we are a nation of laws, you’ve broken that, we’ll still give you — because then there’s going to be a huge influx of those wanting kind of at the last minute to come over the border because they know that they will forever then receive that amnesty.So you don’t start talking about that, but the very first thing you do is physically, literally secure those borders.

I saw this (her) clip on FNC when it was originally aired. I listened closely and what she said was “You don't talk about amnesty now because it will just make the problem worse”. What she never said was “We can never grant amnesty because...” . Given her position (with McCain) in 2008 for amnesty, and her support of McCain now and Republican history, conservatives have a duty to be very skeptical of careful wordage coming from her.

But as I said : Sarah Palin was 100% supportive of Arizona law and Brewer from the beginning and deserves credit for it.

81 posted on 07/09/2010 10:28:40 PM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: donna

See comment # 71 or are you lacking in reading comprehention.

It’s all right there.


82 posted on 07/09/2010 10:30:20 PM PDT by Clyde5445 (Gov. Sarah Palin: :"You have to sacrifice to win. That's my philosophy in 6 words.")
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To: bwc2221
First, he gives her a difficult question and keeps interrupting her in mid-sentence.

Ahh lets see here.....!

First he asked a question that has no one word answer then he talks over his guest be it he or she.....so what's new?

He then brings on a weak defender and a basher and lets them go at it for five minutes until he acts like he is regaining control, talks over them and shuts everyone up while he closes out the segment and advertises the next one.

This has been his shtick for some 11 years, and he honed it when he hosted that Magazine show on ABC.

I saw nothing tonight that was unusual, and Sarah did as well as most but could have been better prepped if she plans to do any more of this.

83 posted on 07/09/2010 10:30:20 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Mojave

You can play the BS games all you want....

Palin is it pal....that’s all we got...anyone else is a sure loser...I dont care who you trot out...

Palin is the ONLY reason I even voted in 08’

“Obama pals around with terrorists” Palin


84 posted on 07/09/2010 10:33:09 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Crim
Palin: No, I do not.

Palin: No, I do not. I do not. Not total amnesty.

Funny how that last euphemistic evasion always disappears from the quote.

85 posted on 07/09/2010 10:34:25 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: Crim
Palin is it pal....that’s all we got...

Hip boots time.

86 posted on 07/09/2010 10:36:33 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: donna

“obama pals around with terrorists”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJLYlb7K4l8

And you’ve already been corrected...mccains position on the date you cite is NO AMNESTY.

That dog wont hunt lady...


87 posted on 07/09/2010 10:37:42 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Lakeshark
"Your characterization of the interview isn't very good."

You are being kind.

88 posted on 07/09/2010 10:38:10 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: donna
McCain is for amnesty and so is Palin.

No, they're just for a McPath to citizenship.

89 posted on 07/09/2010 10:38:32 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: Crim
mccains position on the date you cite is NO AMNESTY.

On the date? Now that's pathetic.

90 posted on 07/09/2010 10:40:12 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: Mojave

Ok...enlighten me...who would you support who is actually going to run?

Stop throwing poop and put up a name...


91 posted on 07/09/2010 10:41:47 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: BAW
Hope you don't get flamed. I'm happy with Sarah the way she is, but if others perceive what you do I'm sure she'll address that.
92 posted on 07/09/2010 10:42:24 PM PDT by free me (Sarah Palin 2012? You Betcha!)
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To: Crim
who would you support who is actually going to run?

Who's on the primary ballot so far?

93 posted on 07/09/2010 10:43:46 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: Mojave

“mccains position on the date you cite is NO AMNESTY.

On the date? Now that’s pathetic.”

No ..it’s called a fact...

See post #80.

Tell us who you would support that will actually go for it...

You arent shy about who you dont want...who DO you want?


94 posted on 07/09/2010 10:44:26 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Crim
No ..it’s called a fact...

That his positions shift with the wind. You shot yourself in the foot. And that's pathetic.

95 posted on 07/09/2010 10:46:14 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: Mojave

“Who’s on the primary ballot so far?”

Ah I see...you got nothing....


96 posted on 07/09/2010 10:46:19 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Crim
you got nothing...

You got Mr. and Mrs. McRINO.

97 posted on 07/09/2010 10:47:54 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: sinanju
Stop worrying about Palin. She is going nowhere up.
98 posted on 07/09/2010 10:48:31 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops)
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To: Mojave

Dance dance dance....

Talk about pathetic.....you cant even back anyone until they make the primary...

So if Palin gets in the race...and wins the nom...you will stay home?

The fact is...on the date she keeps throwing up “May 27 2010”...Mclame is against amnesty...a position which palin supports...

If you are going to take useless potshots...you can at least be honest about it...


99 posted on 07/09/2010 10:49:38 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Crim

As I said, there are probably several reasons McCain has changed his stance on amnesty:

1. His reelection (obviously)
2. Greater nationwide opposition
3. Perhaps seeing how the situation has deteriorated in Arizona in the past three years (Mexican Mafia, murders, kidnappings, etc.) have had an effect


100 posted on 07/09/2010 10:49:47 PM PDT by bwc2221
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