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Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'
The Washington Times ^ | July 11, 2010 | Rowan Scarborough

Posted on 07/11/2010 7:15:28 PM PDT by jazusamo

The White House's official policy of banning the word "Islam" in describing America's terrorist enemies is in direct conflict with the U.S. military's war-fighting doctrine now guiding commanders in Iraq and Afghanistan.

John O. Brennan, President Obama's chief national security adviser for counterterrorism, delivered a major policy address on defining the enemy. He laid out the White House policy of detaching any reference to Islam when referring to terrorists, be it al Qaeda, the Taliban or any other group.

But Army Gen. David H. Petraeus, the man tapped by Mr. Obama as the new top commander in Afghanistan, led the production of an extensive counterinsurgency manual in December 2006 that does, in fact, tell commanders of a link between Islam and extremists.

The Petraeus doctrine refers to "Islamic insurgents," "Islamic extremists" and "Islamic subversives." It details ties between Muslim support groups and terrorists. His co-author was Gen. James F. Amos, whom Mr. Obama has picked as the next Marine Corps commandant and Joint Chiefs of Staff member.

Mr. Brennan on May 26 told an audience at the Center for Strategic and International Studies that "describing our enemy in religious terms would lend credence to the lie propagated by al Qaeda and its affiliates to justify terrorism, that the United States is somehow at war against Islam. The reality, of course, is that we have never been and will never be at war with Islam. After all, Islam, like so many faiths, is part of America."

In a speech that also severed the Obama administration from President George W. Bush's "war on terror," Mr. Brennan also said: "The president's strategy is absolutely clear about the threat we face. Our enemy is not terrorism because terrorism is but a tactic. Our enemy is not terror because terror is a state of mind...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; brennan; exremistislamism; obama; petraeus; radicalislam; taliban; wot
Call it what it is, extremist Islamism or radical Islam, Brennan and his boss are jerks.
1 posted on 07/11/2010 7:15:31 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

Bump.....


2 posted on 07/11/2010 7:18:39 PM PDT by Buddy B (MSgt Retired-USAF - Year: 1972)
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To: jazusamo
Well, too bad Zero.....you can't politically sh*tcan another of your generals; wouldn't go over well - even Adolph Axelrod realizes this.

You're in for the duration, pussy.

3 posted on 07/11/2010 7:19:11 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: jazusamo

Jerks? No sir, they are traitorous enemies inside the castle.


4 posted on 07/11/2010 7:20:45 PM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw

Yep, you’re right, they’re that first.


5 posted on 07/11/2010 7:21:58 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: ErnBatavia
"Well, too bad Zero.....you can't politically sh*tcan another of your generals; wouldn't go over well - even Adolph Axelrod realizes this."

Why not? Couldn't Biden take over? /s!!!!

6 posted on 07/11/2010 7:26:03 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: ErnBatavia

0 blade


7 posted on 07/11/2010 7:29:33 PM PDT by FrankR ( If we don't stand up to tyranny, the tyrants win, and we're enslaved.)
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To: jazusamo

You know I have been skeptical of the Obama-Kenyan-Muslim theory for some time now. But Geez Zero makes it a point to prove me wrong.


8 posted on 07/11/2010 7:31:01 PM PDT by hatfieldmccoy (The Obama beat down of America continues)
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To: jazusamo

Extreme or radical Islam are Western imaginations of their own creation. Muslims do not use the terms. The term they use is Jihad, which encompasses any and all activity aimed toward the establishment of Sharia law and culture on every bit of land on the planet, period. Muslims do not use the term “moderate” Islam...again that is a Western creation, and very dangerous.

Imagining a 1400 year old political system of subservience, slavery, and supremacist politics and culture as something else will prove fatal to Western civilization.

Islam has infiltrated the US at each and every level and we do not yet see the danger, having completely self-deluded ourselves.

Perhaps General Petraeus recognizes this. The State Dept., the DHS, the Pentagon, the military academies, do not.

Muslims must be laughing each time they circle that black rock.

The goals of the Wahabbist based Muslim Brotherhood, founders of CAIR and HAMAS are clear:

http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/2671

The Shiite theocracy of Persian Islam, Iran, expresses the goals of its Ayatollah and Grand Council through the third in line of ranking, Ahmahdinejad. He too is clear. The West should take them all literally instead of imagining them capable of Western thought and ideology....no such capability exists.


9 posted on 07/11/2010 7:32:04 PM PDT by givemELL (Does Taiwan eet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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To: jazusamo

If the Obamistas tell you there are no Islamofascists, then you’d best believe there are a lot of them ~ some in the White House itself.


10 posted on 07/11/2010 7:32:45 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: jazusamo

It’s really like a cancer, a cancer associated with gas gangrene. No matter what we do now to fix our body politic we are going to lose a lot of tissue and stuff.


11 posted on 07/11/2010 7:33:38 PM PDT by bvw
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To: givemELL
It's not possible for Moslems to think in Western terms.

Here's a piece of history they should look back on and wonder what happened ~ Spain ~ they got kicked out. Sicily ~ they got kicked out. Greece ~ they got kicked out. Serbia ~ they got kicked out. Bulgaria ~ they got kicked out. Kazan ~ they got kicked out.

For another reminder some of the places Islamicists got kicked out of they also got "exterminated from" ~ and that part's not over yet.

It's entirely possible they can come up with some variation on a theme that preserves some of their culture, but ultimately they get kicked out and exterminated from everywhere.

Westerners may be slow to rise to the occasion, but in the end they are very destructive and thorough ~ like in Kazan

12 posted on 07/11/2010 7:42:25 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: jazusamo

brennan is an idiot. It is not al quds, but Jerusalem. Before King David conguered it 3000 years ago, it was Jebus and Salim...it was never al quds until the muslim pukes got a hold on it in the 800’s.


13 posted on 07/11/2010 7:45:30 PM PDT by richardtavor
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To: jazusamo

There is no such thing as radical or extreme Islam...Islam is Islam....a cult that follows a murderer and child molester....

There may be some moderate and peaceful Muslims, but Islam is no more a religion that communism..

Obama and this phony administration can bark up a tree....

I can see where this war is going to go...Yes, it has turned into Obama’s war...and yes, after listening to this...I’d say our chance of success is going out thewindow.


14 posted on 07/11/2010 7:47:00 PM PDT by nikos1121 (Praying for minus 24 today....at least minus 23...)
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To: jazusamo

After all, Islam, like so many faiths, is part of America.”

Bullsh*t....AS of today, I am against this war....There is no way, no way we win a war when the commander and chief can’t tell who the enemy is.

We are at war with Islam....Is it thathard to understand....?


15 posted on 07/11/2010 7:49:31 PM PDT by nikos1121 (Praying for minus 24 today....at least minus 23...)
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To: jazusamo

Will the military stand with the People and the Constitution....or with the Government?


16 posted on 07/11/2010 7:53:00 PM PDT by stboz
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To: jazusamo
"The president's strategy is absolutely clear about the threat we face. Our enemy is not terrorism because terrorism is but a tactic. Our enemy is not terror because terror is a state of mind...

If the Presidents strategy is absolutely clear, please let the rest of the American people know what it is.

17 posted on 07/11/2010 7:56:29 PM PDT by OCC
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To: nikos1121

Zer0 won’t call it like it is because he’s either one of them or sympathetic to them, when he was elected it was a sad day for the country.


18 posted on 07/11/2010 8:09:22 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: stboz

Hopefully the former because all in all the vast majority love the country.


19 posted on 07/11/2010 8:14:42 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping


20 posted on 07/11/2010 8:16:08 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: nikos1121
Islam is not a religion,
It is a ideology based on world domination masquerading as a religion.
No other religion requires total submission or death.
Islam does.!
Islam by very definition is “Terrorism"
21 posted on 07/11/2010 8:16:27 PM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: jazusamo
Casualties
22 posted on 07/11/2010 8:22:44 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: jazusamo
"The reality, of course, is that we have never been and will never be at war with Islam."

Got news for you Mr. Brennan, Islam is very much at war with America!

23 posted on 07/11/2010 8:23:28 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: jazusamo

24 posted on 07/11/2010 8:47:46 PM PDT by garjog
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To: BenLurkin; jazusamo

“The reality, of course, is that we have never been and will never be at war with Islam.”

Have you ever wondered who first uttered the phrase “You Gotta Be Shittin Me?”

Well, it just so happens to have originated through the Father of Our Country, way back when George Washington was crossing the Delaware River with his troops.

There were 33 (remember this number) in Washington ’s boat. It was extremely dark and storming furiously and the water was tossing them About.

Finally, Washington grabbed Corporal Peters (remember this name) and stationed him at the front of the boat with a lantern. He ordered him to keep swinging it, so they could see where they were heading.

Corporal Peters, through driving rain and cold, continued swinging the lantern back and forth, back and forth.

Then a big gust of wind and a wave hit and threw Corporal Peters and his lantern into the Delaware . Washington and his troops searched for nearly an hour trying to find Corporal Peters, but to no avail. All of them felt terrible, for the Corporal had been one of their favorites.

Sometime later, Washington and his troops landed on the other side, wet and totally exhausted. He rallied the troops and told them that they must go on.

Another hour later, one of his men said, ‘General, I see lights ahead.’

They trudged toward the lights and came upon a huge house.

What they didn’t know was that this was a house of ill repute, hidden in the forest to serve all who came.

General Washington pounded on the door, his men crowding around him.

The door swung open, and much to his surprise stood a beautiful woman.

A huge smile came across her face, to see so many men standing there.

Washington was the first to speak, ‘Madam, I am General George Washington and these are my men. We are tired, wet, exhausted, and desperately need warmth and comfort.’

Again, the Madam looked at all the men standing there, and with a broad smile on her face, said, ‘Well, General, you have come to the right place. We can surely give you warmth and comfort. How many men do you have?’

Washington replied, ‘Well, Madam, there are 32 of us without Peters.’

And the Madam said, ‘You gotta be shittin me!’


25 posted on 07/11/2010 8:55:32 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: jazusamo
lie propagated by al Qaeda and its affiliates to justify terrorism, that the United States is somehow at war against Islam. The reality, of course, is that we have never been and will never be at war with Islam.

Too late Brennan, the islamic muzzies are at war with us.

There is no voice that speaks for moderate islam, because the entire religion is a satanic death cult that should be outlawed.

There will be peace when we westernize these creepy bastards and get them drinking beer, eating barbecue, and whooping it up with Hooters girls, or we kill every last one of them, either way will work.

26 posted on 07/11/2010 8:57:17 PM PDT by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: ErnBatavia

Well said. Made me laugh.


27 posted on 07/11/2010 9:30:35 PM PDT by my small voice (A biased media and an uneducated public is the biggest threat to our democracy)
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To: jazusamo

These people would have twisted themselves into pretzels in WWII.


28 posted on 07/11/2010 9:59:36 PM PDT by Keith (We live in an America of National Socialism...sound familiar? It should...)
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To: nikos1121

No, 0bama knows who the enemy is. OUR generals and military.
He is trying to help the ISLAMIC Terrorists defeat us at any and every turn.
He is even using our tax dollars to bring them here.


29 posted on 07/11/2010 10:16:03 PM PDT by coincheck (Vote 'em all out!!)
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To: jazusamo

No matter how you sugarcoat Islam, it’s still the same old poison it has always been, and people who are charged with fighting Islam’s evil deeds know the terrorism they are fighting is Islamic.


30 posted on 07/11/2010 10:17:32 PM PDT by pallis
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To: muawiyah

The Christian lands that once “kicked out” the Muslims are no longer Christian. And they aren’t doing any kicking.


31 posted on 07/11/2010 11:39:45 PM PDT by karnage (Obama is nothing more than a soundbite-emitting hologram)
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To: ErnBatavia

Well, too bad Zero.....you can’t politically sh*tcan another of your generals; wouldn’t go over well - even Adolph Axelrod realizes this.

Petraeus knows this too and is taking advantage of it. It’s sort of like “in your face stupid.”


32 posted on 07/12/2010 3:44:29 AM PDT by chainsaw ( 'You know that your landing gear is up and locked when it takes full power to taxi to the terminal)
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To: nikos1121

“There is no way, no way we win a war when the commander and chief can’t tell who the enemy is.”.

He knows who Americas’ enemy is. That’s why he’s having such a hard time. He is siding with the terrorists.


33 posted on 07/12/2010 5:51:24 AM PDT by freebird5850 (Obama golfed while the Gulf gushed.)
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To: freebird5850

Well, what’s going to happen today? What new revelation about this president of the people? CAn’t wait to find out.


34 posted on 07/12/2010 6:10:15 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Praying for minus 24 today....at least minus 23...)
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To: ErnBatavia

Well, too bad Zero.....you can’t politically sh*tcan another of your generals; wouldn’t go over well - even Adolph Axelrod realizes this.

Worth repeating.^

Zero is stuck and Petraeus knows it. That’s what happens when you have a know nothing community organizer running the show.


35 posted on 07/13/2010 12:33:51 PM PDT by chainsaw ( 'You know that your landing gear is up and locked when it takes full power to taxi to the terminal)
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