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BP Oil Spill: Clean-Up Crews Can't Find Crude in the Gulf
ABC ^ | July 26, 2010 | BRADLEY BLACKBURN

Posted on 07/26/2010 5:01:14 PM PDT by PilotDave

The numbers don't lie: two weeks ago, skimmers picked up about 25,000 barrels of oily water. Last Thursday, they gathered just 200 barrels.

Still, it doesn't mean that all the oil that gushed for weeks is gone. Thousands of small oil patches remain below the surface, but experts say an astonishing amount has disappeared, reabsorbed into the environment.

"[It's] mother nature doing her job," said Ed Overton, a professor of environmental studies at Louisiana State University.

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An oil spill in the gulf of Mexico over the summertime doesn't stand much of a chance. 90 degree surface water, 100' sun is much different than Prince William sound. Poof, evaporation happens fast. BTW- I call BS on this oil below the surface crap. Until somebody can fully explain how oil, which is lighter than water, and therefore will float ontop the water, can remain under the water, I'm calling BS as in MSM lies!
1 posted on 07/26/2010 5:01:17 PM PDT by PilotDave
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To: PilotDave
“which is lighter than water, and therefore will float ontop the water, can remain under the water”

Dispersant's sprayed on it would be the answer. The idea is that the dispersant's basically just made the oil sink; out of sight, out of mind.

I do not that this is for sure the case; but that has been widely speculated.

2 posted on 07/26/2010 5:04:05 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I aspire to a large carbon footprint; just like Al Gore's)
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To: PilotDave

” “[It’s] mother nature doing her job,” said Ed Overton, a professor of environmental studies “

No, no, NO!!!

“Mother Nature is the helpless victim of man’s (specifically anglo-saxon American man’s) depredations!!”

(And this guy claims to be a ‘perfesser uv unvironMENTAL steddys... Sheeesh!!)

/really laying it on thick sarc...


3 posted on 07/26/2010 5:07:30 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: PilotDave

Have/had BP been deploying air observers to direct the skimming crews, or were they on their own to find the oil slicks?


4 posted on 07/26/2010 5:10:16 PM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: PilotDave

Backs up what Rush was saying. Now if Obama had put the skimmers to work right away most of this drama would not have occurred.


5 posted on 07/26/2010 5:11:41 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Deaf Smith

Dozens of planes launch everyday to map the spill. One of my friends is doing it now.


6 posted on 07/26/2010 5:13:12 PM PDT by PilotDave (No, really, you just can't make this stuff up!!!)
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To: PilotDave

The dispersents were applied below the surface at the site of the leak. That is why much of the oil is underwater and scattered around the entire gulf. I certainly don’t trust the O Tribe Media to be telling us the truth now either. Remember...their number ONE PRIORITY IS PROTECTING OBAMA AND THE PROGRESSIVES. They don’t care if our Gulf is poisoned or not right now....it’s all about Obama...all the time.


7 posted on 07/26/2010 5:16:38 PM PDT by penelopesire (FOX NEWS TRIBAL PRINCESS)
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To: PilotDave

Is mapping the spill for real time use? Is there a direct communication to skimmers from forward air observers?


8 posted on 07/26/2010 5:19:04 PM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: PilotDave

Carvile, Matalin, CNN and Obama have been paid off. Now it will be the ‘Saving of yhe Gulf’. HAHAH.


9 posted on 07/26/2010 5:23:25 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (m)
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To: Deaf Smith

The way I understand it is they fly all afternoon, mostly in twin engine piston planes at about 12,000’. They photo map the gulf, land and process the data overnight and present it to the command center for the daily early morning brief where they come up with the daily skimmer/dispersant plan. Then they do it all over again the next day....


10 posted on 07/26/2010 5:23:25 PM PDT by PilotDave (No, really, you just can't make this stuff up!!!)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
Dispersant's don't magically make oil heavier than water.

Dispersant's destroy surface tension and break the oil up into smaller droplets, allowing the sun, oxygen, and oil eating microcritters to break it down faster.

11 posted on 07/26/2010 5:24:03 PM PDT by Species8472
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To: PilotDave

“[It’s] mother nature doing her job,” said Ed Overton, a recently escaped and mentally imbalanced patient from Louisiana State University.

What a bunch of psycho babble. Really means - “Don’t ask me, I don’t have a friggin clue”.


12 posted on 07/26/2010 5:24:37 PM PDT by Frenchtown Dan
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To: PilotDave

Yes, but think of all the jobs we’ve created by making BP hire these guys to look for oil that isn’t there?


13 posted on 07/26/2010 5:25:58 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

I think the term is “windfall” :o)


14 posted on 07/26/2010 5:28:47 PM PDT by PilotDave (No, really, you just can't make this stuff up!!!)
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To: PilotDave
And they found that the slicks weren't where they were 18 hours prior?

Had the use of real time FAO's ever been suggested?

15 posted on 07/26/2010 5:29:21 PM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: PilotDave
"[It's] mother nature doing her job," said Ed Overton, a professor of environmental studies at Louisiana State University.

I was going to say the same thing. During WW2 ships were sunk all up and down the eastern seaboard and all over the Pacific. Oil was washed up on beaches all over the place. My mother said she saw this in eastern Virginia and North Carolina during the early days of WW2. But eventually it just seemed to go away as mother nature took care of the problem. My understanding (and I'm far from an expert) is that oil seeps up all the time naturally from the cracks and crevasses in the earth. This is a natural process and mother nature takes care of the problem. Surfers in Santa Barbara have known this for a very long time.

My gut instinct tells me that this isn't as much of a disaster as the news media has told us. I'm hoping this is the case. But you just know if the environmentalists can detect oil even in parts per billion they will make a big deal of it and you can depend on the MSM showing it over and over and over.
16 posted on 07/26/2010 5:30:06 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: PilotDave

Where are the schools of dead fish? They even tested the shrimp and found them perfectly fine. Looks like God made a perfect system.

Pray for America


17 posted on 07/26/2010 5:30:13 PM PDT by bray (Did Rush say Absolute Failure?)
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To: Frenchtown Dan

This is such a joke! Oil degrades in saltwater in about 22 days depending on the salization quotient. The crime here now that the well is not leaking is the insanity of plugging it,This is the largest well on the nort American contenent.Whynot produce it to benifit our country??What is the rationalefor detroying it now. We need the damned OIL!!


18 posted on 07/26/2010 5:39:21 PM PDT by millerpoger
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To: HereInTheHeartland
... dispersants made the oil sink, ... out of sight out of mind. ...

Be careful my friend, you are very close to following the environmental Pied Piper's tune dancing right over the edge. Not all the way, but CLOSE.

The dispersants "disperse" the oil into the water, increasing it's surface area by millions so the oleophilic bacteria can go after the oil (a process that has happened since BEFORE man walked on the pristine beaches!).

The whole story is at The Patriot's Flag - Dispersants and the Piper where I laid out the technology for anyone to be able to follow.

And I was RIGHT ... and I'm muttering "I told you so" under my breath. All the dispersants do is "nudge" Mother Nature into doing HER job better ... but SHE HAS ALWAYS DONE THE JOB ... oil leaks into the worlds oceans every day ... and the reason we still have beaches are the oleophilics.

19 posted on 07/26/2010 5:39:47 PM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (http://www.thepatriotsflag.com - The Patriot's Flag)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Ping


20 posted on 07/26/2010 5:39:59 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: PilotDave

We should all be grateful to our president for waving his hand and accomplishing this miraculous feat!


21 posted on 07/26/2010 5:40:37 PM PDT by ObamaBoogaBooga.com
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To: Species8472

Hey no big deal but there is no apostrophe in “dispersants”.


22 posted on 07/26/2010 5:44:26 PM PDT by OKSooner ("Don't let making a living prevent you from making a life." - Coach John Wooden)
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To: Species8472

Well that’s good if that’s the case. It seemed with the hot summer temps down there that this would be no Exxon Valdez.

There has been a lot of misinformation even here on FR about this issue.


23 posted on 07/26/2010 5:46:28 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I aspire to a large carbon footprint; just like Al Gore's)
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To: millerpoger

logic has long departed


24 posted on 07/26/2010 5:48:36 PM PDT by Flavius
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To: OKSooner
My bad - FR spell check made me do it!
25 posted on 07/26/2010 5:48:58 PM PDT by Species8472
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To: truthguy
you can depend on the MSM showing it over and over...

We can now refer to it as the Swine Crude disaster

26 posted on 07/26/2010 5:49:23 PM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the world safe for Marxism)
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To: PilotDave

The dispersants must have done their job.........


27 posted on 07/26/2010 5:51:09 PM PDT by deport
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To: HereInTheHeartland

That dispersant in the oil causing it to sink has to be as big a scam as global warming! Show me one instant in the oil spewing videos where the dispersant is sinking on its own? Nowhere. Dispersant BS story to the max.


28 posted on 07/26/2010 5:57:38 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Where is our military?)
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To: PilotDave

So, we’re not all gonna die?


29 posted on 07/26/2010 5:59:00 PM PDT by kenth
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Dispersants can act like a surfactant and break up large clumps of oil into smaller droplets. It would still float though.


30 posted on 07/26/2010 6:02:27 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: millerpoger

This was posted on an earlier thread and was from TOD, today.

******************************EXCERPT****************************************

Interesting series of posts at ZeroHedge, dated today.

I am on scene on one of the largest oceanographic research vessels working in the GOM. I am not being paid by NOAA or BP. This is a factual statement: Beyond 20 NM from the wellhead we have not detected subsurface oil at any depth in concentrations above 20PPM, beyond 40NM we have not detected any oil above 2PPM that was associated with Deepwater Horizon. We have seen the usual seep concentrations around Vioska Knoll, Green Canyon, etc.

Just wanted to add that out of tens of thousands of samples, the positive hits are coming from extremely limited areas “Plumes” which are measured in tens and perhaps hundreds of meters, not in miles. I have access to all of the raw and preliminary data coming in from 8 of the vessels sampling for the SMU (Subsurface Monitoring Unit)


31 posted on 07/26/2010 6:05:51 PM PDT by dusttoyou (Remember come November)
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To: PilotDave
Well, I guess that they can turn off the crisis. They got what they wanted.

* Shut down oil production permanently
* Made sleazy deals to continue oil production elsewhere
* Made large numbers of people completely dependent on government aid
* Lined the pockets of their friends
* Get paid back with billions in campaign donations
* Destroyed all of BP's competition

32 posted on 07/26/2010 6:07:55 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: US_MilitaryRules

“as big a scam as global warming!”

Don’t be so sure global warming is a scam. Where I live it was 88 degrees today.
Only 6 months ago it was in the teens and we had snow.


33 posted on 07/26/2010 6:22:22 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I aspire to a large carbon footprint; just like Al Gore's)
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To: OKSooner

If the sentence was “The dispersant’s properties cause...” then it would have an apostrophe (possessive) I believe.

[wind]
[clop clop clop]
King Arthur: Whoa there!
[clop clop clop]
Soldier #1: Halt! Who goes there?
Arthur: It is I, Arthur, son of Uther Pendragon, from the castle of Camelot. King of the Britons, defeater of the Saxons, Sovereign of all England!
Soldier #1: Pull the other one!
Arthur: I am, ...and this is my trusty servant Patsy. We have ridden the length and breadth of the land in search of knights who will join me in my court at Camelot. I must speak with your lord and master.
Soldier #1: What? Ridden on a horse?
Arthur: Yes!
Soldier #1: You’re using coconuts!
Arthur: What?
Soldier #1: You’ve got two empty halves of coconut and you’re bangin’ ‘em together.
Arthur: So? We have ridden since the snows of winter covered this land, through the kingdom of Mercia, through—
Soldier #1: Where’d you get the coconuts?
Arthur: We found them.
Soldier #1: Found them? In Mercia? The coconut’s tropical!
Arthur: What do you mean?
Soldier #1: Well, this is a temperate zone.
Arthur: The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our land?
Soldier #1: Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Arthur: Not at all. They could be carried.
Soldier #1: What? A swallow carrying a coconut?
Arthur: It could grip it by the husk!
Soldier #1: It’s not a question of where he grips it! It’s a simple question of weight ratios! A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut.
Arthur: Well, it doesn’t matter. Will you go and tell your master that Arthur from the Court of Camelot is here?
Soldier #1: Listen. In order to maintain air-speed velocity, a swallow needs to beat its wings forty-three times every second, right?
Arthur: Please!
Soldier #1: Am I right?
Arthur: I’m not interested!
Soldier #2: It could be carried by an African swallow!
Soldier #1: Oh, yeah, an African swallow maybe, but not a European swallow. That’s my point.
Soldier #2: Oh, yeah, I agree with that.
Arthur: Will you ask your master if he wants to join my court at Camelot?!
Soldier #1: But then of course a— African swallows are non-migratory.
Soldier #2: Oh, yeah...
Soldier #1: So, they couldn’t bring a coconut back anyway...
[clop clop clop]
Soldier #2: Wait a minute! Supposing two swallows carried it together?
Soldier #1: No, they’d have to have it on a line.
Soldier #2: Well, simple! They’d just use a strand of creeper!
Soldier #1: What, held under the dorsal guiding feathers?
Soldier #2: Well, why not?


34 posted on 07/26/2010 6:22:34 PM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: millerpoger

The well is damaged and cannot be repaired. They will cement it shut and then drill other production wells into the same reservoir. Don’t worry, we will get that oil. Unless, of course, Obama continues on his destroy American tack. But what are the chances of THAT happening?


35 posted on 07/26/2010 6:23:39 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: PilotDave; OKSooner

Mea Culpa. I just couldn’t resist it...


36 posted on 07/26/2010 6:23:59 PM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: kenth
So, we’re not all gonna die?

Oh no. You're already dead. You just don't know it yet.

BTW, your Democrat absentee ballot is in the mail.

37 posted on 07/26/2010 6:25:10 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (It's easy being a communist when you're rich. Just ask Barry.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

By the time it settles on the bottom, tar balls are the result. They also occur down here naturally... but not to this extent. The marshes are where the damage is... they never talk about that or show the wildlife covered in this tar substance.

LLS


38 posted on 07/26/2010 6:26:45 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( WOLVERINES!)
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To: Frenchtown Dan

You sound almost, dare I say, liberal with your castigation of a Reaganest outlook to the crisis. Where’s the sense of balance? The resistance to the facts on the ground. It’s almost liberal in it’s misplaced hysteria.

This just in, the spill did happen at the perfect time in the temperature loop and yes it did burn off and no it doesn’t sink, dispersed or not. Dispersant simply dispersed the oil and it was evaporated out that much quicker. The oil that came out of that particular find is of the highest quality, light sweet crude, full of methane. It would burn magnificently under a cruel Gulf sun. If what you are seeing wash up is a tar ball, guess what, the worst has passed. Tar is the inert leftovers of a volatile brew of crude. It’s the burnt charcoal briquet in the grill.


39 posted on 07/26/2010 6:31:08 PM PDT by kinghorse
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To: truthguy

40 posted on 07/26/2010 6:38:35 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (Sarah Palin "the Thrilla from Wasilla")
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To: US_MilitaryRules
Show me one instant in the oil spewing videos where the dispersant is sinking on its own?

You really think a camera a mile underwater, in pitch black conditions, with artificial lighting, narrowly focused on a single point where oil is being forced upward would show such a thing?

41 posted on 07/26/2010 6:48:59 PM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: PilotDave

That’s what that “dispersant” is supposed to do- make the oil clump up and float a little below the surface for a more aesthetic oil disaster.


42 posted on 07/26/2010 6:49:05 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: PilotDave

Well....then....there is no reason for any offshore drilling moratorium. No big deal, no problem. That’s simple enough. Then why is Obama still trying to stop the drilling?


43 posted on 07/26/2010 7:05:42 PM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: PilotDave

The oceans have been eating oil since there’s been oil and oceans.


44 posted on 07/26/2010 7:10:41 PM PDT by revo evom
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To: revo evom

You have really warm water and a hot sun this time of year


45 posted on 07/26/2010 7:18:54 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: millerpoger

As if the Feds have any interest in making lemonade out of lemons. You are absolutely right. This well should be exploited to the max. A virtual mother lode.


46 posted on 07/26/2010 7:22:10 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Hojczyk
You have really warm water and a hot sun this time of year

Yeah, it's because of "global warming." They'll fix that once they've finished shaking down...I mean, once they've saved us from the oil spill that evil oil company BP did to us.

And with a wave of Obama's magic wand, no more off shore drilling! That's one crisis that didn't go to waste.

47 posted on 07/26/2010 7:30:05 PM PDT by revo evom
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To: arthurus
That’s what that “dispersant” is supposed to do- make the oil clump up and float a little below the surface for a more aesthetic oil disaster.

No, a dispersant's job is to break the oil into tiny micro-droplets that float to the surface.

It's really a surfactant, but surfactants cause dispersion because the ends of the surfactant molecules sticking out of the oil droplet repel the surfactant molecules in other oil droplets.

I caught triple-heck one evening here when I said that Corexit was nothing more than a glorified detergent. Folks told me that it was a dangerous poison and that Corexit was going to evaporate, fall out as rain, and contaminate the countryside.

I didn't have the heart to tell them about my education and job experience. I can't even begin to remember how many times I've designed and implemented bio-remediation projects for soil and groundwater contaminated with petroleum products. There are three things you need: Plenty of aeration, a bit of nutrients, and a good surfactant. Most engineers use Dawn detergent, which is simply a good, non-toxic surfactant.


48 posted on 07/26/2010 9:03:07 PM PDT by DallasMike
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To: PilotDave

Dont you that Daddy plugged the hole and its not going to be that bad for the November elections.
Because these are not the Jedi that you are looking for. Its the EEvil Repulicans that are to blame.

Lets keep this front and center. Expose and throw them out.


49 posted on 07/26/2010 9:08:46 PM PDT by RedMDer (Throw them all out in 2010... Forward with Confidence! Forward!)
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To: kinghorse; millerpoger
My comment is nothing near liberal compared to the professor's comment “It's Mother Nature doing her job”,. Mother Nature didn't deploy skimmers, dispersants, and human labor.

But I agree we do need the oil, since nothing has been done to replace it since the Carter years, and our dependency on foreign oil has just grown over the years.

Kinghorse, get off your high horse. Resistance to facts on the ground? - Facts from who? Misplaced hysteria? - Nah, that's liberals calling Tea Partiers racist.

Look, the article gave no real reason or explanation as to where the bulk of the oil is, or where it went, only guesses. That amount of crude doesn't disappear overnight.

50 posted on 07/27/2010 3:49:30 AM PDT by Frenchtown Dan
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