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Unmistakable signs of a warming world (pick it apart)
metoffice ^ | 28 July 2010, Updated 29 Jul, 10:30 | metoffice

Posted on 07/29/2010 12:00:56 PM PDT by dila813

Scientific evidence that our world is warming is unmistakable has been released today in the ‘2009 State of the Climate’ report, issued by US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

The report draws on data from 10 key climate indicators that all point to that same finding — the world is warming.

The 10 indicators of temperature have been compiled by the Met Office Hadley Centre, drawing on the work of more than 100 scientists from more than 20 institutions. They provide, in a one place, a snapshot of our world and spell out a single conclusion that the climate is unequivocally warming.

Relying on data from multiple sources, each indicator proved consistent with a warming world.



TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: globalwarming
Discussion on Slashdot: http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/07/29/167253/Global-Warming-Undeniable-Report-Says

AGW = Global Warming?

Don't think so, this is bait and switch. They know they have to show that carbon is causing us to deviate from the warming trend since the last ice age.

Yet what they give us is really ammo that AGW is false. These trends are flat lines, there right in front of us is the missing signal of AGW and it is right from the MET Office.

Notice how they deal in absolute and how the data is cut off even when we know that data exist.

FAIL!!

1 posted on 07/29/2010 12:00:58 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

The ranges shown on the graphs are very, very small. A few selective data choices could easily make it look however you wanted.


2 posted on 07/29/2010 12:04:25 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: dila813

This crap again? If these people are still trying to sell the already disproven AGW garbage after the fraud has been exposed then no amount of evidence will convince them otherwise. It’s a religion to them, not science.


3 posted on 07/29/2010 12:06:42 PM PDT by Dayman
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

It is laughable, they made obvious choices to maximize the impact why setting up the straw argument of Global Warming vs AGW which are two different things.


4 posted on 07/29/2010 12:07:24 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813
the work of more than 100 scientists from more than 20 institutions.

The other "scientists" admitted in their "leaked" emails the earth was getting colder, and they were having trouble hiding their findings. ( Now lets read these e-mails, too, and find out what the truth really is, shall we?)

5 posted on 07/29/2010 12:07:34 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: dila813

Here in the hills above Palm Springs it is currently 78 degrees. I have only had to use the A/C twice, and here it is midsummer. The nights are simply amazing, down to the low to mid fifties by morning. Easily the coolest summer in decades. We are 50 miles from the Pacific, but can almost smell it from here. We normally receive a 10% ocean influence, but this year it is over 80%.


6 posted on 07/29/2010 12:08:10 PM PDT by granite (those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside - JFK)
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To: dila813

I have a house in New Hampshire... more warming, faster please.


7 posted on 07/29/2010 12:08:25 PM PDT by rhombus
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To: dila813

More HOT AIR from massage customer Al Gore.


8 posted on 07/29/2010 12:08:29 PM PDT by hgro (Jerry Riversdun)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
The ranges shown on the graphs are very, very small. A few selective data choices could easily make it look however you wanted.

The data that those graps are based have been "adjusted" and just by coincidence the adjustments make the past cooler than the raw data, and the present hotter.

HadCrut Is Hotting Up – adjustments over a few months

9 posted on 07/29/2010 12:08:36 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Dayman

Yes, but it looks like the slipped out and actually gave ammo. Now we have their own numbers to use against them.


10 posted on 07/29/2010 12:09:00 PM PDT by dila813
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

I had a great high school teacher in the 60s that had us all read a book entitled “How to Lie with Statistics.”

It taught me lessons I have never forgotten.

The answer to all of this is “follow the effort to tax.”

Thieves want to steal. They steal compulsively. these people are thieves and control freaks.


11 posted on 07/29/2010 12:09:30 PM PDT by KC Burke
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To: concerned about politics

I am sure it is the small old group.


12 posted on 07/29/2010 12:09:53 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813; markomalley; Dr. Bogus Pachysandra; Nipfan; rdl6989; Tunehead54; Clive; Little Bill; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

13 posted on 07/29/2010 12:09:54 PM PDT by steelyourfaith ("Release the Second Chakra !!!!!!!" ... Al Gore, 10/24/06)
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To: dila813
The planet has had several ice ages, where almost all of Canada (and Alaska) was covered by tens of thousands of feet of ice. That pretty wiped out everything. It seems to me that: warmer = better; colder = double-plus ungood.
14 posted on 07/29/2010 12:10:13 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: dila813

The only important part of these graphs to scrutinize is the last 15 or so years.

No one has been arguing that it has not warmed since the Little Ice Age. We’ve argued that the warming has not accelerated significantly due to CO2 from man’s activity.

The whole premise of the article is false.


15 posted on 07/29/2010 12:10:17 PM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: dila813
The world is getting warmer. Asteroids are zipping around space. Hydrogen is converted into helium in stars. Gravity creates distortions in space-time.

We don't control these things.

16 posted on 07/29/2010 12:10:42 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
The ranges shown on the graphs are very, very small. A few selective data choices could easily make it look however you wanted.

Yeah. With a little maneuvering, they could make it look something like.....um...a hockey stick?

17 posted on 07/29/2010 12:10:57 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: granite

Same here, we had 4 days of 90s and the rest of the weeks were highs of 75 with a low of 52.


18 posted on 07/29/2010 12:11:29 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

Weathermen socialist agenda (Oboma & friends).... full text - (http://www.archive.org/stream/YouDontNeedAWeathermanToKnowWhichWayTheWindBlows_925/weather_djvu.txt)


19 posted on 07/29/2010 12:13:07 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: AFPhys

Bingo, that is what I see.

These guys are engaged in blatant misinformation.


20 posted on 07/29/2010 12:13:25 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

Who the hell was measuring sea-temperature in 1900? From where? What instruments did they have?


21 posted on 07/29/2010 12:13:46 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: dila813

That might be right. Where I live, it’s been getting warmer since March!


22 posted on 07/29/2010 12:13:58 PM PDT by Spok ("Liberalism is more a mood than a philosophy." -Robert Bork)
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To: dila813

It’s the end of July here in Austin,and we have YET to see a single day of 100 degree readings.

Yep, that damn global warming.


23 posted on 07/29/2010 12:16:00 PM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: dila813

I’m so sick of this BS...everyone in the world knows this is a scam, except those over here who still think they can make money in it.


24 posted on 07/29/2010 12:17:42 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: dila813
An important thing to note is how many times of late that someone has tried to re-start this AGW crap. We're back to the graphs, the so-called "scientists", etc...and all JUST IN TIME FOR THE CAP AND TRADE BILL RESURRECTION.

It's a hoax, which everyone except the brilliant elitists can see, but then, they are too busy groping their massage therapists to notice.
25 posted on 07/29/2010 12:18:25 PM PDT by FrankR (It doesn't matter what they call us, only what we answer to....)
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To: dila813
Scientific evidence that our world is warming is unmistakable has been released today in the ‘2009 State of the Climate’ report, issued by US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

The Earth has been warming or cooling since it was formed. I do not trust the data presented here (way too many people with an agenda collecting and manipulating data and way too short of a time frame using consistent measurement methods - satellites, ice cores, temperature stations, tree rings, etc.)

So, I suspect that the Earth is changing temperatures based on natural processes that have been happening for eons, but I cannot trust the people who are telling me they are certain that it is heating up and that we are responsible for it.

26 posted on 07/29/2010 12:21:07 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (For the record, McCarthy was right.)
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To: rhombus

I’m working on the winter wood, so I don’t want heat!

This is our home, not a vacation place, and I’ll take all the help I can get. Ten tons, or more, of wood to be cut, split, and stacked is necessary, but not a lot of fun. (Of course I can skip the gym thingy whilst on the road later, but that doesn’t make it easy or fun. Heat, 83 now, makes it worst...)

On the other hand, with all the work done, stacked wood everywhere, and the woodpile gone, that beer tastes damned good as I look down from the deck on the results of my work.


27 posted on 07/29/2010 12:31:04 PM PDT by benewton
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To: dila813
None of those charts go back far enough in history:


28 posted on 07/29/2010 12:34:10 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (Even Hitler had Government run health care, but at least he got the Olympics for Germany)
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To: dila813
I just looked through the 200+ page report (downloadable at the link you provide.) There is no evidence anywhere in the report that the reported warming is human-caused. The closest they come to it is to claim that the last three decades have seen the biggest warming and that co-incides with increasing CO2 emission, but there is no evidence presented that either the warming or increase in CO2 is caused by man (the CO2 increase could be the result, not cause, of global warming.)
29 posted on 07/29/2010 12:38:08 PM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: dila813

No comments from this silly report about the record cold in South America, eh?

Liberals are so stupidly transparent...and somehow people believe them.

One of the great mysteries of the universe.


30 posted on 07/29/2010 12:39:20 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Cincinatus

It is urban heat islands that happen even in small villages. These 200 scientists claim urban heat islands do not exist.


31 posted on 07/29/2010 12:42:03 PM PDT by mombi
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To: dila813

Do you believe measurements of an accuracy of 1 part per thousand that cover 60 years and were provided by a government agency? If so than you will belive anything they tell you.


32 posted on 07/29/2010 12:46:13 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (I reserve the right to disagree with both sides!)
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To: dead
We don't control these things.

0bama can... with a little more tax money...

33 posted on 07/29/2010 12:46:24 PM PDT by r-q-tek86 (It isn't settled because it isn't science)
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To: dila813

There is no snapshot of the world. What do they do? Go to the Moon and point a remote-sensing thermometer at the Earth? This is just a bunch of wackos.


34 posted on 07/29/2010 12:50:37 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (my favorite pastime: annoying liberals who have no sense of humor)
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To: Onelifetogive

Of course we’re responsible, there’s none mightier than man. Human’s are the be-all end-all. Just look around- it should be obvious. Beauty and Perfection wherever you look.


35 posted on 07/29/2010 12:53:41 PM PDT by budwiesest (It's that girl from Alaska, again.)
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To: dila813

I would say that the melting of a mile-thick ice sheet that once covered most of the northern hemisphere is an unmistakable sign of global warming.


36 posted on 07/29/2010 1:05:00 PM PDT by henkster (A broken government does not merit full faith and credit.)
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To: dila813

Who chose the sets of points and why were THOSE particular sets of points the ones chosen?


37 posted on 07/29/2010 1:12:29 PM PDT by jongaltsr (It)
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To: dila813

Yes, the earth has been on a warming trend since the little ice age. We are now near a peak in terms of the history put together by various direct measurements and proxies. The questions are:

(1) to what extent, if any, has man contributed to this warming trend, and

(2) is there a threshold which, if we pass through it, the earth would simply get hotter (or, is global temperate dynamically unstable outside of its recent range of variation).

The big problem with answering #1 is that there is no concensus explanation of natural variation. Is it due to variations in solar energy (as might be manifested in sun sports)? To variations in the earth’s core (as might be manifested in volcanic activity)? Or to other causes?

As originally propagated, AGW argued that the earth was in some kind of balance prior to man’s discovery of fire. Then, man screwed things up royally.

We now know this earth being in balance viewpoint is false. The current theory is that the earth has been warming up due to natural variation and we have caused it to warm up a bit more. The combination of these two things puts the earth at risk of passing a theoretical and unknown threshold level which, once passed, would result in uninhabitable conditions.

There is no scientific concensus concerning this scenario (and, I don’t think there could be). But, there’s no use to worrying about it, because there’s no getting around the fact that man is going to continue to pump more CO2 into the atmosphere during the next several decades (because all the industrial nations have pledged to do is cut back a bit on their emissions, and the non-industrial nations haven’t pledged any reduction and, in fact, are increasing their emissions faster than the industrial nations are cutting back).

So, we’re going to put the current version of AGW to the test and, I betting, it’ll be proved wrong. But, I recommend laying in a good store of non-perishables and alcohol (medicinal, of course), so as to enjoy however years we might have remaining on this planet.


38 posted on 07/29/2010 1:18:37 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: dila813
Notice not one graph of SUNSPOT activity, current or past!

Considering our planet is heated by the SUN it would seem very important to them.
39 posted on 07/29/2010 1:24:38 PM PDT by JSteff
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To: dila813

They used about 5 different starting dates.


40 posted on 07/29/2010 2:02:44 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is <strike>fading</strike>gone.)
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To: granite

Well, in Northern Ohio we have had 11 of 28 days 90 or above. Usually we get only a couple all summer. Only 4 days all month below normal, and only by a few degrees.

Many recent summers we ran the air maybe 2 or 3 days all summer. This month it has been on a lot. About 5 years worth. Just got the electric bill today. Ouch!

So, for everyone who can say they are cooler, someone else can say they are hotter.


41 posted on 07/29/2010 2:12:14 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is <strike>fading</strike>gone.)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

Just the movement of one point can make a huge difference (example: Chicago’s official recording from Midway Airport in 1960 to O’Hare, makes a big difference ——any Chicagoan can tell you summertime readings at O’Hare are usually about 5 degrees warmer than Midway).


42 posted on 07/29/2010 3:00:02 PM PDT by cookcounty ("Today's White House reporters seem one ball short of a ping pong scrimmage.")
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To: dila813

OK, it is warmer than it was 14,000 years ago.


43 posted on 07/29/2010 3:50:04 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Socialism is the philosophy of failure, - W Churchill)
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To: dila813
Is the data the graphs are based on available to anyone who wants to look at it?

Are computer models involved in ANY of the data underlying these graphs?
Is any of the data from the discredited sources proven to be fraudulent at "universities" worldwide?

Do any of the sources make the leap from cyclical global warming to Anthropogenic global warming?
Has anyone found a trick to prove that CO2 is a pollutant which actually contributes to global warming?

Are the providers of data still trying to sell imaginary "carbon credits?"

Why am I wasting time going through all the lies and "I need another grant" frauds?

44 posted on 07/29/2010 6:35:08 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
The ranges shown on the graphs are very, very small. A few selective data choices could easily make it look however you wanted.

The doofuses with the drug-addled brains think everyone has forgotten the "Little Ice Age! (1300-1870)"

And if they leave it out of their graphs nobody will bring it up.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Today's kindergtarten lesson :

Weather = scores of years

Climate = hundreds of years. Even 5-yr-olds can understand it.

45 posted on 07/29/2010 6:41:35 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: dila813
It's no coincidence that the main temperature scales that show such a dramatic rise begin in 1850. The Earth was coming out of a Little Ice Age after the Maunder sunspot minimum. ANY temps would look like warming.

The most interesting information is the fact that even with CO2 amounts having risen over the last 10 years, there has actually been COOLING occuring during that time.
An inconvenient truth, to be sure.

46 posted on 07/29/2010 10:14:09 PM PDT by SuziQ
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