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Unaffordable at Any Speed: President Obama's electric car subsidies are snobby and foolish.
Slate ^ | July 30, 2010 | Charles Lane

Posted on 08/01/2010 6:43:04 AM PDT by C19fan

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To: Fresh Wind

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Many people are ignoring this fact, including Rush Limbaugh.
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Wrong. Rush went over all of the facts in detail, particularly noting the crappy four cylinder engine requires premium gasoline.


101 posted on 08/01/2010 12:18:46 PM PDT by noblejones (Obama rules!)
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To: riri

No, I’ve never been to Denmark. It does seem to be the butt of the Swede’s jokes quite frequently... almost feels like I have been there!

A 30-day unlimited ride Metrocard here in NYC is $89/month. I suppose when fewer people drive and thus less bridge and tunnel tolls are collected to subsidize the subway system, the fares will meet or exceed the Tbana.


102 posted on 08/01/2010 12:58:19 PM PDT by OA5599
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
I see one for sale parked alongside the road here in Maine. Should I pick it up? I’ll offer him 50 bucks.

What, did sasquatch lease one too?

103 posted on 08/01/2010 1:02:37 PM PDT by OA5599
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To: Taffini
I don’t think they want anyone to go more than 20 miles away from their “assigned” place.

Until the employer mandates to provide free recharging services at the job site are decreed by the Dictator.

104 posted on 08/01/2010 1:06:21 PM PDT by The Theophilus
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To: C19fan

I will be buying a used and now affordable Hummer H2 soon.

If Obama was smart, which he aint he would have these cars sold below that price, sell them at under $15k.

And let those that want one drive it, let them see what it can do in places with inclement weather, hot weather, icy roads, steep terrain.

The only use for this car is a futuristic society that lives in a cubicle along with neighbors in identical cubicles who all work in Federal buildings.

A car without soul, a throway car, a car that will never be sought after for a young man to rebuild or to hotrod, a car without cojones.


105 posted on 08/01/2010 1:11:03 PM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: longtermmemmory
do not plug that monstrosity into my business.
electricity moochers will be fired immediatly.

Until Barry mandates employers must provide free charging for their employees.

Considering that the Entitlement class liberals are expected to be the buyers of this, there will be a whole new twist to the tradition of "siphoning"; that is, cheapskates will be on the prowl to steal free juice for their cars. I can see this becoming a sport.

To defend against this, property owners from homes, apartments, powered camp sites, businesses - everyone will have to take defensive measures against their power bills skyrocketing from these anticipated poachers.

I remember as a young guy after closing down the Radio Shack store at night, my low life friend would come stop by with a case of beer. We would take the car up to the top of the Galleria Dallas parking garage, unscrew the blue security phone light, twist in a 120v power outlet into the bulb socket and power up a color TV we put on the hood and controlled with a remote control. Would sit there until the beer was gone then pack up and leave.

The point being, creative people will easily find all kinds of way to poach unlimited amounts of electricity from unsuspecting property owner/managers.

106 posted on 08/01/2010 1:22:48 PM PDT by The Theophilus
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Railroads use Diesel electric power because they are able to run cleaner

And here I thought it had more to do with high torque motors rather than burning out a clutch or melting a massive torque converter when trying to move thousands of tons of stationary mass.

107 posted on 08/01/2010 1:35:11 PM PDT by The Theophilus
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To: evad
"..electricity is cheaper per mile than gas."
HUH???

DING DING DING, WE GOT A WINNER !!!

When liberals speak, always look for the false premise. Electricity is way more expensive than gas. If it were really cheaper, we would all be driving electric cars. Consumers will always go for the better deal, and right now, the better deal by far is gasoline.

108 posted on 08/01/2010 1:36:21 PM PDT by Hoodat (.For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: fightinJAG; Hoodat

YES! YES!!


109 posted on 08/01/2010 1:46:36 PM PDT by evad (SHUT IT DOWN!!!)
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To: The Theophilus

I’m surprised nobody has engineered or proposed a special “third rail” commuter lane for electric cars, they drive by an auto steer system by underground wires and the cars have a retractable third rail arm that draws off a line.

Combined with a proximity sensor, the auto steer and a purchased electric mile meter system then all the suburbanites have to do is steer into these carpool lanes, kick back and let the Big Government take you to your production workforce centers.


110 posted on 08/01/2010 1:57:53 PM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: noblejones

I guess I missed that segment. In any event, I’m sure Rush spent far more time ranting on the 40 mile limit than explaining how the car actually is supposed to work.

But what do you expect from someone who has trouble remembering how many cars he actually owns?


111 posted on 08/01/2010 2:10:54 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (For the first time in half a century, there is no former KKK member in the US Senate.)
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To: C19fan

I wouldn’t mind a small electric to do short errands in... I’d prob go for one of those smart cars...which run about 12,000 new.


112 posted on 08/01/2010 2:11:11 PM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: Eye of Unk
I’m surprised nobody has engineered or proposed a special “third rail” commuter lane for electric cars, they drive by an auto steer system by underground wires and the cars have a retractable third rail arm that draws off a line.

LOL!!

The irony would be epic.

113 posted on 08/01/2010 3:25:40 PM PDT by The Theophilus
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To: The Theophilus

It would be ironic indeed, but we do have the technology for a convoy of vehicles to travel literally on their own by a computer inches apart and without any driver input.

Be it an overhead trolley or a ground level third rail with a two pole plate its an engineering possibility.

Better this than finding out the batteries only last a year or two, are only made in China.


114 posted on 08/01/2010 3:32:49 PM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: evad

Glad you’re in!


115 posted on 08/01/2010 4:21:37 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Obama: "I will gladly pay you on Tuesday for a hamburger today.")
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To: Brilliant

So I wonder if Obama is going to drive one?

Does he even have a license?


116 posted on 08/01/2010 4:40:27 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey (here's my checkbook and my car-keys, my credit carThe bigger the government = The smaller the people)
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To: Joan Kerrey
"So I wonder if Obama is going to drive one? Does he even have a license? "

Absolutely--it even has tags.

KEN-YA1

117 posted on 08/01/2010 7:31:53 PM PDT by evad (SHUT IT DOWN!!!)
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To: whitedog57
Obama, as head of GM is trying to do three things simultaneously"

1) He is trying to keep the auto workers union happy.
2) He is trying to make "green" cars to satisfy environmentalists.
3) He is trying to return GM to an economically viable company.

I would imagine that auto executives who have been in the business for years would have problems achieving this. For Obama, it would be practially miraculous. Guess which of these three will take a backseat to the other two. I guess that is why God made taxpayers.

118 posted on 08/01/2010 8:10:24 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: riri

You’re the first one I’ve heard from that actually “gets” it. Of course the plan is even more sinister here in the U.S.; the idea is to trap people in place while the gov’t relocates the hate and evil all around them and then watch as they crawl out at night and kill people. Since putting up 40,000 HUD apt. units around our neighborhood, killings have gone from neligible to 1 or more a week. Of course the local version of the MSM doesn’t report that. Every business in the area has been robbed multiple times and expects to be robbed at least once a month; and the elderly are particularly vulnerable. And through all this, the Cops laugh. Their response time has gone from 10 minutes to 45; they don’t want to get caught in the cross-fire; then again, they’ve been “diversified” so they don’t really care who gets killed and are probably on extracurricular payroll anyway. You’d have been a lot better off staying in Scandinavia.


119 posted on 08/02/2010 6:16:04 AM PDT by glide625
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To: Kirkwood

“Full charge is 8 hours on 220 and 16 hours on 110. I found that info at the Chevy Volt forum”

Right, and most homes will use 110. That’s 16 hours of charge to go just 40 miles. And you can bet, that these “statistics” are under ideal conditions, 70 degrees, flat concrete roads and no wind.

Give one a gravel read, raining buckets, 40 mph headwinds, 30 below zero and a Continental divide to climb, 2 feet of snow and the picture becomes rather blurry.

They are also very heavy from the battery train that takes up most of the inner frame. Get one stuck and you have a whole new business category created; Roadside Auto salvage.


120 posted on 08/02/2010 6:27:29 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP ( Give me Liberty, or give me an M-24A2!)
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