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Referendum in Missouri: Will the Show-Me State Show Up Obamacare?
TIME MAGAZINE ^ | 08/03/2010 | Karen Ball

Posted on 08/03/2010 1:41:11 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Missouri voters go to the polls Tuesday for the first-in-the-nation referendum on President Obama's health care plan. It is likely to give Republicans a chance to brag about the unpopularity of Obamacare, but the vote will be largely symbolic. Courts will eventually decide whether Missouri and other states can legally trump federal law and exempt citizens from the mandate to buy insurance. But sending a signal to Washington will be victory enough for the Republicans and Tea Party activists pushing Proposition C.

"You don't need to worry about the courts when the people are trying to have their say," says Lloyd Smith, executive director of the Missouri GOP. "The people are saying this is going too far. It's a referendum on the overreach of the Obama Administration and the liberals in Congress." The vote is as much about "anger and frustration" at all things Washington as it is about health care, explains Representative John Diehl, a Republican from St. Louis County who was one of the chief proponents of the referendum when it passed the Missouri legislature.

But the specific issue boils down to this: Can the government require that citizens buy health insurance? Mandatory insurance is a key element of the health care reforms passed by congressional Democrats and signed by Obama this year. Adding healthy people to the insurance pool spreads the cost of policies for people with health problems. Missouri's referendum rejects that mandate by asking voters whether state laws should be amended to forbid penalties for failing to have health insurance.

(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: missouri; obamacare; referendum
Opponents of Prop C — those who support the insurance mandate — have been frustrated by the lack of a vigorous campaign to defeat it. Apart from a mass mailing by the Missouri Hospital Association, no organized effort existed until a few weeks ago when three 19-year-olds started a Facebook campaign

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2008087,00.html#ixzz0vZqsQuPg

1 posted on 08/03/2010 1:41:13 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Any MO FReepers out there...how did the polling places look today in comparison to other non presidential year primaries?


2 posted on 08/03/2010 1:49:13 PM PDT by lovesdogs
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To: lovesdogs

I’m in the 7th Congressional district of Missouri (Springfield). My polling place was pretty slow. One and two voters at a time. Still that’s probably busier than average for a non-general election. On the Missouri board some FReepers said they had lines at their polling places.


3 posted on 08/03/2010 1:54:21 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (DeMint 2012)
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To: SeekAndFind

There hasn’t been a lot of organized opposition to Propostion C because it’s pretty much a given that the courts will shoot it down. To me that’s not the point though. The point is that conservatives can now prove, by popular vote, that it’s a lie to say, “The American people support the presidents health care reforms”.


4 posted on 08/03/2010 1:57:01 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (DeMint 2012)
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To: lovesdogs

I am in District 8 (Lees Summit) and it was dead. I went up at noon and I was the only person there to vote. I am concerned about the effort to GOTV.


5 posted on 08/03/2010 2:08:03 PM PDT by Dartoid
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To: SeekAndFind

And if enough actual Americans do happen to show up in Missouri, some Clinton/Carter/Hussein appointed judge will simply OVERTURN the people’s decision!!!


6 posted on 08/03/2010 2:09:28 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: Artemis Webb

I’m in the 9th Congressional dictrict of Missouri (Kirksville) Adair county, Northeast part of the state. I was voter #109 at about 0900 this morning but the voting traffic was really starting to pick about that time. I’m hoping Blunt gets beat, but it’s probably wishful thinking.


7 posted on 08/03/2010 2:13:01 PM PDT by anchorclankor (From the main part of Missouri)
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To: anchorclankor

I support Blunt but if Perguson somehow pulls out a win I’ll wholeheartedly support him (God knows he’ll need all the help he can get since he doesn’t have a penny to his name).


8 posted on 08/03/2010 2:17:10 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (DeMint 2012)
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To: SeekAndFind
...the vote will be largely symbolic. Courts will eventually decide whether Missouri and other states can legally trump federal law and exempt citizens from the mandate to buy insurance.

No where in the article does Time mention the flimsy pretext of using the Commerce Clause to legitimize the Federal overreach, which is more at the heart of the matter than Federal preemption of State laws. Time doesn't want to mention it, because neither Time nor the Dems can defend it.

9 posted on 08/03/2010 2:17:46 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: SeekAndFind

St. Louis County here...went about 1pm and I was the youngest one there by about 20 years...I’m 48...


10 posted on 08/03/2010 2:18:13 PM PDT by demsux (Obama: THE job destroyer)
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To: Dartoid

Look at it this way -
of the people that were at the polling place at the same time as you, the vote was 100% in favor.


11 posted on 08/03/2010 2:18:51 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: lovesdogs

I just got back from my polling place. It is 4pm, and 100 degrees here. There were two filing out as I went in, and three coming in the door as I left. I stupidly forgot to look at the turnout counter on the machine. I believe it was at four digits, though.

My wife went earlier in the day, and said that the polling place was deluged with blue hairs asking for Republican ballots (no offense to present company blue hairs).


12 posted on 08/03/2010 2:29:03 PM PDT by BattleHymn
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To: SeekAndFind
Courts will eventually decide whether Missouri and other states can legally trump federal law and exempt citizens from the mandate to buy insurance.

That question should be pretty darn easy -- self-evident even!

[Amendment X]
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Since the Constitution does not delegate to the US (i.e. Congress) any powers regarding requiring citizens to buy health insurance, nor does it prohibit the states from legislating in these areas, then the right to exempt citizens from such unauthorized legislation by Congress is CLEARLY reserved to the states or to the people.
13 posted on 08/03/2010 2:30:04 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: SeekAndFind

Prop C was the only thing that motivated me to go to the polls today.

YES WE CAN!


14 posted on 08/03/2010 2:33:24 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: SeekAndFind

Missouri Hospital Association was bought off in the ObamaCare bill just like the national hospital lobby.

Doesn’t matter. The clowns that run the MHA won’t be able to stop the steamroller that is Prop C.


15 posted on 08/03/2010 2:35:03 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: lovesdogs

Mine was very light, however I live in a staunchly Dem area (St. Louis city), and conservatives were really the only ones motivated to get out and vote. I guess that’s a good sign.


16 posted on 08/03/2010 2:36:08 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: Artemis Webb

What about St Louis where elections are stolen?


17 posted on 08/03/2010 2:36:58 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming)
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To: Artemis Webb

I’m from Springfield originally (the heart of the 7th). My family is friends with Billy Long and are big supporters. The Republican primary is tantamount to the general election in that district.

Go Billy!


18 posted on 08/03/2010 2:37:22 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: MrB

Turnout is always very light in a midterm primary. Prop C is really the only thing out there to turn out the vote. The electorate today will be largely Republican because of that, and I predict a solid win for Prop C.


19 posted on 08/03/2010 2:39:35 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: SeekAndFind

Slightly heavier than usual turnout (for a Primary) in mostly conservative SW St. Louis county.

I was REALLY hoping for some “intimidating” Panther presence, as I had the shotgun on board. Racking a shell into the chamber within earshot of those ignorant savages, would have given me great satisfaction.


20 posted on 08/03/2010 2:42:04 PM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: bert

Not likely. The shenanigans usually happen in downtown and in north St. Louis city. The lack of any real reason for Democrats to turn out, combined with the insane heat leads me to believe that the electorate will be heavily Republican. Prop C passes easily.

Hopefully Billy Long can pull it out in MO-7.


21 posted on 08/03/2010 2:42:29 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: BattleHymn

In my opinion blue hairs are dying out.

Ask your wife if they were truly blue hairs or grey haired men with women who’s hair was their recolor of choice.


22 posted on 08/03/2010 2:44:27 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming)
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To: SeekAndFind; All

Shouldn’t the Federal Government mandate that each citizen buy at least one apple per day? After all, by keeping the doctor away the cost to tax payers will be less.

Thoughts anyone?


23 posted on 08/03/2010 2:49:21 PM PDT by wiseprince
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To: bert

Hah! She was adamant that they were women. She was more flustered by the old man running the A-J voter book commenting on how she looked too young to vote! He was there when I went, too. He is quite a card; looks to be in the 85+ age group, wearing high waters, suspenders, and a Spam baseball cap.


24 posted on 08/03/2010 2:49:24 PM PDT by BattleHymn
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To: lovesdogs

I don’t think those who are saying that the turnout is light have been keeping track of mid-term, summer elections over the years.

I actually do keep track of my voter number that gets assigned to me when I sign in. The numbering system is a simple count up of the number of voters who voted before me.

I always go to the polls at about the same time so as to establish a baseline for estimating voter turnout. Then, right before the polls close, my parents usually show up at the polls to vote. They then relay their voter numbers to me so that I have a more accurate count of voter turnout in our district.

I was assigned number 157 this afternoon. That’s about 100 more voters than four years ago when I was voter number 53 for that year’s mid-term, summer elections.

Therefore, at least in my district, voter turnout is running about 3x higher than four years ago.

Cheers


25 posted on 08/03/2010 3:29:46 PM PDT by DoctorBulldog (Here, intolerance... will not be tolerated! - (South Park))
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To: lovesdogs

I voted at 4:00 pm and was #177. No one else was there.


26 posted on 08/03/2010 3:34:46 PM PDT by surelyclintonsbaddream (show us your birth certificate---millions of babies can't show us theirs)
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To: SeekAndFind

I also bit the bullet and voted for Chuck Purgason. I am not sure he has a chance but I figured it is not like, by my vote, I am giving the job to Carnahan.


27 posted on 08/03/2010 3:41:20 PM PDT by surelyclintonsbaddream (show us your birth certificate---millions of babies can't show us theirs)
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To: VRWCmember
Since the Constitution does not delegate to the US (i.e. Congress) any powers regarding requiring citizens to buy health insurance, nor does it prohibit the states from legislating in these areas, then the right to exempt citizens from such unauthorized legislation by Congress is CLEARLY reserved to the states or to the people.

Even if the individual mandate could be overturned, that doesn't get to the most destructive aspect of Obamacare -- the dismantling of the private health insurance market.

While nobody should be forced to purchase health insurance, not many people can pay for medical expenses out of pocket. The vast majority of us -- like me -- *need* health insurance.

The biggest problem with Obamacare is that it mandates the type of policies that are acceptable. That means one-size-fits-all policies that are going to be more expensive, e.g., no more cheap catastrophic plans for young, healthy people.

So even if my State of Virginia succeeds in shielding me from the individual mandate, I will still need to purchase health insurance, and the private insurance market is going to be offering very few -- and very expensive -- options.

The *entire* Obamacare law must be overturned.

28 posted on 08/03/2010 3:46:09 PM PDT by kevao
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To: SeekAndFind

Note to long time Freepers. This year’s Missouri Senate debates will not include our old friend Digger. He’s not running this year. The Green Party is running some strumpet from Code Stink. I was looking forward to the debates till I found that out. Last reference on the web I could find from Digger was a rambling nutbar letter to the editor from a year ago.


29 posted on 08/03/2010 3:59:27 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; blueyon; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; ...
...referendum on President Obama 's health care plan... Thanks SeekAndFind.
30 posted on 08/03/2010 4:00:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: DoctorBulldog

Thank you. 3x normal turnout could translate to a very big deal if it holds statewide.


31 posted on 08/03/2010 4:16:01 PM PDT by lovesdogs
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To: lovesdogs

http://www.sos.mo.gov/enrweb/allresults.asp?eid=283

Watch the returns. At the very bottom of the page is Prop C. It’s currently winning 70% yes to 30% no.


32 posted on 08/03/2010 5:35:22 PM PDT by Darth Gill
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To: Darth Gill

Here is a nice interactive map for returns re: prop c


33 posted on 08/03/2010 5:44:16 PM PDT by Darth Gill
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To: Darth Gill

http://www.sos.mo.gov/enrmaps/20100803/ballot_Issue_map.asp?eid=256&oTypeID=20&Tuesday,%20August%2003,%202010


34 posted on 08/03/2010 5:44:35 PM PDT by Darth Gill
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To: lovesdogs

Slow but steady stream of older folks in my area. Hot as Hades in the Ozarks. However, that may keep the ACORN nuts away as they may get even more squirrely in the heat. Bake what is left of their brains.
Prop C should breeze thru:)


35 posted on 08/03/2010 5:48:56 PM PDT by katiedidit1
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To: Darth Gill

Thanks for that link. Now 68-32 yes.


36 posted on 08/03/2010 6:02:12 PM PDT by lovesdogs
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To: Darth Gill

Great map...thanks!


37 posted on 08/03/2010 6:06:54 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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38 posted on 08/03/2010 6:18:31 PM PDT by Cyber Ninja (Live and let live; is not working...)
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To: Artemis Webb
74.5%.

http://www.sos.mo.gov/enrweb/ballotissueresults.asp?eid=283

39 posted on 08/03/2010 7:59:13 PM PDT by Libloather (Teapublican, PROUD birther, mobster, pro-lifer, anti-warmer, enemy of the state, extremist....)
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To: Libloather

It is a good evening in Missouri!


40 posted on 08/03/2010 8:02:06 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (DeMint 2012)
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To: Libloather

Precincts Reporting 2620 of 3354


41 posted on 08/03/2010 8:19:09 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory
Precincts Reporting 2620 of 3354

I've got 3349 of 3354 - 71.1%.

http://www.sos.mo.gov/enrweb/ballotissueresults.asp?eid=283

42 posted on 08/03/2010 9:37:10 PM PDT by Libloather (Teapublican, PROUD birther, mobster, pro-lifer, anti-warmer, enemy of the state, extremist....)
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To: Artemis Webb
It is a good evening in Missouri!

Time to pop a cork or two. Save a few for November.

43 posted on 08/03/2010 9:38:59 PM PDT by Libloather (Teapublican, PROUD birther, mobster, pro-lifer, anti-warmer, enemy of the state, extremist....)
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