Skip to comments.Referendum in Missouri: Will the Show-Me State Show Up Obamacare?
Posted on 08/03/2010 1:41:11 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Missouri voters go to the polls Tuesday for the first-in-the-nation referendum on President Obama's health care plan. It is likely to give Republicans a chance to brag about the unpopularity of Obamacare, but the vote will be largely symbolic. Courts will eventually decide whether Missouri and other states can legally trump federal law and exempt citizens from the mandate to buy insurance. But sending a signal to Washington will be victory enough for the Republicans and Tea Party activists pushing Proposition C.
"You don't need to worry about the courts when the people are trying to have their say," says Lloyd Smith, executive director of the Missouri GOP. "The people are saying this is going too far. It's a referendum on the overreach of the Obama Administration and the liberals in Congress." The vote is as much about "anger and frustration" at all things Washington as it is about health care, explains Representative John Diehl, a Republican from St. Louis County who was one of the chief proponents of the referendum when it passed the Missouri legislature.
But the specific issue boils down to this: Can the government require that citizens buy health insurance? Mandatory insurance is a key element of the health care reforms passed by congressional Democrats and signed by Obama this year. Adding healthy people to the insurance pool spreads the cost of policies for people with health problems. Missouri's referendum rejects that mandate by asking voters whether state laws should be amended to forbid penalties for failing to have health insurance.
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Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2008087,00.html#ixzz0vZqsQuPg
Any MO FReepers out there...how did the polling places look today in comparison to other non presidential year primaries?
I’m in the 7th Congressional district of Missouri (Springfield). My polling place was pretty slow. One and two voters at a time. Still that’s probably busier than average for a non-general election. On the Missouri board some FReepers said they had lines at their polling places.
There hasn’t been a lot of organized opposition to Propostion C because it’s pretty much a given that the courts will shoot it down. To me that’s not the point though. The point is that conservatives can now prove, by popular vote, that it’s a lie to say, “The American people support the presidents health care reforms”.
I am in District 8 (Lees Summit) and it was dead. I went up at noon and I was the only person there to vote. I am concerned about the effort to GOTV.
And if enough actual Americans do happen to show up in Missouri, some Clinton/Carter/Hussein appointed judge will simply OVERTURN the people’s decision!!!
I’m in the 9th Congressional dictrict of Missouri (Kirksville) Adair county, Northeast part of the state. I was voter #109 at about 0900 this morning but the voting traffic was really starting to pick about that time. I’m hoping Blunt gets beat, but it’s probably wishful thinking.
I support Blunt but if Perguson somehow pulls out a win I’ll wholeheartedly support him (God knows he’ll need all the help he can get since he doesn’t have a penny to his name).
No where in the article does Time mention the flimsy pretext of using the Commerce Clause to legitimize the Federal overreach, which is more at the heart of the matter than Federal preemption of State laws. Time doesn't want to mention it, because neither Time nor the Dems can defend it.
St. Louis County here...went about 1pm and I was the youngest one there by about 20 years...I’m 48...
Look at it this way -
of the people that were at the polling place at the same time as you, the vote was 100% in favor.
I just got back from my polling place. It is 4pm, and 100 degrees here. There were two filing out as I went in, and three coming in the door as I left. I stupidly forgot to look at the turnout counter on the machine. I believe it was at four digits, though.
My wife went earlier in the day, and said that the polling place was deluged with blue hairs asking for Republican ballots (no offense to present company blue hairs).
That question should be pretty darn easy -- self-evident even!
[Amendment X]Since the Constitution does not delegate to the US (i.e. Congress) any powers regarding requiring citizens to buy health insurance, nor does it prohibit the states from legislating in these areas, then the right to exempt citizens from such unauthorized legislation by Congress is CLEARLY reserved to the states or to the people.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Prop C was the only thing that motivated me to go to the polls today.
YES WE CAN!
Missouri Hospital Association was bought off in the ObamaCare bill just like the national hospital lobby.
Doesn’t matter. The clowns that run the MHA won’t be able to stop the steamroller that is Prop C.
Mine was very light, however I live in a staunchly Dem area (St. Louis city), and conservatives were really the only ones motivated to get out and vote. I guess that’s a good sign.
What about St Louis where elections are stolen?
I’m from Springfield originally (the heart of the 7th). My family is friends with Billy Long and are big supporters. The Republican primary is tantamount to the general election in that district.
Turnout is always very light in a midterm primary. Prop C is really the only thing out there to turn out the vote. The electorate today will be largely Republican because of that, and I predict a solid win for Prop C.
Slightly heavier than usual turnout (for a Primary) in mostly conservative SW St. Louis county.
I was REALLY hoping for some “intimidating” Panther presence, as I had the shotgun on board. Racking a shell into the chamber within earshot of those ignorant savages, would have given me great satisfaction.
Not likely. The shenanigans usually happen in downtown and in north St. Louis city. The lack of any real reason for Democrats to turn out, combined with the insane heat leads me to believe that the electorate will be heavily Republican. Prop C passes easily.
Hopefully Billy Long can pull it out in MO-7.
In my opinion blue hairs are dying out.
Ask your wife if they were truly blue hairs or grey haired men with women who’s hair was their recolor of choice.
Shouldn’t the Federal Government mandate that each citizen buy at least one apple per day? After all, by keeping the doctor away the cost to tax payers will be less.
Hah! She was adamant that they were women. She was more flustered by the old man running the A-J voter book commenting on how she looked too young to vote! He was there when I went, too. He is quite a card; looks to be in the 85+ age group, wearing high waters, suspenders, and a Spam baseball cap.
I don’t think those who are saying that the turnout is light have been keeping track of mid-term, summer elections over the years.
I actually do keep track of my voter number that gets assigned to me when I sign in. The numbering system is a simple count up of the number of voters who voted before me.
I always go to the polls at about the same time so as to establish a baseline for estimating voter turnout. Then, right before the polls close, my parents usually show up at the polls to vote. They then relay their voter numbers to me so that I have a more accurate count of voter turnout in our district.
I was assigned number 157 this afternoon. That’s about 100 more voters than four years ago when I was voter number 53 for that year’s mid-term, summer elections.
Therefore, at least in my district, voter turnout is running about 3x higher than four years ago.
I voted at 4:00 pm and was #177. No one else was there.
I also bit the bullet and voted for Chuck Purgason. I am not sure he has a chance but I figured it is not like, by my vote, I am giving the job to Carnahan.
Even if the individual mandate could be overturned, that doesn't get to the most destructive aspect of Obamacare -- the dismantling of the private health insurance market.
While nobody should be forced to purchase health insurance, not many people can pay for medical expenses out of pocket. The vast majority of us -- like me -- *need* health insurance.
The biggest problem with Obamacare is that it mandates the type of policies that are acceptable. That means one-size-fits-all policies that are going to be more expensive, e.g., no more cheap catastrophic plans for young, healthy people.
So even if my State of Virginia succeeds in shielding me from the individual mandate, I will still need to purchase health insurance, and the private insurance market is going to be offering very few -- and very expensive -- options.
The *entire* Obamacare law must be overturned.
Note to long time Freepers. This year’s Missouri Senate debates will not include our old friend Digger. He’s not running this year. The Green Party is running some strumpet from Code Stink. I was looking forward to the debates till I found that out. Last reference on the web I could find from Digger was a rambling nutbar letter to the editor from a year ago.
Thank you. 3x normal turnout could translate to a very big deal if it holds statewide.
Watch the returns. At the very bottom of the page is Prop C. It’s currently winning 70% yes to 30% no.
Here is a nice interactive map for returns re: prop c
Slow but steady stream of older folks in my area. Hot as Hades in the Ozarks. However, that may keep the ACORN nuts away as they may get even more squirrely in the heat. Bake what is left of their brains.
Prop C should breeze thru:)
Thanks for that link. Now 68-32 yes.
It is a good evening in Missouri!
Precincts Reporting 2620 of 3354
I've got 3349 of 3354 - 71.1%.
Time to pop a cork or two. Save a few for November.