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BP's Deepwater Oil Spill - Cementing the Well - and Open Thread
The Oil Drum ^ | August 5, 2010 - 10:25am | Heading Out

Posted on 08/05/2010 9:40:32 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

The Deepwater well has now reached a point where the mud inside the well is applying enough weight to the fluid in the formation that the flow of fluid, when such exists, is now from the well back into the rock. The well is sufficiently secure that, just before 7 pm CST Wednesday, Admiral Allen issued the following press release:

Based on the successful completion of the static kill procedure and a positive evaluation of the test results, I have authorized BP to cement its damaged well. I made it clear that implementation of this procedure shall in no way delay the completion of the relief well.

In his press conference Wednesday, Kent Wells described the steps to kill the well, and what is currently happening as the work moves toward sealing the well.

The crew is now running the drill pipe within the relief well, but must first run a test of the Blow-out Preventer (BOP). There is a regulation, which the other drilling rig did not follow earlier in the process, that is, no doubt, now being practiced.

The Transocean Development Driller II (DD II) working for BP, received one INC (Incidence of Non-Compliance) because it had not alternated between control stations for BOP testing. MMS regulations require that the regular 14-day BOP tests alternate between the BOP station on the rig floor and the remote station located at another site on the rig. On the DD II they conducted the BOP pressure testing only from the driller’s control station for the last two tests. They did perform function testing on the remote station, but the pressure testing was only performed using the driller’s station. MMS has ordered the rig to alternate control stations in the future. . . . . . in addition, as a condition of its drilling permit, the rig will be required to conduct increased testing of the BOP stack and Remote Operated Vehicle (ROV) intervention both on the rig and on the seabed.

I presume that it is this scheduled BOP test that is currently being planned. After it is over then the excess cement that is still in the casing will be drilled out. This will allow instruments to then move over the full length of the injected cement to ensure that the cement was placed properly (using a cement bond log – something that was controversially not done by Schlumberger before the well failure of the Deepwater Horizon). In addition there will be a leakoff test, to test the strength of the surrounding rock.

Simplistically, the pressure in the bottom of the well is slowly increased until the fluid in the well starts to penetrate the rock, shown when the pressure no longer steadily increases as fluid is added. This is then used to determine the weight of the mud that will then be used to drill the last section of the well (to ensure that the well pressure isn’t high enough to reach that pressure that will fracture the rock, and lose fluid to the formation).

With that in hand the well will start the short advances, then be surveyed, then advance again, to ensure that the relief well remains on target to hit the original well, first along the annulus, and then to penetrate through the production casing to allow a cement seal of the whole bottom section of the well.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: bp; deephorz; deepwaterhorizon; energy; offshore; oil; oilspill

1 posted on 08/05/2010 9:40:34 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Sub-Driver; BOBTHENAILER; SunkenCiv; Marine_Uncle; onyx; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; ...

fyi


2 posted on 08/05/2010 9:43:51 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Just what has Admiral Thad Allen done as “national incident commander” other than hold press conferences? Has the U.S. government done anything positive with respect to solving the problem?


3 posted on 08/05/2010 9:45:32 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Obama makes me miss Jimmah Cahtah!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The crew is now running the drill pipe within the relief well,...

I must have missed a step. I haven't heard anything about removing the drill pipe that was left in the well bore during the original disaster.

4 posted on 08/05/2010 9:51:09 AM PDT by FreePaul
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; BOBTHENAILER; SierraWasp; tubebender

My trophy bride made a couple of interesting comments yesterday after a brief Fox New update:

1. The leak must be pretty well under control since very little hysteria is being aired.

2. Is the “escaped” oil and the Gulf Salt Watere, doing what salt water has done with escaping oil for centuries, ie, handling the problem.

3. Has/Did BP buy out the envirals before, during and after as they certainly have been quiet versus if this had been Exxon or an American oil company.


5 posted on 08/05/2010 9:54:36 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

One thing this whole episode has shown me.
Drilling for oil as waaaaay more complicated than I ever imagined.


6 posted on 08/05/2010 10:04:09 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

BP starts Macondo cement job
http://www.upstreamonline.com/live/article224829.ece

BP starte pumping cement to seal the Macondo blowout about 9 Thursday morning after receiving the green light from the head of US Gulf spill response team.

The move was endorsed by retired US Coast Guard admiral Thad Allen, who is heading the US Gulf spill response team.

“Based on the successful completion of the static kill procedure and a positive evaluation of the test results, I have authorised BP to cement its damaged well.

“I made it clear that implementation of this procedure shall in no way delay the completion of the relief well,” Allen said late Wednesday night.

BP first commenced the static top kill on the Macondo blowout well on 3 August.

Heavy drilling mud had been pumped into the well in an effort to suppress the flow.

The operation was declared a success at about 1 am local time Wednesday, with the well being brought under control by the hydrostatic pressure of drilling mud, effectively killing the leak.

BP used Helix Energy Solutions’ semi-submersible platform Q4000 for the static kill operations. About 2300 barrels of mud in total had been pumped into the blowout well.

Crews stopped pumping mud into the well about eight hours into the operation to formulate a plan to permanently seal the well.

At the end of the operation, the pumping rate was ramped up to between 10 barrels per minute and 15 barrels per minute, according to BP’s executive Kent Wells.

BP is likely to pump cement at similar rates should it choose to permanently seal the well from the top, Wells said.

BP is pursuing a concurrent bottom-kill strategy by drilling a relief well to intercept the Macondo blowout.

The relief well was being drilled by Transocean’s semi-submersible rig Development Driller 3.

Once it intercepts the Macondo bore, crews will either verify that the well was successfully cemented and killed through the top kill or will proceed with a bottom kill and final cement job, Wells said.

Last updated: 05 August 2010 15:40 GMT


7 posted on 08/05/2010 10:06:49 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: FreePaul
I must have missed a step.

Yes I think so,...there are actually two relief wells and the original well . Only one of the Relief wells is being actively worked at the moment...

On The Oil Drum the acronyms are RW for Relief Well and WW for the Wild Well which is the well that still contains drill pipe in unknown condition after the blowout.

8 posted on 08/05/2010 10:21:20 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

I posted the thread but I am not about to try to answer THAT question.


9 posted on 08/05/2010 10:22:50 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel
Has the U.S. government this administration done anything positive with respect to solving the any problem?
10 posted on 08/05/2010 10:26:01 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Grampa Dave; justa-hairyape; Carry_Okie
Lets see....for :

1...

The Well is currently "Stabilized"....I think that is the term they are using....

It is not leaking...but portions of the BOP structure are however.

justa-hairyape; has been spending a lot of time watching what is going on around the top of the well head.

2.

There is an enormous amount of discussion at TOD on Plumes,.corexit, microbes , where did the oil go ...who did what to whom....etc.

The itty bitty critters seem to have been busy!

3.

Interesting observations....maybe since BP was trying to bill itself as THE Green company it was supplying funds to a lot of the Greenies....and they didn't want to risk impacting the money flow....but I don't really know.

Thinking of carry_okie here....he might have some ideas.

11 posted on 08/05/2010 10:34:32 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: thackney

Right!


12 posted on 08/05/2010 10:36:05 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Vinnie

Same here....I had no idea.


13 posted on 08/05/2010 10:37:20 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Grampa Dave

What happened to the oil?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/35412829/Disperse-0805-c


14 posted on 08/05/2010 10:40:32 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

Absolutely! It was very important for the Government to order BP to do what BP wanted to do anyway. That prevented government second-guessing. Of course, since it was the Government that was DOING the second-guessing, there might have been a more direct solution...


15 posted on 08/05/2010 10:52:57 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thinking of carry_okie here....he might have some ideas.

Too many of them, unfortunately. I've been on vacation (first in 20 years) so I haven't been following this one closely.

With cap and raid in the offing, BP may see more opportunities in crooked "renewables" than in oil. That said, they need prices to be high enough to make those investments pencil. Hence, with a general recession under full swing, a huge find of light crude near the Gulf Coast is the one thing they do not need, as it would depress pricing considerably. So a massive debacle with a consequent environmental crash would justify a ban on "deep water drilling" and be just the ticket. That it removes one more source of food for ConUS as delivered by independent small businesses is a twofer.

What that means is that it will be open season for the ChiComs, Brazilians, etc., which is exactly what the Globalists want anyway.

I watched the Senate hearings on corext yesterday. The one thing the panel had to say besides "dump grant money on us" was the token NGO supposed advocate "for the oceans" to drone on about the absolute requirement for a ban on drilling and "retraining" all those workers for a domestic renewable energy market.

Funny, she had almost nothing to say about marine biology...

When the one Gulf Coast scientist quietly reminded her that the Gulf adsorbs the equivalent of an Exxon Valdiz EVERY YEAR in natural seeps that are themselves a source of nutrition for the base of the marine biological pyramid, well, it was sort of a circus.

16 posted on 08/05/2010 10:57:58 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Government is an apex predator.)
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To: thackney; Carry_Okie
That is a good graphic.

CO see link at #14.

17 posted on 08/05/2010 11:07:27 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Carry_Okie
You have me checking my tinfoil supply.

There were certainly some very questionable happenings in that Blow Out.

The one that stands out to me is displacing the mud with sea water,.... And there were a lot of BP Executives visiting the well...very little has been said about them....

18 posted on 08/05/2010 11:11:31 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Not to mention the stock trades prior to the event.
19 posted on 08/05/2010 11:17:34 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Government is an apex predator.)
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To: Carry_Okie

I have always considered that as not connected...but could be.


20 posted on 08/05/2010 11:24:43 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Carry_Okie; Grampa Dave; ArmstedFragg; MIchaelTArchangel
OH ...this subthread at TOD could get interesting....links to the Huffington Post....that might be a tipoff.:

Started by snakehead on August 5, 2010 - 10:01am

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Bab Cesca rants about the USG's "nothing to see here, move along" PR pitch http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/the-bp-disaster-continues_b_6709...

Jerry Cope and Charles Hambleton, The Crime of the Century: What BP and the US Government Don't Want You to Know, Part I: "The Gulf of Mexico from the Source into the shore is a giant kill zone." [Note: disturbing photos] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jerry-cope/the-crime-of-the-century_b_6629...


21 posted on 08/05/2010 11:42:07 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The one that stands out to me is displacing the mud with sea water,...

What stands out for me was the sheer number of corners cut, from reviews to inspections, to procedures, to materials...

It strikes me that there were too many checks and balances in place for them all to have been ignored without the application of external forces, piling straw on the camel so to speak. This is especially true when it involves a potentially huge find with top-of-the-line equipment and personnel in a demanding environment. Nobody with a brain cuts corners in a situation like that and nobody without a brain gets to run a job like that. Yet in this case, it was definitely a massive group effort. How does that happen unless external forces were applied?

I have worked in the chemical processing industry. I can tell you that I have undergone such management pressures. Yet when I, as a lowly project engineer, whipped out a piece of paper and demanded a review, I got one, thus over-ruling a division VP in a Fortune 200 company. It may have cost me a promotion, but it did not cost me my job. In fact, not only did we succeed, but we were able to do truly innovative things with minimal review because we had transformed our relationships with the air quality people.

A drilling operation like this is far more bureaucratic. I just don't see how this kind of thing can happen without external forces applied, vigorously. Where I come from, people would quit their jobs before letting such things happen. At that point, the cat would be out of the bag. There would be memos, calls to reporters...

22 posted on 08/05/2010 11:43:07 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Government is an apex predator.)
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To: Carry_Okie

This is fun!! I had no idea there were conspiracy theories sprouting like weeds around the oil spill!

However, before we get too carried away, let’s not forget that 11 people died as a result of the oil well blow-out. The very people who were in charge of capping it. We’re these Bilterberger Suicide Bombers? Stupid fools who were sent knowingly to their death by people higher on the food chain? (But not too high, who ordered the sea-water cap? Did that person live??)

Enquiring minds want to know!


23 posted on 08/05/2010 12:00:14 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: thackney; Grampa Dave; Carry_Okie; Jack Black
Rockman at TOD started a subthread:

THE MORATORIUM MYTH

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Since we a little time to wait for the cmt results perhaps we can take a look at the politics involved and the continued economic impact on the economy of Louisiana. The following should irritate everyone whether you're for or against offshore drilling. It's about our govt playing all of us for fools. Not much in the news these days about the Deep Water moratorium the feds have been trying to implement. Way back in the beginning I pointed out that there was no need for an official moratorium if the feds wanted DW drilling to be suspended for a time. They could achieve the same results administratively if they so wanted. I'm going to skip the details of the permitting process...way to long and not important to understanding the lie.

The easiest way to show how the politicians are playing is to not even look at the DW situation. Let's focus on the shallow water (less than 500' water depth) drilling arena. The feds said they weren't going to impede drilling in those areas. Right! here's the publicly available numbers: shallow water drill permits approved in the three months prior to the BP blow out = 56. Permits approved in the 3 months after the blow out = 4. And 2 of those 4 were for wells to be sidetracked out of existing holes and thus weren't really new drills. An interesting point from the below article: "On top of that, one operator was told directly by a BOEMRE employee that he could not offer the slightest measure of flexibility in considering their permit application, as his job would be on the line if it came to light."

Forget the dishonest aspect of the situation. let's focus on the economy of Louisiana. The economic impact of the DW moratorium has already been covered in some detail: a loss of $12 - $15 billion in cash flow to local service companies (remember: the oil companies aren't losing any money by the moratorium) and as many as 40,000 lost jobs. But there are almost twice as many shallow water rigs in the GOM as there are DW rigs. We haven't begun to see the additional economic toll this will have on La. there is a time lag to consider. The shallow water wells drilling today had received their permits anywhere from 3 to 12 months before the BP accident. I can only guess but we should see the shallow water slump begin to slump in the next couple of months. And when the feds eventually start granted permits to pre-accident rates the turnaround will be very slow. Just like the DW rigs the SW water rigs are not just going to sit there and wait. There is an even greater demand overseas for shallow water rigs than DW rigs. Can't offer a guess but some percentage will be shipped overseas. And they won't be back for years.

Again, even if you're opposed to all offshore drilling you should be a tad upset at your govt for not being upfront about it. And, IMHO, this isn't even much of a PO issue. Sure, we'll lose some future production but that won't be the critical impact. It's going to be the economy and well being of the people of La. The neighbors to the eats, Alabama and Mississippi are well known for being two of the poorest states in the country. La. would rank right down there with them if it were not for the oil industry. everything has a price that must be paid. If we want to protect the offshore environment at all cost so be it. But it would be fair if the govt were honest and told the folks in La. that they were going to bear the brunt of that cost.

http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/2010/08/02/the-shallow-water-non-morato...

24 posted on 08/05/2010 12:24:21 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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25 posted on 08/05/2010 12:25:56 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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The graph above is from the Redstate article linked at post #24.


26 posted on 08/05/2010 12:27:21 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Grampa Dave
Your numbers 1 % 2 are right on the money. As to #3, IMHO, no amount of money in the world could buy those zealots out.

This is turning out to be what I had initially thought, a disaster no doubt, 11 good folks lost their lives, numbers injured and a huge leak at around 65,000 BOD. But like I told my children, the rivers flowing into the Gulf alone probably deliver 65 million barrels of water a day.

Oil is a naturally occurring substance, gets eaten by bacteria, evaporated by the sun and dispersed into Gulf water to the point of near insignificance. I think the enviros are shutting up because the "evidence" is not appearing as they have screamed and warned about.

27 posted on 08/05/2010 12:41:58 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (EPA will rule your life)
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To: BOBTHENAILER

“Oil is a naturally occurring substance, gets eaten by bacteria, evaporated by the sun and dispersed into Gulf water to the point of near insignificance. I think the enviros are shutting up because the “evidence” is not appearing as they have screamed and warned about.”

Reality and real science are the enemies of the lefty enviralists.


28 posted on 08/05/2010 1:03:16 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Ah yes... the old “giant kill zone” routine. It’s been interesting watching the tinfoil hat crowd dealing with its claims being disproved one by one. Given the choice between admitting they were wrong, and coming up with even wilder claims, they keep choosing the latter. I’ll bet the item today to the effect that the dispersant level normally found in the Mississippi is higher than the current level in the gulf has really driven them around the bend.


29 posted on 08/05/2010 1:27:00 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

On second thought, I think we’ve just found that “giant kill zone”, and it’s the giant economic kill zone that Rockman describes.


30 posted on 08/05/2010 1:30:13 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Jack Black; Avoiding_Sulla
This is fun!! I had no idea there were conspiracy theories sprouting like weeds around the oil spill!

Oh goody! Another shill throwing "conspiracy theory" around as if political collusion was an impossibility. Ya think there wasn't conspiracy involved between Germany and Russia over Poland? Sheesh.

There is sound reason for suspicion here:

Get back to me when you're done, and not before.
31 posted on 08/05/2010 1:37:19 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Government is an apex predator.)
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To: Carry_Okie; ArmstedFragg; Grampa Dave; BOBTHENAILER
New thread:

Scientists conclude spilled Macondo oil biodegrading quickly

32 posted on 08/05/2010 2:05:39 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Carry_Okie

Did you call me a shill?

Ha! Now that’s funny.

There are Conspiracys, of course, and then there are Conspiracy Theories, which are unproved conjectures about what may have happened.

There is no hard evidence offered here, only a wild-ass conjecture that it someehow might have helped BP to blow up their own well (which has cost them billions in bad publicity, billions in clean-up costs, billions in lost revenue from the ruined well, etc.)

In summary: I am not a shill, but you and anyone else who thinks this was intentional are delusional.

Have a great weekend. I’m leaving on vacation now (with my vast oil-company payoffs for defusing the crack investigators on FR who have discovered our terrible secret!! ha ha ha ha)


33 posted on 08/05/2010 2:07:10 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I would think that a light oil would degrade quickly, especially dispersed at the surface in warm water and sunlight, if only by evaporation. OTOH, it should be slower dispersed deep down to break up and stay at 1500m.
34 posted on 08/05/2010 2:11:42 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Government is an apex predator.)
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To: Jack Black
There are Conspiracys, of course, and then there are Conspiracy Theories, which are unproved conjectures about what may have happened.

Until the conspiracies were proven, discussions about them were conspiracy theories. That didn't make them foolish then either. Without a hypothesis, one doesn't know what to measure.

There is no hard evidence offered here, only a wild-ass conjecture that it someehow might have helped BP to blow up their own well (which has cost them billions in bad publicity, billions in clean-up costs, billions in lost revenue from the ruined well, etc.)

And stands to pay off in hundreds of billions (if not trillions) via exclusions and cap and trade. Nice try.

I was asked to speculate about what might be BP's motives. So I did.

In summary: I am not a shill, but you and anyone else who thinks this was intentional are delusional.

With a proof like that you are certifiable. You clearly did not avail yourself of one of those articles which are all fully documented with historical references to original sources. There is good reason to be suspicious here, which is all I offered, per request.

35 posted on 08/05/2010 2:19:36 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Government is an apex predator.)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel
Has the U.S. government done anything positive with respect to solving the problem?

No doubt they have formulated some back up plans if the BP Relief Well plans fail. That nut Simmons probably got wind of the worse case scenario and has been blowing the whole thing out of proportion. My 2 cents.

36 posted on 08/05/2010 4:02:03 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
It is not leaking...but portions of the BOP structure are however.

Right now the three main seals leaks in the stack have stopped leaking. At least two have, they have not shown us the one near the center of the BOP in awhile. They really could not anyway, since it was completely caked over with crud. It appears however that the main BOP leaks all stopped cold right around the time we were publicly notified that Thad gave the okay for cement.

They have had an ROV on the well head, where gas was leaking from valves, since they started the injectivity test and the Top Kill Mud process. Not once have I seen a live feed for what is going on down at the well head. That is one area where the outer casing leakage could have been forced up by the pressure of the inner casing Top Mud Kill. So we have no clue about outer casing leakage.

And I rarely know what the MSM crowd is even saying. Have no way to watch it. To me it is usually the Comedy Network anyway. Just invert what they say and you are closer to the truth.

37 posted on 08/05/2010 4:18:47 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
Thanks for the comments.

See #16 for an interesting conspiracy idea by Carry_Okie...which is not that far fetched after seeing the Global Warming Hoax .

38 posted on 08/05/2010 6:04:47 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Any thing is possible with these globalist freaks. The global warming hoax showed us how a large conspiracy could be pulled off. In this case however, there are additional aspects that should be considered. This well also contained a large amount of methane. One of the strongest green house gases. We have the drill pipe and inner casing of the well bore cemented, but that is only half the picture. Still need to cement the outer casing area to completely close the well. And we only will have BPs word that the Relief Well has worked. They could just declare victory and leave this well seeping large amounts of methane and oil through the loose sediments. Who could prove them wrong ? The environmentalists that are in Obama/BPs back pocket ? Over a few years the additional methane could have a global effect. In fact, here is an interesting wiki page talking about the Clathrate Gun Hypothesis. They could be implementing a very minor version of this theory. Not a planetary killer, but a planetary global warmer. Might explain all the skipping stone clathrates we see on the sea floor.

Clathrate gun hypothesis

BTW - Only posted this because you were asking for conspiratorial thoughts.

39 posted on 08/05/2010 7:34:20 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Jack Black; Ernest_at_the_Beach
There is no hard evidence offered here, only a wild-ass conjecture that it someehow might have helped BP to blow up their own well (which has cost them billions in bad publicity, billions in clean-up costs, billions in lost revenue from the ruined well, etc.)

I just received this by email, but it sums up BP's cash flow situation nicely, shill.

ACCOUNTING 101

It seems like a miracle that our leader was able to convince BP to establish a $20 billion escrow fund to compensate those hurt by the ongoing oil plume in the Gulf of Mexico. After all, he had no constitutional power to force them to do so.

Let us take a closer look at the effect on BP's 2010 finances:

  1. BP will establish a $20 billion fund, but will pay only $7 billion into it during 2010.
  2. BP is a British corporation, but has a very large operating entity in the US.
  3. By Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP), BP must book the entire $20 billion expense in the year accrued, i.e., year the liability is incurred. Therefore, they will book a $20 billion expense in 2010, reducing their US tax liability by $7 billion.
  4. Our anointed leader also convinced this massive corporation to show their concern for the "small people" by withholding dividends to their shareholders for the last 3 quarters of 2010. This reduces their outward cash flow by about $7.5 billion, including approximately 40% of that amount to US citizens. Assuming that the Bush tax cuts will survive through the end of 2010, the US Treasury will lose another $450 million in taxes on that amount. We won't even discuss the effect on the US economy.

Let us put the results into a table easily understood by the "little" people:

BP Cash Flow:

- Escrow funding ($7 billion)
- Dividend saving $7.5 billion
- Tax savings $7 billion
- Net favorable cash flow for 2010 to BP : $7.5 billion

U S Treasury Tax Receipts/Reductions:

- BP Corporate income tax (-$7.5 billion)
- BP Shareholders (-$0.45 billion)
- Net unfavorable tax receipts ($7.95 billion)

I guess we really should expect this. After all, our anointed leader is the most inexperienced man in any room he enters.

Scorecard:

BP Corporate Bean Counters - 1
Washington Tax Smart Guys - 0
American People - We Get BP (Bean Poop)

This isn't so hard to understand - BP made their largest political contributions to Obama's campaign. Obama plays politics acting tough on BP, and we pay.

Frankly, I admire BP for their deal making ability. They must have brought their accountants to the table. After all, BP is not a fly-by-night operation and Obama thought he and his minimal business experience tax people and accountants could take on BP.

I depart with the author that Obama had any intention of "taking on BP." He's a crook through-and-through.

This is not to mention the profits BP will make on the resulting shortages made without investing a dime in production.

I really get tired of useless idiots like you, Jack Black, but you serve a purpose. I get to show people how brain-dead the "all private enterprise is good" meme can be, because this isn't it. This is fascism, writ so large few can see it. Now, maybe you'll go back and peruse those links I posted for your benefit, eh sirrah?

40 posted on 08/06/2010 11:22:28 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Government is an apex predator.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Been off the boards for two days. Looks like they are not going to find any oil. People seemed to keep forgetting that the oil is going to biodegrade regardless of how thick it's column may be or how dispersed in volume conversely. What is still in the gulf will be no more perhaps in less then two or three months.
Meanwhile the GOM sea floor shall continue what it has done for a long time... slowly leak methane and oil.
41 posted on 08/06/2010 7:35:13 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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To: Carry_Okie; Marine_Uncle; justa-hairyape
Ugly scorecard ....but looks true.

man I am weary of all this ..tried to focus on today's Oil Drum and couldn't at all.

They seem to have put a lot of cement down the hole.

I have spent a lot of time this week waiting in lines at the DMV...what a crowd.

42 posted on 08/06/2010 8:54:01 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Marine_Uncle
Meanwhile the GOM sea floor shall continue what it has done for a long time... slowly leak methane and oil.

The ROV's that are supposed to be monitoring the sea floor basically park on the same exact spot or rise and move a few feet. Some have been in the same spot for a couple of days. If we do see a new oil seep appear, will probably shock the heck out of them. They should be doing systematic grid searches within a mile to 1 1/2 mile radius from the well. They did wide searches a few weeks ago and found some real interesting stuff.

43 posted on 08/06/2010 9:49:32 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Lots of cement ? They must be having some interesting leaks down at the wellhead, but are not willing to display them to the public. Oh well. Wonder if those old gas leaks are still occurring ?


44 posted on 08/06/2010 9:53:05 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I too have become a bit weary of the whole thing as probably many. The past few days due to mental and physical tiredness due to hard work shifts just did not have the energy to view anything here or elsewhere for that matter. At least they meet their objective in sealing the well.
But BP gave the Obama administration and goons like Pelosi the perfect opportunity to now further control the oil/gas industry. We can only groan as to where this all will eventually lead from the regulation stand point.
45 posted on 08/06/2010 10:06:12 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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