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Gun safety training leaves much preparedness to be desired(barf alert)
washingtonpost.com ^ | 3 August, 2010 | Courtland Milloy

Posted on 08/05/2010 1:25:33 PM PDT by marktwain

As a first step toward getting a permit to carry a concealed handgun in Virginia, I recently completed a state-approved firearms safety class. Might as well get my Roscoe and shoulder holster ready because I nailed that test.

"Let's say I'm walking alone on a street, minding my own business, got my legally concealed handgun and a lady comes out of nowhere and attacks me with a butcher knife," said Jim Reynolds, a National Rifle Association certified gun safety instructor who conducted the class. "Would I be justified in using my weapon?"

I'd almost forgotten about that particular threat -- the crazed butcher woman out of nowhere. Terminate with extreme prejudice, Jim.

"But what if she's next to a school and there are children on the playground behind her?" Reynolds added. "Is that a shot I want to take?"

Someone in the class said no, "try to disarm her instead." Another advised: "Just run away." And all I'm seeing is two classmates down -- one stabbed in the front, and the other with a knife in the back -- when all they had to do was pull their gats and smoke that dame.

Jeepers creepers, I can't wait to get my concealed gun permit.

The firearms safety class was held this past weekend as part of a gigantic gun and knife show at the Dulles Expo Center in Chantilly. At first, I just wanted to learn more about the Virginia law that went into effect last month allowing concealed-gun permit holders to go armed into restaurants and bars as long as they don't drink.

Who, besides a trained law enforcement officer, would even want to do such a thing?

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; gun; va
A bunch of silly non-arguments made by a silly anto-freedom type at the wapo.
1 posted on 08/05/2010 1:25:36 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
...when all they had to do was pull their gats and smoke that dame.

This guy's been reading too much Mickey Spillane.

2 posted on 08/05/2010 1:28:28 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: marktwain
So go unarmed, you dumba$$ waste-of-skin lib.

You know, when I finally seize absolute control, there won't be any such things as "Democrat gunowners" anyway, so relax.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

3 posted on 08/05/2010 1:29:29 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: marktwain

A 3rd option would have been to shoot the knife out of her hand, being sure to hit between the 3rd and 4th fingers and making sure the bullet hit the knife handle firmly so as not to ricochet and hit bystanders. /s


4 posted on 08/05/2010 1:30:25 PM PDT by umgud (Obama is a failed experiment.)
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To: marktwain

Elementary martial arts stuff take the woman out by snapping her arm at the elbow , then kick her in the head a few times to make sure she stays down and maybe it will knock some of the crazy out of her


5 posted on 08/05/2010 1:32:23 PM PDT by scottteng ( IMPEACH OBAMA and elect Snitker as Florida Senator)
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To: marktwain
At first, I just wanted to learn more about the Virginia law that went into effect last month allowing concealed-gun permit holders to go armed into restaurants and bars as long as they don't drink.

Who, besides a trained law enforcement officer, would even want to do such a thing?

Obviously not funny effeminate writers. He should stay in D.C. with the rest of his kind - National Socialist Democrats. They don't tolerate no concealed carry in the District. Very safe place.

6 posted on 08/05/2010 1:36:01 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (It's easy being a communist when you're rich.)
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To: marktwain
"If your weapon won't fire because two cartridges are jammed," he said, simulating the trouble with fake bullets in a chamber of his .40-caliber Glock semiautomatic, "pull the slide back, remove the magazine and . . . "

Or you could carry a revolver and just pull the trigger again.

7 posted on 08/05/2010 1:36:03 PM PDT by Hugin (Remember the first rule of gunfighting...have a gun..-- Col. Jeff Cooper)
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To: marktwain
the magazine -- the part of the gun that holds the bullets

What contempt this clown has for his readers. Can you imagine a sports reporter writing "the hoop -- the circle the players try to throw the basketball into" or a travel reporter writing "the ticket -- the document the passenger presents to show that he has paid for the trip"?

8 posted on 08/05/2010 1:36:36 PM PDT by detritus
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To: marktwain

Who, besides a trained law enforcement officer, would even want to do such a thing?

Any American Citizen that believes in the US Constitution and realizes that when seconds count to save your family or yourself the Police are minutes away!


9 posted on 08/05/2010 1:38:32 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA
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To: marktwain
Might as well get my Roscoe

Terminate with extreme prejudice, Jim.

all they had to do was pull their gats and smoke that dame.

I really have trouble respecting folks who use that kind of language. They just come across as ignorant fools.

10 posted on 08/05/2010 1:38:32 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: detritus

Well, to be fair, the average liberal Washington Post reader probably doesn’t know squat about guns.


11 posted on 08/05/2010 1:39:54 PM PDT by Hugin (Remember the first rule of gunfighting...have a gun..-- Col. Jeff Cooper)
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To: marktwain
Perhaps I should really scare the willies out of this little Nancy-Boy and tell him that in my state, you can get a CCW without any training, because it is assumed to be your personal responsibility.
12 posted on 08/05/2010 1:40:13 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: detritus
What contempt this clown has for his readers.

He's writing for the Washington comPost. Many of the readers are effete urban weaklings, like himself. He probably just learned all that, and his assumption that they don't know is probably accurate of a large percentage of the subscribers.

13 posted on 08/05/2010 1:41:54 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: marktwain

At first, I just wanted to learn more about the Virginia law that went into effect last month allowing concealed-gun permit holders to go armed into restaurants and bars as long as they don’t drink.

Who, besides a trained law enforcement officer, would even want to do such a thing?”

Well, there you go. Best to hide under the table while waiting on a trained LEO to arrive and save the day.

Oh and btw, some of those trained LEO’s if they ever do arrive aren’t too handy when it comes to those type situations.


14 posted on 08/05/2010 1:42:13 PM PDT by bereanway
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To: andy58-in-nh

I thought you didn’t need a permit in NH?


15 posted on 08/05/2010 1:42:25 PM PDT by Hugin (Remember the first rule of gunfighting...have a gun..-- Col. Jeff Cooper)
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To: marktwain

I like the sneering remark about the magazine falling to the floor during an attempt to clear a stove pipe jam —

“Virginia doesn’t require you to know anything about the workings of the gun you’re concealing. But Reynolds still gave us a heads-up on common firearm malfunctions and tips on how to fix them while being attacked by a crackhead with a baseball bat.

“If your weapon won’t fire because two cartridges are jammed,” he said, simulating the trouble with fake bullets in a chamber of his .40-caliber Glock semiautomatic, “pull the slide back, remove the magazine and . . . “

“Oops . . . no, I didn’t,” he whispered as the magazine — the part of the gun that holds the bullets — slipped from his fingers and fell to the floor. And as he bent down to retrieve it, I could almost hear that Louisville Slugger whistling through the air.

If a gun safety instructor with more than 12 years of law enforcement experience could mess up a gun fix during a classroom demo, you can imagine what’ll happen to a novice gunslinger when his heat misfires during a real fight.”

OK, on my P220 (which does get stovepipe jams from time to time when I a practicing with snap caps) I eject the mag, (yes it falls) rack the slide twice, and then I load a second mag from my waist.

Jam solved.

But the instructor oughtta either better explain the process or practice the jam clearing demo more often ;-)

Then I pick up the fallen mag.


16 posted on 08/05/2010 1:42:28 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: The Comedian

These people don’t even realize how arrogant and condescending they sound. It’s damned near impossible to satirize them anymore.


17 posted on 08/05/2010 1:44:21 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Hugin

Maybe, but remember, Stephen Hunter wrote for the rag. Maybe he still does.


18 posted on 08/05/2010 1:45:05 PM PDT by battlecry
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To: Hugin

Or carry a USP and not worry about jams.


19 posted on 08/05/2010 1:46:25 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop thinking about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Hugin

You do not need a license to own a firearm in NH, but you do need a concealed carry permit for handguns, the issuance of which is contingent upon the completion of an application to your town’s Chief of Police and the payment of a small fee ($10-15) every 4-5 years. You cannot be rejected in the absence of a qualifying reason (e.g. - evidence of mental illness, a felony conviction, a restraining order).


20 posted on 08/05/2010 2:01:26 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

What about open carry?


21 posted on 08/05/2010 2:11:06 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: marktwain

Just another brain dead, brain washed leftist trying to be funny.


22 posted on 08/05/2010 3:08:53 PM PDT by SkipW
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To: SECURE AMERICA
… when seconds count to save your family or yourself the Police are minutes away!

We recently had a case in nearby York County.
A man was angry at his ex. He grabbed her at work (a Wal-Mart optical shop) and held her at knife point. Every time someone looked at them through the glass he stabbed her. The store was evacuated, police called. SWAT arrived. The hostage negotiator went to work. The woman had been stabbed several times and was bleeding from a number of wounds. The SWAT team watched. The man was arrested without injury. She’s in critical condition.

23 posted on 08/05/2010 3:20:22 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: facedown
This guy's been reading too much Mickey Spillane.

It's a way of making fun of himself while trying to make fun of us.

24 posted on 08/05/2010 3:29:02 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: bereanway
Oh and btw, some of those trained LEO’s if they ever do arrive aren’t too handy when it comes to those type situations.

And/or, may stay outside crouching behind their cars when they DO arrive, cause, you know, there's people in there shooting guns!

25 posted on 08/05/2010 3:32:31 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: OneWingedShark

Open carry is legal throughout New Hampshire, with the exception of specified locations (e.g. - school grounds, courthouses) that are also prohibited from concealed carry. I have carried openly on a number of occasions without incident, although my preference is for concealment.


26 posted on 08/05/2010 3:54:42 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

Interesting, thanks for the info.


27 posted on 08/05/2010 4:26:30 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: marktwain

Being a walking unarmed target leaves much to be desired.

Fixed it!


28 posted on 08/05/2010 5:39:23 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Anti-Gunners suffer from Factose Intolerance)
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To: marktwain
Courtland Milloy is an idiot and to stupid to attend a firearms training class. And heaven help us if he actually touches a gun.
29 posted on 08/05/2010 8:56:09 PM PDT by Lancer_N3502A
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To: VeniVidiVici

Fla. deputy shoots himself in leg during training

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2563056/posts

“Who, besides a trained law enforcement officer, would even want to do such a thing?”


30 posted on 08/06/2010 11:06:07 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (drain the swamp! ( then napalm it and pave it over ))
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To: marktwain
I just wanted to learn more about the Virginia law that went into effect last month allowing concealed-gun permit holders to go armed into restaurants and bars as long as they don't drink.

Once again, the Washington Compost displays the stupidity of its columnists. It's been legal for many years for Virginians to go armed into a restaurant that serves alcohol and even drink with open carry - whether they have a concealed carry permit or not.

The new law merely allows concealed carry permit holders to carry concealed in an establishment that serves alcohol. Before, they had to shift to open carry or leave the firearm in the car or at home.

And there are no bars in Virginia, the closest we have is restaurants that serve alcohol.
31 posted on 08/06/2010 8:30:21 PM PDT by javachip
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To: WOBBLY BOB
Fla. deputy shoots himself in leg during training

I'm glad I went to go check out the article. I had assumed it was that infamous DEA agent shooting himself. Yeah, reading comprehension goes down after midnight :-)

32 posted on 08/06/2010 10:13:36 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (It's easy being a communist when you're rich.)
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