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USS Peleliu commander fired under suspicion for improper relationships with crew
Stars and Stripes ^ | August 16, 2010 | Erik Slavin

Posted on 08/16/2010 7:01:26 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

YOKOSUKA NAVAL BASE, Japan — The captain of the San Diego-based amphibious assault ship USS Peleliu was relieved of command Sunday during an investigation into improper relationships with his crewmembers.

Navy investigators are probing allegations that Capt. David A. Schnell “acted in an unprofessional manner toward several crew members that was inappropriate, improper and unduly familiar,” according to a Navy news release.

Vice Adm. Mark Fox, commander of U.S. Naval Forces Central Command and 5th Fleet, officially relieved Schnell on Sunday due to loss of confidence in his ability to command, according to the release.

Capt. Mark E. Cedrun, chief of staff for Expeditionary Strike Group 3, will temporarily command the USS Peleliu until a permanent replacement is named, according to the news release.

Peleliu is currently aiding in relief efforts to flood-ravaged Pakistan, according to Navy reports. Marine Corps helicopters aboard the ship have the strength to lift 16 tons of food and equipment to the millions of people displaced by the disaster, the Navy said.

Schnell is the 12th commanding officer to be relieved in 2010. The Navy removed seven commanding officers between Jan. 1 and March 15 alone. Seventeen commanders were relieved in 2009.

Reasons for the firings this year have ranged from public alcohol abuse and prostitute solicitation to running a ship into a pier.

(Excerpt) Read more at stripes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
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1 posted on 08/16/2010 7:01:27 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Zipper malfunction again?


2 posted on 08/16/2010 7:04:09 PM PDT by DeusExMachina05 (I will not go into Dhimmitude quietly.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Was Massa present and was there a tickle fight......?


3 posted on 08/16/2010 7:04:27 PM PDT by edpc (Ruck Famadan)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“running a ship into a pier”

oops


4 posted on 08/16/2010 7:09:18 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Don’t ask, don’t tell.


5 posted on 08/16/2010 7:11:17 PM PDT by hgro (Jerry Riversdun)
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To: driftdiver

John F. Kennedy ran a PT boat into a pier and he didn’t get fired.


6 posted on 08/16/2010 7:11:44 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Free ThinkerNY

What is he alledged to have done which caused his releif?


7 posted on 08/16/2010 7:12:19 PM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: yarddog

It never ceased to amaze me that Kennedy could get his PT Boat sliced in two by a Japanese destroyer — a ship that is much bigger, slower and less maneuverable than a PT boat — and somehow come out a hero for it.


8 posted on 08/16/2010 7:21:36 PM PDT by Ronin (If it weren’t so gruesomely malevolent, Islam would just be silly.)
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To: Ronin

I met a man in Tulsa who was a Captain in the same squadron as Kennedy. He said Kennedy was well liked but getting rammed was the worst thing that could happen to a PT boat. They were the fastest thing on the sea.

I think Kennedy did act heroically after the boat was rammed but he probably should have been at least court marshalled for that.


9 posted on 08/16/2010 7:25:56 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Hey feed some Americans First!!!!


10 posted on 08/16/2010 7:26:02 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Male or female crew members?


11 posted on 08/16/2010 7:30:35 PM PDT by Montanabound
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To: Ronin

Because of daddy?


12 posted on 08/16/2010 7:33:17 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: yarddog

It’s hard to imagine how it even happened.

Either they were not standing watch very good or they were dead in the water and the destroyer rammed them intentionally.

But, if they were DIW, ramming would not be necessary. A single shell from a five-incher would blow a PT boat to hell and gone.


13 posted on 08/16/2010 7:33:39 PM PDT by Ronin (If it weren’t so gruesomely malevolent, Islam would just be silly.)
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To: yarddog

JFK ran his PT boat in to a destoryer, too.


14 posted on 08/16/2010 7:37:18 PM PDT by quikdrw (Life is tough....it's even tougher if you are stupid.)
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To: yarddog
Chester W. Nimitz

"..While Nimitz was a 22-year-old ensign in the Philippines and conning the destroyer Decatur, his ship ran aground on a mudbank. However, he successfully rescued a man overboard when the ship ran into the mudbank. Nimitz was court-martialed and convicted of hazarding a Navy ship and received a letter of reprimand.[4].."

15 posted on 08/16/2010 7:38:03 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Free ThinkerNY

We always knew he was whoopsie.

16 posted on 08/16/2010 7:38:40 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: yarddog

JFK was a Kennedy. The rules don’t apply.


17 posted on 08/16/2010 7:39:09 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Ronin

I read a transcript of an interview of the Japanese Captain of the destroyer. It was made some time ago. He definitely rammed the PT boat on purpose. Their lookout spotted it but Kennedy’s did not spot the far larger destroyer.

The Kennedy PT boat was running with several others specifically for the purpose to spot Japanese ships. That is what looks so bad in that trying to see Japanese ships was what they were supposed to be doing yet let one ram them.


18 posted on 08/16/2010 7:40:05 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Ronin
It never ceased to amaze me that Kennedy could get his PT Boat sliced in two by a Japanese destroyer — a ship that is much bigger, slower and less maneuverable than a PT boat — and somehow come out a hero for it.

IIRC, his father hired people to research this incident and figure out a way to whitewash it. There may have been involvement in the War Department. Joe Kennedy was very influential back then, and was showered with sympathy after the death of his eldest son Joe, who ironically was the victim of another equipment-related failure, and is also remembered as a hero.

19 posted on 08/16/2010 7:48:43 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I’m retired Navy. During my duty time I observed several lousy COs. Most COs I served under were good officers, but some were incompetent; others totally self-centered. The problem has always been flag meddling. Admirals would pick a favorite junior and then mentor him/her up the ranks until they got command. Bad behavior or incompetence were swept under the rug. Once they got command, their bad behavior or stupidity would become public. The reverse was also true. One of my Navy buddies was a real “water walker;” just superb in every way. However, he married a woman he met in the Philippines, to which an admiral objected based upon the admiral’s prejudices. My friend was never given the command he so richly deserved because of several bad marks in “leadership” due to his marriage. That the pace of reliefs of command has accelerated shows both that this has not stopped and that the Navy now reacts like a frightened dog to any negative news. It’s a true mess. Obama’s hatred of the military just makes it worse; his guys look for examples of bad behavior in the military som the Left can demand action be taken. The fact that Obama is unfit to sweep a deck just adds a layer of hypocracy.


20 posted on 08/16/2010 7:49:33 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: Montanabound

My question, too.


21 posted on 08/16/2010 7:50:53 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: yarddog
John F. Kennedy ran a PT boat into a pier and he didn’t get fired.

Kennedy's father -- the vile, Hitler-loving, professional gangster -- fixed JFK's mistakes. He was going to be court-martialed for shutting-down his boat's engines and being rammed by a Japanese destroyer. But The Old Bastard Joe Kennedy got that changed to a medal for heroism.

22 posted on 08/16/2010 7:52:34 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: yarddog

“I think Kennedy did act heroically after the boat was rammed but he probably should have been at least court marshalled for that.”

Actually, non other than Douglas McArthur wanted to court marshall Kennedy for disobeying orders and leaving the engine in his PT boat running while waiting for the Jap boats. (He was talked out of the court marshall for political reasons.) With the noise of the motor and the moonless night, Kennedy didn’t see or hear the destroyer approaching until it was too late.


23 posted on 08/16/2010 8:26:36 PM PDT by pelican001
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To: Ronin; yarddog; Free ThinkerNY; hgro

>>> Don’t ask, don’t tell.

Reading between the lines, it doesn’t sound like it. Overly familiar and undignified captain perhaps playing favorites, but less then what you suggest.

>>> It never ceased to amaze me that Kennedy could get his PT Boat sliced in two by a Japanese destroyer — a ship that is much bigger, slower and less maneuverable than a PT boat

The PT flotilla was on patrol looking for Japanese ships. To conserve fuel the squadron leader ordered the group to cut motors and drift.

There was an article analyzing the incident by the Naval Institute several years ago. They theorize when the radarless boat did spot the destroyer and attempted to throttle up, the engineer failed to open a ventilator feeding the motors and the oxygen starved motors failed to quickly engage. If I recall correctly this engineer they point at was the same burned man Kennedy dragged through the water.

Court martial was contemplated but Kennedy’s actions saving his injured and leading his shipwrecked crew, coupled with the political pull of the family, plus the need at the time for photogenic heroes put an end to that.

In any event the Navy retained confidence in Kennedy. He was given another boat and returned to action commanding a gunboat, as the PTs were being converted in the absence of suitable targets for their torpedoes.


24 posted on 08/16/2010 8:44:45 PM PDT by tlb
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To: pelican001

The ramming and loss of PT=109 was officially investigated by a intel officer named Byron White. Fifteen years later JFK appointed him to the Supreme Court.

Small world, eh?


25 posted on 08/16/2010 9:10:48 PM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I’m not asking and I guess he’s not telling.


26 posted on 08/17/2010 3:55:18 AM PDT by erman (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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27 posted on 08/17/2010 6:27:05 AM PDT by magslinger (DISCLAIMER: No liberals were harmed in the making of this post. I'm sorry and will try harder.)
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To: driftdiver

NEVER get into any land, sea or air conveyance with a Kennedy.


28 posted on 08/17/2010 7:14:04 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug

Hey at least we know one stopped drinking....


29 posted on 08/17/2010 7:21:08 AM PDT by Quick Shot
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To: yarddog

Good summary, and I expect the Kennedy political pull, in combination with the former, prevented the latter.


30 posted on 08/17/2010 8:09:32 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

IIRC, wasn’t the BB USS Missouri run aground off of VA in the 50’s...took several days for tugs to pull her off...


31 posted on 08/17/2010 10:34:57 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

US Navy has 294 ships....17 commanders were relieved in 2009, looks to be about the same number this year...that more than 5% EACH YEAR...this is RELIEVED, yanked off the bridge..cashiered..what the heck does that say about the selection process...?


32 posted on 08/17/2010 10:40:32 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: ken5050

like that female admiral married to an enlisted man?


33 posted on 08/17/2010 10:47:40 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ken5050

I don’t know.


34 posted on 08/17/2010 11:11:12 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Free ThinkerNY

We never should have brought females to the fleet. And now we’re putting them on subs.


35 posted on 08/17/2010 9:37:00 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: DesScorp; Free ThinkerNY
From http://www.susankatzkeating.com/2010/08/truly-remarkable-officer-navy-capt.html (bold emphasis in the quote below is mine):

According to several sources, Schnell was fired for sexually harassing male sailors. One former crewmember with continued ties to the Peleliu says Schnell had a reputation for preying on young enlisted men. Reportedly, the skipper regularly “rewarded” potential targets with chits entitling them to a day off from duty, along with a private lunch with Schnell himself in the Inport Cabin. Schnell described these tete-a-tetes as “the highlight of my week.” Each “Sailor of the Week” was offered niceties not otherwise enjoyed on board ship. “The CO had a type,” one observer reports. “He liked them boyish and slim.” In one glowing internal newsletter, Schnell wrote of one honoree, “I could not be more pleased with [name deleted]’s performance.” The young sailor was allowed to bring a friend of his choosing. Schnell wrote: “This is really for my benefit of course....”

36 posted on 08/18/2010 10:49:29 PM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (...he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one... Luke 22:36)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Don’t ask, don’t Schnell.


37 posted on 08/18/2010 10:52:15 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: pabianice
I'm retired USN. Your comments are bang on. I watched so many “O’s” get ahead because of “face time and boot licking” and not because they were leadership material.

Lot's of solid players said “bye bye” after their payback (aviation) time and took their leadership and people skills to civy street. Major loss to the USN.

What worries me today is that PC and AA are really being pushed in the advancement game. I worry that in a few years a lot of blue jackets are going to get hurt because we have put into the CO’s spot a leader based on their gender or color not their qualification. JMHO

38 posted on 08/21/2010 6:59:32 AM PDT by lowbuck (The Blue Card (US Passport) Don't leave home without it.)
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To: exit82

That’s pretty good! WIsh I’d thought of it! : )


39 posted on 08/30/2010 11:57:03 AM PDT by SusanKatzKeating (Admit nothing; deny everything; make counteraccusations)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Reasons for the firings this year have ranged from public alcohol abuse and prostitute solicitation to running a ship into a pier.

Just an average weekend at my yacht club...

40 posted on 08/30/2010 11:59:57 AM PDT by Snardius
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To: yarddog

Had he not been a Kennedy, he would have been Court Marshalled. Hell, his little brother got away with murder.


41 posted on 08/30/2010 12:03:48 PM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: ken5050

Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950_USS_Missouri_grounding_incident


42 posted on 08/30/2010 12:10:13 PM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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