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What About the Ground Zero Church? Archdiocese Says Officials Abandoned Project
FoxNews.com ^ | August 17, 2010 | Judson Berger

Posted on 08/17/2010 1:58:53 PM PDT by goldendays

The Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America accused New York officials on Tuesday of turning their backs on the reconstruction of the only church destroyed in the Sept. 11 attacks, while the controversial mosque near Ground Zero moves forward.

The sidelined project is the St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church, a tiny, four-story building destroyed in 2001 when one of the World Trade Center towers fell on top of it.

Nobody from the church was hurt in the attack, but the congregation has for the past decade been trying to rebuild its house of worship. While the mosque project cleared red tape earlier this month, negotiations between government officials and the church stalled last year -- and have stayed that way.

Though the particulars of the two projects are completely different and on the surface unrelated, the church and its supporters see a disconnect in the way the proposals have been handled. An archdiocese official said Tuesday that the situation has created "consternation" for those still struggling to jump-start talks over the church. "We have people that are saying, why isn't our church being rebuilt and why is there ... such concern for people of the mosque?"

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 911; church; goc; orthodox

1 posted on 08/17/2010 1:58:58 PM PDT by goldendays
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To: goldendays

The only option for the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America would be to say they are building a mosque. They’d get their permit in no time flat.


2 posted on 08/17/2010 2:02:15 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; vooch; ...

3 posted on 08/17/2010 2:02:34 PM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: goldendays

NOTE TO GREEK ORTHODOX ARCHDIOCESE: They are Muslim. You are Christian. They get to build.You dont’Welcome to OBAMA world.


4 posted on 08/17/2010 2:03:56 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: goldendays
This is positively heartbreaking. Oh New York City what are you doing?
5 posted on 08/17/2010 2:04:48 PM PDT by BenLurkin (Will must be the harder, courage the bolder, spirit must be the more, as our might lessens.)
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To: goldendays

“why is there such concern for people of the mosque?”

BECAUSE NYC’S ELITE ARE GUTLESS COWARDS, AFRAID OF ANGERING MUSLIMS!!!

That’s why.


6 posted on 08/17/2010 2:04:59 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: goldendays

Let’s see what the liberals have to say.


7 posted on 08/17/2010 2:06:17 PM PDT by montyspython
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

They are just toadies doing the work of Mayor bloomberg ~ and that means NO MORE CHRISTIAN CHURCHES IN MANHATTAN IF HE CAN HELP IT.


8 posted on 08/17/2010 2:06:33 PM PDT by muawiyah
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9 posted on 08/17/2010 2:06:49 PM PDT by BenLurkin (Will must be the harder, courage the bolder, spirit must be the more, as our might lessens.)
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updated 7/24/2008 2:33:39 AM ET

NEW YORK — The World Trade Center site’s owner has offered $20 million to acquire the 1,200-square-foot lot of a church destroyed on Sept. 11, freeing one more piece of land needed to rebuild every inch of ground zero.

The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey’s board was to consider a complicated land deal with the St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church at a board meeting Thursday. The leaders of the 300-member congregation have been negotiating with the Port Authority for years over a price for the site where the church stood before the trade center’s south tower collapsed onto it on Sept. 11, 2001.

The church agreed to rebuild on a smaller lot a few blocks east.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25825608/


10 posted on 08/17/2010 2:07:43 PM PDT by BenLurkin (Will must be the harder, courage the bolder, spirit must be the more, as our might lessens.)
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To: BenLurkin

“The church agreed to rebuild on a smaller lot a few blocks east.”

This is a crying shame. Probably too the church won’t get near the actual value of the property.


11 posted on 08/17/2010 2:12:20 PM PDT by Humal
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To: Humal
Here's the church's web site:

www.stnicholasnyc.com

12 posted on 08/17/2010 2:17:38 PM PDT by Heatseeker (Elizabeth Cheney for President)
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To: goldendays

13 posted on 08/17/2010 2:21:20 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: pnh102

A VICTORY Mosque. Fill out the paperwork as a moque and they say oh it is church.

Where is the media?


14 posted on 08/17/2010 2:22:24 PM PDT by Frantzie (Obama & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE)
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To: montyspython

‘Let’s see what the liberals have to say.’

<< crickets >>


15 posted on 08/17/2010 2:26:56 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: montyspython

Gosh, I am still waiting for MS Fox News (TV) to report this...and for it to be covered by radio talk shows. The liberal silence is not shocking....its the silence from the right about the problems St Nicholas is having getting its church rebuilt...while the Islamics get their Terrorist Hall of Fame approved


16 posted on 08/17/2010 2:30:35 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (JD for Senate ..... jdforsenate.com. You either voting for JD, or voting for the Liberal...)
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To: potlatch

wow, really liked your video, potlatch. Your pix were definantly worth more than a thousand words.


17 posted on 08/17/2010 2:30:56 PM PDT by Deo confidimus
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To: Deo confidimus

Thanks so much Ceo confidimus! Makes it worthwhile!


18 posted on 08/17/2010 2:33:03 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: potlatch

No prob, xpecially liked when Bin Laden’s head appeared on Obama’s. :D lol


19 posted on 08/17/2010 2:36:43 PM PDT by Deo confidimus
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To: goldendays

This is an outrage!....All for political motive. Just so these damn radical liberals could say: “In your face, America!”


20 posted on 08/17/2010 2:38:40 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Deo confidimus

[xpecially liked when Bin Laden’s head appeared on Obama’s]

Me too. I should make it go a bit faster though.


21 posted on 08/17/2010 2:41:46 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: potlatch

Your post says it all.


22 posted on 08/17/2010 2:42:16 PM PDT by EverOnward
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To: goldendays

Greece is Bankrupt, Saudis are not, Follow the petrodollars funding crazy extremists.


23 posted on 08/17/2010 2:44:33 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: EverOnward

[Your post says it all.]

Thank you, that was my hope and I appreciate your comment!


24 posted on 08/17/2010 2:49:45 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: goldendays

A second American revolution cannot come fast enough . . . and this time we make the Constitution stick.


25 posted on 08/17/2010 3:09:28 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: BenLurkin
....The church agreed to rebuild on a smaller lot a few blocks east. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25825608/

According to George Demos, that was all a Port Authority lie. They lied again in a recent Wall Street journal article, saying "the church is free to rebuild anytime". Not true. The Port Authority has taken their land and provided them with nothing in return other than bureaucratic roadblocks.

Demos has started a petition to ask Obama to defend the rebuilding St. Nicholas Church", for everyone to sign.

I'm Orthodox (although not Greek), but I'd say this if I were a Presbyterian: If we can't stop the mosque from being built, then let's overshadow it with the biggest cross and church possible with St. Nicholas' through our donations! Even Saudi donations can't outdo a united American Christian front on this issue!

26 posted on 08/17/2010 3:15:51 PM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: BenLurkin
By contrast, the same imam has a mosque a few miles away already, and they are ready to give him funds/land to move the proposed mosque a couple block. This Church was destroyed by the towers falling, and they want to move it a few blocks away?? After giving them a hard time for 10 YEARS!!!

Hypocrisy!!

27 posted on 08/17/2010 3:59:12 PM PDT by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

EXACTLY!! As much coverage as the mosque is getting, NO MENTION of this Church. Incredible!


28 posted on 08/17/2010 4:01:04 PM PDT by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Bokababe
Port Authority lie

I kind of suspected as much.

29 posted on 08/17/2010 4:41:45 PM PDT by BenLurkin (Will must be the harder, courage the bolder, spirit must be the more, as our might lessens.)
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To: goldendays

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30 posted on 08/17/2010 5:38:37 PM PDT by PMAS
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To: Ad Orientam; antonius; aposiopetic; arielguard; blinachka; bob808; branicap; Calabash; ...
Orthodox Ping!


31 posted on 08/17/2010 5:39:48 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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To: Heatseeker
Thank you for the link. It was such a beautiful church. It breaks my heart to read this, and I know it must be even more so for its members. If it's any consolation, we've had churches in our area (central Florida) destroyed by fire, arson, tornadoes, hurricanes, etc., and the minister and/or deacons will say, “It's not the building that makes a church, it's the people.” Also, the fate of the church was brought up on Rush's show yesterday and today. Maybe if more people learn of this, something can be done before it's sold, or is it too late? I've heard they are “negotiating”, and I've heard it's sold.
32 posted on 08/17/2010 6:58:32 PM PDT by Humal
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To: Humal
If it's any consolation, we've had churches in our area (central Florida) destroyed by fire, arson, tornadoes, hurricanes, etc

Apples & Florida Oranges.

Acts of nature vs. act of human EVIL.

33 posted on 08/17/2010 7:17:03 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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To: goldendays; Jim Robinson

It seems to me that this site should do all it can to bring this story to light. I just did a Google News search and got a “Show all 3 stories” link t click on.

ALL 3 STORIES? You have to be kidding. This should be front page news.

Newberger


34 posted on 08/17/2010 8:54:34 PM PDT by newberger (Put not your trust in princes, in sons of men in whom there is no salvation.)
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To: lightman
“Acts of nature vs. act of human EVIL.”

Not necessarily. Several of the churches were deliberately torched (all of one was burnt EXCEPT the altar). Their ministers/deacons all said “it's not the building that makes a church, it's the people”. All that they reported on held services outside the next Sunday.

It would be extremely hard to lose St. Nicholas. As old as that church is, I imagine people have grown up in it; married in it; had their babies christened there; and their final services. Probably, generations of families have attended.

Hopefully, with the attention they are receiving, something can be done to preserve and restore the building.

35 posted on 08/17/2010 10:12:23 PM PDT by Humal
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To: goldendays

This guy is trying to do the 9-11 Christian Center at Ground Zero


36 posted on 08/17/2010 10:19:27 PM PDT by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...
"The church continues to have the right to rebuild at their original site, and we will pay fair market value for the underground space beneath that building," a spokesperson with the Port Authority told Fox News.

But Karloutsos called the Port Authority's claims "propaganda" and said the church has complied with all conditions. He said the government should honor agreements that date back to 2004, under former New York Gov. George Pataki.

Pataki, speaking with Fox News on Tuesday, agreed that the church should be rebuilt.

Catholic Ping
Please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


37 posted on 08/18/2010 6:09:33 AM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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To: goldendays
Aside from the sarcastic posts I read here, Many of you are allowing history to repeat itself right before your very eyes.

If this Church were any other Christian denomination other than Orthodox Christians, and if you really had a knowledge of what Eastern Christians endured in the fight against islam,your postings would not be so glib.

As a courtesy I will post a link for you to check out.

38 posted on 08/18/2010 7:37:56 AM PDT by gitmogrunt
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To: gitmogrunt

http://www.greek-genocide.org/index1.html


39 posted on 08/18/2010 7:39:10 AM PDT by gitmogrunt
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To: Humal; gitmogrunt

All Christian denominations must stand together in these times. This story needs more attention.


40 posted on 08/18/2010 5:09:54 PM PDT by Heatseeker (Elizabeth Cheney for President)
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To: Heatseeker
Bret Bier had a couple of segments on his show tonight. Sorry, but you have to sit through campaign ads first (I suggest you mute your computer).

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4314371/mosque-debate-draws-attention-to-destroyed-church

There was another segment too, but I can't find it now.

From Aug. 2

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4299992/

41 posted on 08/18/2010 7:24:39 PM PDT by Humal
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To: Humal

Thanks for the links. Hopefully this is getting out via the Greek-American community and the orthodox churches as well as Fox. It smells to high heaven that a mosque would be built when a church cannot be RE-built.


42 posted on 08/19/2010 2:50:38 AM PDT by Heatseeker (Elizabeth Cheney for President)
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To: Heatseeker

Fr. Arey was just on (7:30 a.m.) Fox and Friends talking about the rebuilding of St. Nicholas. Steve requested people e-mail in to say what they think of St. Nicholas’ being denied to rebuild on their own property.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/18/leaders-disappointed-government-declares-deal-rebuild-ground-zero-church-dead/


43 posted on 08/19/2010 4:38:57 AM PDT by Humal
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