Skip to comments.What's In a Name? (Vanity)
Posted on 08/18/2010 1:18:24 PM PDT by Yollopoliuhqui
Satan was known to the ancient Hebrews as "Lightening from Heaven" which later evolved into "Lucifer" or "Light Bearer". Lightening (falling from) Heavens"!? In the New Testament Jesus said it in Luke- I beheld Satan as lightening from heaven, or falling from heaven.
How do those words sound in Hebrew?
> From Strong's Hebrew Dictionary, word number 1299 a primitive root word: lightening, cast forth, falling
BARAQ pronounced BAW-RAWK
And word number 1300, BARAQ, means lightening.
Satan has fallen from the heights or Heavens. The Hebrew word used for heights or heavens is Strong's Hebrew Word 1116. BAM MAH. to be high, heights, heavens.
It is pronounced: BAM-MAW.
The Hebrew U or O, is a conjunction to join words together. So to join in Hebrew the concept of lightening "falling from" heaven or the heights, BARAQ O BAM MAH would mean Lightening from Heaven.
So, if spoken by a Jew back then, "I beheld Satan" would have been- "Baraq O Bammah".
I have gotten this in email form a few times but assumed it was a fabrication. Is there any truth to this? If so, quite compelling.
Bump for later. Wigging me out.
I just downloaded Strong’s Hebrew Dictionary as a pdf and sure enough it’s there.
I was able to use an online ancient Hebrew translator, and indeed, baraq is lightening. There was no results for bammah or o. Could all be true.
Is the word you use “lightening” misspelled?
Do you mean to use the word “lightning”.
The “e” makes a big difference...
Verse 6 contains “baraq” or lightning:
Psalm 144:1-11 (King James Version)
1 Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:
2 My goodness, and my fortress; my high tower, and my deliverer ; my shield, and he in whom I trust ; who subdueth my people under me.
3 LORD, what is man, that thou takest knowledge of him! or the son of man, that thou makest account of him!
4 Man is like to vanity: his days are as a shadow that passeth away .
5 Bow thy heavens, O LORD, and come down : touch the mountains, and they shall smoke .
6 Cast forth lightning, and scatter them: shoot out thine arrows, and destroy them.
7 Send thine hand from above; rid me, and deliver me out of great waters, from the hand of strange children;
8 Whose mouth speaketh vanity, and their right hand is a right hand of falsehood.
9 I will sing a new song unto thee, O God: upon a psaltery and an instrument of ten strings will I sing praises unto thee.
10 It is he that giveth salvation unto kings: who delivereth David his servant from the hurtful sword.
11 Rid me, and deliver me from the hand of strange children, whose mouth speaketh vanity, and their right hand is a right hand of falsehood:
Verse 29 has bammah
24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers’ idols.
25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live ;
26 And I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate , to the end that they might know that I am the LORD.
27 Therefore, son of man, speak unto the house of Israel, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Yet in this your fathers have blasphemed me, in that they have committed a trespass against me.
28 For when I had brought them into the land, for the which I lifted up mine hand to give it to them, then they saw every high hill, and all the thick trees, and they offered there their sacrifices, and there they presented the provocation of their offering: there also they made their sweet savour, and poured out there their drink offerings.
29 Then I said unto them, What is the high place whereunto ye go ? And the name thereof is called Bamah unto this day.
30 Wherefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Are ye polluted after the manner of your fathers? and commit ye whoredom after their abominations?
31 For when ye offer your gifts, when ye make your sons to pass through the fire, ye pollute yourselves with all your idols, even unto this day: and shall I be enquired of by you, O house of Israel? As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will not be enquired of by you.
32 And that which cometh into your mind shall not be at all, that ye say , We will be as the heathen, as the families of the countries, to serve wood and stone.
33 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out , will I rule over you:
34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered , with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out .
Perhaps there is no birth certificate?
Now you tell me!
Ping to quix...and I know this has been ‘around’ the FR ‘block’ before, but it never ceases to amaze (mey how the pieces come together.
You know, like they found some guy whose astrological signs were all in the right places so they groomed him from childhood to think and be certain things and then to make sure he'd be the perfect vessel for their most powerful demon, they named him that in a secret ceremony in some Egyptian crypt . . .
OMG . . . just creeped myself out . . .
>>So, if spoken by a Jew back then, “I beheld Satan” would have been- “Baraq O Bammah”.
No - “lightning from heaven.” As in, “I beheld Satan as baraq o bammah.”
It would seem then that Baraq Obama means someone with a light complexion who likes to get high.
Interesting, alright . . . . to a point.
The name “Barack” is NOT from “B-R-Q,” “lightning,” but rather from “B-R-K,” “bless.” Two entirely different words in the Hebrew, the last consonant is different.
1288 barak baw-rak' a primitive root; to kneel; by implication to bless God (as an act of adoration), and (vice-versa) man (as a benefit); also (by euphemism) to curse (God or the king, as treason):--X abundantly, X altogether, X at all, blaspheme, bless, congratulate, curse, X greatly, X indeed, kneel (down), praise, salute, X still, thank.
The analysis is forced. His first name is common in Arabic - no doubt chosen for him by his Muslim father. His last name is Chadic (of Chad, Kenya, surrounds) from whence his tribe hails. Hence, none of that has to do with Hebrew. (Bamah means high/exalted in Hebrew.)
Don’t concentrate on the counterfeit that Obama is saying/doing - concentrate on what the TRUTH says/does. (Thy Word is Truth - and that’s what matters...and prevails in the end.)
Go ahead, kneel.
Whether in Hebrew or in Arabic--both Semitic languages--the root "B-R-K" means "to bless."
I'll grant you that.
But whose to say what his real name is? Barack, Baraq, Barak , Barry ?
Osama Bin Ladin. Osama Bin Laden. Usama Bin Ladin. Al Queda. Al Quida. Taliban. Taleban. There seems to be a lot of variance in the Americanization of foreign names.
Maybe we could AXE his daddy or momma what the name means?
My guess is it translates into...
"Neither of us wanted this kid so we shoved him off on her parents."
With your "given credentials" you should know that where and when the word is used dictates the meaning. And http://jcsm.org/StudyCenter/kjvstrongs/CONHEB128.htm#S1289 shows that 1289 is only used 5 whole times and only in the book of Daniel. (four for blessed, once for kneel)
Dan 3:28 [Then] Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed [be] the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego...
Dan 4:34 And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High...
Dan 6:10 Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed...
Whether in Hebrew, Aramaic, or Arabic--all Semitic languages--the triliteral root "B-R-K" means "bless," not "lightning." The last consonant is kaph, not qoph. Look in any standard Hebrew lexicon, and under beth-resh-kaph you will find "bless" (and the related concept, "kneel"), while under beth-resh-qoph you will find "lightning."
So I'm not sure what your point is.
I am referring to the root "B-R-K" in the Hebrew, which has many, many occurrences.
"B-R-K" isn't a root. It comes from a root word!
As I've shown there are only five occurrences of b-r-k. If there are more than that then you shouldn't have any problem giving reference to them.
So I'm not sure what your point is.
I'm not sure you have one other than obfuscation.
If you are saying that the name "Barack" means "lightning," then you are mistaken, since that is a different word from a different root, "B-R-Q."
Again I ask, politely: What is your point?
Always you d-mn Lutherans siding with the Muslims.
Any one of the many standard Hebrew and Aramaic reference tools I have on my bookshelves right beside me. For instance, Holladay, pp. 49-50, or Harris-Archer-Waltke, pp. 132-133 (entries 285, 287).
"B-R-K" isn't a root. It comes from a root word!
The term "root," as I used it, is standard terminology for the root consonants: "Most words in Hebrew include a root, a sequence of consonants associated with a meaning or group of meanings. Most roots are triconsonantal. . ." (Waltke-O'Connor, p. 83).
As I've shown there are only five occurrences of b-r-k.
In the ARAMAIC, which is only a very small portion of the Old Testament. But the same root, with the same meaning, in the HEBREW, occurs hundreds of times: "The root and its derivatives occur 415 times" (Harris-Archer-Waltke, p. 132).
Look, are you saying the name “Barack” means “bless” or “lightning”? Those are two different words, with different final consonants. If you say “bless,” then you are right, and that is exactly what I have been saying all along. If you say “lightning,” then you are wrong.
(Waltke-O'Connor, p. 83).
An Introduction to Biblical Hebrew Syntax
(Harris-Archer-Waltke, p. 132).
Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament
You poor, poor man. No wonder you're so confused.
OK, I’ll try again: What do you think the name “Barack” means?
Are you disputing these standard reference works?
I don’t know about the other guy, I was just busting your hump.
Once again you commented, albeit to another poster...Whether in Hebrew or in Arabic--both Semitic languages--the root "B-R-K" means "to bless."
Once again at 28 I gave information showing that you were using the word wrongly and pointed out that your "root" argument was wrong..."which is where your word comes from."
I gave the phonetics, a counter argument disproving your assertion and then you started going off into a land unknown pushing your root argument all the way.
Then you asked...Are you saying that the name "Barack" is from the Semitic root "B-R-K," which means "bless" (and "kneel")? which wasn't what I was saying at all. Please note that I've never said what "the name" Barack means in any way whatsoever. I've only given well established definitions for words.
And then things gets interesting as you further state...If you are saying that the name "Barack" means "lightning," then you are mistaken, since that is a different word from a different root, "B-R-Q."
I've only given the meanings of certain words and countered you as to what the words mean and from where they come. You did something quite deceptive in that reply in that you've mixed replies in an effort to confuse. You went back to reply 8 where I linked two other words, not the word in contention, and have tried to paint me as ignorant. It isn't working, especially as I've now called you on it and anyone going back over this conversation can easily see what you've attempted to do.
Which Strong's reference do you think it is related to?