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Myths, Legends, & Misconceptions of the Wolf
ChicoER Gate ^ | 8/21/10 | T. R. Mader

Posted on 08/21/2010 12:08:13 PM PDT by Tom Hawks

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I and others have written extensively about the wolf reintroduction program and the destruction it has caused since the first 60 were released into Yellowstone Park and Idaho in 1995. What we are attempting to do with these articles is to wake up as many people as possible about the danger the left has put Americans in.

There is a Wolf Cult in America that has convinced many Americans that it would be a good thing to have wild wolves as neighbors in our local parks. Well I for one, and many like me, do not wish to be confronted by a wolf when we decide to go fishing or camping. Especially since the wolves that are being introduced into our parks, like to roam in packs. So if you see one you can bet the farm there are more lurking around near by.

Gate was given permission to post, in whole, an article written by T. R. Mader, the Research Director of AWS which is an independent research organization. Mader has researched wolf history for more than 15 years before he wrote this article. He has since traveled extensively as he continues conducting research and interviews on environmental issues.

Mader wrote this article at the height of furor over the wolf re-introduction program in 1995 & 96. It's my hope that by posting this, many of you will have a better understanding of the anger many ranchers, farmers, hunters, and even regular small town city folk have with a program that has proved to be everything those against the program warned about some 15 years ago.

Due to the length of the article, it has been divided into three parts, and instead of creating three separate posts on FR, I have created three links below for you to follow if you so desire to read the article, "Myths, Legends, & Misconceptions of the Wolf".

Part 1- Misconceptions 1 to 6
   
Part 2 - Misconceptions 7 to 12
  
Part 3 - Conclusion & Bibliography

(Excerpt) Read more at ChicoER/Gate ....


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: depredation; hunting; wildlife; wolves
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To: calex59

I live in a town in the CO Rockies with a serious elk over-population problem. It’s not possible to use shotguns or bows to hunt them. The elk problem has been an issue of public debate for about 30 years. FWIW wolves won’t work either.


51 posted on 08/21/2010 2:53:38 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: muawiyah

A bullet is cheaper and saves tax payers money....some zap collars need an area to be wired or you just keep zapping them and torturing them....my daughter had a dog on her property they were trying to catch with a zap collar. the owner just kept zapping the dog and making him jump and howl....dumb idea..finally got the collar off and found the near by neighbor that owned the dog...


52 posted on 08/21/2010 2:57:28 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Tom Hawks

What a strange post. As you already know I didn’t advocate just turning wolves loose.


53 posted on 08/21/2010 3:13:09 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: goat granny
I had at one time a dislike for shooting coyotes as they resembled a German Shepperd which is one of my favorite types of dog.Had many over the years.
Then,one day I heard a terrible scream come from the backyard.It was a coyote making off with my little daschund that was my constant companion for 12 years.As I was screaming and trying to divert the coyote,it stopped with my dog in it”s mouth turned and looked at me and disappeared into the brush.
That was all it took.I built a 25 ft. deer stand with a place to sit with shade,and when I am not busy,drag an ice chest up and with my 223,with Leopold scope,and some binocs,watch over the area,and shoot them.They are crafty,but a buddy of mine enjoys helping out once in a while.Sometimes we get lucky,sometimes don”t.
But the cold ones are a good way to pass the time.Oh,and we use our coyote distress callers to invite them in!
Next one I get will be named goat granny even if is a male!!Regards.
54 posted on 08/21/2010 3:14:45 PM PDT by xarmydog
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To: Eagles6
25 years ago we had something like 135,000 or so people. Now we have over a million and it's climbing. Archery would just PO folks. It's gotta be something that kills them every time, all the time, and hunts 'em down.

The Vietnamese try but they just aren't getting the job done.

55 posted on 08/21/2010 3:15:00 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: calex59

We are not allowed to keep livestock in the county, so no goats, sheep or chickens.


56 posted on 08/21/2010 3:15:46 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Tom Hawks

Ping for later


57 posted on 08/21/2010 3:18:23 PM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Tom Hawks

Wolves? Can we introduce them in southern TX, NM, AZ, and CA? There should be plenty of prey.


58 posted on 08/21/2010 3:39:14 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: muawiyah

So the wolves you think are such a good idea will take dogs, cats and small children.

Wolves don’t always kill their prey immediately, sometimes they just disable it, ripping chunks out to snack on. They also don’t always eat what they kill. Wolves are well known for their habit of “overkill”. Some think it’s practice or training for the younger wolves or perhaps because the abundance of trapped prey (usually in a fenced enclosure) causes a frenzy.

They won’t be nearly as tidy and politically correct as you imagine.


59 posted on 08/21/2010 4:06:49 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.")
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To: muawiyah

Well, they have been known to eat children on occasion so if no livestock is available you might want to keep children inside at night when you hear the coyotes howling(in a pack).


60 posted on 08/21/2010 4:22:29 PM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59
We've had coyotes in this area. So far they've all been pairs or singles. The urban nature of the community is such that packs would not be tolerated.

Besides this is Virginia and there are guns all over the place just waiting for targets. One reason we have an exceptionally low crime rate.

61 posted on 08/21/2010 4:29:38 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Valpal1
I don't imagine wolves will be politically correct at all. You keep forgetting my caveat at the beginning~they have to be under control in some manner. Now whether that's brain implants, or zap collars (and I don't particularly care if they chaff) it's gotta' be something.

Frankly, I don't think a smaller animal can take care of the 110,000 surplus deer around here and not get all worn out.

Fur Shur they will be safer to use to clear dear than would, for example, a snow leopard.

62 posted on 08/21/2010 4:32:36 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
The urban nature of the community is such that packs would not be tolerated.

You think it's fine for the community to use it guns so coyote "packs would not be tolerated", but oppose their use on roving herds of deer.

Yet you are advocating the reintroduction of wolves which lives and hunts in packs and is an even larger predator and one that would be illegal to shoot. Your logic needs some work.

63 posted on 08/21/2010 4:37:47 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.")
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To: maine-iac7

The link you provided shows the Coyote we have here. They are quite large and in the dark look just like a red Siberian Husky. I have heard they have some wolf DNA that makes them so much larger than regular Coyotes.


64 posted on 08/21/2010 4:48:52 PM PDT by Melinda in TN
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To: xarmydog
Sorry to hear about you companion, that's a bad way to go...I have had to put down 2 dogs in the last 10 years via the vet. That was bad enough....I have a couple of son's that would join you up the tree...x Navy and x Air Force...all my son's are hunters, usually bow and arrow...Have a grandson that got his first doe at the age of 14...

Son #1 when he would come over, we'd pop rabbits to keep them out of my flower gardens in the back.. He said when he tells his buddy's he and his mother shoot rabbits off the deck, they don't believe him...(but it was just BB guns, hurt but did't kill.) After 3 years, no rabbits came into my back yard...(I think they whispered to each other like in the tale of Peter Rabbit) **Don't go into Mr Mcgreggors garden, your father never returned from there.** :O)

65 posted on 08/21/2010 4:51:04 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: muawiyah

Your state game department can even control the deer population, what makes you think they will be able to effectively control a wolf population? Plus you’ll have the Feds intervening and the enviros suing under the Endangered Species Act.

You won’t solve your deer problem, you’ll merely create a wolf problem.

The solution is cheap and plentiful doe tags allowing them to be hunted 365 days a year. If necessary pay a $20 bounty for every doe head brought in for a year or two.

Not that the numnutz lefties will allow it, but it would do the trick. The correct predator for the problem is man.


66 posted on 08/21/2010 4:52:59 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.")
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To: Valpal1
You seem to be unable to come to grips with the scale of the deer problem. The other night my son came home late just in time to see 7 deer grazing in my front yard (about 45' wide and 20' deep).

You would hike all day to see that in an area where deer were considered plentiful.

67 posted on 08/21/2010 5:13:05 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: xarmydog

How awful! I’m so sorry about the loss of your best friend. I walked outside one day because my outside dogs were having fits. There was a huge gray wolf standing in the yard on the other side of the fence looking at my dogs. I was startled to see a wolf because I didn’t think we had gray wolves here. It ran off when it saw me. I wasn’t so concerned about my three outside dogs because one is a 110lb Bloodhound and the other two are 60lb Mountain Curs. What did worry me was that my Jack Russell plays in the other fenced yard. His yard is attached to the house but the big dogs fence yard is not. If that happened to my Jack Russell I would never get over it.

I called the TWRA and found out that gray wolves are not native here but some of the 99% hybrids escaped from a kennel near us and went wild. Nobody has been able to catch them so.....I guess we have gray wolves. :-( We know there are two that hang out on our farm. Fortunately we are in a very rural area. My husband was able to touch one so they aren’t extremely wild but he wasn’t able to catch it.

I just hope they don’t cross breed with out large Coyotes. :-)


68 posted on 08/21/2010 5:16:52 PM PDT by Melinda in TN
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To: Tom Hawks


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

69 posted on 08/21/2010 5:28:52 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: muawiyah

You seem to be unable to come to grips with the truth about wolves. They will not solve your deer problem without making a wolf problem that will make the deer problem pale in comparison.

You want to keep the deer out of your yard then get a deer or elk hound of some type.

Once again, if your state game department wasn’t controlled by enviros that prefer to control humans for the benefit of wildlife instead of properly controlling wildlife for the benefit of humans, your county would not be over-run. Your problem is political and won’t be solved by adding wolves to further entrench their stupid anti-human policies.


70 posted on 08/21/2010 5:30:27 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.")
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To: Valpal1
Hmm ~ Virginia fish and game are kind of loose compared to other states, plus we have OPEN CARRY as well as SHALL ISSUE ~ which might have something to do with that. On the other hand I'm talking about erradicating vermin that look like deer. Hunting seasons are for areas where people have crops to protect. Here, the decorative gardening is the problem ~ deer without food don't reproduce you know.

Wolves still look like a reasonable alternative AND, best of all, they'll force those gardeners who have been feeding the deer indoors!

71 posted on 08/21/2010 5:37:14 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: TigersEye
I live in a town in the CO Rockies with a serious elk over-population problem. It’s not possible to use shotguns or bows to hunt them. The elk problem has been an issue of public debate for about 30 years.

If you got rid of all the politicians that got voted into office by the transplanted liberals that came because of John Denver's songs, then you could increase the number of elk and deer that hunters could kill per season. Or better yet, try a year round hunting season, I guarantee your elk overpopulation problem will disappear real fast.

I mean, how many years now have the Colorado voters sent Liberal Democrat Senators to Washington, and elected Democrat Governors? The problem is not the elk, the problem is the politicians that will not allow the citizens do what they must do.

So what is the politicians cure? Not more hunting, but more wolves. Yea, that sounds like a logical answer....NOT!
72 posted on 08/21/2010 5:37:47 PM PDT by Tom Hawks
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To: xarmydog
My niece in Idaho just lost her beloved dog companion of 14 years - a white American Eskimo -

It got killed by

a moose.

not to mention the dealy moose-car collisions - often resulting in death for the car occupant:

moose kill more people than wolves.

and if you ever come across one in the road - and don't hit it - stop and stay VERY still. Otherwise, it has a tendancy to think of you/your car as a challenger...and he CAN stomp your car into the ground.

73 posted on 08/21/2010 5:39:52 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (g)
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To: muawiyah

I’ve seen a local tom who looks both ways before crossing.


74 posted on 08/21/2010 5:51:46 PM PDT by Fire_on_High (Stupid should hurt.)
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To: Born to Conserve

I hear that wolves love illegal meat. No one seems to notice they are missing if eaten.


75 posted on 08/21/2010 5:53:12 PM PDT by Tom Hawks
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To: muawiyah
Hunting seasons are for areas where people have crops to protect.

That statement is ridiculous. Hunting seasons are for hunting as a sport, for the taking of game for those that enjoy consuming it and for controlling game populations.

If your game populations are out of control, it's because the your game department isn't encouraging the hunting of game appropriately and neither is your community.

Bragging about your state's gun laws is specious, since gun rights are about self protection, not hunting. Start hunting and eating venison. Hang some deer hides on your fence line. Every doe you eat is one that doesn't breed. It looks like you're allow to bag five or six deer a year, so do it.

76 posted on 08/21/2010 5:57:45 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.")
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To: muawiyah; Valpal1; The Comedian; Melinda in TN; xarmydog; goat granny; maine-iac7; calex59; ...
Wolves still look like a reasonable alternative AND, best of all, they'll force those gardeners who have been feeding the deer indoors!

No matter what course of action that anyone offers other than introducing wolves, you scoff at. You keep coming back to the belief that allowing humans to hunt the deer is a bigger problem than bringing in more wolves. Why is it you really want the wolves brought in?

Why are you so hell bent against allowing humans to hunt the deer?

I can only come up with one answer, you sir are a bona-fide anti hunting Liberal. If not then you are at least a full fledged animal loving, tree hugging, wolf worshiping Rhino, who has no problem with the possibility that little children will be killed by these animals.

I only say that, because if you allow wolves to be brought in to do what human hunters can do, then you are anti-hunting and pro wolf. In my neck of the Texas woods, that makes you a liberal.
77 posted on 08/21/2010 6:16:00 PM PDT by Tom Hawks
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To: Valpal1
Hunting is for the purpose of eating. I know there are the idle rich who hunt for fun, but meat in the freezer is the main attraction for others.

Hunting seasons separate agricultural activity from pursuit of game to protect farmers from the hunters, and the hunters from the farmers (and both from themselves if they play both roles).

The theory that limiting taking results in more game for later years is nonsense. These animals have to eat, and if there's nothing to eat, they don't reproduce. If resources are limited there will be plenty of animals starving to death in the winter. With the removal of the wolves and other predators from the picture, ethical men must cull the herd to match the resource levels else the remaining animals are harmed.

78 posted on 08/21/2010 6:19:30 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Tom Hawks
It's like this, you probably wouldn't like it if your next door neighbor came over and fired across your front door to shoot a deer in your sideyard.

This is an urban area ~ people live cheek to jowl, head to toe, in ticky tacky woodframe houses with aluminum foil walls.

Firing shotguns knocks the nails out of their plasterboard.

Arrows are less acceptable because they are "silent".

You do realize the game don't gather in the roads, or vast open areas. They are walking around in backyards!

79 posted on 08/21/2010 6:23:38 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Wrong. If you increase the number of kills a hunter can have or increase the season of hunting, then the number o deer in the out back parts of the state will dwindle. Then the deer will not feel the need to come into the urban areas. They only come to the urban areas because the population in the undeveloped part6s of the state are over crowded.

Believe me. The deer do not want to come around people no more than you want them too. But the population where there is no humans is way too high. So allow the hunters to increase their kills. I guarantee you that within a year maybe two. The deer will then stop coming into the urban areas because they will have more room to roam in the country because they will not feel crowded out.


80 posted on 08/21/2010 6:35:10 PM PDT by Tom Hawks
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To: Tom Hawks
The deer don't just come into Fairfax. They are born and raised here.

We have more than 100,000 of them in the county. If they were moving back and forth from the surrounding counties that'd be considered one of the great wild game movements in the world ~ the sort of thing tourists would come to see.

81 posted on 08/21/2010 6:37:38 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: xarmydog

I do not even want to go into the diseases they bring.Rabies being at the top.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Both wolfs and coyotes are a problem in NM and IIRC I read that 40% of coyotes here are infected with plague. My daughter contracted bubonic plague back in the ‘80’s and thankfully lived but you know I’m no fan of predatory vector hosts. We shoot the wiley b@%tard%!


82 posted on 08/21/2010 6:40:25 PM PDT by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: muawiyah

I need to leave for a bit, but I will be back in about 40 minutes. Then we can continue this if you wish.

I really do not want to continue insulting you, and I do apologize because I do get very passionate about this subject. So please forgive me for being so harsh.

However, I do want you to understand that you do not want wolves added to your area. Increasing the hunters ability to kill the overpopulated deer for food will do.

Believe me when I say it works. It has been proven to work every time it has been tried. Their is evidence to back up my point.

There is also evidence to back up my point that you do not want the wolves added to your area. There is thousands of documented cases of known tragedies that could have been avoided if we did not increase the number of wolves in any area for the purpose of animal ie. elk, deer, moose, regulation. Or for that matter wolf re-population due to the liberal leftists lie of possible wolf extinction.


83 posted on 08/21/2010 6:45:21 PM PDT by Tom Hawks
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To: Tom Hawks
Dogs are wolves ~ same species ~ all same thing. They are far from being extinct.

And we are not talking about Dire Wolves.

The thesis is the wolves can (at some point, maybe not today) be controlled and allowed to kill deer in people's backyards.

Being wolves they have no need to fear trespass laws, they also don't make loud noises, break windows, bust nails out of plasterboard, and so on.

There is no open hinterland around here. This place is pretty much high density urban development right up to the county line, and much of that along Prince William County is equally urbanized.

If you want to experience life where folks are running around apartment buildings and townhouses using firearms you go over to Prince Georges county Maryland ~ they do that there all the time. Not a day goes by there hasn't been some stupid shooting somewhere.

Wolves would be safer to have than letting any of those people around.

84 posted on 08/21/2010 6:52:01 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Tom Hawks

Hmm...they could introduce some wolves to Gitmo...lots of prey there.....


85 posted on 08/21/2010 6:53:37 PM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: Tom Hawks

You brain dead? I have a wall full of deer mounts.


86 posted on 08/21/2010 8:07:37 PM PDT by junta (S.C.U.M. = State Controlled Unreliable Media)
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To: Tom Hawks
You don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about. First, we don't need to increase the number of elk I said we have too many. Second, as I said, it is not possible to hunt them here. Too much development. It has nothing to do with politicians or number of licenses for this hunting unit.

Considering you brought the whole thing down to the EVIL JOOS there can be no other conclusion than you're a complete idiot.

87 posted on 08/21/2010 8:19:31 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: muawiyah; GenXteacher; JouleZ; Valpal1; The Comedian; Melinda in TN; xarmydog; goat granny; ...
The thesis is the wolves can (at some point, maybe not today) be controlled and allowed to kill deer in people's backyards.

I give up, you are just ignorant of the facts and the sad truth is you would rather stay ignorant.

I'll tell you what. Tell your elected representatives to bring in the Canadian grays wolf that is doing the number in these photos on the elk in Idaho. They are not even eating them, they are just killing them for fun.

But hey, at least the deer problem will be solved. But then you better watch out for your pets and small children because they will be next on the dinner, or just kill for fun menu of the wolves when there are not enough deer to kill for the thousands of wolves that have bred and soon to be running around in your forests.

Just so your ready for the carnage, take a look at these elk carcasses laying around just one elk management area in Idaho. Look at the photos of elk that the wolves killed for sport, but never intended on eating. One day that will be your state, and when the deer are under control, what will the wolves then eat or just kill for sport?.
Bull Elk Killed by Wolves Montana 2008.jpg
This bull elk was found killed but not eaten 30 miles outside of Libby, Montana in the Winter of 2008.


Bull Elk Killed by Wolves Montana 08.jpg
The photo on the left shows blood where a wolf landed that the bull elk hooked by the horns and threw in his struggle to survive. The body print of the wolf in the snow is evident.  The photo to the right gives you an idea of how big one of the wolves were by the size of his paw compared to the man's hand. There are plenty reports of 180 lb wolves roaming in Idaho like the one Brett Pitcher of Coeur d'Alene shot in the St Joe area this past winter.


Fetuses Ripped from Elk & Doe 03.jpg
This cow elk, from which the fetus had been torn, died in this man's arms.

Fetuses Ripped from Elk & Doe 02.jpg

Elk Left to Rot 05.jpg


Photographic Proof That Wolves Do Kill Without Eating Their Prey

Mark my words, when they are finished devastating the deer population like you want, they will then set their eyes on pets and children. Protect the children and they will set their eyes on any human who happens to be in the area, even teachers like this on in alaska



Oh yea, one more thing. Get ready to find these kind of predators running around, because with no natural enemy they will just grow bigger and bigger. You know that the left will not let you kill the wolves once they start growing in number, because a judge will against wolf hunts like one did in Idaho & Montana, regardless of how bad the situation is.



However, you can always trust the government to be helpful right. Good luck, because the Canadian government never wanted to admit this man's son was killed by wolves. After all, it would not fit into their liberal teachings that wolves don't kill people would it?

But hell, I don't know what the heck I am talking about. So go ahead and tell you representatives to enact a wolf introduction into your state. In 15 years, don't complain to the rest of us who warned you like T R Mader did in 1995 when they began with just 60 Canadian Gray wolves in Yellowstone Park and Idaho. I do promise that the state around you will be like Oregon some day also, even if they don't want to be part of your introduction of wolves.

Good luck with your wolf plans, I pray you have no grandchildren that will pay the price for your stupidity.
88 posted on 08/21/2010 8:20:44 PM PDT by Tom Hawks
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To: junta

I( was bringing your attention to “muawiyah” who thinks hunters are not needed to cull the deer herds, but wolves are.

Sorry for the mix up, buy like I said I was just bringing his idiocy to the attention of you and others who agree with me.


89 posted on 08/21/2010 8:24:32 PM PDT by Tom Hawks
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To: Tom Hawks

There is a company that specializes in quietly removing deer from towns and villages.
They come in at night, use special night scopes, silenced rifles of .50 Whisperer caliber, and shoot every deer they see.

The deer are hauled to a special processing trailer and butchered. the next day, no one knows they have been there except the city managers who have hired them.


90 posted on 08/21/2010 8:46:12 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (AKA Rodrigo de Bivar)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Sounds like a reasonable and very community safe plan to me.

Maybe you should give a heads up to the many liberals on this blog who think setting wolves loose to kill the deer would be great idea.

I never knew there would be so many liberals on FreeRepublic, but then again America isn’t even a capitalist country anymore.

Silly me.


91 posted on 08/21/2010 8:55:56 PM PDT by Tom Hawks
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To: muawiyah
http://www.post-gazette.com/neigh_north/20021030nindiana1030p4.asp

Works well here and the meat is donated to food pantries. No downside.

They don't want to see archery hunters? Well they'll see dead deer spread all over the road and coming through Mommy's windshield.

We have enough problems here with coyotes, don't want to see bigger canines that run in packs.

92 posted on 08/21/2010 8:57:43 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: Eagles6

You’re out in open country. We have something like downtown Houston.


93 posted on 08/21/2010 9:02:53 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Valpal1

Probably should have said that the coyotes would probably not join packs because the environment itself is not conducive to that behavior ~ too much traffic, too many people, too many dogs, noise, birds, cars, planes, trashcans ~ all that stuff.


94 posted on 08/21/2010 9:05:12 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Melinda in TN
An inlaw's miniature corky was killed by an Eagle.

They are definitely getting over their shyness around humans and will come down in your yard to eat your meat animals running around loose.

95 posted on 08/21/2010 9:07:44 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Fire_on_High
Our area has begun development of a type of squirrel that looks first and then runs all the way across the road before stopping.

We are using our cars to guide their evolution.

Folks studying how wild animals find their way across the landscape have determined they use animal trails, where available, and human roads and trails where available.

These animals are dangerous.

96 posted on 08/21/2010 9:10:45 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: TigersEye
"It’s not possible to use shotguns or bows to hunt them."

Why not?

97 posted on 08/21/2010 9:11:39 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: Eagles6

Too much development. There are no clear shots anywhere in the valley now.


98 posted on 08/21/2010 9:13:25 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: Valpal1

You got it.


99 posted on 08/21/2010 9:14:25 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: Tom Hawks
We are talking about controlling game in a CITY, not out on the range.

I think we should just starve them out ~ have a year go by where no one plants any flowers, veggies, or grass. Just "round up" the whole county and let 'em starve.

Alternatively, electronically controlled wolves (wired up like predator drones) traveling from yard to yard, effortlessly jumping over fences would be able to kill them more humanely than that.

I don't think you understand when a city has a situation where there's a deer walking around for every 9 people.

It's getting tight, and smells like deer poop.

100 posted on 08/21/2010 9:17:20 PM PDT by muawiyah
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