Skip to comments.Myths, Legends, & Misconceptions of the Wolf
Posted on 08/21/2010 12:08:13 PM PDT by Tom Hawks
I and others have written extensively about the wolf reintroduction program and the destruction it has caused since the first 60 were released into Yellowstone Park and Idaho in 1995. What we are attempting to do with these articles is to wake up as many people as possible about the danger the left has put Americans in.
There is a Wolf Cult in America that has convinced many Americans that it would be a good thing to have wild wolves as neighbors in our local parks. Well I for one, and many like me, do not wish to be confronted by a wolf when we decide to go fishing or camping. Especially since the wolves that are being introduced into our parks, like to roam in packs. So if you see one you can bet the farm there are more lurking around near by.
Gate was given permission to post, in whole, an article written by T. R. Mader, the Research Director of AWS which is an independent research organization. Mader has researched wolf history for more than 15 years before he wrote this article. He has since traveled extensively as he continues conducting research and interviews on environmental issues.
Mader wrote this article at the height of furor over the wolf re-introduction program in 1995 & 96. It's my hope that by posting this, many of you will have a better understanding of the anger many ranchers, farmers, hunters, and even regular small town city folk have with a program that has proved to be everything those against the program warned about some 15 years ago.
Due to the length of the article, it has been divided into three parts, and instead of creating three separate posts on FR, I have created three links below for you to follow if you so desire to read the article, "Myths, Legends, & Misconceptions of the Wolf".
Part 1- Misconceptions 1 to 6
Part 2 - Misconceptions 7 to 12
Part 3 - Conclusion & Bibliography
I live in a town in the CO Rockies with a serious elk over-population problem. It’s not possible to use shotguns or bows to hunt them. The elk problem has been an issue of public debate for about 30 years. FWIW wolves won’t work either.
A bullet is cheaper and saves tax payers money....some zap collars need an area to be wired or you just keep zapping them and torturing them....my daughter had a dog on her property they were trying to catch with a zap collar. the owner just kept zapping the dog and making him jump and howl....dumb idea..finally got the collar off and found the near by neighbor that owned the dog...
What a strange post. As you already know I didn’t advocate just turning wolves loose.
The Vietnamese try but they just aren't getting the job done.
We are not allowed to keep livestock in the county, so no goats, sheep or chickens.
Ping for later
Wolves? Can we introduce them in southern TX, NM, AZ, and CA? There should be plenty of prey.
So the wolves you think are such a good idea will take dogs, cats and small children.
Wolves don’t always kill their prey immediately, sometimes they just disable it, ripping chunks out to snack on. They also don’t always eat what they kill. Wolves are well known for their habit of “overkill”. Some think it’s practice or training for the younger wolves or perhaps because the abundance of trapped prey (usually in a fenced enclosure) causes a frenzy.
They won’t be nearly as tidy and politically correct as you imagine.
Well, they have been known to eat children on occasion so if no livestock is available you might want to keep children inside at night when you hear the coyotes howling(in a pack).
Besides this is Virginia and there are guns all over the place just waiting for targets. One reason we have an exceptionally low crime rate.
Frankly, I don't think a smaller animal can take care of the 110,000 surplus deer around here and not get all worn out.
Fur Shur they will be safer to use to clear dear than would, for example, a snow leopard.
You think it's fine for the community to use it guns so coyote "packs would not be tolerated", but oppose their use on roving herds of deer.
Yet you are advocating the reintroduction of wolves which lives and hunts in packs and is an even larger predator and one that would be illegal to shoot. Your logic needs some work.
The link you provided shows the Coyote we have here. They are quite large and in the dark look just like a red Siberian Husky. I have heard they have some wolf DNA that makes them so much larger than regular Coyotes.
Son #1 when he would come over, we'd pop rabbits to keep them out of my flower gardens in the back.. He said when he tells his buddy's he and his mother shoot rabbits off the deck, they don't believe him...(but it was just BB guns, hurt but did't kill.) After 3 years, no rabbits came into my back yard...(I think they whispered to each other like in the tale of Peter Rabbit) **Don't go into Mr Mcgreggors garden, your father never returned from there.** :O)
Your state game department can even control the deer population, what makes you think they will be able to effectively control a wolf population? Plus you’ll have the Feds intervening and the enviros suing under the Endangered Species Act.
You won’t solve your deer problem, you’ll merely create a wolf problem.
The solution is cheap and plentiful doe tags allowing them to be hunted 365 days a year. If necessary pay a $20 bounty for every doe head brought in for a year or two.
Not that the numnutz lefties will allow it, but it would do the trick. The correct predator for the problem is man.
You would hike all day to see that in an area where deer were considered plentiful.
How awful! I’m so sorry about the loss of your best friend. I walked outside one day because my outside dogs were having fits. There was a huge gray wolf standing in the yard on the other side of the fence looking at my dogs. I was startled to see a wolf because I didn’t think we had gray wolves here. It ran off when it saw me. I wasn’t so concerned about my three outside dogs because one is a 110lb Bloodhound and the other two are 60lb Mountain Curs. What did worry me was that my Jack Russell plays in the other fenced yard. His yard is attached to the house but the big dogs fence yard is not. If that happened to my Jack Russell I would never get over it.
I called the TWRA and found out that gray wolves are not native here but some of the 99% hybrids escaped from a kennel near us and went wild. Nobody has been able to catch them so.....I guess we have gray wolves. :-( We know there are two that hang out on our farm. Fortunately we are in a very rural area. My husband was able to touch one so they aren’t extremely wild but he wasn’t able to catch it.
I just hope they don’t cross breed with out large Coyotes. :-)
You seem to be unable to come to grips with the truth about wolves. They will not solve your deer problem without making a wolf problem that will make the deer problem pale in comparison.
You want to keep the deer out of your yard then get a deer or elk hound of some type.
Once again, if your state game department wasn’t controlled by enviros that prefer to control humans for the benefit of wildlife instead of properly controlling wildlife for the benefit of humans, your county would not be over-run. Your problem is political and won’t be solved by adding wolves to further entrench their stupid anti-human policies.
Wolves still look like a reasonable alternative AND, best of all, they'll force those gardeners who have been feeding the deer indoors!
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not to mention the dealy moose-car collisions - often resulting in death for the car occupant:
moose kill more people than wolves.
and if you ever come across one in the road - and don't hit it - stop and stay VERY still. Otherwise, it has a tendancy to think of you/your car as a challenger...and he CAN stomp your car into the ground.
I’ve seen a local tom who looks both ways before crossing.
I hear that wolves love illegal meat. No one seems to notice they are missing if eaten.
That statement is ridiculous. Hunting seasons are for hunting as a sport, for the taking of game for those that enjoy consuming it and for controlling game populations.
If your game populations are out of control, it's because the your game department isn't encouraging the hunting of game appropriately and neither is your community.
Bragging about your state's gun laws is specious, since gun rights are about self protection, not hunting. Start hunting and eating venison. Hang some deer hides on your fence line. Every doe you eat is one that doesn't breed. It looks like you're allow to bag five or six deer a year, so do it.
Hunting seasons separate agricultural activity from pursuit of game to protect farmers from the hunters, and the hunters from the farmers (and both from themselves if they play both roles).
The theory that limiting taking results in more game for later years is nonsense. These animals have to eat, and if there's nothing to eat, they don't reproduce. If resources are limited there will be plenty of animals starving to death in the winter. With the removal of the wolves and other predators from the picture, ethical men must cull the herd to match the resource levels else the remaining animals are harmed.
This is an urban area ~ people live cheek to jowl, head to toe, in ticky tacky woodframe houses with aluminum foil walls.
Firing shotguns knocks the nails out of their plasterboard.
Arrows are less acceptable because they are "silent".
You do realize the game don't gather in the roads, or vast open areas. They are walking around in backyards!
Wrong. If you increase the number of kills a hunter can have or increase the season of hunting, then the number o deer in the out back parts of the state will dwindle. Then the deer will not feel the need to come into the urban areas. They only come to the urban areas because the population in the undeveloped part6s of the state are over crowded.
Believe me. The deer do not want to come around people no more than you want them too. But the population where there is no humans is way too high. So allow the hunters to increase their kills. I guarantee you that within a year maybe two. The deer will then stop coming into the urban areas because they will have more room to roam in the country because they will not feel crowded out.
We have more than 100,000 of them in the county. If they were moving back and forth from the surrounding counties that'd be considered one of the great wild game movements in the world ~ the sort of thing tourists would come to see.
I do not even want to go into the diseases they bring.Rabies being at the top.
Both wolfs and coyotes are a problem in NM and IIRC I read that 40% of coyotes here are infected with plague. My daughter contracted bubonic plague back in the ‘80’s and thankfully lived but you know I’m no fan of predatory vector hosts. We shoot the wiley b@%tard%!
I need to leave for a bit, but I will be back in about 40 minutes. Then we can continue this if you wish.
I really do not want to continue insulting you, and I do apologize because I do get very passionate about this subject. So please forgive me for being so harsh.
However, I do want you to understand that you do not want wolves added to your area. Increasing the hunters ability to kill the overpopulated deer for food will do.
Believe me when I say it works. It has been proven to work every time it has been tried. Their is evidence to back up my point.
There is also evidence to back up my point that you do not want the wolves added to your area. There is thousands of documented cases of known tragedies that could have been avoided if we did not increase the number of wolves in any area for the purpose of animal ie. elk, deer, moose, regulation. Or for that matter wolf re-population due to the liberal leftists lie of possible wolf extinction.
And we are not talking about Dire Wolves.
The thesis is the wolves can (at some point, maybe not today) be controlled and allowed to kill deer in people's backyards.
Being wolves they have no need to fear trespass laws, they also don't make loud noises, break windows, bust nails out of plasterboard, and so on.
There is no open hinterland around here. This place is pretty much high density urban development right up to the county line, and much of that along Prince William County is equally urbanized.
If you want to experience life where folks are running around apartment buildings and townhouses using firearms you go over to Prince Georges county Maryland ~ they do that there all the time. Not a day goes by there hasn't been some stupid shooting somewhere.
Wolves would be safer to have than letting any of those people around.
Hmm...they could introduce some wolves to Gitmo...lots of prey there.....
You brain dead? I have a wall full of deer mounts.
Considering you brought the whole thing down to the EVIL JOOS there can be no other conclusion than you're a complete idiot.
I( was bringing your attention to “muawiyah” who thinks hunters are not needed to cull the deer herds, but wolves are.
Sorry for the mix up, buy like I said I was just bringing his idiocy to the attention of you and others who agree with me.
There is a company that specializes in quietly removing deer from towns and villages.
They come in at night, use special night scopes, silenced rifles of .50 Whisperer caliber, and shoot every deer they see.
The deer are hauled to a special processing trailer and butchered. the next day, no one knows they have been there except the city managers who have hired them.
Sounds like a reasonable and very community safe plan to me.
Maybe you should give a heads up to the many liberals on this blog who think setting wolves loose to kill the deer would be great idea.
I never knew there would be so many liberals on FreeRepublic, but then again America isn’t even a capitalist country anymore.
Works well here and the meat is donated to food pantries. No downside.
They don't want to see archery hunters? Well they'll see dead deer spread all over the road and coming through Mommy's windshield.
We have enough problems here with coyotes, don't want to see bigger canines that run in packs.
You’re out in open country. We have something like downtown Houston.
Probably should have said that the coyotes would probably not join packs because the environment itself is not conducive to that behavior ~ too much traffic, too many people, too many dogs, noise, birds, cars, planes, trashcans ~ all that stuff.
They are definitely getting over their shyness around humans and will come down in your yard to eat your meat animals running around loose.
We are using our cars to guide their evolution.
Folks studying how wild animals find their way across the landscape have determined they use animal trails, where available, and human roads and trails where available.
These animals are dangerous.
Too much development. There are no clear shots anywhere in the valley now.
You got it.
I think we should just starve them out ~ have a year go by where no one plants any flowers, veggies, or grass. Just "round up" the whole county and let 'em starve.
Alternatively, electronically controlled wolves (wired up like predator drones) traveling from yard to yard, effortlessly jumping over fences would be able to kill them more humanely than that.
I don't think you understand when a city has a situation where there's a deer walking around for every 9 people.
It's getting tight, and smells like deer poop.