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Evangelicals and the Coulter affair
World Net Daily ^ | August 23, 2010 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 08/23/2010 4:54:09 PM PDT by Sola Veritas

.................I believe that's what Jesus meant when He told us to love our enemies. The ultimate demonstration of love for a Christian should be to evangelize the lost.

There is no indication Ann Coulter has ever used one of her paid speaking engagements to do this. In fact, I'm not even sure a paid speaking engagement is an appropriate forum for evangelizing.

Nevertheless, I have heard from a few Christians who compare Coulter's paid speaking gig to Homocon with Jesus sitting down with tax collectors and sinners.

That is not good discernment.

Coulter is a political activist, a pundit, a satirist. She is not Jesus. And she is not an evangelist. No one is likely to get saved at Homocon because Ann Coulter gives a conservative stump speech.

What will happen as a result of her appearance is that a compromise will be made with sin. Sin will be condoned or appeased. A conservative icon will find accommodation with a sin that would undermine the foundations of Western civilization, the Judeo-Christian ethic and the most basic biblical standards of sexual morality.

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On the HOMOCON issue...Farah is right and Coulter is dead wrong. Hopefully, she will shallow her pride, admit to the mistake, give back the speaking fee, withdraw from the event, and tell homosexuals that they can never trully be conservatives.
1 posted on 08/23/2010 4:54:12 PM PDT by Sola Veritas
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To: Sola Veritas

On this issue, Mr. Farah has taken the high ground. He isn’t calling Ms. Coulter names...but she?????

Farah is properly expressing a true conservative evangelical Christian viewpoint. Coulter has not.


2 posted on 08/23/2010 4:58:02 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Sola Veritas

You are right,but pride runs Ann


3 posted on 08/23/2010 4:58:20 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Sola Veritas

Speaking to sinners is not compromising or appeasing. I guess it would depend on what was said. Maybe we should shun all sinners... which would bring all conversation to an end.


4 posted on 08/23/2010 4:58:44 PM PDT by joelt
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To: Sola Veritas

Perhaps Mr. Farah should try living his own life rather than living vicariously through Miss Coulter.


5 posted on 08/23/2010 4:58:58 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Sola Veritas
So did Farah criticize Ann when she spoke at liberal universities?

All Ann is doing is giving a speech. That's what she does for a living. She is not an elected official, holds no power, and is not a spokesperson for a religious entity.

BTW - Ann has always been outspoken against the militant homosexual agenda.

Farah is not looking at the bigger picture. He is allowing himself to be a distraction.

6 posted on 08/23/2010 5:01:22 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Mexico is the U.S. version of Hamas)
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To: joelt; Sola Veritas
There is a Christian "fringe" (they'll love that) who do make a claim that getting near sinners necessarily compromises morality.

I can read that in the Mahabarat or the Bhagavid Gita as well ~ it's the essence of the caste system.

One of the reasons I distrust people who resort to that argument.

7 posted on 08/23/2010 5:02:16 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Much of what you said is true, but here’s something to consider. Just as Ann Coulter has every right to determine which groups she will speak to, doesn’t Joseph Farah have the right to determine which viewpoints are espoused at the conference he is arranging? If you don’t approve of the speakers he is—or isn’t—inviting, then you don’t have to go.


8 posted on 08/23/2010 5:06:01 PM PDT by seanmerc
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To: Sola Veritas
Our freedoms are hanging by a thread and Farah wants to get into a pissing match with another fellow conservative.

This is just a ridiculous, silly sidebar issue that's nothing but a distraction from the overall goal of stopping the Marxist Left.

I can't wait for Ann's Wednesday column that's going to blow Farah away to Timbuktu. The last thing you want to do is get into a fight with Ann. She took on both Liz Cheney and Kristol, for crying out loud.

9 posted on 08/23/2010 5:09:18 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Mexico is the U.S. version of Hamas)
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To: joelt

Everyone you talk to is a sinner.


10 posted on 08/23/2010 5:10:45 PM PDT by donna (Is Ann Coulter still friends with David Brock?)
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To: muawiyah

You miss the larger point. This is a meeting of an avowed homosexual group. They are clearly not repentant. In fact, homosexuality is the cause that drives them, otherwise they would be just another conservative group. I doubt Ann is going there to stand up for Christian truth. More likely, she will speak about political issues and ignore the larger issue of the group’s homosexual activism. That gives the group her tacit approval.

Christians aren’t supposed to avoid sinners. That is true. Christians also aren’t supposed to proselytize someone every time they meet them. BUT, this isn’t some chance or private interaction between believer and sinners. It’s a speech to a group with the EXPRESS political purpose of normalizing homosexuality, an abomination.

It’s deceptive, in my opinion, to frame this as a simple, private interaction between a believer and sinners.


11 posted on 08/23/2010 5:14:05 PM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: muawiyah

BTW, a lot depends on how Ann handles the meeting. I’m neither fully opposed or in favor of the speech. If she stands up for Christian truth, then she deserves our acclaim. If, on the other hand, she ignores the so called elephant in the room (aka homosexual activism), then she deserves our opposition. I think we should wait to see what she does before we reach a conclusion one way or the other.


12 posted on 08/23/2010 5:19:11 PM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: Sola Veritas

Wake me when the holier than thou crowd grows some real stones and attacks the sin of gluttony. Homosexuality is in truth a safe sin to pick on because honestly, they’re few in number. We got plenty of fatties though.


13 posted on 08/23/2010 5:19:56 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Sola Veritas
I think that Ann is a Roman Catholic, but I am not certain if that is correct. I do not look to Ann for theological direction or ethics. She is a lawyer and provocateur. I agree with many of her political views. I have learned over many years never to attribute much importance to any person.
14 posted on 08/23/2010 5:23:46 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

What I really don’t understand is this need to throw aside good people who are on our side because we are unhappy with one issue. I have supported a lot of politicians and none were ever right on every issue. I have had to compromise. Some are better than others, and if they are right on the most important things, and right on more things than other people, I will support them. Here we are talking about not even a politician but a pundit/commentator, and I will readily concede that though not perfect she is probably right more than she is wrong. She also seems to be right on the big issues. So, what is gained by making her a pariah? And not for a wrong position on an issue even, but for merely talking at an event. I really just don’t get it.


15 posted on 08/23/2010 5:25:29 PM PDT by cothrige
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To: Sola Veritas

I absolutely agree. Farah nailed it with this one. I have lost all respect for Ann Coulter......she is nothing but a RINO to me now in the same camp as Peggy Noonan.


16 posted on 08/23/2010 5:27:42 PM PDT by conservativegramma (RECESSION=Your neighbor loses his job; DEPRESSION=You lose your job; RECOVERY=Obama loses his job)
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To: Sola Veritas

I absolutely agree. Farah nailed it with this one. I have lost all respect for Ann Coulter......she is nothing but a RINO to me now in the same camp as Peggy Noonan.


17 posted on 08/23/2010 5:27:54 PM PDT by conservativegramma (RECESSION=Your neighbor loses his job; DEPRESSION=You lose your job; RECOVERY=Obama loses his job)
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To: Sola Veritas

I absolutely agree. Farah nailed it with this one. I have lost all respect for Ann Coulter......she is nothing but a RINO to me now in the same camp as Peggy Noonan.


18 posted on 08/23/2010 5:27:54 PM PDT by conservativegramma (RECESSION=Your neighbor loses his job; DEPRESSION=You lose your job; RECOVERY=Obama loses his job)
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To: cothrige
She also seems to be right on the big issues. So, what is gained by making her a pariah? And not for a wrong position on an issue even, but for merely talking at an event. I really just don’t get it.

Who is trying to make her a pariah? Ann is way too popular and, as you say, way too right on many issues. Nobody is trying to ostracize her. But when she, or any other conservative, is wrong, should she not be questioned, or disagreed with, simply because she is popular? In fact, it is her popularity that makes this whole thing an issue, because she lends much weight to whichever groups she embraces.
19 posted on 08/23/2010 5:29:46 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
going to blow Farah away to Timbuktu
Yes, she probably will. She's that talented. Far more talented, and powerful, than Farah.

Which is why she should have kept her cool. She wasn't cool on this issue. Normally she's very cool, isn't she?

We've read her columns and books on every conceivable lie and deception of the Liberals, and always, through it all, she's humorous... and she's cool.

But one conservative dares to criticize her and she goes through the ceiling.

It's not important to me the merits of the issue, Farah or Coulter, who is more right, who is more wrong. I'm judging this one soley on behavior.

Farah is staying cool... and polite.

Coulter has gone way way off the deep end in a way she never, ever has against any single liberal or commie on earth.

Why?

I think she's becoming unhinged.

20 posted on 08/23/2010 5:30:44 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: Sola Veritas

Here’s a question, Would we all be happier if Rahm Emmanuel spoke to HOMOCON? Isn’t everyone better off with Ann speaking to them?


21 posted on 08/23/2010 5:33:18 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: Melas
Wake me when the holier than thou crowd grows some real stones and attacks the sin of gluttony. Homosexuality is in truth a safe sin to pick on because honestly, they’re few in number. We got plenty of fatties though.

Screw that. We should be attacking vanity. Vanity is the worst!

By the way, have you noticed how all of the overweight homos are always looking at themselves in the mirror?
22 posted on 08/23/2010 5:33:34 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Nosterrex
I have learned over many years never to attribute much importance to any person.
That certainly applies here. This is a tempest in a teapot. Ann, for all her books, is a little person in the big political scheme of things (I'm just talking US politics, not cosmic meaning) and maybe that's why she hates Farah so much. In some way, he has reminded her of that fact.
23 posted on 08/23/2010 5:33:58 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: seanmerc
doesn’t Joseph Farah have the right to determine which viewpoints are espoused at the conference he is arranging?

He does. I don't disagree with what Farah said. But I do disagree with how he's handling it. A private phone call to Ann would have been the best way to go. Why publicize it knowing that the Left will then use it to highlight some "rift" among conservatives?

24 posted on 08/23/2010 5:36:54 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Mexico is the U.S. version of Hamas)
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To: cothrige
So, what is gained by making her a pariah?
How is uninviting her to a meeting that she claims now she was never invited to in the first place making her a pariah?

She's the one who flipped out. She's the one who has become unhinged over this.

I actually have no problem with her speaking at the faggot-con... but I also have no problem with Farah uninviting her to his own shindig.

Why did she have to get so freaking emotional about it?

She doesn't get emotional over the thousands of travesties she reports on that the liberals are doing to America... but she gets emotional over this?

Unhinged.

25 posted on 08/23/2010 5:37:25 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: fr_freak

Maybe I am misreading what I am hearing then, but it sounds to me like people really are looking to ostracize her. The rhetoric is pretty stern and seems focussed not on just disagreement, but seemingly much more to me. But, again, I may be wrong, and if so then please forget I said anything.


26 posted on 08/23/2010 5:38:56 PM PDT by cothrige
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To: Sola Veritas
On this issue, Mr. Farah has taken the high ground. He isn’t calling Ms. Coulter names...but she?????

If you consider releasing SELECTED excerpts of private communications to bolster your own point the "high ground", then you might have a point...

27 posted on 08/23/2010 5:39:13 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: cothrige

Good point! I don’t agree with everything Farah or Ann say, but they are both with us far more often than they’re against us. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t discuss whether a particular act is right or wrong, but it does mean we shouldn’t write either of them off. They’re both allies.


28 posted on 08/23/2010 5:39:39 PM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
So did Farah criticize Ann when she spoke at liberal universities?

Are they asking for special rights as a group? This is not the same.

29 posted on 08/23/2010 5:39:55 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Our freedoms are hanging by a thread and Farah wants to get into a pissing match with another fellow conservative.

Farah has a right to his opinion. You don't agree with his opinion. Fine. But he has a right to give it and explain. THAT'S called FREEDOM. You back Coulters right to speak to whomever she likes and take their money. Give Farrah the same right.

30 posted on 08/23/2010 5:43:31 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: samtheman
I actually have no problem with her speaking at the faggot-con... but I also have no problem with Farah uninviting her to his own shindig.

Oh, I agree. He has every right to invite and uninvite. I don't see any problem with that. I was thinking more about the tone on FreeRepublic and other such places in general. That is what confuses me. Somebody up the thread a bit said he/she was "writing her off" and called her a RINO. To me that seems pariah-ish, if you know what I mean. But, again, I really might very well be wrong, as I am just going on what I seem to be picking up on around these forums.

31 posted on 08/23/2010 5:47:25 PM PDT by cothrige
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To: CitizenUSA
The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

You heard the news that for a very narrow class of girls with indeterminant genitalia they now have a drug that will reduce the incidence of lesbianism.

The rest of it is coming.

In the future there will be no homosexuals ~ they have to prepare for that now and get right with God ~ Who will chose His own prophets as he sees fit.

32 posted on 08/23/2010 5:48:11 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: joelt
Speaking to sinners is not compromising or appeasing.

Coulter is affirming the sin and legitimizing the agenda of GOProud.

33 posted on 08/23/2010 5:49:51 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: cothrige
This isn't the only problem recently. Coulter also backed Romney for Prez.

I disagree with Coulters choice on Homocon. But I was never a "fan". I don't follow any pundits/commentators.

34 posted on 08/23/2010 5:50:48 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: CitizenUSA
They’re both allies.

Absolutely. Given the tiny number of people out there really working for conservative ideas, when compared with the many who are on the other side in the media and such, we really need all we can get. For that reason I don't understand why people are making a big deal out of this. It seems a bad time to start sniping amongst ourselves.

35 posted on 08/23/2010 5:51:02 PM PDT by cothrige
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
So did Farah criticize Ann when she spoke at liberal universities?

I doubt it because she was likely speaking to conservative groups within those universities.

36 posted on 08/23/2010 5:51:11 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Are they asking for special rights as a group? This is not the same.

Of course it's the same. Ann is routinely shouted down and denounced at liberal universities. Liberals don't believe in her free speech rights. Has Farah ever criticized liberals when they did this?

Farah has a right to his opinion.

I disagree with how he communicated said opinion, not the opinion itself.

You don't agree with his opinion. Fine. But he has a right to give it and explain. THAT'S called FREEDOM.

See previous post

You back Coulters right to speak to whomever she likes and take their money. Give Farrah the same right.

Farah has the right to denounce a speech Ann hasn't given yet and then hyberbolically conclude that it's the end of Western Civilization as we know it?

37 posted on 08/23/2010 5:52:02 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Mexico is the U.S. version of Hamas)
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To: Ol' Sparky
Coulter is affirming the sin and legitimizing the agenda of GOProud

Coulter wields no official power. How is she legitimizing this group?

38 posted on 08/23/2010 5:54:17 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Mexico is the U.S. version of Hamas)
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To: Sola Veritas

Didn’t President Ronald Reagan once say something to the effect of someone who agrees with me 80% of the time is not my 20% enemy? Ann Coulter does not agree with me 100% of the time (only I agree with me 100% of the time), but that does not make her not a conservative. It just makes her wrong once in a while.


39 posted on 08/23/2010 5:55:59 PM PDT by BruceS
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To: DJ MacWoW

Yeah, i am much the same. She is okay, usually right, but I am not a “fan.” As for Romney, well I don’t much worry about that. Lots of people picked losers, and there were worse out there than Romney. It seems to me that Coulter is a pragmatist, and I figure the best shot at winning in her book is going to be the course she thinks is best. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if she picked Romney simply because she thought he had the best chance to win in that particular race. But, maybe not. And, in any case, I won’t second guess her too much on that one. McCain certainly wasn’t the best choice, and apparently more people picked him. Go figure.


40 posted on 08/23/2010 5:56:59 PM PDT by cothrige
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To: muir_redwoods
All depends on what she says to them.

They're stated mission is all "gay" issues, all the time. Not conservative issues, "gay" issues.

Chairman of the Board, Christopher Barron:

"We are a gay organization, we only work on gay issues, we have never claimed otherwise. My God people."

Twitter Aug 4, 2010 http://twitter.com/

41 posted on 08/23/2010 5:58:01 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. C. S. L)
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To: Ol' Sparky
I doubt it because she was likely speaking to conservative groups within those universities.

Not true. Her speeches at universities are attended by general audiences who aren't part of the school. The school itself is just the setting, until the leftist disruptors show up.

42 posted on 08/23/2010 5:58:35 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Mexico is the U.S. version of Hamas)
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To: Sola Veritas

I’ll be interested to see the text of her speech.

Remember what happened when National Review showed her the door for her piece (written after the death of her friend Barbara Olsen on 911) where she calls for converting our enemies to Christianity. No one really cares what Rich Lowry thinks about anything but everyone remembers what Ann had to say.

Farah runs the same risk. I like Ann and I occasionally read Farah. I don’t have to choose between them fortunately and I won’t. But he didn’t have to make a public deal out of all this, he could have handled it like a friend, with a phone call. And if she didn’t see it his way, it could have been left out of the public eye.


43 posted on 08/23/2010 5:59:03 PM PDT by marron
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To: joelt

No, we shouldn’t shun all sinners, but, to deliver a speech for money at this type of event does undermine the fact that Jesus asked, “what fellowship does light have with darkness?” When Jesus sat down with sinners, he sure didn’t condone their actions nor lend credence to their sinful behavior. He didn’t compromise on his Father’s righteousness, which I believe is what Ann is doing for the sake of money. IMO, her giving this speech is compromising or appeasing our foundational values system. She is saying what they are promoting is ok because, she a conservative agrees to speak at their gathering.


44 posted on 08/23/2010 6:00:53 PM PDT by Catsrus (Have)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Of course it's the same.

No. It's not. Universities are not a group that is insisting on special rights based on a deviant behavior.

I disagree with how he communicated said opinion, not the opinion itself.

I disagree with Coulter calling him a fake Christian. Who is recognizing a deviant group by giving a keynote speech?

Farah has the right to denounce a speech Ann hasn't given yet

Farrah has the right to disagree with a "conservative" that has accepted to appear as the keynote speaker at a homosexual convention and referred to herself as the "Judy Garland of the right".

In case you don't get the reference, homosexuals love Judy Garland.

45 posted on 08/23/2010 6:02:06 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Sola Veritas

I don’t care about Farah and Ann is all about Ann. Always was and always will be. As long as she is being discussed, it’s a happy day for her.

I do consider her a poor example of Christinaity but I suppose we all are who profess belief. I just wish she wouldn’t climb on her high horse and claim people as “false” Christians when her own personal life has been far from godly. And Ann...homosexuality is a sin. Pretty major one. I don’t hate gay people by any means but you can be friends without rationalizing it’s really not so bad...


46 posted on 08/23/2010 6:02:55 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

So will the liberals at Homocon denounce her when she slams the unconstitutional “gay” agenda that they promote?

Or will she not denounce their agenda?


47 posted on 08/23/2010 6:03:08 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. C. S. L)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

So what if she took on Liz Cheney and Billy Kristol? That doesn’t maker her decision to speak at this group right. We are to love the sinner, but, not the sin. There has been enough compromise in this country which has served to undermine our belief and values system.

Blow Farah away? Apparently, you don’t know the scriptures very well. While she may resort to some snarky comments, Farrah stands on the scriptures, and therefore, Ann is in a p***ing match with God’s word. We’ll see who wins in that debate.


48 posted on 08/23/2010 6:03:53 PM PDT by Catsrus (Have)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Coulter wields no official power. How is she legitimizing this group?

She is held up a conservative icon. Her appearance gives them legitimacy.

49 posted on 08/23/2010 6:04:09 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: CitizenUSA

I seriously doubt she is going there to speak to them about the error of their ways. Otherwise, she wouldn’t be invited. They don’t want to hear that. They want to infiltrate the conservative movement in this country. Remember, it was Eve who was first deceived by the serpent, not Adam. He only went along with her.


50 posted on 08/23/2010 6:05:26 PM PDT by Catsrus (Have)
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