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Weak GDP raises stakes for Obama, Fed (running out of options)
latimes ^ | Thursday August 26, 2010 | Jim Puzzanghera,

Posted on 08/26/2010 7:53:09 PM PDT by Bigtigermike

Growth figures are expected to show the economy is almost at a standstill, but the government is running out of options to rebuild momentum.

The widening consensus that the U.S. economy has slowed to a crawl will be hammered home Friday with the government's expected announcement that the nation's second-quarter growth was far more anemic than previously estimated.

Many economists believe the Commerce Department will revise its estimate of growth in gross domestic product to 1.3% or lower, down from 2.4% — a dismal performance, especially as the country struggles to rebound from recession.

A bad GDP number would cap a week's worth of troubling developments in the housing and financial markets, and ratchet up the pressure on President Obama and congressional Democrats heading into November's midterm elections.

But just as there is widespread agreement that the economy is faltering, there is also a sense that the federal government is running out of options to rebuild momentum.

"Housing is in the tank. Confidence is going down. The stock market is going down. It's hard to imagine how consumers will spend," said Sung Won Sohn, an economics professor at Cal State Channel Islands and former chief economist for Wells Fargo.

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KEYWORDS: economy; elections; obama; stockmarket
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May God have mercy upon US!
1 posted on 08/26/2010 7:53:10 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: Bigtigermike

This is the point where they invent an adversary and rally the country to war.

I do feel sorry for the English. They’ll never know what hit them.


2 posted on 08/26/2010 7:54:31 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Bigtigermike

Um, how about cutting taxes and spending?


3 posted on 08/26/2010 7:55:56 PM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG 49) "Freedom's Fortress")
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To: Bigtigermike
Save us Ben!! Print Mo' Money!


4 posted on 08/26/2010 7:56:49 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

>> I do feel sorry for the English. They’ll never know what hit them.

Why not the Canadians? :-)


5 posted on 08/26/2010 7:56:58 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: Bigtigermike

“Running out of options” is a bit optimistic.


6 posted on 08/26/2010 7:57:01 PM PDT by Enterprise (As a disaster unfolds, a putz putts.)
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To: Bigtigermike

I say they will announce 0.8-1 and revise it down later to 0.5.


7 posted on 08/26/2010 7:58:06 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Playing by the rules only works if both sides do it!)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
Look, a big part of our economic problem is we succeeded in developing "socialism in one country". We have at least a 15 year overhang on housing. Builders invited in millions of Latino laborers to help build more living space than this country could use, and at incredibly lower prices (once the bottom fell out of the housing market).

Now is the time to buy the home of your dreams ~ if you could borrow money.

8 posted on 08/26/2010 7:58:21 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Bigtigermike

Thank God, Obama will be back next week.
Things just fell apart while he was not there to guide the country. /s


9 posted on 08/26/2010 7:59:14 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

yah...except to date, the only adversary The Regime has been interested in actively pursuing is the local Citizenry...


10 posted on 08/26/2010 8:02:19 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Now what kind of a geroo are you anyway?)
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To: Bigtigermike

thinking a 2-2.2% drop in the markets tomorrow.


11 posted on 08/26/2010 8:02:55 PM PDT by misterrob (Thug Life....now showing at a White House near you....)
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To: Bigtigermike

Simple, revise the “expectations” downward so you can announce “better than expected”.


12 posted on 08/26/2010 8:03:20 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Bigtigermike
LOL

But what about those 3 million jobs the GAO just said were created by the Stimulus?????

ROFL

13 posted on 08/26/2010 8:05:02 PM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Mexico’s closer... and we have justification for that war.


14 posted on 08/26/2010 8:10:08 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Nervous Tick
Why not the Canadians? :-)

I've always been suspicious about those Canadians.

No doot aboot it, eh?

15 posted on 08/26/2010 8:10:27 PM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: Bigtigermike

1.3% I laugh at your inane figures.

Try this one on for size.

They will do a snapshot window, three months from now and it will end up being less than 1%.

It’s all yours Barry.

You made bad decisions, dealt yourself three extra hands and then doubled down.

None of your policies, that is your policies have worked.

It’s all you.


16 posted on 08/26/2010 8:11:57 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: neodad

>>Um, how about cutting taxes and spending?<<

UTTER MADNESS!! [so say our overlords & masters]
Then again, if I were running for office [age currently prevents me] it’d be on an “Extreme Constitutionalist” platform, meaning:
a) No Department of Energy
b) No Department of Education
c) No Department of Agriculture
d) No NASA (some claim it necessary for defense, if so put it under the appropriate military branch)
e) No BATFE
f) No Air Force (fold them into the Army from whence they came: the Army Air Corp; or amend the Constitution to allow an Air Force — Marines are under the Navy which is Constitutionally authorized.)
g) Reduction in the Department of Transportation to little more than maintaining federal roads, rails & bridges.
h) No Department of Labor
i) No Environmental Protection Agency
j) No Center for Disease Control
k) No Medicare
l) No Medicaid
m) No Social Security
n) No Department of Health and Human Services
o) No Department of Housing and Urban Development
p) No Drug Enforcement Administration
q) No Equal Employment Opportunity Commission
r) No Bureau of Industry and Security
s) No FEMA
t) No Federal Communications Commission
u) No Federal Student Aid
v) No Food and Drug Administration
w) No Internal Revenue Service
x) No Securities and Exchange Commission
y) No Selective Service System
z) No Occupational Safety & Health Administration
...and I ran out of letters.


17 posted on 08/26/2010 8:14:12 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Bigtigermike

Heres a clue : Cut government spending.


18 posted on 08/26/2010 8:15:44 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Nervous Tick
Why not the Canadians? :-)

"Surrender pronto, or we bomb Toronto" -President Alan Alda in "Canadian Bacon"

19 posted on 08/26/2010 8:18:20 PM PDT by scottinoc
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Wrong target! Israel first!!


20 posted on 08/26/2010 8:19:30 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: Nervous Tick

21 posted on 08/26/2010 8:20:18 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Nervous Tick

Last time we fought Canada they burned down the White House.

...Hmmm, you got a point there.


22 posted on 08/26/2010 8:24:20 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: neodad
Um, how about cutting taxes and spending?

These are two of tenants of my five-point economy recovery plan:

1) Drastically overhaul or even phase out the income tax. The current system costs Americans US$304 BILLION per year in compliance costs, drives jobs out of the country and may have driven circa US$16 TRILLION in American-owned liquid assets into the underground economy or to offshore financial centers to keep these assets out of the reach of the IRS--sheer economic insanity. A major change like Steve Forbes' flat tax plan or even FairTax would encourage Americans to keep their savings and investments in the USA (e.g., bring back most of that US$16 TRILLION now out of the US financial system, essentially the world's largest "private bailout"), encourage Americans to just save and invest more in general, and favors cash financing over debt financing, all good for the US economy.

2) Aggressively reign in the excesses of Wall Street. We need to require real liquidity backing to trade in hedge funds, derivatives, credit default swaps and other "exotic" investments, increase the minimum margin requirements for futures and index trades to 15%, re-impose the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act to "firewall" bank assets from the ups and downs of the stock market, and revise the Sarbanes-Oxley Act. These changes will drastically slow down the speculator-caused violent price spikes up and down that can have serious inflationary or deflationary effects, help protect bank assets, and encourage Americans to invest in stocks and mutual funds that have a more steady return on investment.

3) Aggressively use the Sherman and Clayton Antitrust Acts or replace these acts with a modern version and use them to break up some of the biggest companies in the USA. Too much concentration of power in a relatively small number of companies can have disastrous economic results, as we've seen from the failed monopolies during the 19th Century era of robber barons and the deadly effect of the failure of Lehman Brothers because another financial company with huge influence, Goldman Sachs, won't support them. I'm sure you know that Goldman Sachs was heavily involved in the type of margin trades that caused the 1929 stock market crash and they used a series of complex credit default swaps to "clean up" the Greek economic balance books so Greece could join the Eurozone--with the usual disastrous results down the road. Indeed, Apple, Incorporated, the current darling of the tech industry, should be split into two parts (one based on the Macintosh desktop/laptop computing platform and one based on the iPhone/iPad mobile computing platform) to prevent the type of power concentration that Microsoft nearly pulled off in the late 1990's.

4) Aggressively audit EVERY Federal, state and local government agency. Use the audit results to look for bureaucratic overlap and agency bloat so we can cut the size of government at minimum 30% immediately and eventually cut it by as much as 60%. Government spending is running out of control and cutting government spending 30 to 60 percent would go a long way to towards freeing up funds for private business expansion, something real necessary for long-term economic growth.

5) Begin a decade-long phase out of the Federal Reserve Note fiat currency and replace it with a new US dollar backed by a combination of gold, silver, platinum, palladium, copper and nickel--the most common metals used for bullion blocks and coins used in legal monetary transactions. As historical precedent has shown, money backed by "faith in government" instead of a real tangible asset like the metals I mentioned lose value and causes no end of inflationary problems that can wipe out economies over time.

23 posted on 08/26/2010 8:34:45 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Bigtigermike

lol they caused the biggest part of this mess. now we suffer


24 posted on 08/26/2010 8:35:01 PM PDT by dalebert (true hillbilly)
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To: Bigtigermike

Negative intrest loans will be the last straw.


25 posted on 08/26/2010 8:45:28 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (m)
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To: Bigtigermike

Expect the feds to ask to see your wallet when you take the kids out for ice cream.


26 posted on 08/26/2010 9:00:18 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Help fight government obesity! Throw the bums out in November!)
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To: Bigtigermike

Sh*t is about ready to hit the fan. Geez, hang on tight.


27 posted on 08/26/2010 9:23:17 PM PDT by waxer1 ( "The Bible is the rock on which our republic rests." -Andrew Jackson)
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To: neodad
Um, how about cutting taxes and spending?

And regulations including the new 1099 rules.

Reagan showed how it was done not all that long ago. It's amazing how both parties have forgotten.

28 posted on 08/26/2010 9:30:59 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Politicians exist to break windows so they may spend other people's money to fix them.)
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To: Bigtigermike
This sh!t is so simple it's frustrating to see folks flummoxed by it.

If Uncle Sam would cut spending by 50-60% and taxes by 25% tomorrow, this would all be a bad dream in 3years.

29 posted on 08/26/2010 9:33:38 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Vendome

Over at DU they are now claiming Obama is play 11 dimensional chess!


30 posted on 08/26/2010 9:40:53 PM PDT by ScoopAmma (We are led by the Resident -in Chief; aka part-time member of Webelo Troop 44)
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To: ScoopAmma

I think you misread that.

Barry is plain Demented or Delusional and is getting body checked by the economy.

Doh!


31 posted on 08/26/2010 9:47:56 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Bigtigermike

They are running out official “Socialist Approved” options. It sickens me that there has been absolutely NO discussion of Conservative ideas (cut spnding, cut marginal tax rates, etc.). This is what happens when there is no competition between ideas, and the media has totally thrown in with the socialist agenda.


32 posted on 08/26/2010 10:18:39 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government -- Thomas Paine)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
This is the point where they invent an adversary and rally the country to war.
I do feel sorry for the English. They’ll never know what hit them.
We're not quite there yet...


...First 0bama needs to invade Poland.
 
33 posted on 08/26/2010 10:25:40 PM PDT by counterpunch (Imam B'araq Hussein Mohammad 0bama, President of the 57 States of Islam.)
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To: muawiyah
Now is the time to buy the home of your dreams ~ if you could borrow money.

Buy the dream home and unfortunately, ever rising property taxes will steal it away from you.

34 posted on 08/26/2010 11:07:24 PM PDT by GregoryFul
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To: Bigtigermike

The gov isn’t out of options. Debt is deflationary. Cut the debt and you will cut deflation. End the debt and you will begin the end of the recession.


35 posted on 08/26/2010 11:18:27 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Bigtigermike

Does this mean that when they revise the figure to a more realistic 2.0 to 2.2 from 2.4 that it will be considered good news? No economist in his right mind expects the drop to be half of the original...


36 posted on 08/27/2010 1:21:16 AM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Southack
If you saw my five-point economic recovery plan further up the message thread, one part was to audit EVERY Federal, state and local government agency for bureaucratic overlap and agency bloat and use the audit results to cut the size of government at minimum 30% and possibly as much as 60%. Just this would substantially cut government debt and free up money normally going to government to stay in private hands, which would go a long way towards real economic recovery.
37 posted on 08/27/2010 4:17:18 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: mylife

Leave him alone, he’s buying shrimp and trying to eat his waffle.


38 posted on 08/27/2010 4:35:58 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: muawiyah

Would you buy a home if you knew that whatever the purchase price in 5 years it would lose 20-25% of its value/resale value?


39 posted on 08/27/2010 4:42:10 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: OneWingedShark

But their leaders are of the same ideological stripe as Obammie the Commie. And he loves their thuggery. As another suggested, Canada would be his preferred “local” adversary, though he would have trouble attacking Socialists, too. His excuse for attacking Socialist England would be that they have been a too-close partner of Evil America. Guilt by association and all that.


40 posted on 08/27/2010 4:44:23 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: OneWingedShark
You could ELIMINATE every single federal agency including DOD and USPS and the savings in salaries and operating costs would be covered up by the rounding factors in the federal budget.
41 posted on 08/27/2010 5:08:52 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
Certainly ~ if the aggregate out of pocket costs were less than renting the same quality house at a comparable location.

Otherwise where would I live?

Remember, homes should ideally first serve the purpose of providing shelter.

42 posted on 08/27/2010 5:10:23 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Yes, I agree.

But the danger is that if house prices fall another 20% or so (as I believe they will), that this is not an isolated occurrence, but one symptom of a systemic disease. And the problem with that is that you will be stuck (if you want to play by the rules) paying a lot of money each month that you will never get back — money that you may desperately need to spend on other things, like food.

A lot of realtors are saying this is the perfect time to buy, as they always do. I just don’t think a lot of people are going to agree. We now have over 9 months of backlogged inventory. I don’t think people believe they will not be able to buy a home cheaper if they wait till next year, and that mentality will perpetuate until the bottom has been clearly defined.


43 posted on 08/27/2010 5:35:22 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
Even during periods of deflation you gotta' have a place to live. It's very easy to compare values going up or down ~ just use your discount rate to find the net present value at the end of the period with which you are concerned.

I said if it's cheaper to buy than to rent, then buy, otherwise rent.

44 posted on 08/27/2010 5:41:54 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
SECOND ANSWER ~ if you would like prices to go up, in general, what you do is get together with a whole bunch of people who have faith in the sort of economics Roosevelt and others believed in when they killed millions of baby pigs.

Then you arrange to destroy several million surplus homes.

BTW, I checked on how references to that event in the Roosevelt years were working out and discovered that even Glenn Beck has used this story several times in the last couple of years.

I've been using it on the internet since 1996 ~ and it's a good one. Amazing how many people imagine that you can force up the price of a single commodity by simply reducing the supply on hand.

It doesn't actually work that way ~ and Audie Murphy could have told you that if "they" tried to raise the price of pork his Mom still couldn't pay it so he'd continue to supplement the family diet with "free" wild squirrel meat, and I must say, squirrel is a lot more tasty than pig any time, and beats the heck out of beef, chicken or prime Norwegian rat ~

Back to the point ~ you may think you have control of the commodity that's dropping in price but you don't. There are always displacements available, and they will pop up if the public can't pay the price.

For example, I can't afford another house at the moment ~ so no matter how low the prices go I'm not going to buy one, and if you burn down an empty house in my neighborhood what we end up with is a trash strewn concrete foundation!

That's not progress of any kind.

45 posted on 08/27/2010 5:50:39 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: screaminsunshine

GMTA

“Maybe a negative 1% prime rate would do the trick. Call it the “Cash for Cashier’s Checks” program.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2578098/posts?page=42#42


46 posted on 08/27/2010 5:55:21 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Compact Theory)
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To: RayChuang88

Indeed, it is time for an audit.

Just for starters, I’d like to see receipts for the Porkulus money. I want to know exactly who or what entity has parked the cash.


47 posted on 08/27/2010 5:58:25 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Compact Theory)
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To: All

fire-up the presses..


48 posted on 08/27/2010 6:00:10 AM PDT by newnhdad (The longest of journeys begins with one step.)
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To: ltc8k6

Mmmmm...
Waffles and shrimp grits...


49 posted on 08/27/2010 7:23:50 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: Bigtigermike

They haven’t run out of options, they have run out of socialist options but the options that work are not being tried nor will they be until we get conservatives in office.


50 posted on 08/27/2010 7:27:10 AM PDT by calex59
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