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Glenn Beck rally attendance: calculating how many really showed up (Remote sensing est.: > 800,000)
Christian Science Monitor ^ | 08/30/2010 | Peter Grier

Posted on 08/30/2010 2:09:21 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Glenn Beck rally attendance has become hotly contested following Saturday's event in Washington. But from Woodstock to the Million Man March, figuring out the number of people who show up at big events has never been easy.

Can we really get an accurate count of the number of people who attended Saturday's Glenn Beck “Restoring Honor” rally? The answer might be, “No, we can’t.”

Crowd-counting science is far from exact. Much of it is based on examination of overhead photos to calculate crowd density and related statistics. It reminds us of the old intelligence agency practice of “shedology,” in which the Central Intelligence Agency and others estimated Soviet weapons numbers by looking at overhead photos of military sheds and calculating how many tanks they might hold.

Plus, numbers are inevitably colored by an estimator’s interest. Rally organizers usually say crowds were huge, bigger than expected. Critics will say the numbers were less than anticipated. That’s been the case for years.

That’s led to controversy in the past. In October 1995, the National Park Service estimated that about 400,000 people attended the “Million Man March” organized by the Nation of Islam and Louis Farrakhan. Organizers were so angry they sent lawyers to meet with the Park Service.

Shortly thereafter, the Boston University Center for Remote Sensing estimated that the crowd had been 837,000, plus or minus 20 percent. What was the difference? The Park Service counted via pictures taken from videotape. The Center for Remote Sensing used original photo negatives.

Photos of the Beck event clearly show a big crowd. The weather was great – whatever the exact figure, there were a lot of people there.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 828; dc; glennbeck; rally; restorehonor; restoringhonor
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To: defal33
My family and I sat underneath the trees and were shoulder to shoulder with other familys, where there was shade...the crowd was packed THICK under it! Can only see how much from the ground level photos.

Not only under the trees, but people were arriving throughout the event. While walking around the west side of the Lincoln Memorial around just before 1100 there was a steady stream crossing the bridge from Arlington Cemetery. No doubt the same was happening from other directions, due in part to the Metro backups that others have reported. It was a dynamic situation.
51 posted on 08/30/2010 3:56:55 PM PDT by VAarea
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To: SeekAndFind; haywoodwebb
Just for perspective, this was the Promise Keepers "Stand in the Gap" event Oct 4, 1997. I was there . . .

The National Parks service would not admit it was a million men . . . I believe it was about 1.2M

Compare this photo with the ones from last Saturday for perspective . . .

52 posted on 08/30/2010 4:03:57 PM PDT by blues_guitarist (ISLAM=DEATH!! . . . . . . black & humble . . .)
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To: the_Watchman

Mea Culpa, I completely overlooked that part.

53 posted on 08/30/2010 4:20:48 PM PDT by ken in texas (Proudly posting without reading the full title since 1999.)
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To: ken in texas

The article was not well constructed. The paragraph break was probably not in the best place and it would be easy for a quick reader to come to the wrong conclusion.

54 posted on 08/30/2010 4:27:25 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: SeekAndFind

Glenn spoke about the bullet proof vest on today’s show

55 posted on 08/30/2010 4:50:25 PM PDT by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: Northern Yankee
Sarah was also wearing a vest...

56 posted on 08/30/2010 4:54:56 PM PDT by luckybogey
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To: SeekAndFind

It was an enormous crowd, and it was pathetic how MSM tried to spin Rev. Al’s.

57 posted on 08/30/2010 5:00:37 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: luckybogey

How can you tell or how do you know.

I could tell on Glenn, but what do I know about women's clothes and vest-type top she is wearing.

58 posted on 08/30/2010 5:02:50 PM PDT by taildragger ((Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: luckybogey

How can you tell or how do you know.

I could tell on Glenn, but what do I know about women's clothes and vest-type top she is wearing.

59 posted on 08/30/2010 5:03:07 PM PDT by taildragger ((Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: CharlesMartelsGhost

RE: Accompanied by this public service ad to counteract the Restoring Honor attendees.

Obama did respond when asked whether he watched the rally. He said he didn’t and then gave a standard == “I’m glad that people are exercising their freedom of speech”.

In other words, he’s not interested in what hundreds of thousands (perhaps a million) Americans are concerned with.

But then he has the time to wade in to the matter of the ground zero mosque when a handful for Muslims are agitating for it.

Talk about where his priorities lie...

60 posted on 08/30/2010 5:23:50 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: chris37
"What struck me is that people putting on an event about restoring honor had to wear bullet proof vests under clothes. "

Did you also notice the marksmen (snipers) stationed atop the Lincoln Memorial and the two largest "frames" at the extreme left and right of the podium?

Oh... and the armed escorts/bodyguards?

61 posted on 08/30/2010 5:30:20 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: luckybogey

Good to know... I think....

62 posted on 08/30/2010 5:36:31 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Artcore

RE: And they left the place spotless!



Martin Luther King Jr.’s personal attorney and speechwriter, Clarence B. Jones, said he believes King would not have been offended by Beck’s rally but “pleased and honored”.

Jones — now a visiting professor at Stanford University — said the Beck rally seemed to be tasteful and did not appear to distort King’s message.

James Freeman, in an op-ed for the The Wall Street Journal, wrote positively about the rally, remarking that “the day was largely devoted to expressions of gratitude for the sacrifices of U.S. soldiers, for great men of American history like the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., and for God.”

After noting how the crowd refused to boo during the closing prayer upon the mention of President Obama, Freeman theorized that “between Saturday’s crowd in Washington and the tea partiers agitating for limited government, we may be witnessing the rebuilding of the Reagan coalition, the fusion of religious and economic conservatives.”



Bill Press, who attended the rally personally, criticized the “Christian religious fervor” of the event, remarking that at one point he expected Beck “to part the Reflecting Pool and walk across it.”


In discussing the setting among the crowd, Press stated that it was “a strange combination of political rally and religious revival”, which left him surrounded by the “old, white, and angry.”

Eric Deggans, media critic for the St. Petersburg Times, hypothesized that with the rally, Beck had created a blueprint for “ultra-conservative” Tea Party activists to “look more mainstream to independent voters” before the November 2010 midterm elections.


63 posted on 08/30/2010 6:13:15 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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I did not notice either of these two security items, but I am glad that they were in place.

64 posted on 08/30/2010 6:18:44 PM PDT by chris37
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To: Catsrus
I guess I’m wondering why people are hung up on numbers.

The numbers matter.

Imagine if only 3 people had shown?

What 3 million had shown?

Obviously the political implecations would be very different.

65 posted on 08/30/2010 7:20:08 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five business worries of the Amercan Farmer for the past 50 years)
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To: Loyal Buckeye; SeekAndFind

The WMATA (DC Metro) today gave a count for Metro ridership on Saturday .. noting that it included riders for the Beck and Sharpton rallies, and the Nationals game that night. They said the ridership didn’t rank among the top 10 Metro events in its 30+ year history. It would be interesting to now what the top 10 events were.

On the other hand, Sharpton let slip with O’Reilly that “we knew how many we were going to have because we knew how many buses WE hired” or something awfully close to that.

I’d like to see the Metro usage at the Metro station near Dunbar High School, where Sharpton’s event was held; it is highly unlikely any of the Beck people rode to or from that station. That would eliminate a couple hundred from the Metro rolls. Similarly, they could eliminate the traffic at the station nearest to the Nationals stadium, as that is also nowhere near where Bec,’s rally was held, or where out of towners would have been riding to get to the rally.

When we left the rally, on the earlier side, there was a line a couple blocks long of riders trying to get on at the Smithsonian station. We skipped out, and walked a few blocks to another station that also eliminated our having to transfer. But the crowd at the Smithsonian was totally civil despite having to stand in line in the head and direct sunlight.

66 posted on 08/30/2010 7:37:26 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Balding_Eagle

But, it wasn’t supposed to be a political rally.

67 posted on 08/30/2010 9:32:27 PM PDT by Catsrus (Have)
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To: isthisnickcool
"Obama is nothing. A nobody. He is an empty suit full of empty words peddling a gay bicycle. He inspires nothing good. Beck is a person that does."


68 posted on 08/31/2010 4:16:10 AM PDT by Beloved Levinite (I have a new name for the occupier of The Oval Office: KING FRAUD! (pronounced King "Faa-raud"))
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To: Catsrus

Even though it wasn’t a political rally, it has political implications.

69 posted on 08/31/2010 7:04:22 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five business worries of the Amercan Farmer for the past 50 years)
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To: Beloved Levinite

Thanks for the image. That was done by Linda Eddy. She is great!

70 posted on 08/31/2010 7:40:20 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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