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10 American Cities That Are Dead Forever
Business Insider ^ | 09/01/2010

Posted on 09/01/2010 9:31:43 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

A city does not die when its last resident moves away. Death happens when municipalities lose the industries and vital populations that made them important cities.

The economy has evolved so much since the middle of the 20th Century that many cities that were among the largest and most vibrant in America have collapsed. Some have lost more than half of their residents. Others have lost the businesses that made them important centers of finance, manufacturing, and commerce.

Most of America’s Ten Dead Cities were once major manufacturing hubs and others were important ports or financial services centers. The downfall of one city, New Orleans, began in the 1970s, but was accelerated by Hurricane Katrina.

Notably, the rise of inexpensive manufacturing in Japan destroyed the ability of the industrial cities on this list to effectively compete in the global marketplace. Foreign business activity and US government policy were two of the three major blows that caused the downfall of these cities. The third was the labor movement and its demands for higher compensation which ballooned the costs of manufacturing in many of these cities as well.

24/7 Wall St. looked at a number of sources in order to select the list. One was the US Census Bureau’s list of largest cities by population by decade from 1950 to 2000 with estimates for 2007. Detroit, for example, had 1.9 million people in 1950 and was the fifth largest city in the nation. By 2000, the figure was 951,000. The city was not even on the top ten list in 2007.

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1 posted on 09/01/2010 9:31:44 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Forever is a very long time.


2 posted on 09/01/2010 9:34:45 AM PDT by No_More_Harkin
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To: SeekAndFind

The article provides a slide show and explanations as to why these cities are dead forever.

But here is the list for those interested (if you want a detailed explanation, please click on the site ):

1. BUFFALO,NY
2. FLINT, MICHIGAN
3. DETROIT, MICHIGAN
4. CLEVELAND, OHIO
5. HARTFORD, CT
6. NEW ORLEANS, LA
7. ALBANY, NY
8. ATLANTIC CITY, NJ
9. ALLENTOWN, PA
10. GALVESTON, TX


3 posted on 09/01/2010 9:35:24 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
"Detroit, for example, had 1.9 million people in 1950 and was the fifth largest city in the nation. By 2000, the figure was 951,000. The city was not even on the top ten list in 2007."..... Don't worry!....All these dead cities like Detroit will return...maybe not as we would like.....
4 posted on 09/01/2010 9:37:15 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: SeekAndFind

Albany won’t die until the state government moves out.


5 posted on 09/01/2010 9:37:22 AM PDT by Genoa (Titus 2:13)
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To: SeekAndFind

Now...how many of these have now, and have had for quite a while, Liberal/Democrat leadership and governing bodies?


6 posted on 09/01/2010 9:37:33 AM PDT by CitizenM ("Do you miss me yet?" Yes, George, we do.)
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To: SeekAndFind

We didn’t need industry. Free Traitors explained that to us.

This is no bog deal. I say board up another 100 cities, no make it a thousand.

We can’t compete. We can’t make good products. We don’t need a tax base.

Service sector jobs is where it’s at. $12 dollars an hour is the new $20 per hour. Excellent...


7 posted on 09/01/2010 9:38:04 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (UniTea! It's not Rs vs Ds you dimwits. It's Cs vs Ls. Cut the crap & lets build for success.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Dude. Upgrade your account.


8 posted on 09/01/2010 9:38:17 AM PDT by Genoa (Titus 2:13)
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To: SeekAndFind

Who the hell built up the Japanese after WW11


9 posted on 09/01/2010 9:38:22 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: SeekAndFind

They were either destroyed by being a Democrat utopia or union town IMO.


10 posted on 09/01/2010 9:38:23 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Take a look at Detroit, looks like a 3rd world city:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JbGxIR8JTk


11 posted on 09/01/2010 9:38:56 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: SeekAndFind

Three cities in New York.

What does Chuckie Schumer have to say about that?


12 posted on 09/01/2010 9:40:47 AM PDT by COUNTrecount (Barry...above his poi grade.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks. The only city I wouldn’t have guess is Buffalo, NY.

Besides the cities in Michigan & Ohio, the one that kept hitting my mind like a neon sign is Allentown. Or any of the big steel cities, really. And there are a lot of those, with other names.

We’ll have to be adding auto support industry cities to that list any time now.....


13 posted on 09/01/2010 9:41:29 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: DoughtyOne

“We can’t compete. We can’t make good products.”

Apparently, you subscribe to those beliefs. Sad, really.


14 posted on 09/01/2010 9:42:18 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: SeekAndFind

In 5 to 10 years at most you will be able to add Dallas to the list.

The surrounding cities are all Republican controlled and doing fine. The City of Dallas is now controlled by Democrats who are taxing and spending all of the businesses out to the surrounding cities.


15 posted on 09/01/2010 9:42:37 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: SeekAndFind

Public schools have largely stopped producing students capable of producing PRODUCTS!

Very little math, science, shop, business, physics, chemistry, etc.

Too much sociology, psychology, victimology, pseudo-environmentalism (pretending to fix things that aren’t broke).


16 posted on 09/01/2010 9:42:46 AM PDT by G Larry (Democrats: expediting the Destruction of America, before they lose power...)
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To: DoughtyOne
I think the greatest threat to our manufacturing sector is people who think the government can protect it. Interesting that a lot off the cities on the list are ports.

You might know what a port is--it's a place where goods move from one place to another--as in trade.

17 posted on 09/01/2010 9:43:24 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Bubba_Leroy

Dallas is rapidly turning into a toilet. The Texas GOP is infested with open-border RINO’s like Florida’s GOP.


18 posted on 09/01/2010 9:45:31 AM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: SeekAndFind
Very interesting. I posted this on another thread where this topic was discussed . . .

It's no mere coincidence that so many of these cities are in the old "Rust Belt" region and located along the Great Lakes or other waterways that served as trade routes in the past. Many of these cities grew as industrial hubs because of their locations on these routes and/or their proximity to key resources used in steel-based manufacturing (iron ore and coal in particular).

Albany, NY is a perfect case in point. That city grew because it was situated near the confluence of the Hudson and Mohawk Rivers, and served as a canal-based "crossroads" of the Erie and Champlain Canals. That city lost this advantage once railroads supplanted the canals and rivers as the primary mode of freight transportation in the region (a long-running process that continues to this day).

Other cities on that list lost their "advantage of place" when plastics began to supplant steel in many manufactured products. Look at all the auto plants that have been built in the Southeast over the last two decades. They can thrive there not only because of lower labor costs, but because the auto manufacturing industry doesn't require close proximity to steel producers anymore.

19 posted on 09/01/2010 9:46:01 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark.")
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To: Para-Ord.45

In some parts of the city of Detroit, you can actually buy a house for less than the price of a Toyota Camry.

Mayor Dave Bing (former NBA star) has a plan to raze certain parts of the city and convert them to just greenery.


20 posted on 09/01/2010 9:46:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: DoughtyOne

“Service sector jobs is where it’s at. $12 dollars an hour is the new $20 per hour. Excellent...”

You didn’t get it exactly right, but you’re close. The free traders say that shipping those jobs offshore frees us to do more important, and better jobs.

While I think Obama is a large factor in our economy withering, there is more to it. We have a smaller manufacturing base, and that is what pulls you out of recession. I think we’re witnessing the contraction of the American economy. Contrary to what the free traders told us, you can’t exist as a service economy only, and not everyone is capable of being an entrepeneur. The world’s largest consumer economy is contracting, and there is little chance it will ever regain it’s once robust characteristics.


21 posted on 09/01/2010 9:46:42 AM PDT by brownsfan (Revolution.)
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To: SeekAndFind
. Foreign business activity and US government policy were two of the three major blows that caused the downfall of these cities. The third was the labor movement and its demands for higher compensation which ballooned the costs of manufacturing in many of these cities as well.

Actually, free trade with countries with dissimilar standards of living did this.
22 posted on 09/01/2010 9:46:56 AM PDT by Yet_Again
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To: SeekAndFind

Could not agree more.
As far as the People’s Republic of New York, I have been saying this for many years. There is no reason, no economic advantage nor driving inspiration for anyone to live more than 1/2 HR outside New York City. (except easier to obtain CC permits)

Today also, there is little reason to live IN NYC. Everything can be done less expensively, more cleanly and with more future viability OUTSIDE of NYC. Wall Street is doomed.
Once the United Nations is pushed off the the edge of Manhattan island, turn off the lights, the partys over.


23 posted on 09/01/2010 9:47:17 AM PDT by Macoozie (Go Sarah! Palin/Bolton 2012)
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To: SeekAndFind

East St. Louis and Gary Indiana?


24 posted on 09/01/2010 9:47:51 AM PDT by Mercat (ground zero mosque/shariah HQ/halal restaurant and petting zoo)
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To: SeekAndFind

Not sure how Albany belongs on the list since it is a state capitol and inevitably grows with the state government.

I also expected St. Louis to be on the list. The metro area is growing, but the city proper is a shell of it’s former self.


25 posted on 09/01/2010 9:48:36 AM PDT by Flying Circus
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Look, I don’t have to put an “/s” after the obvious do I?

Reread it and take it in the proper context.

These are not my views. They are the views that were spoon fed us to justify destroying our infrastructure.


26 posted on 09/01/2010 9:48:49 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (UniTea! It's not Rs vs Ds you dimwits. It's Cs vs Ls. Cut the crap & lets build for success.)
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To: G Larry

“Too much sociology, psychology, victimology, pseudo-environmentalism (pretending to fix things that aren’t broke).”

And artsy degrees, film schools, and other pointless courses that don’t really build a nation and teach practical skills. I sometimes think that courses like these should be relegated to academies that deal specifically with these subjects and not part of the general curriculum of colleges and universities. And student loans shouldn’t loan money to people taking these courses.


27 posted on 09/01/2010 9:48:56 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: brownsfan
The free traders say that shipping those jobs offshore frees us to do more important, and better jobs.

Man oh man, this thread is turning into virtual parade of strawmen.

28 posted on 09/01/2010 9:48:57 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: SeekAndFind

Lessons learnt: low quality can sink whole cities, you can have a huge port and still not have a great city around because of politics, and gambling can only bail you out for so long.


29 posted on 09/01/2010 9:49:05 AM PDT by Moose Burger
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To: 1riot1ranger; Action-America; Aggie Mama; Alkhin; Allegra; American72; antivenom; Antoninus II; ...

Galveston 10 of 10


30 posted on 09/01/2010 9:49:08 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I want IMPROVEMENT, not just CHANGE.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Yawn...

Okay, the Free Traitor brigade has been heard from.


31 posted on 09/01/2010 9:49:57 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (UniTea! It's not Rs vs Ds you dimwits. It's Cs vs Ls. Cut the crap & lets build for success.)
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To: Alberta's Child
Many of these cities grew as industrial hubs because of their locations on these routes and/or their proximity to key resources used in steel-based manufacturing (iron ore and coal in particular).

With New York City's living expenses ( e.g. commercial and residential rents ) and taxes going through the roof and the increasing use of high speed internet connections, is there any reason why New York would still be the financial capital of the USA in the future ?

I am already beginning to see lots of financial firms move their operations to other states.
32 posted on 09/01/2010 9:49:59 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Cheetahcat

Actually, an American named W. Edwards Deming built the Japanese up after WWII. Deming had a manufacturing philosophy of statistical monitoring and incremental improvements that the big American companies shunned, but the Japanese embraced wholeheartedly. Looks like he was right.


33 posted on 09/01/2010 9:50:10 AM PDT by Larry - Moe and Curly (Loose lips sink ships.)
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To: SeekAndFind

There are two that I think miss the boat. Allentown is really not a stand alone city any longer. Instead it is regarded as part of the larger “Lehigh Valley” region. Due to the high taxes in NJ and NY, the Lehigh Valley has boomed in recent years.

I saw Albany during the early to mid 70’s and it was a true disaster. It is nothing like that today and is really reverting to what it should have always been, a capital city for a state. Still, the irony of being on this list is too priceless. If there is a reason for a decline in the region Schnectady, Troy, Syracuse, Buffalo, etc. one need look no further than what goes on in the State Capital.


34 posted on 09/01/2010 9:50:13 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: SeekAndFind
Mayor Dave Bing (former NBA star) has a plan to raze certain parts of the city and convert them to just greenery.

If he's converting them to anything, it shoudl be garden allotments.

35 posted on 09/01/2010 9:50:17 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: SeekAndFind

Psalm 9:17
The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.


36 posted on 09/01/2010 9:50:17 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: Para-Ord.45

37 posted on 09/01/2010 9:51:03 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (drain the swamp! ( then napalm it and pave it over ))
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To: brownsfan
You raise a lot of very good points, but I'm not so sure that our "manufacturing base" is really smaller today than it was 50 years ago. I think manufacturing has changed dramatically in that time, and that has resulted in a lot of displacement of industries even within our own borders (see my previous example of the auto manufacturing industry).
38 posted on 09/01/2010 9:51:05 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark.")
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To: Bubba_Leroy

Just an unintended result of the desegregation of DISD schools in the ‘70’s. Parents fled Dallas rather than have their children attend inner-city schools, only after being bussed halfway across the city. The DemocRATS are reaping what they have been sowing for the last 40 years.


39 posted on 09/01/2010 9:51:13 AM PDT by bigredkitty1 (March 5,2010. Rest in peace, sweet boy. I will miss you, Big Red.)
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To: Bubba_Leroy

What was good about Dallas has moved to Fort Worth. It’s a minor relocation of 20 miles, compared to shipping business overseas.


40 posted on 09/01/2010 9:51:24 AM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Sirat: Through the Fires of Hell" - on amazon.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

I suspect the “lost population” of most of those cities didn’t move very far. They might not live within the city limits any more, but they’re still in the suburban metropolitan area, in most instances.

None of the cities listed in the example are what I would call thriving, but I wouldn’t call them dead, either. New Orleans may never be the city it was in the 19th and early 20th century, but Katrina cleaned out a lot of the dead wood and things are actually moving in a somewhat positive direction now—admittedly with a long, long way to go. Galveston took a hard knock, but it’s not going anywhere. He has a better argument with Detroit and Cleveland.


41 posted on 09/01/2010 9:51:33 AM PDT by balch3
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To: CitizenM

“Now...how many of these have now, and have had for quite a while, Liberal/Democrat leadership and governing bodies?”

So what about the cities that aren’t dying or dead and have Liberal/Democrat leadership? Do those liberals get credit for that as well?

I wish it were true that we could blame this all on Democrats but there are other forces that caused this.


42 posted on 09/01/2010 9:51:40 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: DoughtyOne
Yup. Someone's got to keep an eye on protectionists saying stupid things, and then claiming they were being sarcastic.

It's so stupid it's funny.

43 posted on 09/01/2010 9:52:40 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

“Man oh man, this thread is turning into virtual parade of strawmen.”

Sorry if recalling the things said in the past causes you to cry “strawman”.

The free traders got their way.

It’s all worked out quite well for America, don’t you think?


44 posted on 09/01/2010 9:53:02 AM PDT by brownsfan (Revolution.)
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To: Macoozie

RE: there is little reason to live IN NYC. Everything can be done less expensively, more cleanly and with more future viability OUTSIDE of NYC. Wall Street is doomed.


With New York City’s living expenses ( e.g. commercial and residential rents ) and taxes going through the roof and the increasing use of high speed internet connections, is there any reason why New York would still be the financial capital of the USA in the future ?

Electronic trading can be done anywhere now, so what financial advantage would a company have to be PHYSICALLY located in New York City and pay its high taxes and rents ?

I am already seeing many firms slowly moving their operations to other states (and maybe even overseas ).


45 posted on 09/01/2010 9:53:02 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Can we add our own? I will nominate Duluth, MN. It has much going for it in the way of location (rail from the prairies/western coal fields meets international port on the Great Lakes), setting and natural beauty. Destroyed first by literal Communists, many of whom still live there, followed not surprisingly by gangbangers/welfare parasites. Has lost jobs and population consistently for the past 40 years. Hub of Rep. Jim Oberstar’s district, the poster boy for term limits.


46 posted on 09/01/2010 9:53:08 AM PDT by Ackackadack
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To: SeekAndFind

All democrat cities...

perhaps TX is slightly republican

but all dead.


47 posted on 09/01/2010 9:53:49 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: DoughtyOne

Quote; “We can’t compete. We can’t make good products. We don’t need a tax base.”

And could you swim with an anchor tied to your foot? Who can make anything with the union anchor tied around our necks. Let’s just hope the service sector unions destroy the service sector too.


48 posted on 09/01/2010 9:53:53 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: SeekAndFind

With all due respect to northern Freepers,
My comment is:

1. BUFFALO,NY —Yankees
2. FLINT, MICHIGAN —Yankees
3. DETROIT, MICHIGAN —Yankees
4. CLEVELAND, OHIO —Yankees
5. HARTFORD, CT —Yankees
6. NEW ORLEANS, LA —Whodats
7. ALBANY, NY —Yankees
8. ATLANTIC CITY, NJ —Yankees
9. ALLENTOWN, PA —Yankees

So, who cares?


49 posted on 09/01/2010 9:53:57 AM PDT by Nabber
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To: SeekAndFind
All good points, but there's something to keep in mind here.

New York City has thrived as an "entertainment capital" of sorts for the last two decades, and this actually provides incentives for major corporations to maintain offices there even if they move their headquarters and operations elsewhere. Someone in a major U.S. corporation told me that this remains the case simply because so many of their top executives (including ones from foreign offices) attach a certain status to hosting meetings and events in New York City.

Heck, I think even NASCAR has an office in Midtown Manhattan.

50 posted on 09/01/2010 9:55:22 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark.")
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