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New military rifle lighter, more powerful
NBC13 ^ | 09-29-2010 | Staff

Posted on 09/04/2010 8:10:09 AM PDT by em2vn

It was designed with input by U.S. Special Operations Command warriors for special ops missions to be lighter, more maneuverable and longer lasting.

Earlier this month, the MK-17 – dubbed the SCAR by its Belgian manufacturer FNH – went into "full rate production" making it the first new assault carbine to be purchased by the U.S. military since the M-16 and M-4 rifles went online four decades ago. The rifle is expected to be particularly valuable in situations like those faced by soldiers fighting in Afghanistan, where the weapon's additional range will provide a significant upgrade.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 556762mk17; assaultrifle; banglist; kalashnikov; sturmgewehr
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What is the 7.62 X ? I missed the length of the cartridge. My apologizies if this is a repeat.
1 posted on 09/04/2010 8:10:11 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: em2vn

7.62mm X 51mm (NATO).


2 posted on 09/04/2010 8:11:39 AM PDT by Perdogg (Nancy Pelosi did more damage to America on 03/21 than Al Qaeda did on 09/11)
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To: Perdogg

also goes by the civilian caliber .308.


3 posted on 09/04/2010 8:14:36 AM PDT by rrebo
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To: em2vn
i want one...

4 posted on 09/04/2010 8:17:43 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: em2vn

7.62 X 51. Also called a .308

Everything old is new again. General Patton called the M1 Garand the best rifle ever developed. It used a .30-06 round. .30 caliber rounds seem to work well in all applications: AK, M1 Garand, M14, and now the SCAR M-17.


5 posted on 09/04/2010 8:18:19 AM PDT by stumpjumper
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To: em2vn
The info was in the article:

It can also fire the standard 5.56mm bullets now used in the M-4 – the mainstay of special operators – or the larger, 7.62mm bullet, which is more effective at longer distances.

Lets hope that it doesn't require the maintenance that the M-4/M-16 required to stay functional. Not very practical in field conditions.

6 posted on 09/04/2010 8:18:52 AM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: em2vn; All

http://defensetech.org/2007/07/12/meet-the-scar/


7 posted on 09/04/2010 8:19:14 AM PDT by A. Morgan
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To: em2vn
"New military rifle lighter, more powerful"

Confusing headline. Sounds like a description of a rifle shaped cigarette lighter. Perhaps a comma after "rifle" or even a period.

8 posted on 09/04/2010 8:20:05 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: em2vn

Thank goodness someone finally broke the 5.56mm mafia monopoly.

Let’s hope this opens the way for more military units to adopt the SCAR-H as well.


9 posted on 09/04/2010 8:21:05 AM PDT by LSUfan
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To: em2vn

For an idea of how much more powerful a 7.62mm NATO round is over a 5.56mm round, just watch this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOm3dfYYNeI


10 posted on 09/04/2010 8:23:33 AM PDT by LSUfan
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To: 101voodoo
I had the same thought.


11 posted on 09/04/2010 8:26:25 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: em2vn

12 posted on 09/04/2010 8:28:28 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: em2vn; Chode

Interesting looking weapon but really must the wheel be re-invented? Wouldn’t a cut back M14 but with a new lighter stock served as well.

Not to mention years earlier in the field.


13 posted on 09/04/2010 8:29:10 AM PDT by tlb
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To: Perdogg

I was hoping for the 30.06 which is a 7.62X63. I was surprised that the barrels are only good for fifteen thousnd rounds-not that I will every put that many rounds downrange but with the advancements in production it seems fifteen thousand is a low number.
I hope the weapons works out as planned.


14 posted on 09/04/2010 8:31:36 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: em2vn
Here are some more specifications.

It appears that this weapon will also fire 7.62 x 39mm ammunition from the AK-47.

15 posted on 09/04/2010 8:31:49 AM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: Chode

I’ll stick with my kids Dragonov


16 posted on 09/04/2010 8:33:13 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) ")
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To: tlb

But the M14 wasn’t an ugly black rifle.


17 posted on 09/04/2010 8:35:15 AM PDT by barb-tex (Nov. 2!(Election Day) Dia de los Muertas. ( Day of the Dead), Them or Us. Nov 5, Guy Falkes Day)
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To: Perdogg

I re-read the article but I missed the reference to the NATO round. Is it in the article?


18 posted on 09/04/2010 8:35:17 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: em2vn
Might's well see what we're discussing"


19 posted on 09/04/2010 8:37:00 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: 101voodoo

>>Confusing headline. Sounds like a description of a rifle shaped cigarette lighter. Perhaps a comma after “rifle” or even a period.<<

Hey! Hush! It was meant to throw off the anti gun people.


20 posted on 09/04/2010 8:37:02 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: rrebo

Got to watch shooting a .308 commercial round in a rifle made for the NATO round. The commercial .308 has more pressure than the NATO round.


21 posted on 09/04/2010 8:37:18 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: em2vn

***dubbed the SCAR by its Belgian manufacturer FNH***

And the cvilian version will be dubbed the SCARY! by the US news media and Brady Bunch.

I WANT ONE!


22 posted on 09/04/2010 8:37:48 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( AKA Rodrigo de Bivar)
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To: tlb
If all you wanted was a very good 30 cal weapon that would be great. Looks like they bought this because of the interchangeability between grenade launcher and 223 cal as well.

The M14 was an outstanding battle weapon and is being used in the desert at this time by special ops type outfits.

When it comes to gov’t contracts they always seem to make a problem/solution more complicated and expensive than it needs to be...

23 posted on 09/04/2010 8:38:31 AM PDT by Max_850
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To: em2vn
I just hope, for our troop's sake, it has some basic features:

It's reliable
It's accurate
It has hitting power

And it was chosen for those reasons, not some pantywaist NATO political reasons

24 posted on 09/04/2010 8:40:30 AM PDT by llevrok (Hug a logger. You will never go back to trees.)
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To: stumpjumper

I just finished reading American Rifle and I am puzzled. Why is it that with the history of rifle development in the US we cannot today provide a new quality rifle / carbine for our troops and need to go to Belgium or Germany?


25 posted on 09/04/2010 8:41:11 AM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: Max_850
The M14 was an outstanding battle weapon and is being used in the desert at this time by special ops type outfits.

M-14 was my weapon in the Marine Corps. Qualified Expert with it ... great rifle.

26 posted on 09/04/2010 8:44:20 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: em2vn

First question, is there a civilian version and when will it be available? :)


27 posted on 09/04/2010 8:46:39 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Slow to anger but terrible in vengence...such is the character of the American people.)
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To: em2vn

When my son was at the MCRD, he wrote me that he missed his Mauser (chambered 7.62mm) and said the M4 felt like a tinker toy. The 5.56mm is proving less effective in the open country of Afghanistan than it did in the jungle in SE Asia. I carried an M14 and my dad had a BAR in the South Pacific; both full auto capable and superior to the M4-IMO.


28 posted on 09/04/2010 8:46:40 AM PDT by Spok (Free Range Republican)
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To: Joe Boucher

That Dragonov will be very effective in CQC. lol


29 posted on 09/04/2010 8:48:29 AM PDT by verity
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To: Joe Boucher

That Dragonov will be very effective in CQC. lol


30 posted on 09/04/2010 8:48:36 AM PDT by verity
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To: Joe Boucher

That Dragonov will be very effective in CQC. lol


31 posted on 09/04/2010 8:48:39 AM PDT by verity
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To: Vaquero; em2vn

Actually there are clips for the m-14, M-16 and variants. They are used to load the magazines, and top load the M-14.

This reminds me, I need to get some more M1 Garand clips and some clips for the m-14. I modify the m-14 clips to work in my 1903 springfield and they are a lot cheaper than real 1903 clips.


32 posted on 09/04/2010 8:49:08 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( AKA Rodrigo de Bivar)
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To: tlb
it's prolly much cheaper to make new SCARS than shorty M14's, but that's just a guess...
33 posted on 09/04/2010 8:54:38 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Perdogg
7.62mm X 51mm (NATO)

Unfortunately, that short barrel is going to seriously rob the cartridge of its power. You can only burn powder so fast, alot of the burn is going to happen as flash beyond the muzzle.

This is a machine pistol with a rifle cartridge.

34 posted on 09/04/2010 8:55:12 AM PDT by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
no, because it doesn't sh!t where it eats...
35 posted on 09/04/2010 8:56:49 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: verity

My kid just went to Fayetville N.C. to learn from some guys teaching sniper training at Fort. Bragg.
He can hit a quarter consistantly at 500 yards at this point with the Dragonov.
Course he took a year working it to get it this good.
You should see it and his Saiga semi auto 12 ga.
Did you know you can purchase ammo on the net from the former soviet block and have it shipped directly to your home viaU.P.S.?
We b ready.
And I’m not gonna let on just what I may have.


36 posted on 09/04/2010 8:57:52 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) ")
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To: LSUfan
Way cool vid, thanks!

If ever the need arises, the boy and I have the same opinion...."pass me that Saiga 308, please!"

It looks mean and it acts mean, especially with a 20 / 25 rnd magazine.

I may have to get another one.

37 posted on 09/04/2010 8:58:41 AM PDT by LasVegasMac
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To: em2vn

There was a time we manufactured all of our own weapons and supplied half the world to boot.

Now we buy battle rifles from Europe and our so-called President is blocking the re-importation of 850,000 Korea War era Garands and Carbines.


38 posted on 09/04/2010 9:06:22 AM PDT by Iron Munro (I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take any more beatings.)
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To: SampleMan

One nice feature of the SCAR is the ability to quickly change barrels. The SCAR heavy has 13”, 16”, and 20” lengths available, depending on mission requirements.


39 posted on 09/04/2010 9:08:48 AM PDT by ReeseBN38416
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To: tlb
Wouldn’t a cut back M14 but with a new lighter stock served as well.

The M-14 is already in the field. Several in each platoon. If we have enough remaining in inventory, i could see the US issuing it to all troops in Afghanistan. It isn't really required in the conditions that were present in Iraq.

They've made it pretty damned sexy compared to the way it looked in the early 60's.

SOCOM used a version called the M-25

40 posted on 09/04/2010 9:08:51 AM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: Sudetenland
Answer my own question: Civilian SCARFirm list price of $2700. Wish I had the money.
41 posted on 09/04/2010 9:13:11 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Slow to anger but terrible in vengence...such is the character of the American people.)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
42 posted on 09/04/2010 9:17:16 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

yup....I know those clips....stripper clips...they go back to the original mausers.

IMHO, the M-14 and guns like AR-10s and FN FAL are what are needed in the sandbox....

not the 5.56 varmint gun...


43 posted on 09/04/2010 9:23:51 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: em2vn
Initially, the rifles will be made in Belgium, says Bailey, until a domestic manufacturing plant can be brought on line to produce them. Components will be made at FNH's plant in Columbia, S.C., he says.

Well that's a relief!
I would hate to see us without such a plant if, like in WWII, Belgium was over run by a foreign nation.

44 posted on 09/04/2010 9:29:13 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Joe Boucher
for long range sure... i like this for up close and personal
45 posted on 09/04/2010 9:31:00 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: SampleMan
Unfortunately, that short barrel is going to seriously rob the cartridge of its power. You can only burn powder so fast, alot of the burn is going to happen as flash beyond the muzzle.

You can make ammo with faster-burning powder, intermediate between rifle and pistol powder.

46 posted on 09/04/2010 9:35:41 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: BluH2o

I qualified with the M-14 in 1969. Great rifle!

Fired the M-16 a year later. Yuk!

Went to Vietnam the year after that and flew UH-1H’s. Carried my trusty S&W .38 Model 15.

Fast forward forty years... I still qualify with the M16A2 (not a bad rifle), later this year with the M4 (warrant officers have a very long shelf life).

Just bought my second M-14 lookalike. Looking forward to a secure retirement.

;^)


47 posted on 09/04/2010 9:37:58 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("O Muslim! My bullets are dipped in pig grease!")
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To: em2vn

A .308 by FNH - didn’t we turn one of those down last time? The rest of the free world certainly didn’t. :)

I’ve got an M1A, a PRT-91 (HK G3), and an FAL - I’ll take the Belgians any day! (and a .308 over the .223 any day as well).


48 posted on 09/04/2010 9:41:07 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: em2vn
I hope the weapons works out as planned

If they don't work out South Korea has a big bunch of M-1's that are for sale.

There doesn't seem to be a civilian market for them in the US.(/s)

49 posted on 09/04/2010 9:46:10 AM PDT by TYVets
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To: stumpjumper

Do you know why the round is rated at 30.06? I know it is a 30 calibre round but what does the .06 mean?

Thanks.


50 posted on 09/04/2010 9:47:28 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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