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DEMOCRATS PLAN POLITICAL TRIAGE TO RETAIN HOUSE
insidebayarea.com ^ | September 4, 2010 | Jeff Zeleny and Carl Hulse

Posted on 09/04/2010 8:26:52 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar

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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Tat was my first thought.They waked the plank for Nancy and now when they need them the most the money will dry up?Not a great way to gain yes votes.


51 posted on 09/04/2010 9:50:07 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: DemforBush
Translation: So long, ‘Blue Dogs’, and thanks for being a useful idiot!

Blue Dog Stephi Herseth-Sandlin (D-SD) running for her 4th term is in trouble.

Twice as much money on hand; twice as much spent as (R) Kristi Noem, but Noem has come from 3 points behind in Feb, to currently 9 points ahead, and gaining.

That is despite voting against the Health Care bill, and fighting to save Ellsworth AFB from BRAC, among other things.

I guess people see that she (along with a few other Dems) was ALLOWED to vote against, to try to save her butt at home, since the House Madam, Pelosi, had more than enough whores voting “Yea” to pass it without them.

Hasn't helped Stephie a bit. Neither did campaigning for Edwards, then endorsing Obama for the SD primary.

52 posted on 09/04/2010 10:40:35 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: A Satanically Transmitted Disease spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus)
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To: Halgr
...so incredibly sad....America is doomed.

Do yourself a favor. End it now. Save yourself the pain and suffering that's sure to come.

Goodbye, Halgr. It was nice(?) knowin' ya.

53 posted on 09/04/2010 10:54:43 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Danae
Yep. My first thought.

A national campaign trumpeting Democratic accomplishments on health care, education and Wall Street regulation has given way to a race-by-race defensive strategy. Democratic incumbents are moving to aggressively define their Republican opponents and individualize races in an effort to inoculate themselves from the national mood.

"Better put some ice on that." Bill Clinton

54 posted on 09/04/2010 10:55:18 PM PDT by GVnana (I'm a Mama Grizzly)
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To: FunkyZero

How will the majority get blamed for legislation that Zero vetoes? You mean in the minds of those who don’t really keep themselves informed? The left-wing media might try it, but I think enough people understand the presidential veto that they won’t get very far with that one.


55 posted on 09/04/2010 10:56:20 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: FunkyZero

I don’t think we should wait until 2012 to give it our best shot. No way.

Looking too far ahead and being too analystical are weakening forces. They are dispiriting, and can also lead to unintended consequences.

Even without a two-thirds majority, we can reverse anything that requires funding and stop the out-of-control freight train. We will have the chairmanships and can start impeachment and bring it to the floor.

This idea sounds similar to the Let Obama Win So We Can Have Another Reagan in 2012 strategy. There is always a little faction of the Dems who try this kind of thing to knock us off course. When Republicans fall for it, it usually has the demon of surrender, rather than good chess playing, as its motivation.


56 posted on 09/04/2010 11:10:52 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Jet Jaguar

Both sides can use the same strategy: The closer the polls, the more money that should be allocated to winning the election in that district. Unwise to allocate much to the races where one side or the other has a big lead in the polls. Maximise the marginal utility of each dollar spent.


57 posted on 09/04/2010 11:16:26 PM PDT by sourcery (United We Stand, Divided We Fall: You have to give in order to get)
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To: firebrand
"You mean in the minds of those who don’t really keep themselves informed?"

Exactly. Look how many were sucked in with the frenzy of idiocy during the obama campaign.

There seemed to be 4 types of obama supporters:

1) Lifelong democrats who can for the most part, never have their minds changed.

2) Blacks. Not that I WANT to say it, but they voted in huge numbers and almost 1:1 for obama

3) People who watched leftist news outlets and ONLY leftist news outlets. They were completely oblivious to who this guy really was. I lump the Bush haters in here as well because they voted for obama due to inadequate intake of non-biased information.

4) Conservatives who refused to vote for McCain and what the republican party has become. Not the largest of the 4 groups, but the one that cost republicans the win.

Since most voters fell for the obama dominated media drive, I suggest that the same would be true if we ran a conservative majority in congress for 2 years while obama is at the helm. Heck, republicans are a small minority NOW and look at the blaming going on... "republicans do nothing" , "republicans are blocking everything".. "the no party". Can you imagine the media habits under a republican congress while bozo veto's everything?

Again, I'm not a political genius by any means, nor have I been active in politics or even interested in it for more than a few years, but my guess is that's the way it would go down. Maybe I just don't have enough confidence in my fellow citizens. Hell, Dan Coats won the primary in my state again. It was enough to make me want to throw up. I just don't know how folks can go and vote without knowing exactly what they are supporting, and that seems to be the case in Indiana at least.

58 posted on 09/04/2010 11:32:33 PM PDT by FunkyZero ("It's not about duck hunting !")
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To: FunkyZero

I don’t think you have thought about this in the right way. Beware Dem-promulgated defeatism.

And when you quote me, please don’t quote me out of context. I followed that sentence up with what I thought of your idea if you meant the relatively uninformed. I said I thought it didn’t apply, because everyone knows about the presidential veto. So don’t say “exactly,” as if we both think the same thing.


59 posted on 09/04/2010 11:43:37 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Jet Jaguar

I’m not sure why they would publicly announce this with such fanfare...is this a trap? Otherwise, they’ve just told the NRCC exactly where the battle lines will be drawn ahead of time - what’s the purpose in doing that?


60 posted on 09/05/2010 12:00:46 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Jet Jaguar

So, let me get this straight, their strategy is basically—throw’em under the bus is they can’t get the votes??

Oh, this is gonna be good! Bring on the popcorn!!!


61 posted on 09/05/2010 12:04:41 AM PDT by pillut48 (Whenever O says, "Let me be clear," you know what is to follow is a bunch of nuanced BS!)
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To: Jet Jaguar

“Firewall”

I’m not sure, but I believe it might be a tad too late for that strategy this time.

At least, I hope so...


62 posted on 09/05/2010 12:42:14 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Remember November...I can see it from my house!)
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To: Jet Jaguar

The *ONLY* “triage” that might work would be for them to cancel their “recess” and initiate the following.

1. Impeach 0bama

2. Repeal 0bamacare

3. Retain Bush tax cuts and introduce new tax cuts

4. Resolution to permanently shelve “cap & trade”.

5. Resolution in support of AZ and aggressive border patrol.

But they won’t do any of that, so they’re done.


63 posted on 09/05/2010 2:37:37 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: grey_whiskers

>>This tells us which members to attack...

Exactly....and where to put GOP money


64 posted on 09/05/2010 2:51:58 AM PDT by The Raven
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To: kcvl

That’s the poll I was referring to. I would like to see something more current but they don’t conduct many polls in individual congressional races.

By the way, I met Miller Friday. He’s a very pleasant guy to talk to. I saw Miller signs all over the place and not one Shuler sign anywhere but I was in and around Hedersonville and that’s Miller’s hometown.


65 posted on 09/05/2010 3:58:50 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: The Raven; grey_whiskers

In case you haven’t seen these:

here’s where Larry Sabato has the House races as of last week, predicting a GOP pick-up of 47 seats.
http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/category/2010-house/

InterceptPoint has its new update on this FR thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2583141/posts

It will be interesting to see changes as it gets closer to Nov 2 and which races the parties start putting $s in.


66 posted on 09/05/2010 4:20:01 AM PDT by Seattle Conservative (God Bless and protect our troops)
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To: Seattle Conservative

The Dems have lots of money for ads....they just have to figure out what to say


67 posted on 09/05/2010 4:28:30 AM PDT by The Raven (One Dem in Congress is one too many. It will get worse !!!)
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To: grey_whiskers; randita
This tells us which members to attack...

Here is the official Freeper list at KeyHouseRaces:

The Master List - Ranking the Races

The middle of this list is where the Dems are going to stage the fight. These are races we need to win to take back the House.

68 posted on 09/05/2010 4:36:15 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: The Raven

A Firewall is different from Triage. They are putting a Firewall around their somewhat safer Northeast seats, especially, rather than going for the true tossups. I don’t think this will help them retain the House, with so many races in play. It may limit the damage, however, thus the name Firewall.


69 posted on 09/05/2010 4:43:24 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: Clintonfatigued

Thanks for the heads-up. See my post #68 above.


70 posted on 09/05/2010 4:44:25 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: InterceptPoint

that list is leaning Dem !!!


71 posted on 09/05/2010 4:45:11 AM PDT by The Raven (One Dem in Congress is one too many. It will get worse !!!)
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To: pillut48
Oh, this is gonna be good! Bring on the popcorn!!!

You belong on the KeyHouseRaces Ping List. We've been watching the House of Representatives 'Preview of Coming Attractions' since April and it just gets better every week.

72 posted on 09/05/2010 4:52:18 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: The Raven
that list is leaning Dem !!!

The total list is actually rated as "Toss-Up with a very slight and diminishing bias to the Dems". The reason you might see our list as leaning Dem is because there are 81 Dem Incumbent or Open seats on the list compared to only 12 for the Republicans. And most of those Republican seats are bunched near the top of our list in the Likely R or Safe R category. And simulations based on this list yield a Republican pickup of 38 seats. We need 39. Sabato predicts 47. Election Projection predicts 41. Things are looking good.

Stay tuned. This list is looking more Republican every week.

73 posted on 09/05/2010 4:58:27 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: firebrand

If they’re trying to save 218 seats, I’d say it’s a firewall.
If they’re trying to save 146 (prevent 2/3 majority), I’d say it’s triage.

I don’t see the R’s getting 67 Senate votes though.


74 posted on 09/05/2010 5:15:34 AM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: firebrand

well Ok, scuze the hell outta me. I’ll be sure to make a note about responding to your posts


75 posted on 09/05/2010 5:35:50 AM PDT by FunkyZero ("It's not about duck hunting !")
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To: saganite
if Shuler is defeated the Republicans will have buried the Democrats.

Or that he threw 5 interceptions against the Arizona Cardinals and was replaced with Gus Frerotte.
76 posted on 09/05/2010 6:45:00 AM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Worst. Post-Racial President. EVER.)
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To: Jet Jaguar
To hold the line against Republicans, the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, issued an urgent plea for members in safe districts to help their endangered colleagues by contributing money. She called out to Democrats who were delinquent on paying their party dues and instructed members with no re-election worries to tap into a combined $218 million from their campaign accounts to help save their majority.

"We need to know your commitment," Pelosi wrote to lawmakers last week in a private letter, demanding that they call her within 72 hours to explain how they plan to help.

As seen in passage of Obamacare, Pelosi has a great deal of power over the Rats on her plantation. She literally holds their political life in her hands -- not only as to their stint in the House, but, even more importantly, as to their POST-HOUSE life and livelihood.

Those who give in to her arm-twisting will be taken care of with cushy, lucrative appointments and jobs in the bureaucracy or party apparatus. Those who don't are likely told "you'll never work in this town or in Dem politics again."

This firewall plan should not be underestimated. One of the biggest things tht has kept the Rats in power anyway has been the tendency of voters to think, well, MY guy is okay even if the rest of the party stinks.

77 posted on 09/05/2010 6:49:26 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Step away from the toilet. Let the housing market flush.)
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To: wendy1946

Yes, but we must oppose them where they show themselves.


78 posted on 09/05/2010 6:50:38 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Step away from the toilet. Let the housing market flush.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

I think they’ll be plenty cooperative.

Pelosi is telling them “so, okay, you’re going to lose your seat, but if you do what I say until your term is up, you’ll find yourself in a very nice, secure and lucrative appointment or job that I and the party bigs will make sure is all yours.”

There will be even more incentive to give Pelosi everything she wants! Those who are losing their congressional seats (jobs) will be very keen to avoid Nancy’s “you’ll never work in this town again” list and to get in line for her post-House “soft landing” list.


79 posted on 09/05/2010 6:54:13 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Step away from the toilet. Let the housing market flush.)
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To: Coyote Choir

Exactly.

And you can bet Pelosi & Gang are telling members there is a fate worse than losing your congressional seat. It’s getting on Nancy’s “you’ll never work in this town or in Dem politics again” list.

These people don’t care whether they are Representatives or not. At this point, they will be happy with a nice cushy job in Washington — and even feel relieved that they don’t even have to run for reelection again.

Queen Nancy holds all the cards in this game.


80 posted on 09/05/2010 6:57:14 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Step away from the toilet. Let the housing market flush.)
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To: DB
They must think people are even stupider than they are...

You say that is if it's out the realm of possibility.

81 posted on 09/05/2010 6:59:17 AM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: WHBates

Would love to see Spratt go down. I’m sure he’d have a major fit in state TV that we could all enjoy for years.


82 posted on 09/05/2010 7:00:35 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Jet Jaguar
"DEMOCRATS PLAN POLITICAL TRIAGE TO RETAIN HOUSE"

Hah! These idiots don't even know a Code Blue when they see one.

83 posted on 09/05/2010 7:18:22 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: PeaceBeWithYou

I still remember that night. I was trapped in a place without fox, and forced to watch CNN. The trash can almost made up for it. Here’s hoping for a replay....


84 posted on 09/05/2010 7:21:38 AM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: InterceptPoint

Count me in! please add me to the ping list-i feel a severe case of schadenfreude coming on aound 11-2-10!! :-) thanks!


85 posted on 09/05/2010 8:06:20 AM PDT by pillut48 (Whenever O says, "Let me be clear," you know what is to follow is a bunch of nuanced BS!)
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To: scrabblehack

I don’t see the R’s getting 67 Senate votes though.

We need to get out the vote ~~~


87 posted on 09/05/2010 8:07:09 AM PDT by The Raven (One Dem in Congress is one too many. It will get worse !!!)
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To: InterceptPoint
>>The total list is actually rated as “Toss-Up with a very slight and diminishing bias to the Dems”.

You mean you count illegal aliens, felons, and systematic voter fraud?

88 posted on 09/05/2010 9:44:22 AM PDT by The Raven (One Dem in Congress is one too many. It will get worse !!!)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Woo Hoo! Once again, Betsy Marxy tops the list of those most likely to be tossed out in a few weeks. Here in good ol’ CO-4, occupying the eastern most 45% of Colorado, me and my kind have been on Betsy’s case for months, and we’re intensifying our efforts. Even sweeter, it now looks like she’ll be the first to be tossed under the bus by her own kind!

Can’t really blame ‘em though; she’s a complete moron. Yeah, yeah, the Obammunists want ‘em to be stupid enough to buy their BS and vote for their Trojan Marxist agenda, but Betsy’s so stupid she’d drown like a domestic turkey would if she got caught outside in a heavy rain. Even for a Rat, that’s overly stupid, since she’s too stupid to manage re-election.

The really cool thing is that her soon-to-be replacement, Cory Gardner, is exactly the kind of young, good-looking, educated, smart, accomplished, principled, and personable kind of conservative that we need to populate the U.S. Congress with. Not just someone to vote for in order to vote against the other candidate, but someone whom you actually want to vote for because they’ll make an excellent Congressional representative!


89 posted on 09/05/2010 10:44:38 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from the Right Stuff!)
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To: Enchante
"“Blue Dogs” are worse than useful idiots -— they are lying frauds who deceive gullible voters into (in effect) supporting the Pelosicrat/Obama agenda."

Yes, indeed! Just like Betsy "Blue Dog" Marxey, the poor little stuck-on-stupid girl who got bought a congressional seat for two years.

As far as Betsy's latter-day conversion to Blue Dogism goes, well, Betsy’s no Blue Dog, she’s just a plain ol’ Dog!


90 posted on 09/05/2010 10:57:01 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from the Right Stuff!)
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To: FunkyZero; ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; SunkenCiv; Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj; chicagolady; ...
I think at this point, there is little that can stop this overloaded freight train.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again. The GOP must be on the alert for cheating and fraud in the election process, which can manifest in a number of different ways. The national GOP must have a vastly improved anti-fraud program in place, made available to the party organizations at the state and local levels and to each GOP candidate's campaign. Remember that the closer an election, the more easily it can be stolen, especially in states where Democrat officials are supervising the elections.

Are you listening, Michael Steele?

91 posted on 09/05/2010 12:36:52 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

Cheating, fraud and/or postponing/canceling the election would be a cause for CV II.

The House communists aren’t coming out of the 0trauma center unless we let them.


92 posted on 09/05/2010 12:44:42 PM PDT by melancholy (It ain't Camelot, it's Scam-a-lot!)
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To: DB
They must think people are even stupider than they are...

They do and they're right...about those who vote for them.

93 posted on 09/05/2010 12:44:52 PM PDT by lonestar (Barry is furious the big spill wasn't caused by EXXON...would have nationalized it by now.)
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To: onyx; penelopesire; maggief; Liz; hoosiermama; rodguy911; GOP_Lady

“She called out to Democrats who were delinquent on paying their party dues and instructed members with no re-election worries to tap into a combined $218 million from their campaign accounts to help save their majority.

“We need to know your commitment,” Pelosi wrote to lawmakers last week in a private letter, demanding that they call her within 72 hours to explain how they plan to help. “

There ya go .. the ole dem money pot awaits. Pelosi or Van Hollen or both are probably co-signers on every single account.


94 posted on 09/05/2010 12:47:22 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: melancholy
Cheating, fraud, and/or postponing/cancelling the election would be a cause for CV II.

CV II = ?

95 posted on 09/05/2010 2:47:38 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

I put one “V” instead of a double “V” that translates to a “W.”


96 posted on 09/05/2010 3:13:14 PM PDT by melancholy (It ain't Camelot, it's Scam-a-lot!)
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To: Jet Jaguar
It is an open question whether voters will find the back-and-forth exchanges persuasive or whether some have reached the point where they are no longer listening to Democratic messages.
THE LATTER!!!
97 posted on 09/05/2010 8:25:41 PM PDT by no dems (DeMINT / PALIN 2012 or PALIN / DeMINT 2012.......Either is fine with me!)
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To: dr_who
I wonder how different these tactics are from ‘94 ______________________________________________________________ From what I've read & heard, the difference is that in '94 the Dems had no warning it was coming; this year they do.
98 posted on 09/05/2010 8:28:55 PM PDT by no dems (DeMINT / PALIN 2012 or PALIN / DeMINT 2012.......Either is fine with me!)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Ref. you Post #17: Very good point!!! Thanks.


99 posted on 09/05/2010 8:30:14 PM PDT by no dems (DeMINT / PALIN 2012 or PALIN / DeMINT 2012.......Either is fine with me!)
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To: okie01

Chet.....is going to get squashed like a bug in TX-17.
______________________________________________________________
I hope you’re right but this is one that might “surprise” the GOP. I’ll believe it when I see it and if it happens, you will hear me shout all the way from SE Texas.


100 posted on 09/05/2010 8:40:28 PM PDT by no dems (DeMINT / PALIN 2012 or PALIN / DeMINT 2012.......Either is fine with me!)
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