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In Support of Westboro Baptist [Dr. Terry Jones "burn a Koran" supports Fred Phelps]
Dove World Outreach Center ^ | April 21, 2010

Posted on 09/07/2010 7:28:57 PM PDT by earlJam

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In Support of Westboro Baptist

By Fran Ingram - Posted on 21 April 2010

On Sunday April 18, Westboro Baptist Church came to Gainesville. One of their stops was a liberal "Open doors, open hearts, open minds," church near us, so we took part of our Sunday Service time and went as a church to stand with them.

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I have been asked most often in the last days about the 'protests' that Westboro does at funerals.

The arguemant (from very angry people with extremely ugly language) is that their attendance at funerals is offensive and a fallen soldier is NOT a sign of God's wrath.

My answer:

Westboro Baptist is not anti-military or anti-USA. Rather the opposite, actually. Do some research. They go to funerals because the Bible says that a fallen soldier is a sign of God's wrath and a reminder of the condition of this world, a fallen world, in sin. We all know that. None of us want to fight wars. We have to, and we honor the fallen for their sacrifice, but funerals are also a chance to repent and get our lives right with God before our own comes along.

The soldier who is already dead knows what's coming, whether they are in heaven or hell. I think they would be glad for the extra reminder to loved ones that they still have time to make a choice and use the rest of their time given here for God rather than wasting it, in a spiritual sense.


Google cache of the Dove World article in support of Westboro Baptist Protests Against U.S. Military

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In Support of Westboro Baptist


By Fran Ingram - Posted on 21 April 2010

On Sunday April 18, Westboro Baptist Church came to Gainesville. One of their stops was a liberal "Open doors, open hearts, open minds," church near us, so we took part of our Sunday Service time and went as a church to stand with them.

We have also learned that when you speak out about what God hates, you will be hated. We do not agree with all of Westboro's methods, but we admire their determination to find radical ways to preach the truth of the Bible, as we do. Most churches and Pastors in America try to stand on neutral ground. They are lost, weak and sick and need to repent.

Senior Pastor Sylvia Jones wrote on facebook:

Today was a historical day! People who did not know each other with nothing in common but the word of God marching in unity and putting the kingdom first, ahead of everything else! What can be more important than saving people from hell? We must stand on the truth, the word of God instead on finding reasons why we cannot be in unity! Yes we can! We can obey God and save people from going to hell!

 

You can find more pictures on our facebook page here...

I have been asked most often in the last days about the 'protests' that Westboro does at funerals.

The arguemant (from very angry people with extremely ugly language) is that their attendance at funerals is offensive and a fallen soldier is NOT a sign of God's wrath.

My answer:

Westboro Baptist is not anti-military or anti-USA. Rather the opposite, actually. Do some research. They go to funerals because the Bible says that a fallen soldier is a sign of God's wrath and a reminder of the condition of this world, a fallen world, in sin. We all know that. None of us want to fight wars. We have to, and we honor the fallen for their sacrifice, but funerals are also a chance to repent and get our lives right with God before our own comes along.

The soldier who is already dead knows what's coming, whether they are in heaven or hell. I think they would be glad for the extra reminder to loved ones that they still have time to make a choice and use the rest of their time given here for God rather than wasting it, in a spiritual sense.

At DWOC we are also very pro-America, pro-Military, AND super, radically concerned about people's salvation. That's why we go after Islam and say it is of the devil - it is anti-Christian and anti-America. In this liberal world, names and labels get thrown about and twisted at random. Don't we all get angry with the media for preaching half truths which amount to lies?
To my Christian friends, get your Bibles out and read the OT Prophets. They were hated too for speaking God's words of truth, then killed. I would rather be right with God than right with facebook friends. Where are you?

And another answer:

If we lived in a sinless, no devil world, there would be no war. We have chosen sin, there are therefore wars, and we all suffer, we all need to repent. I'm OK with your thinking I am sick, but think about the fact that the Bible is what I am talking about, not my own ideas. Don't you think that a fallen soldier reflects some of what is wrong with the world? Not the soldier but the war itself?

What is the point of not making people angry and uncomfortable in this life if that means they go on, clueless, rebellious, straight to hell. I would have to answer to God for that. I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ and to stand with other Christians that preach it truthfully. Did the prophets and leaders in the Bible, even Jesus, did they always peach a nice sweet message? Did they always respect the sensibilities and traditions of the people? Think about it. Read your Bibles, people!

I have a Grandfather that died in WWII.  I am proud of his contribution to that war. But he and my family are Christian and eternal salvation is the most important thing on our hearts. We do not think Westboro are hateful. They point out what God hates, desperate, like the Prophets of old that no one go to hell.

Jesus said, in Matthew 7:13,14

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

That narrow gate is a knowledge of the truth, a fear of God, Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the cross for your sins, repentance from our sins and wickedness, as we are warned throughout the Bible. This is the hope for you, the hope for your family, the hope for our Nation, for the world.

And yes, if my husband died I would be glad if Westboro would come and hold their signs and sing at his funeral. Many people would be shocked, but they might be shocked into a fear of God and a decision for Christ. How will they know if someone does not tell them?

 



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1 posted on 09/07/2010 7:28:59 PM PDT by earlJam
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Admin Moderator, I was not sure which forum to put this in. Apologies if it went in the wrong one.


2 posted on 09/07/2010 7:30:09 PM PDT by earlJam
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To: earlJam

I’m going to scream this from the rooftops, folks. THESE PEOPLE ARE TROLLS!!!!!!! Look at the timing, here. Look at the ‘church’.....the ‘media’......the ‘government response’.

I have never thought the WBC was ‘Christian’. Quite the opposite......with the goal to smear Christians. It happens online (fake websites).....it’s gotta happen IRL.

This is one of many:

http://truechristiansunite.yuku.com/forums/1/t/General-Discussion.html


3 posted on 09/07/2010 7:37:05 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (I don't have a 'Cousin Pookie'.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Conservatives are being taken for a ride. This guy is BAD news.

Everyone is getting behind him now. Next week he is holding up a GOD HATES FAGS sign and we look stupid.


4 posted on 09/07/2010 7:39:16 PM PDT by earlJam
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To: earlJam

I think all of these “people” should be ignored. If they want to burn korans, I’m not going to stop them but that doesn’t mean I agree with them or want them hung around my neck in any way shape or form.


5 posted on 09/07/2010 7:39:32 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: earlJam
Fred Phelps is one sick puppy.
One of the Phelps kids even tried to go public, once, with charges that Fred Phelps, himself, was VERY abusive to his kids.
Phelps is NOT a “man of God” -— Phelps has done the pro-family movement more harm than anyone else I can think of.

BTW, before Phelps really went off the deep end, I know for a fact that he was asked to defend Operation Rescue protesters.

He refused.

How on Earth can any “Man of God” think that bashing homosexuals by picketing funerals of fallen soldiers is more important than defending pro-life protesters?

“Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness Against Thy Neighbor”

Phelps carried a sign that said “Fag Dole” when Dole launched his Presidential bid!

6 posted on 09/07/2010 7:42:59 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: earlJam
I watched millions of Muslims take to the streets, burn the American Flag...burn Bush in effigy, video decapitation for us....They stone women, cut off limbs...

The teachings in that book is their justification...Religion??? BS...It's a political movement....

8 posted on 09/07/2010 7:44:49 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: Kansas58
Here is a picture from the protests that the Burn a Koran preacher endorses:


9 posted on 09/07/2010 7:47:32 PM PDT by earlJam
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To: Outlaw Woman

I don’t know if all of the media attention is contrived.

I simply think that the left is looking for ANYTHING else to talk about.... ANY example of stupidity or extremism on our side.

And this “pastor” of 50 people showed up and gave them the show they were looking for.

What a tool.

(not you)


10 posted on 09/07/2010 7:49:35 PM PDT by earlJam
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To: earlJam

no comment.

I knew something didn’t smell right.


11 posted on 09/07/2010 7:49:43 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

The Westboro Baptists are also self-admitted Marxists and Phelps used to work closely with Al Gore.


13 posted on 09/07/2010 7:53:01 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: earlJam

Conservatives are being taken for a ride. This guy is BAD news.

Everyone is getting behind him now. Next week he is holding up a GOD HATES FAGS sign and we look stupid.
___________________________________________________________

THIS^^^^^^^^^^

The media are just eating this up, tho. Fits RIGHT in with their narrative.


14 posted on 09/07/2010 7:53:58 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (I don't have a 'Cousin Pookie'.)
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To: earlJam

maybe we should remind everyone if a American tourist in a arab country is caught with a Bible ,it is seized and burned!!
Why is this not being protested about in America?


15 posted on 09/07/2010 7:54:34 PM PDT by omegadawn (qualified)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
Conservatives are being taken for a ride

Oh please, it's a stupid little church, who cares? it should even be a fart in a windstorm, but Obama and Petraeus have made it a big deal, they're loving this. But we should never compromise our Constitutional freedoms for anyone, especially Muslims.

Just as nobody here who was appalled at what the government did at Waco was a fan of David Koresh.

16 posted on 09/07/2010 7:57:33 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: mnehring

Wow. There ya’ go. Do you have a link, mnehring? I want to spread this as far as I can. This ticks me off beyond belief!


17 posted on 09/07/2010 7:58:28 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (I don't have a 'Cousin Pookie'.)
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To: Kansas58

Phelps is a big DEM!!!

That is the big secret that the media won’t report. Always was a DEM, always will be a DEM. He hates America, he’s an arrogant SOB and if he didn’t have a problem with homosexuals, he would still be in the DEM inner circles.

He won’t defend anti abortion protesters, he’s on the other side, always has been.

He is a left winger, used to be buddies with Gore.


18 posted on 09/07/2010 8:01:19 PM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: dfwgator

This ‘little church’ is being used (I think they want it intentionally) just as Phelps’.

They’re using our constitutional freedoms against us.


20 posted on 09/07/2010 8:02:26 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (I don't have a 'Cousin Pookie'.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Pictures here:

http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&q=fred%20phelps%20al%20gore&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1024&bih=607


21 posted on 09/07/2010 8:02:58 PM PDT by earlJam
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Dont worry...I’ll burn one for ya...


22 posted on 09/07/2010 8:06:16 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Sorry about the source, there is a lot of junk out there but this was one of the better ones in terms of information.

http://www.lcrga.com/news/Fred-Phelps-Al-Gore-Westboro-Baptist-Church-God-Hates-Fags/200010251159.shtml

http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2010/04/fred-phelps-al-gore-peas-in-a-radical-environmental-pod/


23 posted on 09/07/2010 8:07:07 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: earlJam

Thanks!


24 posted on 09/07/2010 8:07:36 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (I don't have a 'Cousin Pookie'.)
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To: Crim

You go right ahead, babes! It’s freedom of speech.......I’m just trying to get to the bottom of the real ‘motive’ of this so-called ‘church’ and the ‘$hit-stirring’.


25 posted on 09/07/2010 8:10:13 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (I don't have a 'Cousin Pookie'.)
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To: Outlaw Woman

I think you really need to go back and reread what you just wrote. Then when you get finished go and look up the 1st Amendment.

I vehemently disagree with the phelps gang but they are citizens and have the same rights as you or I whether you like it or not.

The best solution is to simply ignore them and not feed their need of attention.


26 posted on 09/07/2010 8:13:00 PM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: earlJam
"What a tool."

Well, he has great many supporters here on FR.

27 posted on 09/07/2010 8:16:15 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Here is what raised red flags for me.

In our society and culture, burning of books never is associated with opposition (like flag burning), its common association is with powers that be hiding knowledge or suppressing information. No one in our culture usually thinks “I am going to oppose that religion or enemy so I will burn his books”. Instead, book burnings archetypal associations are of 1984 and Fahrenheit 451.

Book burnings and bannings also don’t result in rallying enemies, what it does is create a ‘forbidden knowledge’ that people usually seek out. In other words, for Islam, it would draw people to it to find out what the ‘forbidden knowledge’ is.. It is almost a publicity stunt.

Maybe I’m over-thinking it.. but this is the first thing that ran through my head..


28 posted on 09/07/2010 8:16:47 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: earlJam

While in the eyes of the law, the pastor who plans to do this Koran burning has the legal right, on the moral side of the question, should he do it?

I do know the answer.


29 posted on 09/07/2010 8:17:35 PM PDT by Biggirl (GO UCONN FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!! :)=^..^=)
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To: mnehring

Book burnings and bannings also don’t result in rallying enemies, what it does is create a ‘forbidden knowledge’ that people usually seek out. In other words, for Islam, it would draw people to it to find out what the ‘forbidden knowledge’ is.. It is almost a publicity stunt.

Maybe I’m over-thinking it.. but this is the first thing that ran through my head..
____________________________________________________________

That is a GREAT point.


30 posted on 09/07/2010 8:19:20 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (I don't have a 'Cousin Pookie'.)
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To: TopQuark
Well, he has great many supporters here on FR.

Bull! We just have a proper sense of perspective.

31 posted on 09/07/2010 8:21:21 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: earlJam

Thankfully the Patriot Guard provide support to military families who otherwise would be at the mercy of these vermin. A few hundred patriots on motorcycles make an effective barrier so these families can bury their loved ones in some semblance of peace.


32 posted on 09/07/2010 8:21:31 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: earlJam

This officially ends all debate about Terry Jones. He is, in the words of the great Bob Grant, a fake, phony, fraud.


33 posted on 09/07/2010 8:24:49 PM PDT by montag813 (http://www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona)
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To: dfwgator
"We just have a proper sense of perspective."

I guess, "proper perspective" means support for and celebration of book-burning. Nice. Very nice.

34 posted on 09/07/2010 8:24:59 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: earlJam
[And yes, if my husband died I would be glad if Westboro would come and hold their signs and sing at his funeral. Many people would be shocked, but they might be shocked into a fear of God and a decision for Christ. How will they know if someone does not tell them?]

Fran, honey, I know it's not easy but I think you need to set that crack pipe down and give it a rest for a while.

35 posted on 09/07/2010 8:25:30 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: earlJam
So fallen soldiers in the OT that were directed by God to go into battle die because of His wrath? Would someone please explain this concept to me?
36 posted on 09/07/2010 8:25:48 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
Their “motive”?

Clearly they have the same motive as the mohammed cartoonist....to exercise their right to freedom of expression....

If it shakes the “moderate muslims” out of the jihad tree...more power to them...

They are putting themselves in harms way to illustrate that radical islam isnt peaceful or non violent...it's a death cult that will murder, extort, and riot...in the name of allah...*spits*...and that so called “moderates” are in fact a minority in Islam...

There is no moral equivalency between Christianity and Islam....and actions like this prove it...

37 posted on 09/07/2010 8:26:28 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: TopQuark

I’m not celebrating anything, other than the fact that we have freedoms in this country to express our opinions no matter how unpopular they may be.

I could care less about this stupid church. And I care even less that somebody a half a world away might be offended by it.


38 posted on 09/07/2010 8:26:58 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: earlJam

DoveWorld, another set of ego and money driven scammers.


39 posted on 09/07/2010 8:29:00 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR, since 1998.)
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To: earlJam

‘our side’? This does not represents our side.


40 posted on 09/07/2010 8:29:17 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: omegadawn
maybe we should remind everyone if a American tourist in a arab country is caught with a Bible ,it is seized and burned!!

Why is this not being protested about in America?

Why would anyone in the US protest what goes on in another country? As soon as you walk across the US border, your rights as an American citizen are gone and only exist if the country you are in chooses to give them to you.

If you don't like how they treat Christians in certain countries, don't ever go there.

Other than that, there isn't much we should do. It isn't our right to demand that other nations change any more than it's their right to demand that we change.

41 posted on 09/07/2010 8:29:39 PM PDT by mountainbunny
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To: TopQuark

I think you may be confusing supporting’freedom of speech and expression’ with supporting him.


42 posted on 09/07/2010 8:31:47 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: mnehring

Yes you are over thinking it...

They are burning Korans to illustrate that muslims will go ape shit over it...

And they will...as sure as the sun will rise tommorrow..

Cause and effect....


43 posted on 09/07/2010 8:33:17 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Crim

That’s a good point, Crim. I TOTALLY agree that ‘moderate’ Muslims should speak out without fear. I’m just questioning the timing and their support of the Westboro Baptist Church.....who I’ve always suspected as a left-wing troll group......to make Christianity look bad.


44 posted on 09/07/2010 8:33:56 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (I don't have a 'Cousin Pookie'.)
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To: earlJam
Admin Moderator, I was not sure which forum to put this in. Apologies if it went in the wrong one.

I'm not the Admin Moderator, but...um...I think it belongs in the trash bin.

45 posted on 09/07/2010 8:34:23 PM PDT by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)
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To: Crim
They are burning Korans to illustrate that muslims will go ape shit over it...

That is probably true, the simplest explanation is usually correct.. However, do note the link, they are fans of Fred Phelps and his Westboro loons... that makes me wonder what side they may be playing in this.

46 posted on 09/07/2010 8:34:46 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: montag813

“This officially ends all debate about Terry Jones.”

Thankfully...it is not up to you...


47 posted on 09/07/2010 8:34:46 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: earlJam

How’d I know a pro-muzzie Obamabot like you would post this?

Just a lucky guess.

Here’s a tip: Stock up on your Depends now so when Obama sends his DOJ thugs to shut down free speech and freedom of religion, you won’t wet yourself with glee.


48 posted on 09/07/2010 8:35:09 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: CajunConservative
I don't need to go back and reread anything. I know what I said; I know what the 1st amendment says. But speech, when it is from an enemy (domestic or foreign), & when it 'incites' is not guaranteed (the 'yelling fire' in a theatre scenario). We have people taking these lunatics seriously.

The best solution is to simply ignore them and not feed their need of attention.

Yes, ignoring has worked so well through the years /heavy sarcasm. The great thing about America is that we can disagree and you are exercising that right and that's wonderful. But ignoring is not the answer. The "live and let live" philosophy sounds wonderful but is one of the reasons we are headed for the cliff.

49 posted on 09/07/2010 8:36:03 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Extremism in defense of Liberty is sometimes necessary...)
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To: TopQuark

“I guess, “proper perspective” means support for and celebration of book-burning. Nice. Very nice.”

It’s called “freedom of expression”....it’s an American thing....you may want to look it up...


50 posted on 09/07/2010 8:36:26 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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