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Vatican: Burning Quran is outrageous, grave move
Associated Press via Yahoo! News ^ | 2010 Sept 8

Posted on 09/08/2010 8:40:53 AM PDT by Wiz

Edited on 09/08/2010 8:42:03 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

VATICAN CITY – The Vatican on Wednesday denounced as "outrageous and grave" plans by a Christian minister in Florida to burn copies of the Quran to mark the Sept. 11 anniversary.

The Vatican office responsible for relations with Islam issued a stern statement saying every religion has the right to expect that its sacred books, places of worship and symbols will be respected and protected.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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To: rogue yam

It may be encouraging some average Americans to oppose jihad, but I think it’s giving ammunition to other, more powerful Americans (well, those who claim to be Americans, such as our mysterious president) to put special laws in place to “protect” Muslims, and then we average Americans are going to be forbidden from fighting back in any way, even verbally. There is already a UN resolution that would do just that.


251 posted on 09/08/2010 12:45:40 PM PDT by livius
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To: TexasCajun
I support the burning of the koran. It is a wicked book of idealogical filth that is responsible for the murder of millions of people.

There is Biblical precedent for burning books that offend the One True God:

"Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together and burned them before all men and they counted the price of them and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver. So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed." Acts 19:19-20

252 posted on 09/08/2010 12:49:16 PM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3
You think 50 or so people burning a book is going to show the Muslim world that we aren’t going to become Sharia compliant? You think that is going to happen when our media is going to spin this to make Christians look bad and Muslims look like the victims? You think that is going to happen when the administration is going to denounce this?

You are right, this book burning is going to change something but not what you think.

Yes, it is going to see us adopt the UN/EU proposed laws prohibiting blasphemy against Islam.

Christians need not apply for such "protections from offense". AntiChristian sentiments are too well ingrained in academia, entertainment, and government.

253 posted on 09/08/2010 12:50:48 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I want IMPROVEMENT, not just CHANGE.)
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To: Gabrial

Westboro is a family run cult largely employed as lawyers. If they can provoke a violent response, they can sue for “damages”.


254 posted on 09/08/2010 12:52:20 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I want IMPROVEMENT, not just CHANGE.)
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To: presently no screen name

I never said you couldn’t speak. I said what you wrote was ridiculous.


255 posted on 09/08/2010 12:54:15 PM PDT by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: a fool in paradise
“Westboro is a family run cult largely employed as lawyers. If they can provoke a violent response, they can sue for “damages”.”

I will tell you one thing for sure, they were the nastiest most vile people I have ever seen close up. They purposely targeted families with young kids.

256 posted on 09/08/2010 12:59:38 PM PDT by Gabrial (The Whitehouse Nightmare will continue as long as the Nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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To: Wiz
“...the Vatican denounces the move as outrageous, grave move, or apostate worth excommunication in more straight words, which the Vatican may say the move is against Christian faith and its purity.”

Funny that we have never heard the Vatican complain about or denounce as “apostate” any of the outrageous things Muslims have done to offend and kill Christians. I guess it shows just whose side the Vatican is on. The Vatican, “for murdering Christians and burning bibles, against burning korans.”

257 posted on 09/08/2010 12:59:57 PM PDT by monday
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To: Patriotic1

Ridiculous to you but it is the truth.


258 posted on 09/08/2010 1:00:23 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Wiz; All

MY $0.02 , I’m an Agnostic since age 18 and do not belong to any of the (religious?) Franchises.
Having studied most of the larger franchises all have one thing in common, Intolerance!
The Ten Commandants has merit with me but hypocrisy is so rampant in the franchises it’s pathetic.
I will assume that the majority here don’t give a ratsass what I feel and thats fine with me because I don’t give a Wizz! I will live a godly life, not worldly.


259 posted on 09/08/2010 1:02:16 PM PDT by GOYAKLA (Flush Congress in 2010 & 2012)
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To: Wiz
"Vatican: Burning Quran is outrageous, grave move"

Yep its a stupid move.

Its also protected by the First Amendment and last time I checked the Constitution is still the law of the land. (unless of course activist judges override it with unconstitutional rulings.)

260 posted on 09/08/2010 1:04:53 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the next one...)
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To: Wiz

Merkel to honor Mohammed cartoonist at press award
reuters.com ^ | Sep 8, 2010 | Stephen Brown and Knut Engelmann
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2585383/posts?

“German Chancellor Angela Merkel risked angering Muslims by speaking at an awards ceremony on Wednesday for a Dane whose cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed provoked sometimes violent protests by Muslims five years ago. The 75-year-old cartoonist Kurt Westergaard, whose drawings of Mohammed that offended Muslims worldwide first appeared in Danish paper Jyllands-Posten in 2005, was due to receive a prize on Wednesday evening at a conference on freedom of the press...”


261 posted on 09/08/2010 1:06:20 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I want IMPROVEMENT, not just CHANGE.)
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To: Lurker

The Muzlims are lucky we aren’t burning them.


262 posted on 09/08/2010 1:07:43 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Wiz

The Vatican giving credibility to Pagan Islam as a religion seems a dangerous stand given the Bibles clear discription of how God views Pagan religion, practices, books, images etc.


263 posted on 09/08/2010 1:08:37 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: dfwgator

Of course, the idiot didn’t notice that they’re trying to kill our troops already. I sometimes wish we could resurrect Patton and a couple other actual generals. And Black Jack Pershing.


264 posted on 09/08/2010 1:10:24 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: rogue yam

I think this support for this burning is a manifestation of hatred that everyone is feeling towards Muslims. People are fed up and I daresay that the Muzzies are going to end up getting upset about more than a Koran burning. A lot of poeple are no openly saying what they wouldn’t dream of saying before. Muslims have been stupid to excuse courtesy for acceptance of their lifestyle.

If they do keep pushing, more burnings will happen and perhaps people will start attacking Muslims in the street. I am sure such things have happened and that the press simply hasn’t covered it. I have no more ‘tolerance’ for anything and frankly I wonder if I might do such a thing, for therapy. I really don’t care anymore and neither really do most people I know. Many support this and rightly.

Each time the Muzzies complain, they anger more and more people. They are beginning to realize that they are on the losing end and will likely experience a backlash. And it won’t be nice. If the government told us more about the attacks that they have tried, there will be blood in the streets. Every so often civilized society has to vomit up the bile that has infected the body.


265 posted on 09/08/2010 1:18:30 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: ohioWfan

>>It is because of my conservative, and my Christian, Scripture-based principles, that I oppose the burning of any book<<

Deuteronomy 7:5 But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire.

“Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together and burned them before all men and they counted the price of them and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver. So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed.” Acts 19:19-20.


266 posted on 09/08/2010 1:23:09 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: P-Marlowe

>>I agree with the Pope. “Outrageous.” “Grave.” NOT the way Christians behave.<<

Didn’t used to be that way. Catholic ways must have changed over time.

Since the Church and Christian states viewed the Talmud as a book hateful and insulting toward Christ and gentiles, subsequent popes were also known to organize public burnings of Jewish books. The most well known of them were Innocent IV (1243–1254), Clement IV (1256–1268), John XXII (1316–1334), Paul IV (1555–1559), Pius V (1566–1572) and Clement VIII (1592–1605).

The burnings of Hebrew books was initiated by Pope Gregory IX, who persuaded French King Louis IX to undertake it.


267 posted on 09/08/2010 1:26:24 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

While that is biblical, we still find the Constitution (man’s law) to be the law we have to live under (or leave the nation or change the law). “Render unto Caesar...”

There are Islamist governments around the world that hold true to the violent and restrictive (on religious freedom) passages of the Koran. Since we see evidence in the modern world (including present day slavery and calls for violent jihad), we have a right to express caution when foreign governments fund the expansion of Islam in America through the construction of mosques and the importation of educational materials for childrens’ radical indoctrination.

Not every muslim belongs to a radical mosque or listens to a radical Imam but they all seem angry at the suggestion that any muslims in this nation are beholden to a foreign allegiance or sedition towards this nation. They can’t simply fall back on the excuse “well that’s not real Islam then”. They need to do more to rid their communities of those who “pervert” the teachings.

I have no qualms about denouncing so called Christians as Jeremiah Wright and Fred Phelps. You can lump plenty of televangelists in there as well.


268 posted on 09/08/2010 1:44:32 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I want IMPROVEMENT, not just CHANGE.)
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To: All

First I am not a libtard or liberal period. Second I will fear no evil. I received a copy of the koran in the mail yesterday and plan on soaking it in bacon grease and burning it on Saturday. I am showing no more disrespect than islam does for our flag and Bible. To hell with them all!


269 posted on 09/08/2010 1:49:59 PM PDT by spielyi (Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad. ~ Euripides)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

There will be backlash not only for our military but for Americans and especially Christians worldwide. All this so some “pastor” can have his 15 minutes.

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Backlash? Muslims routinely slaughter Christians in places like Egypt, Iraq, Kenya, Somalia, Ethiopia, Indonesia. Malaysia, Afghanistan and Pakistan...every damn day!!! It’s about time someone stood up to them!

Some pastor of a small church in FL wants to burn some books and his critics call him barbaric, outrageous, etc because muslims will riot and kill people as a result. And the pastor’s actions are the only ones being called outrageous????

As a matter of self defense the practice of islam should be outlawed in The West. It’s not a religion it is a political, judicial and cultural cod e of life that is violent, anti-modern and antithetical to the values and morals of The West. Mosques are recruiting centers for terrorism and should be closed. All of them!


270 posted on 09/08/2010 1:56:41 PM PDT by pgkdan (When the same man...holds the sword and the purse, there is an end of liberty: George Mason)
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To: a fool in paradise

>>They need to do more to rid their communities of those who “pervert” the teachings.<<

The problem is, they can’t do that because the very book they use as a base of their so called religion tells them what to do.

Fight the disbelievers! Allah is on your side; he will give you victory. 9:12-14

The “Religion of Truth” (Islam) must prevail, by force if necessary, over all other religions. 9:33

Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway. 9:73

If you refuse to fight for Allah, he will punish you with a painful doom. 48:16

This is what ALL Muslims believe. At least if they believe in what the Koran says. Are any of those quotes moderate?


271 posted on 09/08/2010 1:59:14 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Wiz

We are also in a position that such acts may be denounced as apostates from the Vatican. Are you willing to risk a chance to be called the enemy of church and the Vatican, and maybe beyond?
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I’ve been a faithful Catholic all my life but if the Church is going to consider me an enemy because I denounce the false religion of islam and support the burning of their evil book then I’ve made a new enemy.


272 posted on 09/08/2010 2:00:04 PM PDT by pgkdan (When the same man...holds the sword and the purse, there is an end of liberty: George Mason)
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To: spielyi; All

Vatican: Burning Quran is Courageous, and Rave Move; would have been the better Title!


273 posted on 09/08/2010 2:02:34 PM PDT by GOYAKLA (Flush Congress in 2010 & 2012)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

I understand that, but that seems to assume there is none now. There is non stop violence against our troops as it stands - otherwise the WOT would be won.


274 posted on 09/08/2010 2:07:20 PM PDT by fml
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To: pgkdan

I understand ALL of that. Of course, it isn’t the beginning of violence by Muslims but it will increase the violence. And alot of public opinion will be sympathetic to the Muslims (ridiculous I know). This pastor is not standing up to anyone. He is in it for his 15 minutes.

I don’t think the pastor is barbaric. I think he is an attention seeking idiot.


275 posted on 09/08/2010 2:12:27 PM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

No they are wrong for the reason I posted. Both Old and New Testaments teach God has a begotten Son, the Koran emphatically rejects Allah having a son. False beliefs menat to confuse and misinterpretations create the error


276 posted on 09/08/2010 2:13:29 PM PDT by fml
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To: pgkdan

If he can’t get the fire permit (the city is looking to deny him), then can he hold a rally to beat it with his shoe?


277 posted on 09/08/2010 2:13:50 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I want IMPROVEMENT, not just CHANGE.)
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To: pgkdan

IOW, if someone was TRULY taking a stand against Islam like you are talking about (outlawing it), then I can see the increase in violence worldwide as a price we must pay for doing the right thing. I hate to see an increase in violence so some idiot can get famous. Does that make it clearer?


278 posted on 09/08/2010 2:14:36 PM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: fml

ping to 278


279 posted on 09/08/2010 2:15:17 PM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
"...and get one trillion virgins that look like this.."

FWIW, although the virgins might look like her, because Helen is a widow she herself would not qualify :)

280 posted on 09/08/2010 2:16:57 PM PDT by Mila
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To: fml

Recall that the terrorists claimed they killed Nick Berg because of the offense of the Abu Ghraib photos (which were not previously seen by the public, for a case which was already under CRIMINAL PROSECUTION of the perps, one of whom leaked the photos because he didn’t get the plea bargain his uncle tried to negotiate).

Except the timeline of events is that Nick Berg was kidnapped nearly a month before his murder. They held him. He was becoming a liability after a Haliburton employee (also kidnapped awhile) escaped and informed details of how/where he was being kept. The Abu Ghraib news broke, the media blew it out of proportion and called it worse than the most horrific Nazi attrocity (thank Disney-ESPN funded Hunter S. Thompson for that one). A few days later Berg was killed.

They will play up the “motive” to the press, but they will kill regardless. Anyone recall any of the “reasons” the other kidnap victims were killed?


281 posted on 09/08/2010 2:18:21 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I want IMPROVEMENT, not just CHANGE.)
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To: aeonspromise

‘the muslim allah is not the same as the Christian allah then..how’s that?’

Pretty much, though remember Islam appears to be an offshoot of the Christian heresy Arianism. Much of the trouble in the later Roman Empire came from the fact that nearly all of the German barbarian invaders converted to Arian Christianity. This included the Western and Eastern Goths, the Vandals, and the Lombards. Much of the course of Medieval History came about from the fact that the Franks converted to Orthodox (Catholic) Christianity.


282 posted on 09/08/2010 2:18:30 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: thethirddegree

The church of Acts didn’t go around burning books that offend the One True God.

Read the Scripture again. They brought THEIR books that THEY had used before conversion. They were giving up their old ways.

So tired of seeing this posted in support of these people!!!!!


283 posted on 09/08/2010 2:22:35 PM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: monday

‘Funny that we have never heard the Vatican complain about or denounce as “apostate” any of the outrageous things Muslims have done to offend and kill Christians’

The post you were referring to INVENTED the word ‘apostate’, which did not appear in the Church’s statement.


284 posted on 09/08/2010 2:24:14 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: CynicalBear

Still misusing this scripture I see.


285 posted on 09/08/2010 2:26:00 PM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: pgkdan; Wiz

The ‘apostate’ quote from wiz is a fraud.


286 posted on 09/08/2010 2:28:01 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3; pgkdan
So you justify seeintg our constitional rights being trampled on because he is only one idiot?

There is no provocation for what the Muslims , for people of good minds and hearts to suddenly give in to their ultimatums as an understanding for their behavior is sad to me.

287 posted on 09/08/2010 2:28:47 PM PDT by fml
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To: fml

No, he has every right to do it and I have every right to say he is an idiot for doing it.


288 posted on 09/08/2010 2:30:03 PM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: fml
The idea that Christ is a created being is a long established principle of certain Christian heresies, including Arianism and Monophysitism<. They take care of this problem by having a somewhat different Bible. Islam started as an offshoot of such heresies./p>
289 posted on 09/08/2010 2:32:28 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: a fool in paradise
Yes, I remember.

There is not one valid reason for the killing outside the public desire for world domination, but everytime one of us gives them any benefit of doubt we creep closer to losing to them.

290 posted on 09/08/2010 2:34:15 PM PDT by fml
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To: Gabrial

Inciting people to violence is subjective..and you then fall into the trap of the Muslims who justify their actions because YOU incited them to violence. You did such and such so it is okay to be violent...

So it is okay to punch out Westboro because they have sodomy signs and those members had to be held back?????? But it is not okay to punch out Americans who hold signs that Muslims find offensive???
Slippery slope...


291 posted on 09/08/2010 2:53:40 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: ansel12
Wow. You are being bellicose and obtuse here, ansel.

It was a specific question in response to a specific post by a specific freeper (who incidentally answered the question, "Yes." and to which I replied, "Thank you for your service."

Now you are calling me a liar, and you have been calling me personally offensive names since your first post, but the truth is that you are just plain mistaken and have been since that post. The fact that you don't get it doesn't make me a liar, it just makes you stubbornly wrong.

Your bad behavior is right here in black and white for all to see, and the more you persist, the worse you look.

Perhaps, since you are itching for a fight with someone, you should go kick your dog or something equally constructive to what you're doing here.

I'm tired of this silliness. Give it up, ansel. Your accusations are getting goofy.

292 posted on 09/08/2010 3:03:58 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Right


293 posted on 09/08/2010 3:19:08 PM PDT by fml
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

I’m going to stick with the attitude that God through scripture has toward pagan literature, idols, etc. Never once does it say to do anything other then destroy them.


294 posted on 09/08/2010 3:42:49 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Thank you for an excellent, thoughtful, fact-based post, Mrs. Don-o.

As a Protestant, I completely agree with you.

"If anyone has a right to be taken seriously, it is Pope Benedict."

295 posted on 09/08/2010 3:44:27 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: JTHomes

This is a religious war. Always has been always will be no matter how many bridges, schools, and hospitals we build in the Middle East.

We either face up to now or later.


296 posted on 09/08/2010 3:48:39 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Political correctness in America today is a Rip Van Winkle acid trip.)
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To: CynicalBear

You mean you are going to stick with twisting the scripture in Acts to fit your agenda.


297 posted on 09/08/2010 3:51:29 PM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: Wiz
The Vatican is right. Just imagine how we feel when we see a Bible defaced, or a cross in a jar of urine.

WE may not agree with the Muslim faith, but that doesn't mean it's right to desecrate what THEY consider holy.

This Koran burning is a very STUPID move on the part of that allegedly Christian pastor.

298 posted on 09/08/2010 4:17:45 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: ohioWfan
Thank you.

If I may ask, please pray for Pope Benedict's safety: but even moreso, for his fidelity.

299 posted on 09/08/2010 4:22:09 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The first duty of intelligent men of our day is the restatement of the obvious. " - George Orwell)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I certainly will. He is a significant figure in Christendom, and I'm sure that Satan is working on getting rid of him.

He needs both spiritual and physical protection.

Thanks for the reminder.

300 posted on 09/08/2010 4:27:41 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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