Skip to comments.Vatican: Burning Quran is outrageous, grave move
Posted on 09/08/2010 8:40:53 AM PDT by WizEdited on 09/08/2010 8:42:03 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
VATICAN CITY – The Vatican on Wednesday denounced as "outrageous and grave" plans by a Christian minister in Florida to burn copies of the Quran to mark the Sept. 11 anniversary.
The Vatican office responsible for relations with Islam issued a stern statement saying every religion has the right to expect that its sacred books, places of worship and symbols will be respected and protected.
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It may be encouraging some average Americans to oppose jihad, but I think it’s giving ammunition to other, more powerful Americans (well, those who claim to be Americans, such as our mysterious president) to put special laws in place to “protect” Muslims, and then we average Americans are going to be forbidden from fighting back in any way, even verbally. There is already a UN resolution that would do just that.
There is Biblical precedent for burning books that offend the One True God:
"Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together and burned them before all men and they counted the price of them and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver. So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed." Acts 19:19-20
You are right, this book burning is going to change something but not what you think.
Yes, it is going to see us adopt the UN/EU proposed laws prohibiting blasphemy against Islam.
Christians need not apply for such "protections from offense". AntiChristian sentiments are too well ingrained in academia, entertainment, and government.
Westboro is a family run cult largely employed as lawyers. If they can provoke a violent response, they can sue for “damages”.
I never said you couldn’t speak. I said what you wrote was ridiculous.
I will tell you one thing for sure, they were the nastiest most vile people I have ever seen close up. They purposely targeted families with young kids.
Funny that we have never heard the Vatican complain about or denounce as “apostate” any of the outrageous things Muslims have done to offend and kill Christians. I guess it shows just whose side the Vatican is on. The Vatican, “for murdering Christians and burning bibles, against burning korans.”
Ridiculous to you but it is the truth.
MY $0.02 , I’m an Agnostic since age 18 and do not belong to any of the (religious?) Franchises.
Having studied most of the larger franchises all have one thing in common, Intolerance!
The Ten Commandants has merit with me but hypocrisy is so rampant in the franchises it’s pathetic.
I will assume that the majority here don’t give a ratsass what I feel and thats fine with me because I don’t give a Wizz! I will live a godly life, not worldly.
Yep its a stupid move.
Its also protected by the First Amendment and last time I checked the Constitution is still the law of the land. (unless of course activist judges override it with unconstitutional rulings.)
Merkel to honor Mohammed cartoonist at press award
reuters.com ^ | Sep 8, 2010 | Stephen Brown and Knut Engelmann
“German Chancellor Angela Merkel risked angering Muslims by speaking at an awards ceremony on Wednesday for a Dane whose cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed provoked sometimes violent protests by Muslims five years ago. The 75-year-old cartoonist Kurt Westergaard, whose drawings of Mohammed that offended Muslims worldwide first appeared in Danish paper Jyllands-Posten in 2005, was due to receive a prize on Wednesday evening at a conference on freedom of the press...”
The Muzlims are lucky we aren’t burning them.
The Vatican giving credibility to Pagan Islam as a religion seems a dangerous stand given the Bibles clear discription of how God views Pagan religion, practices, books, images etc.
Of course, the idiot didn’t notice that they’re trying to kill our troops already. I sometimes wish we could resurrect Patton and a couple other actual generals. And Black Jack Pershing.
I think this support for this burning is a manifestation of hatred that everyone is feeling towards Muslims. People are fed up and I daresay that the Muzzies are going to end up getting upset about more than a Koran burning. A lot of poeple are no openly saying what they wouldn’t dream of saying before. Muslims have been stupid to excuse courtesy for acceptance of their lifestyle.
If they do keep pushing, more burnings will happen and perhaps people will start attacking Muslims in the street. I am sure such things have happened and that the press simply hasn’t covered it. I have no more ‘tolerance’ for anything and frankly I wonder if I might do such a thing, for therapy. I really don’t care anymore and neither really do most people I know. Many support this and rightly.
Each time the Muzzies complain, they anger more and more people. They are beginning to realize that they are on the losing end and will likely experience a backlash. And it won’t be nice. If the government told us more about the attacks that they have tried, there will be blood in the streets. Every so often civilized society has to vomit up the bile that has infected the body.
>>It is because of my conservative, and my Christian, Scripture-based principles, that I oppose the burning of any book<<
Deuteronomy 7:5 But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire.
“Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together and burned them before all men and they counted the price of them and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver. So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed.” Acts 19:19-20.
>>I agree with the Pope. “Outrageous.” “Grave.” NOT the way Christians behave.<<
Didn’t used to be that way. Catholic ways must have changed over time.
Since the Church and Christian states viewed the Talmud as a book hateful and insulting toward Christ and gentiles, subsequent popes were also known to organize public burnings of Jewish books. The most well known of them were Innocent IV (12431254), Clement IV (12561268), John XXII (13161334), Paul IV (15551559), Pius V (15661572) and Clement VIII (15921605).
The burnings of Hebrew books was initiated by Pope Gregory IX, who persuaded French King Louis IX to undertake it.
While that is biblical, we still find the Constitution (man’s law) to be the law we have to live under (or leave the nation or change the law). “Render unto Caesar...”
There are Islamist governments around the world that hold true to the violent and restrictive (on religious freedom) passages of the Koran. Since we see evidence in the modern world (including present day slavery and calls for violent jihad), we have a right to express caution when foreign governments fund the expansion of Islam in America through the construction of mosques and the importation of educational materials for childrens’ radical indoctrination.
Not every muslim belongs to a radical mosque or listens to a radical Imam but they all seem angry at the suggestion that any muslims in this nation are beholden to a foreign allegiance or sedition towards this nation. They can’t simply fall back on the excuse “well that’s not real Islam then”. They need to do more to rid their communities of those who “pervert” the teachings.
I have no qualms about denouncing so called Christians as Jeremiah Wright and Fred Phelps. You can lump plenty of televangelists in there as well.
First I am not a libtard or liberal period. Second I will fear no evil. I received a copy of the koran in the mail yesterday and plan on soaking it in bacon grease and burning it on Saturday. I am showing no more disrespect than islam does for our flag and Bible. To hell with them all!
There will be backlash not only for our military but for Americans and especially Christians worldwide. All this so some pastor can have his 15 minutes.
Backlash? Muslims routinely slaughter Christians in places like Egypt, Iraq, Kenya, Somalia, Ethiopia, Indonesia. Malaysia, Afghanistan and Pakistan...every damn day!!! It’s about time someone stood up to them!
Some pastor of a small church in FL wants to burn some books and his critics call him barbaric, outrageous, etc because muslims will riot and kill people as a result. And the pastor’s actions are the only ones being called outrageous????
As a matter of self defense the practice of islam should be outlawed in The West. It’s not a religion it is a political, judicial and cultural cod e of life that is violent, anti-modern and antithetical to the values and morals of The West. Mosques are recruiting centers for terrorism and should be closed. All of them!
>>They need to do more to rid their communities of those who pervert the teachings.<<
The problem is, they can’t do that because the very book they use as a base of their so called religion tells them what to do.
Fight the disbelievers! Allah is on your side; he will give you victory. 9:12-14
The “Religion of Truth” (Islam) must prevail, by force if necessary, over all other religions. 9:33
Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway. 9:73
If you refuse to fight for Allah, he will punish you with a painful doom. 48:16
This is what ALL Muslims believe. At least if they believe in what the Koran says. Are any of those quotes moderate?
We are also in a position that such acts may be denounced as apostates from the Vatican. Are you willing to risk a chance to be called the enemy of church and the Vatican, and maybe beyond?
I’ve been a faithful Catholic all my life but if the Church is going to consider me an enemy because I denounce the false religion of islam and support the burning of their evil book then I’ve made a new enemy.
Vatican: Burning Quran is Courageous, and Rave Move; would have been the better Title!
I understand that, but that seems to assume there is none now. There is non stop violence against our troops as it stands - otherwise the WOT would be won.
I understand ALL of that. Of course, it isn’t the beginning of violence by Muslims but it will increase the violence. And alot of public opinion will be sympathetic to the Muslims (ridiculous I know). This pastor is not standing up to anyone. He is in it for his 15 minutes.
I don’t think the pastor is barbaric. I think he is an attention seeking idiot.
No they are wrong for the reason I posted. Both Old and New Testaments teach God has a begotten Son, the Koran emphatically rejects Allah having a son. False beliefs menat to confuse and misinterpretations create the error
If he can’t get the fire permit (the city is looking to deny him), then can he hold a rally to beat it with his shoe?
IOW, if someone was TRULY taking a stand against Islam like you are talking about (outlawing it), then I can see the increase in violence worldwide as a price we must pay for doing the right thing. I hate to see an increase in violence so some idiot can get famous. Does that make it clearer?
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FWIW, although the virgins might look like her, because Helen is a widow she herself would not qualify :)
Recall that the terrorists claimed they killed Nick Berg because of the offense of the Abu Ghraib photos (which were not previously seen by the public, for a case which was already under CRIMINAL PROSECUTION of the perps, one of whom leaked the photos because he didn’t get the plea bargain his uncle tried to negotiate).
Except the timeline of events is that Nick Berg was kidnapped nearly a month before his murder. They held him. He was becoming a liability after a Haliburton employee (also kidnapped awhile) escaped and informed details of how/where he was being kept. The Abu Ghraib news broke, the media blew it out of proportion and called it worse than the most horrific Nazi attrocity (thank Disney-ESPN funded Hunter S. Thompson for that one). A few days later Berg was killed.
They will play up the “motive” to the press, but they will kill regardless. Anyone recall any of the “reasons” the other kidnap victims were killed?
‘the muslim allah is not the same as the Christian allah then..hows that?’
Pretty much, though remember Islam appears to be an offshoot of the Christian heresy Arianism. Much of the trouble in the later Roman Empire came from the fact that nearly all of the German barbarian invaders converted to Arian Christianity. This included the Western and Eastern Goths, the Vandals, and the Lombards. Much of the course of Medieval History came about from the fact that the Franks converted to Orthodox (Catholic) Christianity.
The church of Acts didn’t go around burning books that offend the One True God.
Read the Scripture again. They brought THEIR books that THEY had used before conversion. They were giving up their old ways.
So tired of seeing this posted in support of these people!!!!!
‘Funny that we have never heard the Vatican complain about or denounce as apostate any of the outrageous things Muslims have done to offend and kill Christians’
The post you were referring to INVENTED the word ‘apostate’, which did not appear in the Church’s statement.
Still misusing this scripture I see.
The ‘apostate’ quote from wiz is a fraud.
There is no provocation for what the Muslims , for people of good minds and hearts to suddenly give in to their ultimatums as an understanding for their behavior is sad to me.
No, he has every right to do it and I have every right to say he is an idiot for doing it.
There is not one valid reason for the killing outside the public desire for world domination, but everytime one of us gives them any benefit of doubt we creep closer to losing to them.
Inciting people to violence is subjective..and you then fall into the trap of the Muslims who justify their actions because YOU incited them to violence. You did such and such so it is okay to be violent...
So it is okay to punch out Westboro because they have sodomy signs and those members had to be held back?????? But it is not okay to punch out Americans who hold signs that Muslims find offensive???
It was a specific question in response to a specific post by a specific freeper (who incidentally answered the question, "Yes." and to which I replied, "Thank you for your service."
Now you are calling me a liar, and you have been calling me personally offensive names since your first post, but the truth is that you are just plain mistaken and have been since that post. The fact that you don't get it doesn't make me a liar, it just makes you stubbornly wrong.
Your bad behavior is right here in black and white for all to see, and the more you persist, the worse you look.
Perhaps, since you are itching for a fight with someone, you should go kick your dog or something equally constructive to what you're doing here.
I'm tired of this silliness. Give it up, ansel. Your accusations are getting goofy.
I’m going to stick with the attitude that God through scripture has toward pagan literature, idols, etc. Never once does it say to do anything other then destroy them.
As a Protestant, I completely agree with you.
"If anyone has a right to be taken seriously, it is Pope Benedict."
This is a religious war. Always has been always will be no matter how many bridges, schools, and hospitals we build in the Middle East.
We either face up to now or later.
You mean you are going to stick with twisting the scripture in Acts to fit your agenda.
WE may not agree with the Muslim faith, but that doesn't mean it's right to desecrate what THEY consider holy.
This Koran burning is a very STUPID move on the part of that allegedly Christian pastor.
If I may ask, please pray for Pope Benedict's safety: but even moreso, for his fidelity.
He needs both spiritual and physical protection.
Thanks for the reminder.