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Jurors must reveal race and ethnicity
Times Herald Record Middletown, NY ^ | 9/12/10 | Heather Yakin

Posted on 09/12/2010 3:54:39 PM PDT by Impala64ssa

GOSHEN — Starting Monday, everyone who shows up for jury duty in New York will be handed a questionnaire that asks for their race and ethnic background.

The intent — to make sure jury pools are a fair cross-section of their communities — is pure, but the execution comes across as a little "don't ask, don't tell." The requirement was created by Judiciary Law Section 528, newly minted on June 25 by Gov. David Paterson's signature.

In guidance sent out by the state Office of Court Administration, jury commissioners are instructed to hand out the information cards to jurors. They can say that the state requires them to collect the data, and the law is printed on the back of the card. They can advise jurors to use black or blue ink.

They are told not to say anything else about that card or why it's being distributed and not to offer any opinions on why the data is being collected or how to answer the questions (other than truthfully). They're told not to offer the jurors a chance to ask questions — and if they ask anyway, have them come to the front of the room to ask in private.

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They are told not to say anything else about that card or why it's being distributed and not to offer any opinions on why the data is being collected or how to answer the questions (other than truthfully). They're told not to offer the jurors a chance to ask questions — and if they ask anyway, have them come to the front of the room to ask in private.
You veeel do as you're told und you veeeel like it! So much for questioning authority.
1 posted on 09/12/2010 3:54:42 PM PDT by Impala64ssa
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To: Impala64ssa

I hope I get a jury duty summons. I’d have so much fun with that.


2 posted on 09/12/2010 3:56:20 PM PDT by Personal Responsibility ("In a time of universal deciet, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - Orwell)
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To: Personal Responsibility

What happens if you write in “human”?


3 posted on 09/12/2010 3:59:06 PM PDT by maro (One term is enough)
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To: Personal Responsibility

I notice they don’t ask who is your daddy! ;-)


4 posted on 09/12/2010 3:59:25 PM PDT by Dem Guard (Obama's 57 States = The Organization of The Islamic Conference (OIC).)
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To: Impala64ssa

This is racial profiling.


5 posted on 09/12/2010 4:00:59 PM PDT by Cobra64
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To: Impala64ssa

I’ve been on 3 juries. And while I believe I was chosen for at least 2 because I am black I am convinced they were shocked to not get the liberal they had hoped for.


6 posted on 09/12/2010 4:02:01 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a long tradition of tolerance." ~Hussein Obama, June 4, 2009, Cairo, Egypt)
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To: maro

I am a sci-fi fan so I have a lot of options... :-)


7 posted on 09/12/2010 4:02:43 PM PDT by Personal Responsibility ("In a time of universal deciet, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - Orwell)
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To: Impala64ssa

People here need to livestream video from the courtroom so the judge can not have it impounded, and get it posted all over the internet.

I would very loudly be asking the judge if my multi racial background offended the court, and when did a eugenic purity program become part of jurisprudence in a free country.

Come to think of it, I played out scenes like this in the military when crap like this came up. Generally they shifted me to assignments away from stupidity.

I never did any brig time for confronting this sort of crap either. Of course, Reagan was president for 2/3 of my time in.


8 posted on 09/12/2010 4:04:02 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Impala64ssa
The way to end this nonsense if for everyone to claim to be black.

NOBODY is genetically pure, ESPECIALLY "black" people.

9 posted on 09/12/2010 4:10:01 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The only stable state is one in which all men are equal before the law." -- Aristotle)
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To: Impala64ssa

I’m sorry, I can’t answer those questions.

The government has never assigned me a race or ethnicity.


10 posted on 09/12/2010 4:13:38 PM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: Impala64ssa

I’m a Native American.


11 posted on 09/12/2010 4:16:15 PM PDT by Drango (NO-vember is payback for April 15th)
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To: Impala64ssa

How do “race” and “ethnicity” differ?


12 posted on 09/12/2010 4:17:21 PM PDT by LiteKeeper ("Psalm 109:8")
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To: Impala64ssa

I’m serving this fall, for the first time in my life because I don’t have a baby right now, and I have been chosen to serve in COMPTON. I don’t think I will need to fill out that card as I will appear ghostly in the jury box.


13 posted on 09/12/2010 4:17:27 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Impala64ssa

They should also be required to reveal which caped crusader action figure they think they are.


14 posted on 09/12/2010 4:18:35 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Don't you dare try to use MY Constitution to protect and defend MY enemies!)
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To: Impala64ssa
They can advise jurors to use black or blue ink.

I look for a day when questionnaires will be judged not by the colour of their ink, but by the content of their answers.

15 posted on 09/12/2010 4:20:00 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Pardon him...he is a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of his tribe ... are the laws of nature)
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To: South40

Keep up the good works my fellow American!


16 posted on 09/12/2010 4:21:04 PM PDT by Circle_Hook
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To: Drango
I’m a Native American.

I was born here too.

17 posted on 09/12/2010 4:22:50 PM PDT by jslade
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To: Drango

I too am Native.

How about this as a solution to recism in America? Make it illegal for ANY entity to require disclosure of ethnicity or race for ANY REASON. Period.

Best candidate for the job based upon their individual qualifications - not based upon their race, sex, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. Isn’t that what EQUALITY means?

As soon as you put a label on anyone, you become a racist.


18 posted on 09/12/2010 4:24:35 PM PDT by datura (Stop Obamunism.)
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To: Circle_Hook

Oh I will and soon. I’ve been called for jury duty beginning October 4th. It’s always fun to see the attorneys focus on me because they automatically assume I am a liberal. All they have to do is ask the right questions during voir dire and they will know I am not. But they never do.


19 posted on 09/12/2010 4:27:25 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a long tradition of tolerance." ~Hussein Obama, June 4, 2009, Cairo, Egypt)
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To: Impala64ssa

“I’m a Viking!”
“I’m a Creachadair!”
“I’m a Celt! And I have Mead!”


20 posted on 09/12/2010 4:33:39 PM PDT by Darksheare (I shook hands with Sheryl Crow and all I got was Typhus and a single sheet of toilet paper.)
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To: LiteKeeper
How do “race” and “ethnicity” differ?

Etymological speaking "Ethnos" is the Greek for nation (Strict meaning a foreign nation) so you could have someone of sub-Saharan African parentage who was ethnically Finnish. (ie culturally and linguistically)

Bit I don't think that's what they mean

21 posted on 09/12/2010 4:33:48 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Pardon him...he is a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of his tribe ... are the laws of nature)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Current federal government policy is that employees cannot challenge an individual on what race or sex they claim to be no matter what their appearance.

In their whacko, leftist, politically correct eyes you are now what you claim to be, not what you look like, act like or what other information may be on other documents.

This is supposed to somehow protect minorities, homos. transexuals, etc. but it opens the door for all kinds of manipulation and some downright funny stuff.


22 posted on 09/12/2010 4:34:41 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Obama demands proof we have medical insurance but he can't prove he is a citizen.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Aquaman doesn’t have no stinkin’ cape.


23 posted on 09/12/2010 4:34:56 PM PDT by Drango (NO-vember is payback for April 15th)
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To: Impala64ssa

Descendant of Noah here.


24 posted on 09/12/2010 4:37:00 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God is, and (2) God is good?)
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To: Drango
Aquaman doesn’t have no stinkin’ cape.

You mean Seaman?

25 posted on 09/12/2010 4:38:42 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Pardon him...he is a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of his tribe ... are the laws of nature)
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To: Personal Responsibility

I escaped from the Klingon penal colony on Rura Penthe. However, nobody believes me because conditions here are worse.


26 posted on 09/12/2010 4:43:35 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Darksheare

“I’m a Celt! And I have Mead!”

Hey! I’m a Celt and I’m brewing some mead.


27 posted on 09/12/2010 4:46:10 PM PDT by dljordan ("His father's sword he hath girded on, And his wild harp slung behind him")
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To: Impala64ssa

Actually, I am against the whole jury choosing system. They should take the first however many people, and each lawyer gets to toss off one person. The ONLY other reason someone can be tossed off is if they know someone involved in the trial. Otherwise, sorry, they are on the jury. End of story. This whole business of choosing juries is completely and totally NOT with justice in mind.


28 posted on 09/12/2010 4:46:38 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: South40

I have bee called to jury duty 6 or 7 times over the years. They have never picked me, they always pass over me. They just want to waste my time, I guess.


29 posted on 09/12/2010 4:47:58 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Iron Munro

Actually my Mom did a lot of family research and we have Cherokee (it appears, they did not live on the reservation) on both sides of our family tree, so sometimes I do put Native American on things. Just because. I WAS born here, and so were my ancestors. Maybe pretty far back. At least as far back as I can go.


30 posted on 09/12/2010 4:51:55 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: brytlea

Not at all. I had to tell a Court that you are outside of your jurisdiction. (They were) Not the smartest folks even though they think they are.


31 posted on 09/12/2010 4:53:33 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Impala64ssa

Jury Quota’s and Jury affirmative action.

That 12 bucks you get for jury duty is a lot of money.


32 posted on 09/12/2010 4:53:51 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: dljordan

Don’t let the lawyers know that.
[They’ll want some, and lawyers on mead..]


33 posted on 09/12/2010 4:53:57 PM PDT by Darksheare (I shook hands with Sheryl Crow and all I got was Typhus and a single sheet of toilet paper.)
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To: brytlea

It’s an honor, really, to be passed over. They want people who cannot think for themselves and they love minorities for this very reason. They assume, of course, that all minorities are liberals because liberal minorities fit that mold quite well.


34 posted on 09/12/2010 4:54:25 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a long tradition of tolerance." ~Hussein Obama, June 4, 2009, Cairo, Egypt)
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To: eyedigress

There’s something about me they never like, but they always make me come sit there. :(


35 posted on 09/12/2010 4:55:50 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Impala64ssa

As a college educated, white Christian male business owner that has worked his entire life without receiving govt aid once... If I went to trial and wanted a jury ‘of my peers’... Would they be the local subway employees that would never relate to 80 hr weeks... Or people of similar demographics?

Yea, I know... I’d get stuck with the subway employees that believe more in socialism than capitalism


36 posted on 09/12/2010 4:58:50 PM PDT by sten
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To: eyedigress

My 6-great grand mother was born in Capetown in 1640, so I am a legal AA anthough Blonde & blue eyed


37 posted on 09/12/2010 5:08:02 PM PDT by barb-tex (Nov. 2!(Election Day) Dia de los Muertas. ( Day of the Dead), Them or Us. Nov 5, Guy Falkes Day)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Thereza Heinz-Kerry is African.........


38 posted on 09/12/2010 5:10:13 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: barb-tex

I take it that is “American-Athabaskan”....


39 posted on 09/12/2010 5:10:35 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: South40

I’m sure, except they always pick my husband (which annoys him because he’d rather be at work) and without giving any personal info about him, he does not fit any of those criteria.


40 posted on 09/12/2010 5:18:19 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Impala64ssa

here in WNY, there is a jury information survey that they mail to you. I called and asked if this was a summons - they said no. I told them when they sent me a summons, I would answer questions when I appear. I was told I’d be “in violation.” I believe each question was answered when I surrendered my TX drivers license for NY DL. I’ve received the “VIOLATION” remailing of the survey. I’m moving back to TX in two weeks... oh well...


41 posted on 09/12/2010 5:45:03 PM PDT by RebelTXRose
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To: Oztrich Boy

Since there is only one race - the human race - I usually inquire about a person’s ethnicity. Interesting answers.


42 posted on 09/12/2010 5:58:43 PM PDT by LiteKeeper ("Psalm 109:8")
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To: Impala64ssa

Don’t know if I’m misreading this somehow or if Heather Yakin screwed up, but: The dateline states the location as GOSHEN. If she was referring to NYC, the correct nickname for The Big Apple is GOTHAM, not GOSHEN.

Goshen was the wonderful land of milk and honey that pharoah gave to Jacob and his sons when they went to Egypt to escape a famine back home.
Gen 46:5 And Jacob rose up from Beersheba: and the sons of Israel carried Jacob their father, and their little ones, and their wives, in the wagons which Pharaoh had sent to carry him.

Gen 46:6 And they took their cattle, and their goods, which they had gotten in the land of Canaan, and came into Egypt, Jacob, and all his seed with him:
Gen 46:7 His sons, and his sons’ sons with him, his daughters, and his sons’ daughters, and all his seed brought he with him into Egypt.
Gen 47:1 Then Joseph came and told Pharaoh, and said, My father and my brethren, and their flocks, and their herds, and all that they have, are come out of the land of Canaan; and, behold, they are in the land of Goshen.


43 posted on 09/12/2010 6:01:30 PM PDT by Tucker39
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To: maro

Exactly. Do they have a legal definition of what a race and ethnicity is?


44 posted on 09/12/2010 6:25:35 PM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: South40

I have been called for jury duty 4 times. In each case, as soon as the defense attorney found out I was retired military I was excused.


45 posted on 09/12/2010 6:26:45 PM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Impala64ssa

Cool. Having a fair amount of Scot in the mix, I think I’d go with “Not crap”.


46 posted on 09/12/2010 6:30:45 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: ops33
I have been called for jury duty 4 times. In each case, as soon as the defense attorney found out I was retired military I was excused.

And there's a reason for that. They want liberals.

47 posted on 09/12/2010 6:44:33 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a long tradition of tolerance." ~Hussein Obama, June 4, 2009, Cairo, Egypt)
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To: Drango

> I’m a Native American.
I must be too. My family came here in 1607.
If I can’t be a native after 400 years then when?


48 posted on 09/12/2010 6:56:02 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (Obama, why stupid people shouldn't vote!)
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To: Darksheare

When my daughter was in school I used to write in Viking on everything they sent home with the race question on it. lo;


49 posted on 09/12/2010 7:27:43 PM PDT by sheana
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To: BuffaloJack

I understand exactly what you mean. I always put “other” when it asks for race or ethnicity, and put in AMERICAN for either. If they ask me orally on a survey, I say “American, and not hyphenated.”


50 posted on 09/12/2010 7:33:51 PM PDT by Ray'sBeth
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