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Supreme Court Justice Breyer Open to Banning Koran Burning
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 | Kristinn

Posted on 09/14/2010 6:19:55 AM PDT by kristinn

U.S. Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer has expressed a willingness to ban protesters from burning the Koran as the modern day equivalent of shouting fire in a crowded theater.

The Supreme Court has ruled burning the American flag in protest is protected speech under the First Amendment of the Constitution.

Breyer spoke to George Stephanopoulos on ABC's Good Morning America today:

But Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer told me on "GMA" that he's not prepared to conclude that -- in the internet age -- the First Amendment condones Koran burning.

“Holmes said it doesn’t mean you can shout 'fire' in a crowded theater,” Breyer told me. “Well, what is it? Why? Because people will be trampled to death. And what is the crowded theater today? What is the being trampled to death?”

Breyer is promoting his new book, Making Our Democracy Work.

Breyer was appointed to the Supreme Court in 1994 by President Bill Clinton.


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To: ExSoldier
they don't realize is the deadliest weapon is between the ears.

great point ExSoldier...so far, the intellectual 'safety' has been engaged...

tyrant wannabes keep talkin like this, they are removing the effective controls we have for self preservation...

161 posted on 09/14/2010 7:28:16 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

That is such a cute looking kid...except for the expression of hate/determination and his jihad outfit.


162 posted on 09/14/2010 7:31:37 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: MrB

Well, that’s so. But Dhimmitude is not going to sit well with Joe Sixpack or even with Jane Sixpack, the Obama-voting starry-eyed soccer mom.


163 posted on 09/14/2010 7:32:05 AM PDT by jboot (Let Christ be true and every man a liar.)
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To: sam_paine
As far as crazy guys making history, hard to hold a candle to John Brown's raid on Harpers Ferry.

“One man walking with God can change the world.” John Brown

164 posted on 09/14/2010 7:32:22 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: knarf
"Besides ... You CAN shout “fire” in a crowded theater"

But can you shout "movie" in a crowded firehouse?

165 posted on 09/14/2010 7:33:26 AM PDT by lunarville (Common sense ain't so common anymore...)
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To: sam_paine
Regarding this case, it has become almost obligatory for those defending first amendment rights to state that Jones is a nut job and that he shouldn't burn the Koran because it is a provocation. This demonstrates how conditioned many have become to being politically correct even when defending our basic civil rights.

It really shouldn't matter if we support his action or not. It is irrelevant in terms of the principle involved. Justice Breyer is what is wrong with this country and our judicial system. They want to impose their views on us regardless of what the Constitution says.

166 posted on 09/14/2010 7:34:03 AM PDT by kabar
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To: WaterBoard

Yes. We threaten to cut off funding.

They threaten to cut off heads.

They get their way; we don’t.


167 posted on 09/14/2010 7:34:25 AM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: kristinn
So are we allowed to burn Justice Breyer's new book, "Making Democracy Work"?

Here's an interesting review from the WSJ, In New Book, Justice Breyer Takes it Straight to Justice Scalia. From the article,

.....Judging from this NPR story, the book is less an explanation of Breyer’s thought about judging than it is a rather full-throated attack on “originalism,” the constitutional theory most famously espoused by Justice Antonin Scalia........
168 posted on 09/14/2010 7:35:28 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Is the right to free speech and freedom of expression dependent upon whether or not a group of people becomes angry enough to respond violently?

It appears that the answer to that question is "yes."

169 posted on 09/14/2010 7:35:36 AM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: sam_paine
I suspect many of the guys at the Alamo for example had to be a little nutty, too.

yes, indeed, outnumbered, and no chance

I would bet a Sam Houston is in the wings.

can I type that?

170 posted on 09/14/2010 7:37:41 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Bless and Protect Our Men and Women in Uniform)
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To: Girlene
So are we allowed to burn Justice Breyer's new book, "Making Democracy Work"?

This may be the reaction he is hoping for?
The money thing .....

171 posted on 09/14/2010 7:39:59 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Bless and Protect Our Men and Women in Uniform)
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To: kristinn

Bring it on Breyer! and watch for massive nation wide civil disobedience. What a POS!


172 posted on 09/14/2010 7:40:20 AM PDT by Merlinator (9/11 Never forget, Never forgive.)
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To: musicman
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173 posted on 09/14/2010 7:42:07 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: hal ogen

My birds don’t want that rag in their cages!


174 posted on 09/14/2010 7:43:10 AM PDT by Merlinator (9/11 Never forget, Never forgive.)
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To: sickoflibs
"But he did rule that burning the US flag was constitutionally protected free speech, but burning the cross was not."

Not exactly. The case you're referring to is Virginia v. Black et al., 538 U.S. 343 (2003). Breyer joined the 7-2 majority, lead by O'Connor. Oyez has a good description of the central legal holding(s) of that case. It reads...

Question:
Does the Commonwealth of Virginia's cross-burning statute, which prohibits the burning of a cross with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons, violate the First Amendment?

Conclusion:
Yes, but in a plurality opinion delivered by Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, the Court held that while a State, consistent with the First Amendment, may ban cross burning carried out with the intent to intimidate, in which four other justices joined, the provision in the Virginia statute treating any cross burning as prima facie evidence of intent to intimidate renders the statute unconstitutional in its current form, in which three other justices joined. Justice Antonin Scalia left the latter portion of the Court's conclusion to argue that the Court should vacate and remand the judgment of the Virginia Supreme Court with respect to Elliott and O'Mara, so that that court could have an opportunity to construe the cross-burning statute's prima-facie-evidence provision. Justice David H. Souter, joined by Justices Anthony M. Kennedy and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, concluded that the Virginia statute is unconstitutional and therefore concurred in the Court's judgment insofar as it affirmed the invalidation of Black's conviction. Justice Clarence Thomas dissented.

While I haven't been able to find the transcript from Breyer's conversation with Stehpi, it doesn't appear that Breyer referenced VA v. Black, but rather made mention of Oliver Wendell Holmes opinion in writing for a unanimous court in the very famous case, Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47 (1919).

I could see an intellectual argument being made that recognizes a nexus between VA v. Black with respect to Koran burnings, but any nexus - implicit or explicit - with Schenck is laughable and frightening, all at the same time. Breyer's comments are most disturbing, and hopefully will be discussed at some length in the media.

175 posted on 09/14/2010 7:43:35 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: muawiyah
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176 posted on 09/14/2010 7:44:28 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: kristinn

so he’s saying (compared to shouting fire and people will die)
that burning a koran should not be allowed due to the fact people could die.

So what we have here is a flake of a judge and an American caving in like the cowards they are to islam due to them being afraid of them.
OK so if Christians now go on rampages and kill people does this mean no more making fun of Christians and no more putting crosses in piss?


177 posted on 09/14/2010 7:46:31 AM PDT by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: no-to-illegals
This may be the reaction he is hoping for? The money thing .....

LOL, could be. I found one of his book signings is being hosted by Harvard Book Store and is being held at "First Parish Church Meetinghouse". That kinda sounds like a religious place.....is this a seperation of church and state issue? (I know, I know...that was never in the Constitution.)
178 posted on 09/14/2010 7:47:54 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: kristinn
“Holmes said it doesn’t mean you can shout 'fire' in a crowded theater,” Breyer told me. “Well, what is it? Why? Because people will be trampled to death. And what is the crowded theater today?

So the result of this is that if you want to have the banning of speach to be legitimized, then all you have to do is get violent when someone does or says something you don't like.

The obvious response to this is to get violent when a flag is burned. Get violent when someone blasphemes Jesus or Moses or God.

Aren't these supreme court idiots supposed to be able to think things through before they speak?

179 posted on 09/14/2010 7:49:02 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Rahm and George at Doe's when the knife came down)
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To: circlecity

was this idiot called on by the interviewer about him not following the law , the constitution or how much of a coward he is ????


180 posted on 09/14/2010 7:50:41 AM PDT by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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