Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

UPS and Homeland Security - UPDATE - IT WAS UPS AND THE TEAMSTERS
Me | Follow up to Earlier Post | JessDuntno

Posted on 09/14/2010 6:35:02 PM PDT by jessduntno

I own a small business. About two hours ago, a woman came through the door marked NO ADMITTANCE EMPLOYEES ONLY and started talking to one of the guys, asking questions about the business. He tried to point out to her that she had just walked through a door that was pretty clearly marked as for employees only and she waved that off and produced a business card that said she was a UPS Representative. she starts to explain that she is here by request of Homeland Security and is doing a checkup on our business because we do a lot of shipping. The guy calls me and says I should come downstairs.

I hear her saying that if we don't fill out the forms that she is waving around, we could have our shipping interrupted as soon as tomorrow.

I called my UPS Agent and she said that yes, there was some "auditing" of businesses going on, but that it was not necessary to fill out the forms, it was a cooperative effort they were engaged in with DHS. The woman was just trying to do her job, but no, it didn't have to be filled out on the spot and no, she had no authority or reason to say our shipping would be interrupted. She was embarrassed, I think.

AND THEN I STARTED TO THINK .... THEY SAID HOMELAND SECURITY AND THE FAA PROJECT....IT WAS BS. IT WAS ABOUT THE FAA BILL THAT THE TEAMSTERS ARE TRYING TO STICK US WITH! THE WOMAN WAS A TEAMSTER! SHE WASN'T ON THE UPS PAYROLL AT ALL, SHE WASN'T IN THE DIRECTORY! THE UPS PEOPLE BACKED RIGHT OFF! SEE BELOW FOR STORY;


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: intimidation; teamsters; unionthug; ups
FedEx Corporation (NYSE: FDX) may have been part of the reason for the rally late today that took markets into positive territory. Headlines hit late in the day on the Dow Jones broad tape from Senate Commerce Committee Chairman John D. Rockefeller, a Democrat, saying that the proposed legislation that would make it easier for FedEx workers to unionize has no chance of passing in Congress. This is an issue we have followed for some time. United Parcel Service, Inc. (NYSE: UPS) is mostly unionized and is the number one competitor for FedEx. If these workers in aviation and trucking are placed under the National Labor Relations Act, it would then be on the same ground (no pun intended) as UPS.

Some have maintained that if those workers are allowed to unionize that the cost would be thousands of dollars per employee per month. Those costs are not necessarily just out-of-pocket costs based upon the potential of higher wages and higher benefits, but include the opportunity cost of less business per employee. It is a safe bet that calculations vary greatly from source to source.

There is a risk of jobs cuts at stake and there is the issue of a per-employee cost… An article from Scripps in 2009 noted, “Thousands of FedEx’s 290,000 employees would be affected and some analysts say the company’s expenses would increase 30 percent as a result of unionization.”

The silver lining for shareholders is the dividend implications if this labor issue is resolved. We noted after the dividend was just raised that FedEx’s dividend could stand to be greatly raised. Then FedEx will need to catch up to UPS in its dividend. At the time of the hike, FedEx’s dividend yield was brought to about 0.62% versus nearly 3% for shareholders of rival UPS.

Taking either side of the argument for or against unions is a tricky case. Management wants things the way they are now. A union often demands more for labor. Anyhow, you know the arguments on each side. As far as how things turned out with the stock being the judge… FedEx shares closed up $0.04 at $78.11, but they were down at the lows of the day at $77.13 around the time that the comments made by Rockefeller hit the tape.

If you ask why FedEx might have been part of reason for the rally rationale… It is rather simple, even if the argument does not want to be heard by many. When unions have one big win, the belief on the capital side of the labor versus capital equation has the belief that other big union fights will then appear elsewhere. And one big loss from one of America’s top employers, that in turn might calm some fears that more unions fights will arise rapidly.

Read more: FedEx, The Union-Buster? (FDX, UPS) - 24/7 Wall St. http://247wallst.com/2010/06/17/fedex-the-union-buster-fdx-ups/#ixzz0zYanK0dd

1 posted on 09/14/2010 6:35:05 PM PDT by jessduntno
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: jessduntno

I won’t willingly use UPS anymore because of the union and poor service.


2 posted on 09/14/2010 6:38:36 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jessduntno

Very interesting.
Several other options to think of:
It could be a pretty aggressive skip tracer getting information on the business or someone else in it.

Corporate espionage. It is more common than you realize.

A freak with delusions.

You’ll probably have the best instincts based on your business.


3 posted on 09/14/2010 6:38:41 PM PDT by mnehring
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jessduntno

Legal Action ?


4 posted on 09/14/2010 6:38:44 PM PDT by onona (dbada)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jessduntno

bump


5 posted on 09/14/2010 6:40:51 PM PDT by tutstar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jessduntno

290,000 monthly union dues has the labor thugs drooling.

Its all about money and power. Workers are just a minor annoyance.


6 posted on 09/14/2010 6:42:26 PM PDT by hgro (Jerry Riversdun)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: hgro

And the Teamsters have the CWA which can strangle the US if they want to.


7 posted on 09/14/2010 6:46:31 PM PDT by oldtimer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: driftdiver
I always use FedEx because their service is faster and cheaper, but didn't know it was because of the UNIONIZATION of UPS. UNIONS are destroying this country now, ESPECIALLY with the infiltration of the government by SEIU, AFSCME, etc. which takes taxdollars and funnels them to the Dem's, who keep FORCING Union labor into government contract "bids". It's flagrant and so out of hand that Unionized companies CANNOT compete with free enterprise that is openly non-union.

Just as I would never buy from Obama-Motors, I will look for the Union Label, then buy an alternative. I don't care if it's an import; it's an import because the Unions priced the product domestically produced out of the market with their extortion.

8 posted on 09/14/2010 6:46:58 PM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: jessduntno

If you have the woman’s name - call the cops, press trespassing charges.


9 posted on 09/14/2010 6:48:19 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (TV News is an oxymoron. MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mnehring

FedEx, The Union-Buster? (FDX, UPS)
Posted: June 17, 2010 at 4:39 pm

FedEx Corporation (NYSE: FDX) may have been part of the reason for the rally late today that took markets into positive territory. Headlines hit late in the day on the Dow Jones broad tape from Senate Commerce Committee Chairman John D. Rockefeller, a Democrat, saying that the proposed legislation that would make it easier for FedEx workers to unionize has no chance of passing in Congress.This is an issue we have followed for some time. United Parcel Service, Inc. (NYSE: UPS) is mostly unionized and is the number one competitor for FedEx. If these workers in aviation and trucking are placed under the National Labor Relations Act, it would then be on the same ground (no pun intended) as UPS.

Some have maintained that if those workers are allowed to unionize that the cost would be thousands of dollars per employee per month. Those costs are not necessarily just out-of-pocket costs based upon the potential of higher wages and higher benefits, but include the opportunity cost of less business per employee. It is a safe bet that calculations vary greatly from source to source.

There is a risk of jobs cuts at stake and there is the issue of a per-employee cost… An article from Scripps in 2009 noted, “Thousands of FedEx’s 290,000 employees would be affected and some analysts say the company’s expenses would increase 30 percent as a result of unionization.”

The silver lining for shareholders is the dividend implications if this labor issue is resolved. We noted after the dividend was just raised that FedEx’s dividend could stand to be greatly raised. Then FedEx will need to catch up to UPS in its dividend. At the time of the hike, FedEx’s dividend yield was brought to about 0.62% versus nearly 3% for shareholders of rival UPS.

Taking either side of the argument for or against unions is a tricky case. Management wants things the way they are now. A union often demands more for labor. Anyhow, you know the arguments on each side. As far as how things turned out with the stock being the judge… FedEx shares closed up $0.04 at $78.11, but they were down at the lows of the day at $77.13 around the time that the comments made by Rockefeller hit the tape.

If you ask why FedEx might have been part of reason for the rally rationale… It is rather simple, even if the argument does not want to be heard by many. When unions have one big win, the belief on the capital side of the labor versus capital equation has the belief that other big union fights will then appear elsewhere. And one big loss from one of America’s top employers, that in turn might calm some fears that more unions fights will arise rapidly. - JON C. OGG

Read more: FedEx, The Union-Buster? (FDX, UPS) - 24/7 Wall St. http://247wallst.com/2010/06/17/fedex-the-union-buster-fdx-ups/#ixzz0zYg8HLaN


10 posted on 09/14/2010 6:52:40 PM PDT by jessduntno (The Victory Mosque will be built over our dead bodies over our dead bodies ...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: onona

Legal Action ?

Possibly..


11 posted on 09/14/2010 6:53:37 PM PDT by jessduntno (The Victory Mosque will be built over our dead bodies over our dead bodies ...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: traditional1

I mostly use Fed-Ex especially when its important. The post office is cheaper sometimes.

I never use UPS except for online purchases and only then when the website has no other alternative. I didn’t even realize they were union until about a year ago. They are pushing all kinds of union agendas.

Unions ruined another good company.


12 posted on 09/14/2010 6:54:14 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: traditional1

I will be going out of my way to ship by FedEx now. It seems like USPS has doubled in cost the past couple years and UPS and FedEx always seemed a bit more even to me.

Nevertheless, boycott union.


13 posted on 09/14/2010 6:54:22 PM PDT by sbMKE
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: driftdiver

I agree FedEx service is better than Brown’s. I have received my share of broken and re-sealed boxes from them. While a shipment via FedEx arrives in perfect condition. Problem is, most times orders from suppliers on the internet are shipped by Brown. You don’t have a say in the matter. And you pay through the nose. I had ordered an item weighing one-fifth of a pound from a supplier in New York State. The shipping charge was $8.95 UPS Ground and took a full week to arrive. The same item could have been placed in the U.S. mail, first class, in a small envelope for around a dollar, and would have reached me in three days. When I called the supplier to complain, they told me they were not set up to mail items at the post office and that everything they shipped was handled by contract through Brown.


14 posted on 09/14/2010 6:58:32 PM PDT by 4Runner
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: jessduntno

BUMP!! That damn union thug, invading
your private business with her demands !!

So this is all about trying to unionize
Fedex .. and UPS, whom you use, is already
unionized? Then, I still don’t get the
reason she’d harrass you (but I’ve yet
to eat dinner, so my brain is not working
at warp speed).

Excuse my dipity dumbness right now...;).


15 posted on 09/14/2010 7:00:58 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jessduntno

You may want to send this story to the folks over at BigGovernment.com


16 posted on 09/14/2010 7:01:42 PM PDT by Falcon28 (Allen West - 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jessduntno

Good luck and Godspeed. Keep us posted if you have a mind to. We are behind you 100%.


17 posted on 09/14/2010 7:03:27 PM PDT by onona (dbada)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: STARWISE

See Post #10 (after dinner) and it explains it. They (UPS) haven’t given up. I speculate that they don’t want the questionnaire out there because there is something in it that Fefex might like to see.


18 posted on 09/14/2010 7:03:49 PM PDT by jessduntno (The Victory Mosque will be built over our dead bodies over our dead bodies ...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: STARWISE

See Post #10 (after dinner) and it explains it. They (UPS) haven’t given up. I speculate that they don’t want the questionnaire out there because there is something in it that Fefex might like to see.


19 posted on 09/14/2010 7:03:54 PM PDT by jessduntno (The Victory Mosque will be built over our dead bodies over our dead bodies ...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: driftdiver

I didn’t know UPS was a union outfit either. Sad, I like my UPS Store box. It is the address I give for just about everything and most of the junk mail goes there.


20 posted on 09/14/2010 7:04:24 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: All
I was in the business for 24 years. There is two sides to a story. I was a pro-business Teamster. There are Dirty companies and Good companies. There are Dirty unions( I hated when they tell me who to vote for) and good unions.

Fred Smith "bribes" and lends out Leisure planes to politicians. Just look it up.

Full timers who worked 40 hours are dropped to 35 hours so there are no full time requirements. He is a "louse". He plays games all the time with workers.

I personally had my shipping dropbox moved because Fred Smith had a hissy fit because ours was next to his dropbox in the Long Island Marriot near the Islanders Colisiuem in NY. He is a "bum".

21 posted on 09/14/2010 7:04:36 PM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: driftdiver

Our subdivision has had the same UPS driver on the same route for years. I was once told by him that he is regularly invited by single female homeowners in the area to park his truck in their driveway and take a swim in their swimming pool to cool off. This is why delivery is sometimes delayed or the packages are dropped off at the latest part of the shift! Once, this same driver walked all the way through our garage to knock on the kitchen door trying to deliver a package, when he could have very easily just left it at the front door. I told him I didn’t want him walking through our garage because if he tripped or fell on anything he could sue us and I didn’t want a lawsuit from him. And besides he was trespassing on private property. I have never had anything like that happen with a FedEx driver. They are always prompt, courteous and professional.


22 posted on 09/14/2010 7:12:30 PM PDT by 4Runner
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: jessduntno
Headlines hit late in the day on the Dow Jones broad tape from Senate Commerce Committee Chairman John D. Rockefeller, a Democrat, saying that the proposed legislation that would make it easier for FedEx workers to unionize has no chance of passing in Congress.

When a democRat says something ain't going to happen, watch for the slight of hand. Probably they want to draw interest away from the brown bailout.

23 posted on 09/14/2010 7:13:26 PM PDT by disclaimer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: 4Runner

Growing up UPS was great. They aren’t the same company anymore.


24 posted on 09/14/2010 7:33:35 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: jessduntno

If the lady said she was working with DHS under false pretenses call the Joint Intake Center, 1-877-2INTAKE (1-877-246-8253.) They take complaints about bad agents, so I would imagine they can help you with people pretending to be working with in support of the government.


25 posted on 09/14/2010 7:36:03 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 4Runner

When you sign an agreement or request pick-up service with some companies, you often give them authority to areas not open to the public.

Also, when working as a temp for UPS I walked through all kinds of doors and gates without being questioned. I even walked out on a flight line to deliver a package to a mechanic without any alarm raised by security.

I would review any agreement you have with UPS. I would also request the person who entered your business return with a supervisor to apologize and offer ID for your security files.


26 posted on 09/14/2010 7:37:14 PM PDT by maine yankee
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: 4Runner

The shipping charge was $8.95 UPS Ground

sorry but the shipping and handling charges are added by the shipper......never mind what UPS charged them, you pay the inflated S&H charges and THEY keep the money. If they offer you a buy one, get one free offer, guess what, they charge S&H on the free item too.....could have put them both in the same envelope, but then they’d have lost the $9.95 in shipping charges....don’t blame Brown for this rip off


27 posted on 09/14/2010 7:37:58 PM PDT by terycarl (interested and informed)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: jessduntno

Thanks for the update.


28 posted on 09/14/2010 7:40:33 PM PDT by Vicki (Washington State where anyone can vote .... illegals, non-residents, dead people, dogs, felons)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: sbMKE
It seems like USPS has doubled in cost the past couple years

and still can't turn a profit....

29 posted on 09/14/2010 7:43:54 PM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: johngrace

ARe you saying that FedEx cuts employees to 35 hours to avoid paying benefits? Or am I misunderstanding your post?

The reason I ask - I know several local FedEx employees who work 35 hours per week, but get full benefits (very attractive benefits at that!).


30 posted on 09/14/2010 7:46:11 PM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: jessduntno
He tried to point out to her that she had just walked through a door that was pretty clearly marked as for employees only and she waved that off and produced a business card that said she was a UPS Representative.

Firmly grasp her by the back of the neck with the left hand, and the seat of the pants with the right and throw her ass out. End of problem.

31 posted on 09/14/2010 7:52:26 PM PDT by org.whodat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: driftdiver

The 1997 Teamsters Strike - Brownbailout.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3Yew3GCSlQ&feature=player_embedded


32 posted on 09/14/2010 8:04:08 PM PDT by jessduntno (The Victory Mosque will be built over our dead bodies over our dead bodies ...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: TheBattman
It's been a while but the ones who came over to our company figured it out. I do not know the details now. But when I bump into some old friends I will ask. Try to get back. This though I know they will reduce hours instead of lay-off but that person has to quit. Why they need full time not part time pay. Fedex use to have no lay-offs but instead it was reduced hours. Fedex would brag about it. No Layoffs. A joke.

Also notice how younger the Fedex driver is compared to other companies. As you get older your discourged by them. Not too many get to be an older age. They find a way to fire or tell them they should quit. This is known in the industry. At least in the Ny Tristate area. I am talking express. Now they have owner operators on ground deliveries which was the old RPS GROUND(orange and tan? trucks in the ninties). FEDEX took over in 1998. My friend's truck colors changed. It is whatever age the driver because it is bought Route. If your willing to buy age doesn't matter. Wow! You helped scratch my memory banks. LOL!

33 posted on 09/14/2010 8:30:05 PM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: TheBattman

Full time and part time employees at FedEx Express (not sure about the sister companies: Ground, Freight, Custom Critical, etc.) get the same benefit package. The guy you responded to has no clue what he’s talking about.


34 posted on 09/14/2010 8:37:38 PM PDT by brewcrew
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: 4Runner

They have a forced one hour lunch. He is doing it because he is off hours. I doubt your implications. I am not saying your wrong but sooner or later that guy would be fired. UPS runs a tight ship. I have friends who work there. They would laugh at him getting away outside time. You should hear the stories how tight a ship they run. Just saying my friend.


35 posted on 09/14/2010 8:39:48 PM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: jessduntno

UPS lost pretty much all their business with the state of Texas this year. Their contracts were not renewed because of their prices and intractability. We moved to Lone Star Overnight and saved more than half, packages get there overnight, and they actually respond to service issues. Getting rid of UPS was one of the best decisions the state made.


36 posted on 09/15/2010 5:06:05 AM PDT by tarawa
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson