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Tearful Fla. dad 'sorry' for storming school bus
Yahoo News ^ | September 21, 2010 | ANTONIO GONZALEZ

Posted on 09/21/2010 10:19:26 AM PDT by Gennie

LAKE MARY, Fla. – A Florida father wept as he apologized at a news conference for storming onto a school bus and threatening children onboard because his 13-year-old disabled daughter had been bullied. James Willie Jones' voice cracked during the appearance Tuesday. He said he himself was acting as a bully and no parent should copy his behavior. He says his daughter suffers from cerebral palsy and he "could not stand by and helplessly watch her suffer." Standing by his wife, who also wept, Jones apologized for how he handled the situation. Jones was charged last week with disorderly conduct and disturbing a school function for the Sept. 3 incident. He posted $2,000 bail and was ordered to stay away from the driver and county school buses.

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To: Melas

Doubt it. More likely their families will tell them to stay away from her, ‘cause her dad is psycho.
I know some people get a case of the vapors and faint dead away, at the idea of a Dad stopping a menace to his daughter. But i think it’s wonderful. We need more of that.

That was the norm in this country once,, things were better then.

And i think it’s funny, we always hear the ninnies whining that we need better fathers, especially in the black community. I think some people forgot what that sometimes means in reality! The classic angry dad. LOL


51 posted on 09/21/2010 10:51:39 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Gennie

The politically correct score another victory.

Do nothing administrators are protected again by the tought police.


52 posted on 09/21/2010 10:52:15 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Gennie

Kids are cruel. Their treatment of the disabled is akin to the Democrats’ of the unborn. It is sin in one of its more pure expressions. Shame on these kids, and God bless this dad.


53 posted on 09/21/2010 10:53:14 AM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Gennie
The man went to the 'authorities', the school, the bus driver.

They did nothing.

When the social institutions which have taken the position of authority fail to exercise that authority, it is only just that that authority be reclaimed from those who were given it and exercised by those who are agrieved in their appeals.

It is not a decision to be taken lightly.

This man was verbally defending his family, a child with special needs who was being bullied. God Bless Him. We need more like him, if for no other reason than to teach the bullies their actions might lead to consequences they will not like--before the stakes are raised and someone utilizes lethal force to defend those who are incapable of self-defense.

And as for all the 'authorities' who are excoriating him to cover their collective asses, they can rot.

'Family involvement' used to keep a damper on the BS.

54 posted on 09/21/2010 10:53:43 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: lionheart 247365

If only more black fathers (or sperm donors) cared about their children as this man obviously does.


55 posted on 09/21/2010 10:54:16 AM PDT by dfwgator (Rangers Magic Number - 6)
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To: Melas

I went back and revisited that thread from last week.

It went on for over a day. I saw your comments after I had left. Good for you.

Look. I understand the initial reaction that FReepers are having. The “knee-jerk” reactions to applaud that dad for kicking butt and so on.

But in the light of day - you just can’t do that.

I wonder how many of these FReeper parents would still have these same remarks if it were their kids on that bus (who had nothing to do with the bullying) and yet this man scared them half to death his his profane and violent threats?


56 posted on 09/21/2010 10:54:36 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

lol...If I recall you suspected the kids bullied her due to her fathers actions.


57 posted on 09/21/2010 10:55:23 AM PDT by fml
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To: Melas

If there is a next time,, he shouldn’t punch the kid. He ought to drag him off the bus and spank him in front of everyone.


58 posted on 09/21/2010 10:56:01 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Gennie

Awwww, did the poor widdle parents get mad because the Mean Daddy menaced their widdle pweciouses? Well, maybe those kids shouldn’t have been picking on a DISABLED girl!

I personally have no problem with what that Dad did. Those kids should have their butts beaten for taunting that girl.


59 posted on 09/21/2010 10:56:42 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Muslims are not the problem, the rest of the world is! /s)
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To: Melas
you are a heartless soul !
those monsters put a condom on a defenseless MS child's head !
60 posted on 09/21/2010 10:57:14 AM PDT by ncalburt (e)
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To: Melas

You support a state-sponsored, enforced and supported solution to a cultural problem.

That is sad in my opinion. You have your own different opinion.


61 posted on 09/21/2010 10:58:25 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Melas

He may have overstepped a bit (I couldn’t really discern the audio well), but I’m not a sue-happy person. Maybe if my kid was the cruel one - but isn’t that rich? As for my kid being innocent - go ahead, Dad!

My dad stormed onto our (nasty) neighbor’s property, right into their garage and “threatened” their kids and their friends, who loved torturing me there and at school. They were visibly scared. Then they had the nervous gaul to laughingly dismiss it on the bus the next day and call him “ugly”, etc, - but I saw their faces from our driveway. They were scared and didn’t say a thing to him. They need that respect drilled into them that their parents failed to do over 10 years.


62 posted on 09/21/2010 10:59:01 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“I wonder how many of these FReeper parents would still have these same remarks if it were their kids on that bus (who had nothing to do with the bullying)”

If they weren’y involved, they probably loved it. Because they couldn’t do what he did or they would be the next target. He protected more than his own kid.


63 posted on 09/21/2010 10:59:04 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: keats5
Folks these days apologize for doing the right thing, and take pride in doing the wrong thing.

How does that Bible verse go? "Woe be unto those who call evil good, and good evil" or some such?

64 posted on 09/21/2010 10:59:15 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Muslims are not the problem, the rest of the world is! /s)
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To: Frangibled
He did complain to the school with no action taken.

I can understand why he did it.

65 posted on 09/21/2010 10:59:27 AM PDT by fml
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To: UCANSEE2

Is your rationale for the charges to set precedent for future events or apply justice for the alleged violation?

This is certainly a serious situation and I’m not condoning the father’s response to his daughter’s story regarding abuse. On the other hand, I’m not inclined to slap the man down.

This case reminds of the one where the father punched a teacher on school grounds for allegedly molesting his underage daughter.


66 posted on 09/21/2010 11:00:15 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: fml

lol...If I recall you suspected the kids bullied her due to her fathers actions.

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Yeah. Sorta. I called the father into question because he had no self control.

Emotional, irrational, unstable people often raise children who are vicimized.

They man went to the school board? Maybe he carried on with them in the same manner he did on that school bus. If so, why should they pay him any mind?

I’m just speculating here. I am not stating any facts. I’m just saying....


67 posted on 09/21/2010 11:03:12 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: DesertRhino

“Because they couldn’t do what he did or they would be the next target.”

Rightfully so, because apparently they wouldn’t have any precipitating reason to storm the bus!

“He protected more than his own kid.”

Possibly so. At least to make the kid(s) more subdued. Of course, this “apology” travesty may erase all that and make it worse, at least for the bullied.


68 posted on 09/21/2010 11:03:28 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: DesertRhino

I’m not saying he should ignore it by any means. What I AM saying is that it take stories like this for me to stop and wonder what my daughter’s life would be life if we never had to deal with bullying. We have had to accept it just like we had to accept her disabilities. And it sucks.


69 posted on 09/21/2010 11:06:54 AM PDT by Badabing Badablonde (New to the internet? CLICK HERE)
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To: DesertRhino

“The bus driver stood by and did nothing.”

I don’t really blame the bus driver, as I think he’s in a no-win situation here. He’s white, driving a bus full of black kids. He knows that if he verbally confronts the troublemakers, his words won’t have any positive effect, and he’ll probably just be accused of racism by the unruly kids or their parents. He also knows that if he is more direct, and walks over to where the problem is taking place to try to establish order, it is very likely that he will be assaulted. He knows that if he is assaulted, he will have to take whatever they dish out, because if he raises a hand in his own defense, he will be accused of racism for striking a black kid, and will probably lose his job at a minimum, and possibly even be prosecuted.


70 posted on 09/21/2010 11:07:16 AM PDT by Texan Tory
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To: Responsibility2nd
Fair enough.
Since we're speculating I think when our children are concerned we sometimes can be pushed to a breaking point. That he gave an apology makes me suspect this is not in his nature and he uncharacteristally snapped.

A fathers love

71 posted on 09/21/2010 11:08:22 AM PDT by fml
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To: Gene Eric
This case reminds of the one where the father punched a teacher on school grounds for allegedly molesting his underage daughter.

Excellent example. You're talking about Dave Swafford who punched a teacher's aid because the girl said he had touched her inappropriately. Well guess what folks, this is why we have a court system. Turns out Dave's daughter wasn't particularly honest after all, and Dave assaulted a man who did no wrong. Acting on emotion like Dave did is never a good idea.

72 posted on 09/21/2010 11:09:13 AM PDT by Melas
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To: Gennie

He should sue the school system.


73 posted on 09/21/2010 11:10:31 AM PDT by Diggity
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To: fml
That he gave an apology makes me suspect this is not in his nature and he uncharacteristally snapped.

Makes me think his lawyer told him an apology would be a good idea, but I'm cynical like that.

74 posted on 09/21/2010 11:10:44 AM PDT by Melas
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To: Texan Tory; DesertRhino; ladyrustic
From the thread posted last week:
 
A school bus drivers perspective.
 

To: Responsibility2nd

“I wonder if the girl was the victim of bullies because her father has no self control?”

Wrong. She was the victim of bullies because there are almost always bullies allowed to run riot over other students on school buses. The administrations do very little or nothing about it- out of sight, out of mind, I guess.

Driver’s do their best, but a driver usually cannot stop bullying because, well, they’re busy driving and don’t know what is happening behind the seats in the back of the bus. Also, the roar of the engines prevents them from hearing anything the kids are saying to one another, unless they are yelling directly to her. And driver’s are not allowed to discipline kids, only to report their behavior.

I drove a school bus for 8 years, and was always very concerned about bullying and aggression, and I did everything within my power to prevent it. It ate me up to know that some of the sweetest little innocents were experiencing obscenities and bullying from jerks in the back, and most of the time I couldn’t see it.

But when I would report bullying to administration, the bully would receive a tiny “slap on the wrist.” I couldn’t even get the bullies kicked off the bus for a week.

The final straw came one afternoon as I sat loading students at the high school. The bus bully threatened, right in front of me, to “kill dead” another young teen whom she had already been bullying relentlessly for a month. (She had been punished for it too, although not nearly strongly enough). I ordered the bully to move to a front seat, to get her separated from the victim. The bully simply refused, repeatedly.

We hadn’t left the high school yet, so I called for administration’s assistance. Three administrators in succession came onto my bus and were unable to get this b**** to budge from her seat at the very back of the bus. If it had been up to me, my next step would have been to call her parents to drive to the school and get her off the bus themselves.

But no. By now 4 adults had instructed this girl to come forward, but when she still refused, the principal turned to me and whispered “Would you please just take her home and I’ll deal with this tomorrow?” My jaw must have dropped. The victim was stunned.

The principal, vice principal, and dean of students filed off the bus, and when I closed the door and pulled away from the curb, the roar of victory from the bully and her friends was deafening. I drove them all home with obscenities raining down on my head the entire way. That was it for me. I never drove a school bus again. The administration couldn’t understand why I had quit.

So I don’t blame that poor father in the video- he probably tried everything else and raving threats were all that remained to him. Oh, and be sure to notice how the kids are laughing out loud at him almost the entire time. They are not at all afraid of his impotent rage...

Sorry for the MASSIVE post. This really struck a nerve for me. I know just how he felt.

159 posted on Friday, September 17, 2010 3:23:23 PM by ladyrustic

Excellent comentary

75 posted on 09/21/2010 11:15:33 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: Melas

LOL...good lawyer, the weeping was inspired.


76 posted on 09/21/2010 11:20:27 AM PDT by fml
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To: DesertRhino

Well, only if he really wants to go to prison.


77 posted on 09/21/2010 11:25:45 AM PDT by Melas
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To: Responsibility2nd

FReepers have a long history of this. I searched but can’t find the original thread, but this has happened before. Dave Swafford assaulted a teacher’s aid in FL back in 2006 who allegedly molested his daughter, and certain FReepers were absolutely rabid in coming to the guys defense. He was a shining example of fatherhood, deserved a medal, blah, blah, blah.

A few months later Newsmax broke that his daughter and some friends had set the whole thing up. She just didn’t want to go to school anymore and thought that accusing this guy of touching her would convince dad to keep her home.

There are good reasons why our founders were so enamored of due process. Acting in the heat of the moment, and dishing out punishment without due process is a recipe for disaster.


78 posted on 09/21/2010 11:33:18 AM PDT by Melas
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To: Melas
“At least he’s remorseful. However, I still hope the judge throws the book at him. Adults shouldn’t be able to get away threatening to kill children, period, end of story.”

Under ordinary circumstances I would agree. However kids that bully a handicapped little girl deserve a taste of their own medicine at the very least. If the school had done its job and protected his daughter from her tormentors he wouldn't have had to take matters into his own hands.

Thankfully as you can see from all of the comments supporting the father both here and in the original article, most people aren't sticking up for the little bullies like you are. It gives me hope for society that apparently most people still have common sense enough to recognize who the real bad guys are in a situation like this. Since you seem to have difficulty, I will give you a hint. It is the bullies who terrorize a handicapped child, not the child's father who is trying to protect her.

79 posted on 09/21/2010 11:34:35 AM PDT by monday
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To: Melas
“At least he’s remorseful. However, I still hope the judge throws the book at him. Adults shouldn’t be able to get away threatening to kill children, period, end of story.”

Under ordinary circumstances I would agree. However kids that bully a handicapped little girl deserve a taste of their own medicine at the very least. If the school had done its job and protected his daughter from her tormentors he wouldn't have had to take matters into his own hands.

Thankfully as you can see from all of the comments supporting the father both here and in the original article, most people aren't sticking up for the little bullies like you are. It gives me hope for society that apparently most people still have common sense enough to recognize who the real bad guys are in a situation like this. Since you seem to have difficulty, I will give you a hint. It is the bullies who terrorize a handicapped child, not the child's father who is trying to protect her.

80 posted on 09/21/2010 11:34:49 AM PDT by monday
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To: Gennie

The only mistake he made was telegraphing his intentions—in public.

I saw the early video where some stupid cop was trying to justify their persecution of James Willie Jones. What twisting of logic!


81 posted on 09/21/2010 11:37:41 AM PDT by Strider2
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To: Gennie

I totally understand why the guy did what he did, and he shouldn’t have apologized imho.

The BUS driver who allowed the behavior ought to be the one apologizing. And the kids who did it and their parents.


82 posted on 09/21/2010 11:40:04 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: monday
most people aren't sticking up for the little bullies like you are.

Endeavor to be honest. I haven't mentioned the bullies or their actions in any way, let alone stood up for them.

It gives me hope for society that apparently most people still have common sense enough to recognize who the real bad guys are in a situation like this. Since you seem to have difficulty, I will give you a hint. It is the bullies who terrorize a handicapped child, not the child's father who is trying to protect her.

A simplistic view that presumes that if the bullies are bad guys than dad is a good guy. Which is of course a completely false dichotomy. Obviously, there are bullies here who are bad guys, and who need to be dealt with. Obviously, dear old dad crossed the line and became a bad guy who will be dealt with. Doesn't seem to be a shortage of bad guys in this scenario.

83 posted on 09/21/2010 11:44:21 AM PDT by Melas
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To: fml

Here’s the deal, we are seeing different reports. If you read just the link here on FR, nothing is said about contacting authorities. The local story says the father did not contact the school or anyone else. It does say the mother called the school one time. Link below.

The problem is poor reporting of the facts. I’m inclined to believe if the father could appear in person at the bus, he could appear in person at the school principal’s office. Knowing there was bullying and putting his daughter on the bus to be bullied isn’t a smart plan.

It is now a crime for one child to bully another. He scared a lot of kids on the bus who weren’t involved. And he got himself into trouble with the law. I believe this is one time the guy should have used the P.C. system to protect his daughter. Now his daughter’s been hospitalized, and will be going to a different school.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/092110-dad-who-stormed-bus-holds-news-conference


84 posted on 09/21/2010 11:45:24 AM PDT by Frangibled (Paranoia - Surest sign of sanity between 2008 and 2012)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Isaiah 5:20 (New International Version)

20 Woe to those who call evil good
and good evil,
who put darkness for light
and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
and sweet for bitter.


85 posted on 09/21/2010 11:56:55 AM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: Mr. K

I agree!


86 posted on 09/21/2010 12:04:16 PM PDT by ronniesgal ( I miss George Bush. Hell, I miss Bill Clinton!!)
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To: Frangibled
I was mistaken and certainly he or his wife should have gone to the school. While I think his was an overreaction I dont condemn itvand I vdon't think he should be facing any legal ramifications.

The others kids go an earful, thats all. It would not have an impact on me as parent

87 posted on 09/21/2010 12:06:57 PM PDT by fml
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To: fml

It would have impacted me as a parent though. Had my child been sitting on that bus and all this happened my initial response would have been to look at him and say “This was going on and you did nothing to help her?”

I have always told my kids that if someone else finds them at fault for doing something wrong that my wife and I will be the final determiner of punishment given. Had my kid been kicked off the bus for fighting a bully that was doing this to a helpless girl I would have driven him to school in pride.


88 posted on 09/21/2010 12:14:49 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Melas
The rotten ba$tard 13 yr. olds that are bullying her will most likely end up before a judge one day. 13 is old enough to know right from wrong. Their treatment of a handicapped child is malicious and unforgivable. If the children as you call them are capable of this they'll be capable of any evil.
89 posted on 09/21/2010 12:15:56 PM PDT by mimaw
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To: Responsibility2nd

“Oh, and be sure to notice how the kids are laughing out loud at him almost the entire time. They are not at all afraid of his impotent rage...”

EXACTLY as I mentioned right off; only you and I have.

I care little about what this man did, I admit, much because I know what it’s like to be “bullied” day in and day out for years on end. Although it’s still my sense of justice, too.


90 posted on 09/21/2010 12:16:59 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Gennie

Drop the charges,the man was unusually provoked to protect his daughter.


91 posted on 09/21/2010 12:18:13 PM PDT by linn37 ( "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: fml

Hey, no problem! The media is doing its usual poor job of reporting the facts.

I think the father should have thought out a better plan; but, when your child is threatened, you get emotional. I completely understand wanting to shake the little monsters by the scruff! But you can’t do that anymore.

Maybe it will all work out. Change of schools and drop the charges? Maybe everybody learns something in the process? Perhaps a serious discussion with the brats that caused this and their parents too! One can only hope!


92 posted on 09/21/2010 12:27:48 PM PDT by Frangibled (Paranoia - Surest sign of sanity between 2008 and 2012)
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To: Abathar

I’m with you, Abathar! Woe be to any child of mine that engaged in this sort of behavior. I’ll even go so far as to say that I would be disappointed and ashamed (and a little angry) if I even heard that my sons stood by and did nothing to protect this girl.

They’ve been raised better than that, I hope.

Regards,


93 posted on 09/21/2010 12:37:44 PM PDT by VermiciousKnid (Sic narro nos totus!)
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To: Abathar
Good point. I would have too.

If a kid brings this to his/her parents attention, there is only so much you can do if they fear the bullies too. Makes you wonder who the next victim will be.

94 posted on 09/21/2010 12:51:56 PM PDT by fml
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To: Frangibled
Perhaps a serious discussion with the brats that caused this and their parents too! One can only hope!

Public parental humiliation works for me

95 posted on 09/21/2010 12:59:31 PM PDT by fml
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To: Melas

That’s different. That was a situation where you don’t know the facts. Your (normal) kid tells you something and you just believe it - not a good thing. Also not a good thing for the FReepers to believe it right off.

Here we have a handicapped girl who is repeatedly subjected to taunting and teasing, undoubtedly observed directly by the father himself - it’s never just 1 incident. I doubt this girl has much ability to lie about such a thing, anyway. It’s pretty much slam-dunk this dad was assailing the correct people for doing something he actually knows about.


96 posted on 09/21/2010 2:00:38 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: fml
It was wrong to attempt to punish those boys on the bus.

They should have had the snot beaten out of them in a fine and private place by sturdy fellows close to their age. Their parents, ditto.

The legal term for this is "Death by Cousin from outa Town."

97 posted on 09/21/2010 2:02:21 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Revive The Poll Tax and Literacy Requirement for voter registration.)
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To: Frangibled

“He scared a lot of kids on the bus”

They were LAUGHING AT him. They weren’t “scared” (although I bet many were laughing nervously, trying to hide it - and trying to intimidate the dad right back by dismissing him).


98 posted on 09/21/2010 2:07:39 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Gennie

I’m betting those same kids will see this as Open Season. I’d love to see their parents being interviewed.


99 posted on 09/21/2010 2:09:36 PM PDT by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: Melas
“Obviously, there are bullies here who are bad guys, and who need to be dealt with.”

The problem is they are not dealt with. People refuse to discipline children anymore. The reason is adults are frightened of disciplining them because people like you will sue them, or get them fired, or worse. The generations of children raised by the idiotic hippies of the 60,s are the most neurotic, nihilistic, self entitled in history. They have no moral compass, and many grow up having no ordinary human compassion for others. They are monsters and the fault is the permissive child rearing methods of people like you that demand adults like this man be imprisoned for “yelling” at a bunch of brats that deserved it.

If this guy had waited for these bullies to be “dealt with” by school officials, his daughter might have committed suicide or been killed by her tormentors. It happens all too frequently these days.

100 posted on 09/22/2010 8:55:19 AM PDT by monday
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